Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

baudib, i haven't had a lot to say on your posts because by and large they seem reasonable enough to me and when someone consistently has posts that i keep liking they are (usually) a villager

not sure i have much experience with you in normal games, so its v possible you're just having a good wolf game, but you haven't really done anything i've thought was actively wolfy

perhaps a blind spot i should revisit but im tired as hell and going to bed lol

ladd, who are the two wolfiest players then?

i think your wolfiest post baudib was at sod2 when you said the lolwolves stuff, very pogwolfesque to play that stuff up at sod as a wolf but outside of that your posts seem fine

there was some other stuff i wanted to reply to but ill do that tomorrow

Thoughts on Yoloswag Visor?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Visor

ladd, who are the two wolfiest players then?

---

i am not sure tbh, lots of people just haven't done enough for me to have a confident read on them. even yolo/eph i was cool with having them in the lean villa range (esp yolo) but they have not done enough for me to call them villager now on d3

again maybe lolme but i don't find ender wolfy at all. hk is wolfy obviously...i am still not super convinced he is a wolf but he is def wolfy. but then you have ender villa read on HK and i am like ???

dya i think is villa and ik they are busy but i wish they'd be around more so i can lock in a read and not worry about it anymore

rask again i am never touching. baudib is prob villa

i am struggling to get there on you villa as well. idr vibe on you feeling so confident on hk/ender being wolves when that's p much never the team imo (i mean easy of me to say when odds are in my favour but still it doesnt fit for a bunch of reasons)

syn i think is prob a villager? at least from wisdom being n1ed and general FEELING on gamestate

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Thoughts on Yoloswag Visor?

---

meh

posts aren't bad or anything just hard to really get much out of them

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ladd

i am not sure tbh, lots of people just haven't done enough for me to have a confident read on them. even yolo/eph i was cool with having them in the lean villa range (esp yolo) but they have not done enough for me to call them villager now on d3

again maybe lolme but i don't find ender wolfy at all. hk is wolfy obviously...i am still not super convinced he is a wolf but he is def wolfy. but then you have ender villa read on HK and i am like ???

dya i think is villa and ik they are busy but i wish they'd be around more so i can lock in a read and not worry about it anymore

rask again i am never touching. baudib is prob villa

i am struggling to get there on you villa as well. idr vibe on you feeling so confident on hk/ender being wolves when that's p much never the team imo (i mean easy of me to say when odds are in my favour but still it doesnt fit for a bunch of reasons)

syn i think is prob a villager? at least from wisdom being n1ed and general FEELING on gamestate

---

i dont get why you are struggling to get there on me tbh

its very possible hk/ender aren't the team i'll concede that, but i do think they are the two wolfiest posters itg and v likely contain a wolf

lets say hkatt is a wolf, who looks most partnered with him knowing we had w/w wagons for a lot of d1?

i agree with most of your reads on a general level though (idc about wisdom nk but i do think syn has been villagery for him, etc)

to me, knowing whether there are 0/1/2 wolves in ender/hk is v important considering i am pretty much townreading most of the rest

nl
rask

ladd

baudib
syn

dya

eph
yolo

hkatt
ender

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Visor

i dont get why you are struggling to get there on me tbh

---

https://media.giphy.com/media/jPAdK8Nfzzwt2/giphy.gif

Quote:

---

lets say hkatt is a wolf, who looks most partnered with him knowing we had w/w wagons for a lot of d1?

---

i think dya/syn are easily ~clear if HK is a wolf

i don't think ender is with HK because if you read zelda/hk/ender isos from d1 from the PoV that's the wolf team it doesnt make much sense to me? even if I ignore everything else, just for zelda's "ender is only a wolf if HK is a wolf comment" - i don't think it's in zelda wheelhouse to make that comment as w/w/w

baudib not a wolf, rask not a wolf

so that'd leave me with you/eph/yolo for 2nd wolf i think

otoh if ender is a wolf:

syn/dya/hk are still ~clear from that flip imo

rask/baudib still not wolves (tho in this scenario there is probably a chance baudib is a wolf, i just don't think he is one)

i dont think you are a wolf with ender

so this time i am left with eph/yolo i think

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Visor

to me, knowing whether there are 0/1/2 wolves in ender/hk is v important considering i am pretty much townreading most of the rest

nl
rask

ladd

baudib
syn

dya

eph
yolo

hkatt
ender

---

why do you think ender is a wolf again?

