Conservative Club XIV

They're not fat, just big-boned.

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Remember. The leftist liberals are nothing more than wallpaper and decorations in our illustrious club.

Fear not.

But where are our fellow Conservatives? HAs the Org really bent this far to the left?

Hee Heee hee. Don't skured of the pressssssss.

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Originally Posted by Eclectic

Define what Conservatism means for you and how you came to choose Conservatism over that of Leftist Liberalism.

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Well, I was raised conservative for the most part (my dad being one of those right-wing riff-raff types, according to my mom). I'm also naturally conservative, "small c." Change without a good reason is not a good thing, and a respect for tradition is healthy, as long as the tradition in question isn't obviously wrong. Applying that to politics I'm pro-small-government, actually pro-1783-America except for the whole slavery and women can't vote part.

Gentlemen this is a PG site as such they violate that rule.

The babe thread was made for (less explicit) posts so people who post from work know they can safely surf the rest of the Org without having to see those posts (work, family etc).

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Well. That was fun for a day.

Even the costume got removed. :laugh4:

Hmmmm. Okay, well.

PUSSY PARTY!!!

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And here is a wet one:

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Main Entry: 1pussy
Pronunciation: 'pu-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural puss·ies
Etymology: 1puss
1 : CAT
2 : a catkin of the pussy willow

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You should include the movie clip on CNN's web site now, about the one which survived an encounter with a tree chipper. Luckiest darn pussy on the planet! :wink:

I'm passing on a letter Andrew Sullivan just published. It does a very good job of summarizing how the word "conservative" has been bent and twisted until it is worse than meaningless in the U.S.

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I don't consider you a conservative anymore either, for the same reasons I don't consider myself one anymore. In this day, in this country, to be a conservative is to buy into a program of relativism and deconstructionism (scientific knowledge in evolution and climate science is just one "perspective" or is totally unreliable because scientists are a bunch of liberals and science is just a political agenda). To be a conservative is to believe that good government rests on the personal character and godliness of an unshackled executive, not on the time-tested processes and institutions of democracy. To be a conservative is to let your worst enemies dictate your moral values. To be a conservative is to believe that insufficiently conservative judges are enemies of America and should be eliminated or marginalized as illegitimate.

Above all, to be a conservative is to use the power of the government to Christianize Americans and the US government to the greatest extent possible.

Andrew, today liberals are the better defenders of the enlightenment. Conservatives are the enemies of the enlightenment. So you want to cut entitlements? Pardon my French, but big f***ing deal. You want to cut entitlements because you have weighed the evidence of their effectiveness and found it lacking. You're still part of the democratic machine and you still respect democratic reasoning.

Conservatives aren't as quaintly obsessed with evidence and balancing costs and benefits as you are. They want to cut benefits on principle, no matter what. They want to slash taxes as a first principle, expensive wars and basic human decency be damned. They are not rational decision makers in the sense that they distinguish between effective and ineffective programs. The slash taxes, period - no thinking required.

And - this isn't a minor point - they don't actually cut entitlements. They expand them. So there goes that argument.

My choice - and yours - is to join up with a reality-based community that trusts expertise, democratic processes, and established institutions and makes fact-based decisions (these days called liberals), or to join up with a community of relativistic mystics who are not open to reason or persuasion, distrust democracy, reject standards of behavior because they believe themselves to be inherently godly, and have no use for traditional democratic institutions. These tradition-despising relativistic mystics we call conservatives.

Andrew, you and I have much more in common with the liberals. Because they're more conservative.

I understand the difficulty in understsanding the actions of the Republican Party. And I agree with much of what has been written, if only in essence.

You see, there are some who have expressed themsleves as Christian under the banner of Conservatism, and Conservative under the banner of Christiandom. The truth is that those who use Christianity itself as a political tool are ultimately going to betray their principles as conservatives.

Under the guise of Christianity, some Republicans take actions that are unacceptable to the majority. Thus it becomes a tyranny of the minority.

