The Settlement [Concluded]

Pizza, I have read your posts.


You played the role of a Venus fly trap quite well.

Now your objective is complete, and a man working for the settlement has died, as you desired. Maybe you didn't kill him, but perhaps your dear partner did? I don't know, but you used deceit to achieve your goal, why should you be trusted now? You say you're innocent, why? Because you've already said thoroughly you're innocent? What kind of a defense is that? Especially when you also said that someone who trusted you enough to give you their information was a target for you?

There is a saying, you know, young man:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Too much to read, and today is my busy day. Will look over things in greater detail later.

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Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910

Pizza, I have read your posts.


You played the role of a Venus fly trap quite well.

Now your objective is complete, and a man working for the settlement has died, as you desired. Maybe you didn't kill him, but perhaps your dear partner did? I don't know, but you used deceit to achieve your goal, why should you be trusted now? You say you're innocent, why? Because you've already said thoroughly you're innocent? What kind of a defense is that? Especially when you also said that someone who trusted you enough to give you their information was a target for you?

There is a saying, you know, young man:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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Once again I am made into the target. No more.

I have the perfect solution to our little problem, mister Yoyoma. You seem to think I am guilty, but you failed to back it up with the actions of a townie.

Challenge: Yoyoma1910. yes, even with my miserable duel rating. I am ready to die. But I don't believe you're ready to give a townie the benefit of the doubt, nor do I believe you're willing to actually listen to what I have to say. To me, that signals a closed-minded townie at best, or a mafia at worst.

And I think you need to be lynched this round, Yoyoma1910, after my death.

Oh, I have listened to what you said.

And so have others, such as our dear taxman.


But I will not fall into your little trap, no matter how you bait it.


Reject: Pizza


You used the trust given to you to achieve selfish goals, you even acknowledged that. Your words are tainted. And I would say it is you who playing the close-minded one, as you only seem to be listening to yourself.

Young man, you are bringing no good upon this settlement.

If you believe me to be guilty, why not finish me off? How could you possibly be afraid of someone with a 2 for a duel rating? Either accept my challenge or remove your vote from me. You cannot fire accusations at me, vote for my lynch, and then hide from the consequences.

I am ready to die for my mistakes so far this game. Why, then, are you not ready to deal with the consequences of accusing me? Why do you not want to take a shot at eliminating what has to be your TOP SUSPECT, since you're voting for me?

I am just roleplaying here, so make no mistake: :bow:

I find your accusation, and your attempt to flee from a fight, to be the actions of a cowardly old man.

Why are you so insitent on being dueled instead of lynched ATPG? We can duel Tincow and lynch you instead...

However, because I like law and order and other vague concepts like them, I feel I have no choice but to Challenge: ATPG
and Vote: Abstain

Cos I don't have time to reread yet.

I know, it's all role play. ~:)

Oh, is that it?


You want a feeble old man to accept your challenge? As proof of your innocence? Bah.


You've already made your bed, now go to sleep in it. I'll have you know the Tax Collector was a dear friend of mine! Blast you, and your secret society to the west wind!

Go hang yourself.

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Originally Posted by shlin28

However, because I like law and order and other vague concepts like them, I feel I have no choice but to Challenge: ATPG
and Vote: Abstain

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Reject: shlin28

Because I don't know your duel rating is enough to destroy me outright. Please tell me what it is in private or I won't accept. Also, I am not accepting challenges unless what was it, 5 people stepped forward and wanted me dead? As it stands, Sasaki and beefy don't even want me dead, white_eyes doesn't, and two of them challenged me and one of them might even want revenge for possibly (even though I didn't) betraying him. I am ready to die, just not on a whim. I wanted to see how Yoyoma would react to the challenge. He reacted like classic mafia who was cornered.

Withdraw: Yoyoma1910
Because he rejected my challenge in disgrace. :smash:

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Just like I rejected Sasaki's challenge in disgrace, then accepted it in disgrace, then rejected it in disgrace, then accepted it in disgrace.... :laugh4:

Wait-
You're friends with the tax collector?? One moment. *pulls Yoyoma1910 aside*

Fine... Withdraw: ATPG

*trudges back to the guard post feeling cheated out of a fight*

You sir, are the coward!


You have done enough baiting for a life time! How dare you accuse me of anything?


Dwadle peasant, don't touch me.