I want to elim between hk and ender today. I just need to decide which I find wolfier. Gut feels say HK but I need to look at some posts to see if it's warranted

fwiw, my daughter turned 1 this weekend and my in laws are in town. I haven't had a ton of time to be in thread

Rask - i think it's weird you're so preoccupied with my logic push from d1 when I looked at the flips d2 and said I was pretty sure he was a villa? Like why are you not considering that part of the equation?

I do think w!Yolo is not with Ladd/Visor fwiw (just checked again how the wagon formed):

I voted there, Visor pushed him without voting (he did vote him several times l8r). Ladd did the next irl day, then Wisdom posted one wolf in Ladd/Logic/pzelda. Yolo immediatly voted him without much of an explanation (don't recall him talking about pzelda before too, need to check).

dunno, it's just feel like a bus to me ("pzelda can survive Rask/Visor push maybe, but not if Ladd/Wisdom joins, lfg") :shrug:

I'd expect Visor's bus earlier if you are wondering why not him but Yolo yes. 3rd vote is a good time to do it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dyachei

I want to elim between hk and ender today. I just need to decide which I find wolfier. Gut feels say HK but I need to look at some posts to see if it's warranted

fwiw, my daughter turned 1 this weekend and my in laws are in town. I haven't had a ton of time to be in thread

Rask - i think it's weird you're so preoccupied with my logic push from d1 when I looked at the flips d2 and said I was pretty sure he was a villa? Like why are you not considering that part of the equation?

---

I am really not preoccupied fwiw. I just wanted to make clear my confidence in you being villa at EOD2 was me assuming Logic would flip wolf. I was actually not considering your push there. But rather how he pushed you ("if Dya posts short questions they are wolf") D1.

Happy birthday to little Dya! <3

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Happy birthday to little Dya! <3

---

she loves icing! She was confused at first and I had to show her that the icing was edible. But once she started she was unstoppable

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dyachei

she loves icing! She was confused at first and I had to show her that the icing was edible. But once she started she was unstoppable

---

Did you use a comics brand finally lol? (on my side I really hope it was the last paw patrol year lol. I am done with Marshall)

vote:hollowkat

My vote is on HK in spirit but I’m trying to pretend this lunch wasn’t predetermined 3 phases ago

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

My vote is on HK in spirit but I’m trying to pretend this lunch wasn’t predetermined 3 phases ago

---

Whats your reads?

i am open to considering other things

Even spicy ones

looking at hk posts. first thing is that there are a ton more posts than I thought there'd be which isnt great because almost none of them are memorable

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by hollowkatt

In all seriousness how familiar are you with Syn because for me this is solidly in his town play. I don't generally see wolf Syn fuck off and make those kinds of posts, at least not until they're more established in the game. I associate what he's said thus far with his town play, hence my post. Your mileage may vary.

---

this read of syn to baudib is like...super non-specific. Doesnt feel like a real read to me

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by hollowkatt

I have a baseline for everyone that I've got experience with. If that baseline is met I lean them town until either the baseline isn't met or isn't necessary, or if they town tell in some way (rendering the baseline unnecessary). Thus far Syn has done nothing that deviates from the baseline. Should that happen I'll adjust my read.

---

this is the kind of thing I think hk did a lot of in his lost wolf game. There were a lot of reads where he just decided someone was a villager and didnt really explain it well.

His read on me is a little better in that he actually explains it

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by hollowkatt

His baseline is to be dry, acerbic, and rather unenthusiastic about existing. Oh wait that's his IRL baseline it just happens to coincide with his mafia playing baseline. Wolf Syn wants to be ingratiated into the game moreso than town Syn does. Town Syn generally doesn't give a flying fuck about anything, wants to make the posts he wants to make, and isn't looking to advance any kind of agenda, just wreck wolves.

It's probably not smart to town read Syn off of his extremely early game posts but I did it anyways and I'm happy with his posting afterwards as well.

As far as holistic thoughts about the game:

I have vastly more town reads than wolf reads. I like, for town:

you, dya, raskol, Visor, noraplus, and wisdom.
Yolo maybe.