However, Democrats are much much more dangerous to the United Sates system of Capitalism and personal property rights. Remember, it was leftist-inspired interpretation (By a Republican-controlled Supreme Court, if you consider Souter a Republican of course) of the constituion that led to the New London decision, destroying the right to private property in the United States. And it was liberal (loose, broad, sweeping, and speculative) interpretation of the constituion over years that has ultimately raped states of their sovereign rights and created a one-state nation under the commerce clause-supremacy clause combination.

This is not THE REPUBLICAN club. It's the Conservative Club. You don't have to be a right-wing fascist Christian Extremist to believe that the government that governs least governs best, or that power distributed is power accountable.

The problem is the Republican Party has elements who believe in a variety of applications of conservatism. That is something I am willing to accept.

The alternative is far far worse. The Democrats blatantly and clearly wish to consolidate power into the hands of very few while slowly implementing a leftist-leaning economy.


What is liberalism to me? Liberalism is bending the rules to fit your agenda. Liberals change the law or interpret the law in order to allow for behavior or activity that would otherwsie be unconstituional, unethical, and/or illegal.

Liberal judges free criminals and overturn rulings on bizzare merits. Liberal legislators seek as much power for the government as they possibly can, and when they are unable to, they then turn to the courts to expand their power.

Social conservatives are frustrated because this country's daughters are turning into whores because of the permissive culture. Feminism has destroyed the right of a mother to just be a mother and be proud of that. No, now women have to lawyers or Doctors or something else to matter, accoring to the feminazis. Don't get me wrong, I believe that women are the intelectual equal of men, and hold every bit as much ability and talent. But now a woman cannot even self-respect herself if she chooses to be a moral support for the family system. Thanks to liberals, women are required to do just a few activities in order to succeed in society: Screw or act like a man.

It's bull. And look at our kids. Nobody dates or considers the character of another person. They "hook up". Hell even I did it before I was married. Screw first, date later. And it's a frickin crying shame. And how are parents supposed to control their kids? Kids have no respect for the parents who work their butts off to care for 'em. But what can the parents do? NOT A DAMN THING. Thanks to the damn liberals who have screwed it up for all of us. I'm not advocating abuse by any means, but hell, at least a man could teach his boy a lesson once upon a time. Nowadays, some little whiney brat gets slapped by mom, and all the liberal feminazis call the cops.

And what about freedom of speech? Nowadays, you have to be so politically correct you can't even give an honest opinion with out people getting all whiney about racisim or sexism. For christ's sake, I'm not interested in tearing people down; I want to build them up and watch 'em stand on their own two feet with personal responsibility.

And that's the bottom line right there. Personal responsibility. At the end of the day, the Conservatives of all stripes within the Republican party agree that human beings have the right and obligation of personal responsibility. That just is not the case with leftist liberals who refuse to acnkowledge that people are responsible for their owv actions. In the view of the liberal, the government is ultimately responsible for everyone else. "The government knows best".

I believe in the natural ability of the human being to prosper and thrive. I trust people to do the right thing. I count on families, individuals, and parents to make the right choice for themselves and their families. And that's why I can stick to my guns in a leftist-leaning forum like this; in a culture corrupted by MTV, urban gang rap, and instant gratification.

I can't count on the Democrats to preserve these values. So I will do what I have to do, and fight within the party choice that I have in order preserve the values of conservatism against its enemies.

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Look, you can't call for less restrictions on business, less taxes, less government power, while at the same time calling for peoples' social actions, thoughts, and expressions to be limited. It is not morally reconciliable at all.

It is perfectly fine to be disgusted with modern culture, but as someone who has grown up in it I can tell you most people grow out of it. It's no different than your culture was to your parents. Trying to put restrictions on culture and expression, however gross those things may be, is a far, far more fundamentally "lefty" thing to do, for it requires a government invasion into not just businesses, but private lives.

Along those lines, however, I think parents should be allowed to spank their kids and enforce stronger punishments to avert these morally questionable acts. An intrusion into the family is as bad as an intrustion into culture.

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hey woah woah woah. I'm not saying we should BAN anything or outlaw it. I'm saying that our culture is degrading because the ability of our parents to be parents has been neutered. I'm saying that our social values have been destoryed because teachers are afraid of students. It is NOT the responsibility of the government to criminalize this behavior. But yet the liberals think it is the governments responsibility to raise our kids. "It takes a village", my arse.

