Tokens of My Confection [Concluded]

that last post was in response to novice...

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I kept being told over and over by my townies that this is normal for Scarlett. No one helped me lynch her.

I still don't trust her. Push her and find out what I do with my vote.

I'm the one who called her out on every single scummy thing she did on day one. Rather than blame me for why she's not dead yet, either follow me, or help me lynch a different scum.

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Elaborate on this, you seem to be fixated on this point and I don't remember it sticking out in my mind.

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Originally Posted by Dp101

You are correct, compared to last game I am definitely not playing as well. I think this is mostly due to 2 factors, although neither entirely excuse my behaviour. Firstly, I've kind of been really stressed in my home and academic life for most of this game, and as such I have found it much harder to concentrate on this game and to have the motivation to push people. Secondly, as I mentioned earlier, I tend to be a reactive player, I'm pretty bad at making a case out of nothing and mostly only respond to what is happening in the game. In the Futurama game, I was lucky in that I found something that seemed odd to me early on, which ended up making the game get serious faster, giving me a lot more to work with. In this game, not only do we have a much lower general activity level, but I also haven't managed to find that many statements that I disagree with, and in addition the NKs/flips haven't told us much, so I don't post much because there isn't much to reply to. I don't think it's a good thing that I seem to be incapable of taking the initiative and making cases out of a null town, but I can only talk about the patterns I see in my behaviour, not change those patterns.

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This post is wolfy.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Elaborate on this, you seem to be fixated on this point and I don't remember it sticking out in my mind.

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First issue was here:

Post 102

Followed by my response in 107 and hers in 110.

Don't agree with the read here.

There's no process behind it, so I followed up on that and she responded with nonsequiturs here.

117 didn't help matters.

AtE here.

Odd reaction to pressure here. Specifically, the vote was during the "joke vote" phase, and says is neutral lean but then claims it wasn't a joke vote.

Zack read Aria town and I disagreed here, stated why.

I summarized all of the above here.

So now I'm asking town Scarlett Aria if she's in there again about her process.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

If you're under suspicion and you're a townie, just explain your process better.

Show me how you went from A to B on people.

Tell me why people are townies or scums, just having a read doesn't tell me what you're doing.

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Then here's a really in-depth post about why that process is exactly backward. If you read nothing else, read this post.

Although honestly you should read the entire interaction between me and Scarlett Aria that began in 102 and leads here.

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Originally Posted by BSmith

I don’t. All things considered I’d probably do it again. But now that we know he was innocent, taking a closer look at the voting patterns makes sense. Most everything else is still just random noise to me.

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Then why was it significant that Zack was tied with GH when Scarlett voted?

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Originally Posted by BSmith

I’m willing to go with vote: Scarlett Aria for this vote. It was tied between GH and Zack at this point, and nearing the deadline. Aside from the GH-Zack negotiations and eventual self-preservation votes, this is the vote that materially enabled the Zack lynch.

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The very, very short version is this:

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I'm expecting a no reason / joke thing to be null, and I'm expecting reasons to find his behavior or his vote peculiar to not be paired with an unvote.

It seems backward. Do you get what I mean?

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If you have no reason for your vote for someone and it's a joke, it shouldn't be paired with reasons. That's odd.

But worse, stating those reasons and then hard unvoting when pressure picks up on Scarlett. That's flinchy, not villagery.

You don't vote someone for no reasons, then unvote them and give reasons for your vote. It's backward.

I'm not going to just sit here and harp on Scarlett though.

I would like people to push Dp101 with votes.

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Originally Posted by Riedquat

I do not have reads! I only have gut feelings... yesterday I did find odd three different players were focusing on El Barto, and perhaps they were seeing something I failed to see, considering khaan had a watcher ability and voted him yesterday I said he is a really good candidate for lynch.

Pizza is pizza so I will be always wary of him, and every one pretending to read pizza is also a good candidate, newyn saying his drop in activity is a sign of scum when less than a month ago in futuramafia we had an hyperactive scum pizza is odd at best...

Dp101 is mostly townie but I agree he is not the same townie that played in the other game. Not idea about the rest...

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Riedquat is not giving off townie vibes here. It's a blend of consensus and neutrality.

Ried, if I'm wrong you need to get in the game more. Give me more solid reads on the people I'm suspecting with reasons.