Everyone else is some flavor of "idc/don't have a read/could be wolf" and I'm ok with that. Except Ender, I think he's furry.

I think, specifically about dya, that they're reacting hard to how I played the last game here. I was lost wolf, played it completely straight (as if I were town), helped chop two of the three members of the wolf team, then won in F3. Dya recognizing the similarities is good but arrived at the wrong conclusion. The only reason that play style worked is I had no idea who the wolf team was so I could hunt wolves as town does. Once the last pack wolf was dead I had to survive two days. We got Boq on D6 and F3 was me, Ender, and Monty. I had ender pocketed and basically voted monty and peaced out of the thread. Ender never wavered (in thread anyways) on me being town so the game was done.

I think Dya arrives at that conclusion rather naturally and is concerned that I'm using the same type of tactics/strategy in this game. The problem is that there's no lost wolf who's anti town but also uninformed. That's the only reason I was able to get the win. I "correctly" sused out Dya and got them chopped and then "correctly" voted Kagemusha to get them chopped as the last pack wolf. Then I inherited the NK and went from there.

---

but look at all the village reads he makes and how many he actually explains

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by hollowkatt

what makes pzelda a good d1 regardless of alignment? my experience with them is they're solid and almost never a liability.

---

soft defense of zelda

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by hollowkatt

why is pzelda a wagon? cliffs is fine

---

and again

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by hollowkatt

I thought Rask had a decent point when he said Ender was going out of his way to prevent pzelda from being a "thing", made a post in response to rask and dropped the vote on Ender. Ender is "fine" but "fine" Ender has high potential to be wolfEnder. I find Town Ender to be more aggro/more interested in making his pushes last or go somewhere legit but here he is being vocal and calling things out but doesn't seem to care about driving anything to any kind of conclusion.

baudib is meh to me. They latched onto "hk is weird" early and tried to ride me for that for a while and it's fine. I don't think he had bad intentions pushing me. That's probably the most charitable thing I can say atm.

---

like the same could be said for hk here (regarding ender trying to make zelda not a thing).

doesnt think we had w/w wagons d1. I dont remember who else was in serious contention that day but maybe logic? if so, that could be a little bit of TMI

there are a lot of like...derp clears/attempted derps. Like saying wisdom is a good vote.

susses baudib a decent amount but doesnt do much about it. v!hk is usually more aggressive with his reads so this feels odd. Well, I mean, until today. he shaded baudib starting from d1

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by hollowkatt

ur moneys no good here and you've been riding my jock for two days now. find a new pony or you know do something about it. Like for as vociferous as you've been about HK is a wolf you strangely keep winding up on someone elses wagon at the end of the day, and you don't actually do much to stump for my chop, you're just loudly annoying about it to start a game day and then kinda poofs out.

are you stringing me along and poisoning the well or are you actually trying to solve?
next question: do you have me paired with Ender or do you think I have him fooled?

---

this feels like the shade of someone wildly out of touch with thread happenings. Also he v read visor to this point

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by hollowkatt

my secret tinfoil there is Ender realized how powerful hard pocketing can be and is going for that, but tangentially not directly. Like he doesn't sheep my calls, he doesn't build me up, he doesn't engage in conversations where I "sway" him to my pov. Instead he talks to other people about me being town and saying what he's said. So sure, tinfoil says "be ware"

that said ender isn't playing this game like any wolf game I've seen him play, he's a very competent wolf.

Sometimes people just get a thing going and run with it. I ran with Syn being town. It felt right, still feels right, I'm sticking with it. I'm not particularly concerned with Syn being a wolf as he won't make F3 if he is, we'll fear chop him on like D5 or something.

---

this post is full of hedge for someone he professes to feel strongly about

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by hollowkatt

I feel like I can say with some amount of accuracy that the following are not wolves:
Rask
Visor
Syn
Ender
Ladd
Dya

I suspect baudib mostly because they've wanted to call me a wolf for days but aren't actually doing anything about it.
I think Eph has some wolf potential as even during D1 they were more "ingratiating and chilling with the homies" than they were about solving the game. They ended up on the right wagon but meh

Yolo is a person of interest but that's the most I can say about them at the moment. Everyone else is dead.