De-criminalize pot for all I care. But parents should have the ability to teach and control theri kids.

Nowadays parents have two options: verbal compliance, or law enforcement.

That is IT.

edit: And what's more, think abvout who restricts behavior: Conservatives? NOPE. That's right its the liberals who have made it miserable for a female to be a female. It is the liberal who keep the black man down so he can stand on his back for a podium. It is the liberal who inhibits your ability to speak by calling it "offensive". Since when was offensive equal to criminal, damnnit?

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

Lemur has violated the fat chick non-proliferation treaty! I put forth a motion to put sanctions on the people of Lemur.

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i second the motion

may i also suggest the sanction involve having to flannel bath the ladies in the pics he posted

eww. I finally read this to the end and I wish I hadn't. :no:

TRAGEDY STRIKES THE SOUTH

The Honorable Mr. Strike For The South, of the Texas Alliance Currently confused by the leftist liberal machine. Favors Palestinian terrorists to Israeli Democracy and voted "left" on which side one swings. :shame: Of Course, he had never really said "Aye" to entrance either. I am sure the leftists shall welcome you. Surely our beloved Texas cannot. You will be missed.

I heretofore call forth a vote to determine proper action. Shall SFTS be deemed a youthful hippy, corrupted by the influences of Music Television, Marijuana, and Org leftists? :laugh4:

I dont watch the MTV (to much negro jumparound) and dont smoke teh weed. Not to mention Texas is a state of free thinkers. If the org leftsits want a youthful hippy Ill give one of me boys. He did acid this weekend and talked to Hendrix in black & white. Now he is a hippy:dizzy2: Last but not least not only am I the smartest nicest and funniest member on this borad I am also the best looking, Yall cant survive without me. Yall all a buch of Cheneys and Im the McCain:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Eclectic

Social conservatives are frustrated because this country's daughters are turning into whores because of the permissive culture. Feminism has destroyed the right of a mother to just be a mother and be proud of that. No, now women have to lawyers or Doctors or something else to matter, accoring to the feminazis. Don't get me wrong, I believe that women are the intelectual equal of men, and hold every bit as much ability and talent. But now a woman cannot even self-respect herself if she chooses to be a moral support for the family system. Thanks to liberals, women are required to do just a few activities in order to succeed in society: Screw or act like a man.

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Shoot your TV then. TV and movies are the main platforms to our mostly crap popular culture. If you want your little girl growing to be a mother and be a good wife one day then teach her those values by example yourself, and don't allow her "friends" and TV to influence her.

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Originally Posted by Eclectic

It's bull. And look at our kids. Nobody dates or considers the character of another person.

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That says a lot about the character of BOTH the people hooking up. I don't think this is anything new though. I think it is more worrysome today only because it is flaunted on TV.

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Originally Posted by Eclectic

And what about freedom of speech? Nowadays, you have to be so politically correct you can't even give an honest opinion with out people getting all whiney about racisim or sexism. For christ's sake, I'm not interested in tearing people down; I want to build them up and watch 'em stand on their own two feet with personal responsibility.

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I think there is a lot of brainwashing going on on both sides of the fence. I can't say there is a solution to this though. It is well known that the majority of people will always be douchbags.

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That just is not the case with leftist liberals who refuse to acnkowledge that people are responsible for their owv actions.

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Well you can't have much personal responsibility when you are drugs, can you?

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I believe in the natural ability of the human being to prosper and thrive. I trust people to do the right thing.

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LOl.

for your Conservative edification:

who's making what at the white house

and the 4 most overpaid:
Deborah Nirmala Misir Ethics Advisor $114,688
Erica M. Dornburg Ethics Advisor $100,547
Stuart Baker Director for Lessons Learned $106,641
Melissa M. Carson Director of Fact Checking $46,500

yes, there really is a Lessons Learned dept.

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Originally Posted by solypsist

for your Conservative edification:

who's making what at the white house

and the 4 most overpaid:
Deborah Nirmala Misir Ethics Advisor $114,688
Erica M. Dornburg Ethics Advisor $100,547
Stuart Baker Director for Lessons Learned $106,641
Melissa M. Carson Director of Fact Checking $46,500

yes, there really is a Lessons Learned dept.

