Re: Pornography: Evil or alright?
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Originally Posted by dgb
She wasn't victimized later on because she happened to like it.
ok, so it wasn't victimization then.
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The extrapolation is that htere would be those who did not like, and then they are the ones who are victimized.
i don't understand what you are referring to though; what is the potential victimization (i mean can you give me an example)? why is it contingent upon the participant enjoying it? lots of people don't enjoy their jobs, does that make them victims? i mean, i hated my first job way back moping floors.. was i being victimized by safeway? if so, can i sue them??? ~D
Re: Pornography: Evil or alright?
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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
You also can no longer have bondage and sex in the same scene or beastiality. At least here in NY.
New York without beastiality?
That's like London without fog.
Re: Pornography: Evil or alright?
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Originally Posted by Dîn-Heru
So as long as it shows one or more concenting adults on equal terms, I do not see anything wrong with it.
Well, we should sit when we pee too huh...... ~D
Re: Pornography: Evil or alright?
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Originally Posted by Big_John
i don't understand what you are referring to though; what is the potential victimization (i mean can you give me an example)? why is it contingent upon the participant enjoying it? lots of people don't enjoy their jobs, does that make them victims? i mean, i hated my first job way back moping floors.. was i being victimized by safeway? if so, can i sue them??? ~D
But you came to them didn't you? They didn't realise you were a isolated young kid who they could persuade/trick into doing things which you may very well not want to do did they?
The victimisation occurs when they take someone who is obviously isolated, and in trouble and use that as a lever to get them into the erotic business.
Re: Pornography: Evil or alright?
well, you make it sound like an abduction dgb. i don't share this belief. undoubtedly, there may be some people that felt as if they had no prospects in life, and were approached by pornographers offering them a way to make more money than they were used to. i think it's more than a stretch to call this victimization.
for one thing, what exactly is being taken from such a person? it's not as if they're being robbed or raped. they're being paid. if they don't like what they're doing, they can stop, afaik. if they choose to use that pay to support a drug habit, or to buy a gun and blow their brains out.. they are victims of themselves, their own choices, not the porn industry.
are they being taken advantage of in some sense? maybe, depends on the person i guess. but how does this differ from any occupation? is anyone who settles for some shit job because they don't feel like they can do anything else a victim?
i have a hard time buying this idea that someone is being "tricked" into having sex on camera when they really don't want to do this. they may regret it later, sure, and they may have been in a vulnerable emotional state when they agreed to get paid for it. imo, this is not a victim of anyone but themselves and their own shortcomings. maybe it's just a difference of definition.
Re: Pornography: Evil or alright?
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I agree with the rape part, but what's wrong with the submissive female scenario?
I wrote inferior in parentaces (sp?) because I was not sure if submissive was the right word to use, because what I was thinking about was the notion that women do not want to have sex and are subject to the will of a man.
If a female chooses to be submissive, then by all means congratulations to you.
As for the equal terms, I meant that all involved are free to choose the level of submisivness/assertiveness.
Personally, I just don't like to see women treated like pieces of meat, although I am probably quilty of thinking like this at times as well.
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Well, we should sit when we pee too huh......
(For the serious reply look above.)
Well that depends too, if you have a very, how shall we put it, strongminded woman who dislike you missing bowl, then it would probably be a good idea for you to sit. But other than that I see no reason to change our ways, unless you have very poor aim... ~;)
Re: Pornography: Evil or alright?
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Originally Posted by Dîn-Heru
Personally, I just don't like to see women treated like pieces of meat, although I am probably quilty of thinking like this at times as well.
Well you don't just treat them like a piece of meat, you treat them like filet mignon; a very expensive, top of the line, delicious piece of meat.
I constantly tell my sweetie she's Prime Rib.
(And she constantly tells me I'm an idiot.)
