04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

People who are not being safe:

Zack
El Barto
Insaner

People who are being rather safe:

Empoof
General Hankerchief
Monty
Logic

I'd not be super shocked if there was a wolf in the bottom two names in each of those lists.

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this is a novel enough way of making opening reads that it's probably villagy

also you implied I'm not a wolf so who even are you

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

People who are not being safe:

Zack
El Barto
Insaner

People who are being rather safe:

Empoof
General Hankerchief
Monty
Logic

I'd not be super shocked if there was a wolf in the bottom two names in each of those lists.

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could you elaborate on the bolded names and why they're positioned where they are specifically?

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Originally Posted by merl1n

i think you misunderstood

there have been new posts i just was refreshing page 1 when a second page had appeared without me noticing

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OH!

oh.

yeah that's a thing, pretty sure you can also increase the post per page if you want to. I didn't look for this site but it's common.

:rtwyes:

merlin
Insaner
Cuth
Empoof


:shrug:

Monty
choxorn
Logic
csargo


:rtwno:

gh
barto

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

:curtain:

dya
pzelda
fable
ladd
egix
newyn

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

this is a novel enough way of making opening reads that it's probably villagy

also you implied I'm not a wolf so who even are you

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can't start bussing you this early, i'm holding off so it'll be an even bigger stain on my reputation when i suddenly make the obvious switch a few days down the road

i've been reading back through the thread to try and view players through the proposed lens of safe or not safe

i think el barto has been talked ABOUT a lot but hasn't actually said or done anything himself that indicates safe or not safe. logic has one post and it's not actually game related i don't think?? i can't read any kind of safeness into it really to the degree that he is who i'd have picked out of players to comment on as s/no s

something i like to do in irl games is try and spot who is just making up things to sound impressive but aren't actually things that have basis. this might be one of those things

cuth should actually be in :shrug: tier

Is anyone else feeling a little LOST?

:lost:

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Originally Posted by merl1n

could you elaborate on the bolded names and why they're positioned where they are specifically?

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mm

i think it's clear enough

they fit in their respective categories and don't have things going for them like the people up at the top do

that said i certainly wasn't trying to imply that logic is wolfier than monty i'd never say anything like that in a thousand years

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

cuth should actually be in :shrug: tier

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wouldn't be a real game unless one of us is trying to kill the other, eh?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

mm

i think it's clear enough

they fit in their respective categories and don't have things going for them like the people up at the top do

that said i certainly wasn't trying to imply that logic is wolfier than monty i'd never say anything like that in a thousand years

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but how do they fit in those categories? what has logic done this game that feels safe to you, or what has el barto done that feels not safe? there's a lot of players that have been participating that aren't in either list, so what about those two jumped out as being worthy of inclusion?

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Originally Posted by Empoof

Is anyone else feeling a little LOST?

:lost:

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:knuddel:

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

:knuddel:

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:medievalcheers:

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Originally Posted by merl1n

but how do they fit in those categories? what has logic done this game that feels safe to you, or what has el barto done that feels not safe? there's a lot of players that have been participating that aren't in either list, so what about those two jumped out as being worthy of inclusion?

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so this is what me/cuth interactions look like from the outside

:square:

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

:rtwyes:

merlin
Insaner
Cuth
Empoof


:shrug:

Monty
choxorn
Logic
csargo


:rtwno:

gh
barto

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

:curtain:

dya
pzelda
fable
ladd
egix
newyn

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Zack-insaner banter interesting contrast to Zack-Jabbz banter (:curtain:), true elite if partners. I don't think they are partners.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

that said i certainly wasn't trying to imply that logic is wolfier than monty i'd never say anything like that in a thousand years

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:thinking:


Unrelated thoughts:

MU could easily have sprawling carnival-like games, like Capo or Khaan experimentals or Pirate Ship or Andres bloodbaths or any number of Large Org games. 30 players, 40 players, hell, go for the gold and make it 100. The player base is there. However, the only format that draws such numbers are those mashes that I've still not played in. Those last like a week with 50 players, and even so the post count exceeds 10K regularly. That's inhuman. The typical maximum game format on MU now allows for just 21 players, the old Org threshold for large games. For an example of the stifling effect, Zork recently tried to run a multiball setup with 40 players, but could barely exceed 1/4 signups before scrapping much of the design and doing a 15-er. Some people had even dropped when he added a post cap to the setup!