---

so he says this is why baudib is a wolf. but he basically accused visor of doing the same thing and visor is a town read.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Did you use a comics brand finally lol? (on my side I really hope it was the last paw patrol year lol. I am done with Marshall)

---

no, we just got her a dinosaur cake

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ladd

Whats your reads?

i am open to considering other things

Even spicy ones

---

I would say flip HK and reevaluate ? I have reason to see town in most slots outside of that

baudi/Rask are my higher strength town reads, Syn is in that area as well

Perhaps a wolf is miscleared somewhere because it seems Eph/I are getting POE?d as second lowest tier. I?m not sure if Ephe would be wolfing here as opposed to a more laidback approach. If he?s town and HK is a miss this game might be lost or is an uphill battle at best

If Hk is town then I?m going really wrong somewhere. If this is the second villager I have to flip positing a YOLO/baudi team I am throwing my MacBook out of a window

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

I would say flip HK and reevaluate ? I have reason to see town in most slots outside of that

baudi/Rask are my higher strength town reads, Syn is in that area as well

Perhaps a wolf is miscleared somewhere because it seems Eph/I are getting POE?d as second lowest tier. I?m not sure if Ephe would be wolfing here as opposed to a more laidback approach. If he?s town and HK is a miss this game might be lost or is an uphill battle at best

If Hk is town then I?m going really wrong somewhere. If this is the second villager I have to flip positing a YOLO/baudi team I am throwing my MacBook out of a window

---

whats your read on me/visor?

if hk is a wolf who is next iyo?

my vote is on hk in spirit

hey ladd why are hk/ender unaligned iyo

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dyachei

my vote is on hk in spirit

hey ladd why are hk/ender unaligned iyo

---

isos stop at last 100 posts so i can't dig up (at least not rn cause i dont have time) ender d1 push on hollowkat, but hk/ender pushed each other d1 in way that doesnt really seema ligned to me

and then there is this zelda post:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.

---

if it was like wiggles i'd maybe consider this as a possible w/w/w but not a lot of wolves would make this post as w/w/w (i wouldnt) and i don't think zelda would either tbh

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ladd

isos stop at last 100 posts so i can't dig up (at least not rn cause i dont have time) ender d1 push on hollowkat, but hk/ender pushed each other d1 in way that doesnt really seema ligned to me

and then there is this zelda post:



if it was like wiggles i'd maybe consider this as a possible w/w/w but not a lot of wolves would make this post as w/w/w (i wouldnt) and i don't think zelda would either tbh

---

thanks. I'll cogitate on it

V
nl
ladd

V lean
baudib
syn
eph

POE
rask
eph

W lean
hk
ender

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dyachei

V
nl
ladd

V lean
baudib
syn
eph

POE
rask
eph

W lean
hk
ender

---

You have Eph on here twice

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

You have Eph on here twice

---

oh, the 2nd eph is supposed to be you lol

im trying to decide if I think syn/hk would be a plausible wolf team or not

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dyachei

oh, the 2nd eph is supposed to be you lol

im trying to decide if I think syn/hk would be a plausible wolf team or not

---

idts

if hk is a wolf he prob tmied syn villa in his start of d1

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

You have Eph on here twice

---

wolfy post chief

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dyachei

oh, the 2nd eph is supposed to be you lol

im trying to decide if I think syn/hk would be a plausible wolf team or not

---

Smh

Ephemeral is above Rask for you?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ladd

wolfy post chief

---

……..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

……..

---

villagery

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

Smh

Ephemeral is above Rask for you?

---

yes but I cant explain why

Lmao

Regarding you/Visor, my real answer is ?objectively y?all are both in range? but on a micro level, you?ve had a lot of nuance in places that I?m finding hit the same beats that I?ve had (your processes on Syn/ender specifically) that it appeals to me toward a village read

Visor is similar except I?m finding him more toward the ?let me POE this group aggressively? side of things. So basically, you see the villager in people while he sees the wolf. Lol. But at the same time I can ?get? why he susses the people he does, I?m just not sure I?ve seen anything that has me ready to lock it in. If ender is a wolf then that looks good for Visor by level 1 means because he?s steadily opposed any V reading of ender

I don?t know who would be with HK off-hand

I think we need to fight against the general contentment with the status quo.