Back them up with reasons why I'm wrong if you think so. Put some more skin into things.

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Originally Posted by novice

Then why was it significant that Zack was tied with GH when Scarlett voted?

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Because Scarlet tipped the scales towards Zack, who we know now is innocent. The big implication here is that she is "saving" GH. I'm not outright calling GH scum here, but it is an angle that should at least be unpacked.

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Originally Posted by BSmith

Because Scarlet tipped the scales towards Zack, who we know now is innocent. The big implication here is that she is "saving" GH. I'm not outright calling GH scum here, but it is an angle that should at least be unpacked.

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I think this is likely.

A GH/Scarlet team?

I am certainly willing to unpack it.

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Originally Posted by BSmith

A GH/Scarlet team?

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It's possible. It's also possible the vote moved and it's unrelated to GH's alignment. But they're each on my radar on an individual basis.

I am willing to consider teams but there's a danger in that. We have not seen the flips yet, and it's very manipulable beforehand.

But I'll go on record and say this is very plausible from where I sit.

I think I like it too.

The way I see it Cuth made a bad case on Zack and his wagon caught enough steam that scum took the opportunity to lynch a player who could later prove unlynchable. GH could be scum but it's coincidental. The reasons given for voting Zack are more interesting.

Novice, is your vote staying where it is, or will it migrate soon?

I came in today thinking I'd be pushing Pizza because I didn't think he cared enough about the game, but I'm doing a 180 now lol. This is good stuff.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

I came in today thinking I'd be pushing Pizza because I didn't think he cared enough about the game, but I'm doing a 180 now lol. This is good stuff.

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I don't, really. I'm putting in the effort but I want to walk away from this after I've done my job.

I'll be in a better mood in the coming days about playing any game.

Sooh, you were one of the earliest people to look at Scarlett. Are you still in?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Novice, is your vote staying where it is, or will it migrate soon?

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I'm not too happy about how she so quickly became the consensus candidate. I will consolidate on her if nothing changes, but not yet.

GH, what are you doing right now.

I know for a fact you don't really respond to pressure. But where are you this game?

Walk me through what you're doing to solve for town. I'm not seeing it.

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Originally Posted by novice

I'm not too happy about how she so quickly became the consensus candidate. I will consolidate on her if nothing changes, but not yet.

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Where are you on GH? your posts seem to indicate you're willing to go there.

Are you hesitant because BSmith is also pushing that line? Ignore that if so, what's the individual read.

Getting the lay of the land.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Getting the lay of the land.

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The land was manufactured by IKEA. So, if that's your contribution today, the cfd will be on you, chaos chaos chaos.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Where are you on GH? your posts seem to indicate you're willing to go there.

Are you hesitant because BSmith is also pushing that line? Ignore that if so, what's the individual read.

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He's flown under my radar a bit but hasn't struck me as scummy nor towny. Let me do an ISO now that I'm at my computer.

Ignoring BSmith, a Scarlett/GH pairing makes sense.

Unofficial tally as of post 594:

Lynch votes
3 votes: Scarlett Aria (Newyn, Askthepizzaguy, BSmith)
1 votes: El Barto (Riedquat)
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (Scarlett Aria)
1 votes: BSmith (novice)

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Originally Posted by Newyn

Cuthillius

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El Barto

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Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria

Al Sipsclar

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Newyn

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Originally Posted by novice

BSmith

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Originally Posted by Newyn

Scarlett Aria

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Scarlett Aria

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Originally Posted by BSmith

Scarlett Aria

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

The land was manufactured by IKEA. So, if that's your contribution today, the cfd will be on you, chaos chaos chaos.

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What is this statement supposed to accomplish?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

What is this statement supposed to accomplish?

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If you want me to vote you again today, keep doing what you're doing. It looks exactly like your scummy d1 of Ikea mafia.

What was IKEA mafia?

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Originally Posted by Dp101

What was IKEA mafia?

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GH scum on day one, got a wagon on him, defended his lack of scum hunting as it's day one, scum hunting doesn't work.

It is day 3 in this game and he's not doing anything.

There's still a day left in the day, so I'm looking forward to him demonstrating that I'm not good at catching him out of the blue repeatedly and then letting him go for no real reason.