In conclusion, MU would be a new paradise of transcendent excess if an appropriate set of social engineering parameters could be formulated to force a lower post count. Capo IV quite possibly remains the Tower of Babel experience of Internet Mafia.

hey

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Originally Posted by ladd

hey

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~:wave:

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Zack-insaner banter interesting contrast to Zack-Jabbz banter (:curtain:), true elite if partners. I don't think they are partners.



:thinking:


Unrelated thoughts:

MU could easily have sprawling carnival-like games, like Capo or Khaan experimentals or Pirate Ship or Andres bloodbaths or any number of Large Org games. 30 players, 40 players, hell, go for the gold and make it 100. The player base is there. However, the only format that draws such numbers are those mashes that I've still not played in. Those last like a week with 50 players, and even so the post count exceeds 10K regularly. That's inhuman. The typical maximum game format on MU now allows for just 21 players, the old Org threshold for large games. For an example of the stifling effect, Zork recently tried to run a multiball setup with 40 players, but could barely exceed 1/4 signups before scrapping much of the design and doing a 15-er. Some people had even dropped when he added a post cap to the setup!

In conclusion, MU would be a new paradise of transcendent excess if an appropriate set of social engineering parameters could be formulated to force a lower post count. Capo IV quite possibly remains the Tower of Babel experience of Internet Mafia.

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i understood most of those words independently

seems like zack is a villager

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Originally Posted by ladd

seems like zack is a villager

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:smart:

@Logic why did you comment on the 1000 posts thing from Empoof out of what happened itt?

like even in that same post, he suspected El Barto but you decided to comment on something that had not muh to do with the game

curious if just read that post/had read all the thread but had no thoughts/didnt feel like posting thoughts/etc..?

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

:smart:

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seems

mostly cause I agree with ~everything you have said

and now this post will spare me the time of giving any other reads

empoof, would you consider yourself a cagey or cards-to-the-chest type of player?

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Originally Posted by Empoof

I like Zack

insaner indifferent, I agree with the words that they say (Zack barto push > GH barto push) but lacks some of the hutzpah I expect from them.

GH lean very slightly good but also feels like he might be trying a bit too hard.

Logic good for bad reasons.

Monty feels sorta offputting but I think it's a playstyle thing.

Merl1n baseline good.

:bow:

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I 1-posted.

However bad the reason(s), I'd like to hear them.

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Originally Posted by merl1n

empoof, would you consider yourself a cagey or cards-to-the-chest type of player?

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Usually no. I don't think Cuth's assessment of me is inaccurate though.

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Originally Posted by Logic

I 1-posted.

However bad the reason(s), I'd like to hear them.

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Sure keep reading :coffeenews:

vote: el barto

I assume no isos, right?

guess I'll do a throwback to the tos days and do it the hard wY

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

In conclusion, MU would be a new paradise of transcendent excess if an appropriate set of social engineering parameters could be formulated to force a lower post count. Capo IV quite possibly remains the Tower of Babel experience of Internet Mafia.

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Dude I'm going back to hosting biweekly light games (50 post maximum) and players that hyper spam sometimes join too.

Also I'm lowkey trying to start a light game competitive circuit so be on the look out.

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Originally Posted by ladd

I assume no isos, right?

guess I'll do a throwback to the tos days and do it the hard wY

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You can iso by clicking the reply number when sitting in the games room subforum

But it's donkey, yes.

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Originally Posted by Empoof

Dude I'm going back to hosting biweekly light games (50 post maximum) and players that hyper spam sometimes join too.

Also I'm lowkey trying to start a light game competitive circuit so be on the look out.

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I do not "hyper spam". It's called seeding the thread and it's elegantly cultural.

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Originally Posted by Empoof

I like Zack

insaner indifferent, I agree with the words that they say (Zack barto push > GH barto push) but lacks some of the hutzpah I expect from them.

GH lean very slightly good but also feels like he might be trying a bit too hard.

Logic good for bad reasons.

Monty feels sorta offputting but I think it's a playstyle thing.

Merl1n baseline good.

:bow:

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explain the gh read?

he seems a lot of things but trying too hard wasmt really one of themt

I re read pg. 1

guess he was trying and i kinda get the read now

dont really agree he was trying too hard though but shrug

also thanks for iso tip

zack n1 kill subbed

teammate el barto bussed

shaded empoof while weirdly defending my ither wolfmate gh

checklist of stuff to do is all done

I'll see you in 10 hours or so but if you need something @ me

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Vote: Egix

He is number 13 on the signup list, and as we all know, this is a sure sign of evil.