I fear my life may soon be at stake,
As such, a challenge I want to make,
I Challenge: Pizzaguy.
Though I wish neither die,
I hope, of this challenge you will take.

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Originally Posted by shlin28

Fine... Withdraw: ATPG

*trudges back to the guard post feeling cheated out of a fight*

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I told you the conditions of my accepting your challenge. I believe, based on your roleplay, you've got a significant duel rating. But if you are a valuable townie, I want to make sure that I have no chance of eliminating you in the duel, none within the realm of reasonable likelihood.

As for Yoyoldman, (kidding, we both know I'm kidding :bow:) I challenge you to a fight to the death and you call me a coward? Come back here and fight like a man!


Seireikhaan, I'd need to know your duel rating before I accept. See me in private.

Can I assume that seireikhaan and shlin28 both want to see me die in a duel? Give me three more supporters and you got it, folks. But you know, it's not a good idea to cast me aside so soon when you could have used me as murder bait.

I say string him up!


He's too lowly for the sword.

That won't be necessary. Seireikhaan has convinced me to duel him.

Accept: Seireikhaan

No further votes on me will be needed. I will not reject this challenge unless Seireikhaan asks me to do so. I am sure I will die tonight.


(Seireikhaan, proper format is Challenge: Askthepizzaguy)

Vote: ATPG

This is purely out of protest that you continue to insist that you hold as much information as possible about the rest of us privately. Yes, yes, I know your defense. I'm sticking to my position.

Also, I don't want FH to slide by either.

oh yeah so i was mafia and my mafia buddies were reenk, ares number 2 and and him, yes him!

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or not....

No, I demand justice.


I will not waist my vote on a man who may or may not have blood on his hands, instead I shall retain my vote against thee, in case you are as strong a deceiver as you have already proven yourself.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Vote: ATPG

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I think it's silly to waste your vote on me now. Seireikhaan has a reasonable chance of killing me tonight in a duel. But do as you like.

:smash:

I will have to reconsider my accusation of TinCow. His actions are still not his usual townie self, but I think I was overeager to attach that to his defense of Ares. They aren't necessarily connected and I haven't given enough thought to alternative explanations. I would say to unvote TinCow.

*****

Yoyoma was roleblocked night one, and then there was an extra kill night 2. I don't see this as suspicious. If I was roleblocked I would not kill the next night for sake of revealing myself, and this Pisuf character does not seem to be your standard killer. We don't know what role he plays in this.

unvote: Yoyoma1910
vote: Abstain

Sigh... until we find a better suspect. :no:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Sasaki was walking back to his tent in the write-up, indicating that he was out and active. This indicates that Sasaki had a role. Sasaki himself claims he was a doctor:



There may be some truth to this, because the killer says that Sasaki had "healing abilities." However, it is stated in a manner that indicates that Sasaki could use those abilities on himself, which is not typical of a doctor. Instead, this seems like a reference to a battle ability or some other kind of unusual immunity to death. Sasaki is also apparently a servent of Kefy, which is a new god we have not heard of before. However, the killer names himself as Pisuf, who we have already heard about. Pisuf was the god of pevergreen, whose ability in death revealed his own murderer. pevergreen's ability on face value appears to be pro-town oriented, which would indicate a pro-town orientation for Pisuf as well. This is very consistent with the following conversation between Kefy and OsiOsi, in which OsiOsi (our known good god) says:



This is very strong evidence that Kefy is evil and an ally of Vode. This would make Sasaki also evil and his death then takes on the appearance of a vigilante kill. Based on the appearance of Pisuf in that write-up as well, I think it is reasonable to assume that all four gods (OsiOsi, Pisuf, Vode, Kefy) are actually players in the game.

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Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"

The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."

"Now Sasaki, don't even bother with your healing abilities. I have thought long and hard of how you should die and I assure you, the method will make your abilities quite useless."

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OsiOsi protected reenk against Vode, and Kefy is an ally of OsiOsi (perhaps a couple). There is nothing in that writeup to make Kefy look evil, and trying to twist "healing abilities" into something sinister is laughable.

OsiOsi has little love for Pisuf:

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Originally Posted by OsiOsi

You know I have little love for Pisuf,

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In hindsight, seeing as Sasaki apparently worshiped an evil god, this might actually have been true. This is, IMHO, an unbelievably brilliant play. What better way to cover your own butt than to intentionally volunteer your own role, but in a manner that is seen as a pro-town bluff rather than a true reveal? If he was really recruiting, this would also be a useful means of getting the word out to potential recruits without revealing himself. Anyone who knew to look for a recruiter would instantly know to contact Sasaki, yet the town would not lynch him for it.