Been thinking about the state of the game and my gut says that unless it’s exactly Ender-HK, I don’t think there’s enough tension in the thread, especially wrt pushes against a wider range of targets, for this to make sense. And I was thinking Ender is wolfy but maybe that was due to me finding his tone to be incredibly annoying. I don’t like his harping on the NKs but with him strongly calling ladd a villager, it doesn’t seem as agenda-y to me. I don’t think that’s a strategy that squared with his primary push on me because Wisdom/C4 kills are not links me to me in any way. I really want to hear more about his case on me but my feeling is that I did really just lazily PoE him.

Ender is of course correct thst if he’s a villager who thinks HK is a villager then he has to find wolves, the problem is it’s not me, and so me and him really need to find each other here.

Solving becomes really problematic if HM isn’t a wolf because we all just let that happen. I’m pretty annoyed at myself for not getting there on SK.

This makes me now become a little uncomfortable with Visor’s stance that Logic-HK-SK just ends it, but no one really fought against that. It’s a little hypocritical too because I just kinda dunked on Logic just for being kinda meh.

I’m curious why no one really wants to examine Ephemeral - he’s someone who is most content with the status quo without doing much to build that consensus. I don’t have any idea who his top suspects are.

Dya - happy birthday �� to your little one.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by baudib1

I think we need to fight against the general contentment with the status quo.

Been thinking about the state of the game and my gut says that unless it’s exactly Ender-HK, I don’t think there’s enough tension in the thread, especially wrt pushes against a wider range of targets, for this to make sense. And I was thinking Ender is wolfy but maybe that was due to me finding his tone to be incredibly annoying. I don’t like his harping on the NKs but with him strongly calling ladd a villager, it doesn’t seem as agenda-y to me. I don’t think that’s a strategy that squared with his primary push on me because Wisdom/C4 kills are not links me to me in any way. I really want to hear more about his case on me but my feeling is that I did really just lazily PoE him.

Ender is of course correct thst if he’s a villager who thinks HK is a villager then he has to find wolves, the problem is it’s not me, and so me and him really need to find each other here.

Solving becomes really problematic if HM isn’t a wolf because we all just let that happen. I’m pretty annoyed at myself for not getting there on SK.

This makes me now become a little uncomfortable with Visor’s stance that Logic-HK-SK just ends it, but no one really fought against that. It’s a little hypocritical too because I just kinda dunked on Logic just for being kinda meh.

I’m curious why no one really wants to examine Ephemeral - he’s someone who is most content with the status quo without doing much to build that consensus. I don’t have any idea who his top suspects are.

Dya - happy birthday �� to your little one.

---

what are your thoughts on rask?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dyachei

yes but I cant explain why

---

Raskol being in your POE surprises me but actually this is interesting

You said you can?t explain why ? wouldn?t it be coming from a place of considering in the event ender/HK aren?t partnered, that this is your way of wrangling a wolfread out of a bunch of townreads you have?

It is indeed interesting. I'd gladly hear more about it smh.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

Raskol being in your POE surprises me but actually this is interesting

You said you can?t explain why ? wouldn?t it be coming from a place of considering in the event ender/HK aren?t partnered, that this is your way of wrangling a wolfread out of a bunch of townreads you have?

---

i mean it's partially that. I just feel like I can't clear him or mostly clear him like I can with several others

I’m having a really hard time divorcing my view of Rask from the ladd seal of approval, so I think we need to kill ladd first and go from there.

But no, I think he’s been generally villagery and I don’t think his Zelda push felt like a bus and without a meta read that he’s a serial busser it’s hard to get to a W read on him.

What do you like about Ephemeral?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by baudib1

I think we need to fight against the general contentment with the status quo.

Been thinking about the state of the game and my gut says that unless it’s exactly Ender-HK, I don’t think there’s enough tension in the thread, especially wrt pushes against a wider range of targets, for this to make sense. And I was thinking Ender is wolfy but maybe that was due to me finding his tone to be incredibly annoying. I don’t like his harping on the NKs but with him strongly calling ladd a villager, it doesn’t seem as agenda-y to me. I don’t think that’s a strategy that squared with his primary push on me because Wisdom/C4 kills are not links me to me in any way. I really want to hear more about his case on me but my feeling is that I did really just lazily PoE him.