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Curses, foiled again :(


;)

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Originally Posted by ladd

explain the gh read?

he seems a lot of things but trying too hard wasmt really one of themt

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His commenting on the barto thing felt weird to me, his "oh boy here we go again" to Zack felt sorta fake.

by "trying a bit too hard" I more mean his normal mannerisms feel sorta funky and put on.

I feel kinda bad for that read tbh cause if he's town he's just doing his thing but it felt like I was watching a TV ad of GH.

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Originally Posted by ladd

zack n1 kill subbed

teammate el barto bussed

shaded empoof while weirdly defending my ither wolfmate gh

checklist of stuff to do is all done

I'll see you in 10 hours or so but if you need something @ me

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Aren't you supposed to wait another... 1496 posts before revealing your scum plans in the main thread?

Vote: ladd

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Originally Posted by Empoof

His commenting on the barto thing felt weird to me, his "oh boy here we go again" to Zack felt sorta fake.

by "trying a bit too hard" I more mean his normal mannerisms feel sorta funky and put on.

I feel kinda bad for that read tbh cause if he's town he's just doing his thing but it felt like I was watching a TV ad of GH.

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It felt to me like he saw a villager doing stuff and asking questions (insaner) and gave a townread on him without thinking about it much. Then was caught a bit off guard when a different villager (me) immediately disagreed and challenged him on it, and struggled to give a very compelling reason for the read.

I mean idk I famously wolfread gh early incorrectly all the time, but the way he didn't really engage with me on it and kinda just left is like... Classically how he interacts with me when he is a wolf.

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Originally Posted by Empoof

el barto
insaner
monty
logic

:book2:

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can you elaborate on this? you picked 4 names out of the 7 talked about. do you think they're bad/wolves?

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

It felt to me like he saw a villager doing stuff and asking questions (insaner) and gave a townread on him without thinking about it much. Then was caught a bit off guard when a different villager (me) immediately disagreed and challenged him on it, and struggled to give a very compelling reason for the read.

I mean idk I famously wolfread gh early incorrectly all the time, but the way he didn't really engage with me on it and kinda just left is like... Classically how he interacts with me when he is a wolf.

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so he's a villager? xD

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

It felt to me like he saw a villager doing stuff and asking questions (insaner) and gave a townread on him without thinking about it much. Then was caught a bit off guard when a different villager (me) immediately disagreed and challenged him on it, and struggled to give a very compelling reason for the read.

I mean idk I famously wolfread gh early incorrectly all the time, but the way he didn't really engage with me on it and kinda just left is like... Classically how he interacts with me when he is a wolf.

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If we put both our reads together we have him dead to rights.

We should hammer him before he becomes too villagery.

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Originally Posted by merl1n

can you elaborate on this? you picked 4 names out of the 7 talked about. do you think they're bad/wolves?

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Nah, I just put the names that he said contain a wolf in one spot.

Mostly showing how attentive I can be, with insane reading comprehension skills.

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Originally Posted by merl1n

so he's a villager? xD

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if he is indeed a villager, I pretty consistently get there by the end of day 1, so I'm not too worried about it atm.

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Originally Posted by Empoof

Nah, I just put the names that he said contain a wolf in one spot.

Mostly showing how attentive I can be, with insane reading comprehension skills.

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oh, okay

i was suspicious because you had the post about logic being good for bad reasons and then listed him in those names and i was like STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM

wdy think about the safe/not safe groupings and my thoughts on it?

ladd,

what convinced you so much on barto?

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

if he is indeed a villager, I pretty consistently get there by the end of day 1, so I'm not too worried about it atm.

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i'm missing context/history but it sounds like you're saying you read him really well but also really poorly, historically, and the confidence in reading him feels a little wonky given

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I mean idk I famously wolfread gh early incorrectly all the time, but the way he didn't really engage with me on it and kinda just left is like... Classically how he interacts with me when he is a wolf.