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And what is your complaint? That the Bush Administration has organized a group of experts who can analyze organizational decision making in mid-to-executive levels for the purpose of improving efficieny? We have this in the military too. Is your problem with the pay? Unless you sit at their desk and do their job, I really don't think you have a leg to stand on. Those uneducated in executive level analysis or management have no understanding of the complexity involved. As a graduate student myself, I thought I knew it all when I had just a high school education. Once I got my BA, I started to really realize that how little I know. Now I realize I don't know squat. The more I learn, the more it occurs to me just how much more there is to learn.

calm down. im not complaining nor am i "invading" your little thread. just posting something i found interesting. relax.

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Originally Posted by Eclectic

And what is your complaint? That the Bush Administration has organized a group of experts who can analyze organizational decision making in mid-to-executive levels for the purpose of improving efficieny? We have this in the military too. Is your problem with the pay? Unless you sit at their desk and do their job, I really don't think you have a leg to stand on. Those uneducated in executive level analysis or management have no understanding of the complexity involved. As a graduate student myself, I thought I knew it all when I had just a high school education. Once I got my BA, I started to really realize that how little I know. Now I realize I don't know squat. The more I learn, the more it occurs to me just how much more there is to learn.

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Sadly, text communication fails to present the mood of the author. I'm good. No anger here. Just commenting on the comment.

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Originally Posted by solypsist

for your Conservative edification:

who's making what at the white house

and the 4 most overpaid:
Deborah Nirmala Misir Ethics Advisor $114,688
Erica M. Dornburg Ethics Advisor $100,547
Stuart Baker Director for Lessons Learned $106,641
Melissa M. Carson Director of Fact Checking $46,500

yes, there really is a Lessons Learned dept.

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I'm a low level peon in government service and those salaries seem right. I think you're forgetting the cost of living adjustment here. By their pay I'm guessing the first three are in their early to late 40's with several years experience.

How much do members of congress make? They also get the free perks associated with their job. These people are at the top of the government, how much do you think they should make?

Same with DivE, no animosity here. Some of your comments I find wacky but this is good information. It's just the analysis that's off. How does this relate to conservativism?

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

I'm a low level peon in government service and those salaries seem right. I think you're forgetting the cost of living adjustment here. By their pay I'm guessing the first three are in their early to late 40's with several years experience.

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I think you were missing the irony...

In less it was a lessons learned joke I don't think so. Maybe it was a Bush as a conservative joke, or perhaps the irony of government employees earning below market value salaries. Hmm, no? :stupido2:

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Originally Posted by Eclectic

I understand the difficulty in understsanding the actions of the Republican Party. And I agree with much of what has been written, if only in essence.

You see, there are some who have expressed themsleves as Christian under the banner of Conservatism, and Conservative under the banner of Christiandom. The truth is that those who use Christianity itself as a political tool are ultimately going to betray their principles as conservatives.

Under the guise of Christianity, some Republicans take actions that are unacceptable to the majority. Thus it becomes a tyranny of the minority.

However, Democrats are much much more dangerous to the United Sates system of Capitalism and personal property rights. Remember, it was leftist-inspired interpretation (By a Republican-controlled Supreme Court, if you consider Souter a Republican of course) of the constituion that led to the New London decision, destroying the right to private property in the United States. And it was liberal (loose, broad, sweeping, and speculative) interpretation of the constituion over years that has ultimately raped states of their sovereign rights and created a one-state nation under the commerce clause-supremacy clause combination.

This is not THE REPUBLICAN club. It's the Conservative Club. You don't have to be a right-wing fascist Christian Extremist to believe that the government that governs least governs best, or that power distributed is power accountable.

The problem is the Republican Party has elements who believe in a variety of applications of conservatism. That is something I am willing to accept.

The alternative is far far worse. The Democrats blatantly and clearly wish to consolidate power into the hands of very few while slowly implementing a leftist-leaning economy.