Ender is of course correct thst if he’s a villager who thinks HK is a villager then he has to find wolves, the problem is it’s not me, and so me and him really need to find each other here.

Solving becomes really problematic if HM isn’t a wolf because we all just let that happen. I’m pretty annoyed at myself for not getting there on SK.

This makes me now become a little uncomfortable with Visor’s stance that Logic-HK-SK just ends it, but no one really fought against that. It’s a little hypocritical too because I just kinda dunked on Logic just for being kinda meh.

I’m curious why no one really wants to examine Ephemeral - he’s someone who is most content with the status quo without doing much to build that consensus. I don’t have any idea who his top suspects are.

Dya - happy birthday �� to your little one.

---

I did say Ephe isn't town for me rn (check out my first post toDay). It's just I have basically nothing to work with in HK's ISO, it's full of wolfy beans, wifom, derps (the last one being so trash tbh) etc.

Yolo feels the same to me (and apparently to a lot of people) but Ephe has been more engaged at times and I think Yolo's positionning at EOD1 was wolfy (while Ephe's was more TWTBAW, ie asking why we should get pzelda instead of Logic, voting him on the buzzer etc). I am not locking any of these reads but it just makes sense to me (aka HK/Yolo).

I just don't see any reason to open up the POE now. I too blame Logic for letting us railing him like this but maybe there was a irl issue or something. The situation would be better otherwise but it's not as bad as it looks imo.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dyachei

i mean it's partially that. I just feel like I can't clear him or mostly clear him like I can with several others

---

Can you run me thru some of the reasoning behind your clears?

Not asking for a ton of justification, just something tangible to get a better grasp on where your head is at

ya as i said, if you think i am a villager you can just take rask as a villager too

him/c4 have always been the 2 obvious vilalgers of the game

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dyachei

i mean it's partially that. I just feel like I can't clear him or mostly clear him like I can with several others

---

why is that? YOu think I open D1 hellbussing pzelda because? I know Visor and Ladd worked for it too, but I started this wagon, pushed him all day, and I dare to say if I wasn't around at EOD (check out my excellent meme "kill this with fire" :clown:) the wagon might just hit Logic and pzelda gets away with his D1.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

Can you run me thru some of the reasoning behind your clears?

Not asking for a ton of justification, just something tangible to get a better grasp on where your head is at

---

Ladd I'm pretty decent at catching on tone, justification for reads, etc as a wolf and nothing from him has pinged me at all. The way he's approached my slot in thread has felt very genuine.

Visor's push on zelda really doesn't seem like a bus at all. I think his general activity in the thread has been mostly solving and I understand his reads

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I did say Ephe isn't town for me rn (check out my first post toDay). It's just I have basically nothing to work with in HK's ISO, it's full of wolfy beans, wifom, derps (the last one being so trash tbh) etc.

Yolo feels the same to me (and apparently to a lot of people) but Ephe has been more engaged at times and I think Yolo's positionning at EOD1 was wolfy (while Ephe's was more TWTBAW, ie asking why we should get pzelda instead of Logic, voting him on the buzzer etc). I am not locking any of these reads but it just makes sense to me (aka HK/Yolo).

I just don't see any reason to open up the POE now. I too blame Logic for letting us railing him like this but maybe there was a irl issue or something. The situation would be better otherwise but it's not as bad as it looks imo.

---

My positioning EOD1 was wolfy?

I was not even here for it

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

why is that? YOu think I open D1 hellbussing pzelda because? I know Visor and Ladd worked for it too, but I started this wagon, pushed him all day, and I dare to say if I wasn't around at EOD (check out my excellent meme "kill this with fire" :clown:) the wagon might just hit Logic and pzelda gets away with his D1.

---

I probably just need to reread. It's not like i want to elim you rn or anything. I still think hk and ender are more likely to turn up hits. I haven't read d1 in a while and i dont recall the extent of your involvement

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

My positioning EOD1 was wolfy?

I was not even here for it

---

Precisaly. Snap voted pzelda without a word and disappeared :curtain:

insert "J'accuse" bussing meme here Yolo. (I am backing you up Ephe, meme wise at least)

Rask, pushing Ephe is not opening up the PoE, you don?t have him as a villager.