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that you read him incorrectly all the time, yet have this confidence in saying this is how he acts when he is a wolf. i'm not doing so good with the explaining thing, it just feels jarring/inconsistent in my head

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Originally Posted by merl1n

i'm missing context/history but it sounds like you're saying you read him really well but also really poorly, historically, and the confidence in reading him feels a little wonky given



that you read him incorrectly all the time, yet have this confidence in saying this is how he acts when he is a wolf. i'm not doing so good with the explaining thing, it just feels jarring/inconsistent in my head

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when i say "early" I mean specifically early d1, but I usually will recognize he is a villager if he is one by the end of day 1

does that make sense?

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Originally Posted by merl1n

oh, okay

i was suspicious because you had the post about logic being good for bad reasons and then listed him in those names and i was like STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM

wdy think about the safe/not safe groupings and my thoughts on it?

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At a baseline I agree with Zack that the thought to put people into safe/not safe groupings is probably villagery.

I thought you responded rather inquisitively, and it's possible he made it up but I think he didn't. I can sorta see ways that make cuth put those people into each category. I'm just trying to not put too much stock into it as a whole and see how Cuth develops.

Going to bed pretty soon.

Been listening to Jungle all day, watching those choreography videos are so cool. Idk how I haven't heard of these guys before, they have millions of views lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mva_EluErSA

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

when i say "early" I mean specifically early d1, but I usually will recognize he is a villager if he is one by the end of day 1

does that make sense?

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i guess i can see the distinction. i'm used to just kind of picking someone and killing them on d1 without a ton of room for changing reads. once we lynch someone and can use our night actions then there's more to talk about

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Originally Posted by merl1n

i guess i can see the distinction. i'm used to just kind of picking someone and killing them on d1 without a ton of room for changing reads. once we lynch someone and can use our night actions then there's more to talk about

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as I'm sure you will discover, my reads can be pretty fluid, hell just look at my insaner read this game for proof of that

I also prefaced it because it's something of a meme; I don't actually think I'm bad at reading GH, there was just a bad stretch of games awhile back (and I'd argue there were good reasons for the misread, and I also believe that I have learned how to read him better from those experiences anyhow). There have also been games where I read him quite well. There are some people who I just don't understand the way they behave and don't know how to read them, but GH isn't abnormally inscrutable or irrational or chaotic so I don't think of him that way.

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And to be clear, I think he also exaggerates the extent to which he misreads me. There are plenty of games where he read me fine.

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Originally Posted by ladd

I assume no isos, right?

guess I'll do a throwback to the tos days and do it the hard wY

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Nah, you have to use the "Who Posted?" Feature instead
Battery's gettin low so gonna switch devices

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

as I'm sure you will discover, my reads can be pretty fluid, hell just look at my insaner read this game for proof of that

I also prefaced it because it's something of a meme; I don't actually think I'm bad at reading GH, there was just a bad stretch of games awhile back (and I'd argue there were good reasons for the misread, and I also believe that I have learned how to read him better from those experiences anyhow). There have also been games where I read him quite well. There are some people who I just don't understand the way they behave and don't know how to read them, but GH isn't abnormally inscrutable or irrational or chaotic so I don't think of him that way.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And to be clear, I think he also exaggerates the extent to which he misreads me. There are plenty of games where he read me fine.

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there are some other things too but

1) I'd like to hold those cards a little closer to my chest
2) this is getting a bit ridiculous for the stage of the game we are in. it's just my current read on him and it could easily change before the day is over

I'm out for the night, want to give an updated readslist before I head out. spoilered for size

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

37-10

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

ladd,

what convinced you so much on barto?

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wpuldnt really say I am that convinced

just think he was tge wolfiest early on

I agree with your read there and his early phone post just looked like a read wolves know they are making on a villa (insaner) so hold themselves back and put it out there more as information than actually something they wanna push

:candle:
Merl1n
Zack

:beatnik:
Ladd
Logic (lol)
Cuth

:sweatdrop:
Insaner
Monty

:pop2:
GH
Empoof

:boxing:
Barto


While it's generally a village -> town list I think the smileys I chose represent my feelings pretty well.

Also if Zack is still alive on Day 3 I'll tinfoil him

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Originally Posted by Empoof

:candle:
Merl1n
Zack

:beatnik:
Ladd
Logic (lol)
Cuth

:sweatdrop:
Insaner
Monty

:pop2:
GH
Empoof

:boxing:
Barto


While it's generally a village -> town list I think the smileys I chose represent my feelings pretty well.