What is liberalism to me? Liberalism is bending the rules to fit your agenda. Liberals change the law or interpret the law in order to allow for behavior or activity that would otherwsie be unconstituional, unethical, and/or illegal.

Liberal judges free criminals and overturn rulings on bizzare merits. Liberal legislators seek as much power for the government as they possibly can, and when they are unable to, they then turn to the courts to expand their power.

Social conservatives are frustrated because this country's daughters are turning into whores because of the permissive culture. Feminism has destroyed the right of a mother to just be a mother and be proud of that. No, now women have to lawyers or Doctors or something else to matter, accoring to the feminazis. Don't get me wrong, I believe that women are the intelectual equal of men, and hold every bit as much ability and talent. But now a woman cannot even self-respect herself if she chooses to be a moral support for the family system. Thanks to liberals, women are required to do just a few activities in order to succeed in society: Screw or act like a man.

It's bull. And look at our kids. Nobody dates or considers the character of another person. They "hook up". Hell even I did it before I was married. Screw first, date later. And it's a frickin crying shame. And how are parents supposed to control their kids? Kids have no respect for the parents who work their butts off to care for 'em. But what can the parents do? NOT A DAMN THING. Thanks to the damn liberals who have screwed it up for all of us. I'm not advocating abuse by any means, but hell, at least a man could teach his boy a lesson once upon a time. Nowadays, some little whiney brat gets slapped by mom, and all the liberal feminazis call the cops.

And what about freedom of speech? Nowadays, you have to be so politically correct you can't even give an honest opinion with out people getting all whiney about racisim or sexism. For christ's sake, I'm not interested in tearing people down; I want to build them up and watch 'em stand on their own two feet with personal responsibility.

And that's the bottom line right there. Personal responsibility. At the end of the day, the Conservatives of all stripes within the Republican party agree that human beings have the right and obligation of personal responsibility. That just is not the case with leftist liberals who refuse to acnkowledge that people are responsible for their owv actions. In the view of the liberal, the government is ultimately responsible for everyone else. "The government knows best".

I believe in the natural ability of the human being to prosper and thrive. I trust people to do the right thing. I count on families, individuals, and parents to make the right choice for themselves and their families. And that's why I can stick to my guns in a leftist-leaning forum like this; in a culture corrupted by MTV, urban gang rap, and instant gratification.

I can't count on the Democrats to preserve these values. So I will do what I have to do, and fight within the party choice that I have in order preserve the values of conservatism against its enemies.

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Your thoughts are like a bucket of chum. Vaguley recongizable shapes and forms but on the whole something I'd rather use as bait than nourishment.

This could be because of a lack of familiarity on my part or because of your unique view.

Celebrate your uniqueness! ~:cheers:

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Originally Posted by whyidie

Your thoughts are like a bucket of chum. Vaguley recongizable shapes and forms but on the whole something I'd rather use as bait than nourishment.

This could be because of a lack of familiarity on my part or because of your unique view.

Celebrate your uniqueness! ~:cheers:

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Welcome to the backroom.

Ditto. He'll fit right in. :2thumbsup: :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by whyidie

Your thoughts are like a bucket of chum. Vaguley recongizable shapes and forms but on the whole something I'd rather use as bait than nourishment.

This could be because of a lack of familiarity on my part or because of your unique view.

Celebrate your uniqueness! ~:cheers:

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Ha ha! You said "Chum." That's a funny word... Chum. :laugh4:

Welcome to the backroom, sir, an abode of drunks, extremists and misfits. I hope you brought your baseball bat, helmet, and bottle of tequila.

See, the conservatives bring guns instead of a baseball bat. But only because we're outnumbered. ~;p

Thank you for the warm welcome gentlemen!

The colors a bit off but please accept these as a gesture of good will:

:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

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Thank you for the warm welcome gentlemen!

The colors a bit off but please accept these as a gesture of good will:

:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

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Puppet perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Eclectic

Puppet perhaps?

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Closest the forum had to this guy...although I suspect quite a few of the Conservative Club members aren't too fond of him either.

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HEY!

Pape: Sorry as much as I like the picture. All pics of that nature are now confined to the babe thread.

:director: WAKE UP!

There's a "Hunk" thread back here... where are you guys?!