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More out of character reckless assumptions. I feel like you are overreacting to my attack on you, perhaps in self defense, but still...


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I find Andres post to be out of character and a bit scummy.

Puppet will dance for Grandmaster Sasaki of the Kojiro clan. He's more brilliant and devious than me, and so I'll act as his voting power for as long as I am alive. (not much longer)

unvote: Abstain
vote: Andres

I know my reply is a bit late coming, but I'd like to delve more on the gods.

First off I'll address TinCow's analysis of the gods and then I'll make my own.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Sasaki is also apparently a servent of Kefy, which is a new god we have not heard of before. However, the killer names himself as Pisuf, who we have already heard about. Pisuf was the god of pevergreen, whose ability in death revealed his own murderer. pevergreen's ability on face value appears to be pro-town oriented, which would indicate a pro-town orientation for Pisuf as well. This is very consistent with the following conversation between Kefy and OsiOsi, in which OsiOsi (our known good god) says:

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OsiOsi replied calmly: "Enough Kefy, you and Vode complain too much when your puny servants are foiled. You know I have little love for Pisuf, but he is doing important work and has impressed me with his decisions. I am not going to punish him because he feels the need to kill some of your agents."

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This is very strong evidence that Kefy is evil and an ally of Vode. This would make Sasaki also evil and his death then takes on the appearance of a vigilante kill. Based on the appearance of Pisuf in that write-up as well, I think it is reasonable to assume that all four gods (OsiOsi, Pisuf, Vode, Kefy) are actually players in the game.

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I disagree strongly with the above assessment of Kefy and Pisuf.

In the case of Kefy, the quoted sentences used to "prove" she is evil and an ally of Vode doesn't actually mean much. Both gods are only linked by the fact they complain when their mortal servants are foiled (and presumably killed), that does in no way mean they share the same objectives.

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Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"

The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."

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This part of the write up leads me to believe Kefy may be the mate/wife of OsiOsi, but that's only a theory. Taken in another sense, it could just mean she and OsiOsi share a similar attitude or personality. This links her as much to OsiOsi as to Vode (if not more), if we follow TinCow's argument above. Furthermore, it is revealed here that Kefy is the goddess of the earth, so she is probably some sort of earth mother/nature goddess. From these two assessments, I tend to believe that Kefy is either neutral, as in uncaring of the settlement, or good, which jives with the idea of Sasaki Kojiro having a doctor role.

Now, Pisuf. We don't have much information, but I don't believe he is pro-town just because pevergreen revealed Ares. Remember pevergreen's reveal after he had died:

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I am the village idiot! I ask lots of questions and annoy people a lot. They try to kill me before the god Pisuf takes me away and puts me somewhere else, thus continuing the cycle. This time, Pisuf got his powers taken away by the other gods, so being his chosen one doesnt help anymore (He considered me the greatest human alive)

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And now recall the way in which Pisuf killed Sasaki Kojiro. (reposted here for your convenience)

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Unaware of the events at the house of Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sasaki Kojiro walked back to his tent with a look of disappointment but also relief on his face. His work done for the night, he tried to get some sleep.

As he slipped into his nightwear a small squirrel entered his tent. Sasaki Kojiro smiled at the creature and went to look for some nuts to feed it.

How stunned he was when the squirrel suddenly spoke: "There will be no need for that Sasaki."

Sasaki Kojiro turned around and saw that the squirrel had transformed into a strikingly handsome man towering nine feet above the ground, his head pushing on the ceiling of the tent. The giant had a mischievous smile on his face as he said: "Oh how delightful this situation is, so much more lively than the boring formality of the Forest!"

Sasaki Kojiro overcame enough of his fear to state: "Who are you?! What do you want?!"

The giant responded: "Oh my plans are so far beyond your mortal imagination Sasaki. The little priest king and his little pets go about their pathetic lives trying to find these annoying little insects - or as you call them - usurpers. It is quite amusing really."

"Now Sasaki, I'm terribly sorry, but it is time for you to get off this little ride."

Sasaki Kojiro, seeing that he had nothing to lose, charged the giant. The giant simply took a deep breath and blew the quite heavy set Sasaki Kojiro all the way to the other side of his tent.