Also if Zack is still alive on Day 3 I'll tinfoil him

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are u one of those ppl who jokingly calls themselves bad when bad to feel like you're getting one over on ppl when they read you as good anyways?

also just to clarify - I had the barto read before I read your posts on him, zack

you calling him out as well was one of the thing that made me think you are villagery

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Originally Posted by merl1n

are u one of those ppl who jokingly calls themselves bad when bad to feel like you're getting one over on ppl when they read you as good anyways?

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It's NAI

I'd argue that I'm cheekier about it when I'm town, but that's just, like, my opinion man

for those paying attention i am now doing the fabled "saying he leaves but doesnt leave" villa tell

adjust your reads list accordingly

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Originally Posted by ladd

for those paying attention i am now doing the fabled "saying he leaves but doesnt leave" villa tell

adjust your reads list accordingly

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I used to do small things like that when I was wolfing to get random town points.

Worked like a charm.

I'm gonna be in and out tomorrow, lots to do.

Night.

i guess i think empoof is good, though my senses are a little tingly, and not the fun kind of tingly

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Originally Posted by ladd

for those paying attention i am now doing the fabled "saying he leaves but doesnt leave" villa tell

adjust your reads list accordingly

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*Anime goo goo eyes* Oh look at you you're so town!
On a more serious note, I dislike that you felt the need to state this yourself rather than letting people come to that conclusion naturally.

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Originally Posted by Empoof

Usually no. I don't think Cuth's assessment of me is inaccurate though.

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it makes me happy that you agree that you're a villagery person playing safely

?

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Originally Posted by Egix

*Anime goo goo eyes* Oh look at you you're so town!
On a more serious note, I dislike that you felt the need to state this yourself rather than letting people come to that conclusion naturally.

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yes

but would I post somthing that wolfy if I was indeed a wolf

makes you think

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Originally Posted by ladd

I assume no isos, right?

guess I'll do a throwback to the tos days and do it the hard wY

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Originally Posted by Empoof

You can iso by clicking the reply number when sitting in the games room subforum

But it's donkey, yes.

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You can also do it by clicking Search Thread at the top of a page -> Advanced Search, and there's an option in the Advanced Search screen to search the thread by username.

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Originally Posted by ladd

yes

but would I post somthing that wolfy if I was indeed a wolf

makes you think

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Knowing you, you probably would tbh

Hi,

Last time I played here I got every single read wrong so you should probably not listen to anything I say unless it helps you push your agenda.

Also, day 1 is clearly absolutely useless so can I get a free pass for today?

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Originally Posted by Newyn

Also, day 1 is clearly absolutely useless so can I get a free pass for today?

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No.

Unvote, Vote: Newyn

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

No.

Unvote, Vote: Newyn

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What if I said please?

Still no.

In that case, I have a night 0 red check on Choxorn because cops that can check whoever they want night 0 is 100% fair :rolleyes:

Vote: Choxorn

https://media1.tenor.com/images/246b...8ed4/tenor.gif

Are you town?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

People who are not being safe:

Zack
El Barto
Insaner

People who are being rather safe:

Empoof
General Hankerchief
Monty
Logic

I'd not be super shocked if there was a wolf in the bottom two names in each of those lists.

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

this is a novel enough way of making opening reads that it's probably villagy

also you implied I'm not a wolf so who even are you

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I never town read people for being novel. I think the wolves are more likely to feel like they need to impress other people by doing something cool. Moreover, Cuth doesn't actually make anything out of his method here. He just says "ah there can be wolves in both tiers, lol idk why I even posted that." It feels like busywork to me.

Choxorn confirmed to be frozen wolf.
Good night.

I am now caught up and I have surprisingly little to say. But merlin is a firm town read now, we can lock him in bois. I also didn't like ladd very much - I don't think he added anything new and unique but instead sheeped the consensus wolf read Barto when I don't think Barto was that wolfy to warrant this much suspicion from everyone. I don't think he was villagery at all since I don't recall him posting any reads really but that isn't what everybody is sussing him for. Egix's comment on ladd's LAMIST post was villagery. I also think that Newyrm is acting like a brazen villager but it's not a strong read.

I lowkey think Barto might be spewed by all those wolfy people going after him.

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Originally Posted by Insaner

I lowkey think Barto might be spewed by all those wolfy people going after him.

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like who?

except me since I am a villager