I?m picking up more V!Yolo thought process just from his questioning on this page than I have any sense of original thoughts from Ephemeral.

If it?s not Ephemeral/HK it really sucks because it means I have to stop trolling Visor and respect his deepwolfing game.

Rask, I get you?re on the high that comes from being lack claire and nailing a wolf D1 but very often the top-down view from that spot just lends itself to having blind spots due to relying on tone/feels. This isn?t a complaint or grievance but the game becomes pretty much imo if HK is a miss.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Precisaly. Snap voted pzelda without a word and disappeared :curtain:

---

Lmao

I was going to say this is silliness then I remembered our last game together I bussed out the gate ��

The game becomes brutal if HK is a miss*

I say this as forever being the guy who has to seal the win after the D1 heroes have been deaded.

jokes aside yolo posts on this page are wolfy

:curtain:

Taking bets on another YOLO V reader getting nk?d tonight and no one giving a shit after the fact

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ladd

jokes aside yolo posts on this page are wolfy

:curtain:

---

nah

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

Taking bets on another YOLO V reader getting nk?d tonight and no one giving a shit after the fact

---

who villa read you? i think c4 was p lukewarm on you and idr wisdom read but you werent in his top 3 villas iirc

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

Taking bets on another YOLO V reader getting nk?d tonight and no one giving a shit after the fact

---

ya ok this post is legit sketchbally.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ladd

who villa read you? i think c4 was p lukewarm on you and idr wisdom read but you werent in his top 3 villas iirc

---

Both did if memory serves

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

Both did if memory serves

---

Afaict wisdom did not and c4 was leaning villa on you at best

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ladd

Afaict wisdom did not and c4 was leaning villa on you at best

---

Think I was town on C4?s list, I could be wrong on Wisdom, don?t care enough to check

vote: yoloswag

I’m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho

probably just gonna skim rask's iso then take a look at yolo

ok move rask up to the highest tier lol. I dont think he talks to a wolf bro like he talked to zelda

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by baudib1

vote: yoloswag

I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho

---

I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by baudib1

In the less brave new world where we're not sweeping, I'm not quite there on a confident V Yolo read. I'd put him at translucent lime green. He's not a player like me who floods the thread with every thought, it's true that he takes some time to get fired up. I am slightly perplexed by his treatment of me, and maybe it's because he is V-reading Ender.

If I had to guess, my gut tells me that W!Yolo would be more cautious around V!me than V!Yolo would be wary of potential W!me.

However, one interesting observation he made that I found interesting is him noting that there's not an undercurrent of hate directed at ladd or Visor. I suppose the people who were somewhat SR Visor are dead -- SK, Wisdom in particular (outed imo).

I'm not sure how many wolves try to actually come after V!ladd. I'm not W!Baud would TDome him, but I would definitely look for spots to try to question his thought process or undermine him. (I'm not saying it would work)

For sure the biggest difference is V!baudib asks Dya for more opinions and W!baudib doesn't.

I guess this thought experiment leads to me believe the other two wolves are laying somewhat low atm.

We're not too far from some heavyweight bouts in this game if we misyeet today.

---

My first post of the game was complaining about not being W/W with Yolo, and I thought it was a little weird that he didn?t really call attention to that post. (See Rask, some of us are actually playing mafia in our first posts of a mafia game. BITD if you didn?t nail 2 wolves and lock in 3 villas within the first 20 posts you were just slanking.)

My experience with Yolo has mostly been on the same team his treatment of me just kinda fits how I would imagine he?d play it here. Not exactly locking this in but I want to emphasize how hard it is for me to want to vote him. Also I know he can post his way out if he?s villa.

Vote: ladd

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

Vote: ladd

---

why?

good morning

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ladd

syn i think is prob a villager? at least from wisdom being n1ed

---

what

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dyachei

im trying to decide if I think syn/hk would be a plausible wolf team or not

---

through god, all things are possible

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by baudib1

I think we need to fight against the general contentment with the status quo.

Been thinking about the state of the game and my gut says that unless it?s exactly Ender-HK, I don?t think there?s enough tension in the thread, especially wrt pushes against a wider range of targets, for this to make sense. And I was thinking Ender is wolfy but maybe that was due to me finding his tone to be incredibly annoying. I don?t like his harping on the NKs but with him strongly calling ladd a villager, it doesn?t seem as agenda-y to me. I don?t think that?s a strategy that squared with his primary push on me because Wisdom/C4 kills are not links me to me in any way. I really want to hear more about his case on me but my feeling is that I did really just lazily PoE him.

Ender is of course correct thst if he?s a villager who thinks HK is a villager then he has to find wolves, the problem is it?s not me, and so me and him really need to find each other here.

Solving becomes really problematic if HM isn?t a wolf because we all just let that happen. I?m pretty annoyed at myself for not getting there on SK.

This makes me now become a little uncomfortable with Visor?s stance that Logic-HK-SK just ends it, but no one really fought against that. It?s a little hypocritical too because I just kinda dunked on Logic just for being kinda meh.

I?m curious why no one really wants to examine Ephemeral - he?s someone who is most content with the status quo without doing much to build that consensus. I don?t have any idea who his top suspects are.

Dya - happy birthday �� to your little one.

---

very wolfy post my good sir

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Syn

very wolfy post my good sir

---

counterpoint: no it isn’t.

Also: your mom is a very wolfy post

yeah that ladd quote is pretty odd, I’m sure he’s just left out a couple steps on the thought process.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

Vote: ladd

---

Lmao

Why?

baudib/ender would be an interesting team

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by baudib1

My first post of the game was complaining about not being W/W with Yolo, and I thought it was a little weird that he didn?t really call attention to that post. (See Rask, some of us are actually playing mafia in our first posts of a mafia game. BITD if you didn?t nail 2 wolves and lock in 3 villas within the first 20 posts you were just slanking.)

My experience with Yolo has mostly been on the same team his treatment of me just kinda fits how I would imagine he?d play it here. Not exactly locking this in but I want to emphasize how hard it is for me to want to vote him. Also I know he can post his way out if he?s villa.

---

Remind me this post @baudib if HK ever flips red. (actually no, just check to which post HK replied first (hint, my opener). Then note how he had to justify his vote on me... when, and take it for granted, we almost always shit crossvote D1 to say "hello")

Due diligence to the mafia gods.

@Visor: when you are caught up, thoughts on a baudib/ladd team?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ladd

Lmao

Why?

---

I don't follow your line of questioning earlier or how you found any of my posts wolfy

I am the most villagery player in the game and am the most free spew read from the flipped wolf, I feel like you'd see this pretty easily in conjunction with the bangers I have been posting

I feel like there has been a fair amount of sentiment against me this phase, I can see some other players struggling with the read (my 2 voters are people I've wolfed with who probably remember my wolf play more than my village game) but not you. But more importantly I distinctly remember you pushing me as a wolf in a few V/W games we've had for reasons that weren't great, I'm playing with the idea you might have been doing the same thing here

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Syn

very wolfy post my good sir

---

How come?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ladd

Afaict wisdom did not and c4 was leaning villa on you at best

---

wolf!ladd letting everyone know he's been paying close attention to the NK's reads before he killed them

I respect it

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

How come?

---

when ender tried to explode open the POE and I shut it down, baudib responded that I made a great post

and baudib all day has been making noises in support of an ender chop, even coming to blows with ender himself

but now suddenly ender might have a point, and what do you know, we should really be widening the POE and looking elsewhere

even with the association between hk/ender in his post, he ends on the assumption of what happens after we chop HK, not Ender

his post exclusively serves to save ender and push suspicion on everyone else.

Man IDFK.

Rereading SOD1 makes me wanna just lunch HK/Ender lmao


This is a fun post to wifom
QUOTE=Syn;2053840507]fake read tbh[/QUOTE]

Trying to parse these gives me a headache:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

HK as town tends to do risky/off the wall scumreads more than townreads, and very rarely do I see HK commit to a "THIS IS 100% TOWN" so early on D1.

Where as wolf I've seen him make that turn play more.

Hope that makes sense.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Yes.

This is exactly why I'm wolfreading him lmao.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I have not much thought on pzelda but ngl the fact that the wagon showed up when HK was first getting voted too feels kinda weirdchamp.

---