Sasaki Kojiro cried out: "Kefy my matron! Goddess of the earth! Save your servant!"

The giant chuckled and said: "Kefy was such a bore. She just never put out. Really the perfect match for OsiOsi."

"Now Sasaki, don't even bother with your healing abilities. I have thought long and hard of how you should die and I assure you, the method will make your abilities quite useless."

The giant began uttering some chants and suddenly, Sasaki Kojiro was transformed into a fish. He began to asphyxiate on his the floor when the giant went and picked him up and dropped him into one of the many barrels of water in his tent. Initially feeling relief, Sasaki Kojiro soon realized he was drowning! As a fish no less!

He looked hopelessly at the laughing giant before he floated limply to to the top.

The giant then pulled out a trident and impaled the corpse of Sasaki Kojiro the fish. Taking a bite of his freshly killed victim, the giant chuckled to himself: "Oh Pisuf, you have really outdone yourself tonight!"

"Hopefully these mortals will be thankful for the favor I have bestowed on them..."

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Pisuf is likely some sort of god of chaos. His chosen one is a village idiot who annoys people with random questions. The method Pisuf chose to kill seemed also to have been chosen not only to negate Sasaki Kojiro's healing ability, but also for humor. (While other kills were more straightforward.) Pisuf may be some sort of trickster (uses shapeshifting, then again, in more than a few mythos many gods did) or even mischievous, but I doubt he is either "good" or "evil".

As for this line from OsiOsi:

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You know I have little love for Pisuf

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This to me confirms Pisuf as some sort of chaotic god. OsiOsi as king of the gods dislikes chaos and is a proponent of order. By saving Reenk Roink, OsiOsi enforces the rules he has set upon the other gods:

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In the Forest of the Gods, the god of wars and foreign peoples watched with a tinge of disappointment as the priest king Reenk Roink continued to walk about the earth. He turned to the god of the sky and questioned: "Why did you save him?"

OsiOsi, the king of the gods replied: "It is not for you to affect a matter that I have forbidden to the gods. You know well enough that you must act through your followers. If you plot anything Vode, know well that I also plot, and I am the best plotter."

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What nags me though is why Pisuf is allowed to meddle directly? If OsiOsi has ruled that the gods must act through their follows, why is he opposed to punishing Pisuf for directly killing Kefy's follower? Perhaps Pisuf's actions fall into OsiOsi's greater plan or something like that. For now, we can only speculate on the matter.

I think I'm going to stop here for now, as this post is turning to be pretty long without also analyzing OsiOsi and Vode. I think most of us agree on their respective roles anyways. As for TinCow's theory that the gods are in fact each players, I'm really not sure at this point. It could be just as much as it could not be...

I personally imagine a goddess of nature would not want people settling in her land.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I find Andres post to be out of character and a bit scummy.

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I'm still watching this game and I'm surprised you didn't expand on this point :thinking:

My thoughts: Well several things. I still give TinCow the benefit of doubt. If Ares wasn't innocent (Which is basically proven he was not), there might have been one less kill today, yet we now have 3 kills today, so it might have been that Ares was innocent (But he confessed so that chance is out). So, TinCow's odd defence of a confessed SK still remains (Maybe he's his partner? But that would be suicidal since Ares was already doomed and his confession would greatly shift the blame to TinCow, however most people seem to think that TinCow wouldn't do such a strategy as being too risky. I don't know. If TinCow is Ares' partner and we let him go, it basically means he might have a "Get Out of Lynch" card until late game). Sasaki has been the man who I have shared my views with, the most. While I wouldn't press for his lynching (Heck, he might have defended Ares out of his chance for being framed) and would continue giving him the benefit of doubt for another day, Sasaki's attack seems to make him follower of some kind of evil god (Or one which takes attacks on its followers very seriously), I don't know what to make of him. Quite possibly he's innocent? Now the most odd behaviour I have been seeing is of ATPG. It has been quite strange that beefy (Who was the Tax Collector) was the man who ATPG wanted murdered. Odd enough, ATPG and his colleague whoever he is, got to know that beefy was the Tax Collector, but they (Who originally wanted him dead) were protecting him (Why?). Then he ends up dead, as ATPG said he wanted and he quickly dismissed himself from having had anything to do with his death, and hints at the blame being with his colleague, which also remains hidden. Then he begins once again on his trek of Challenging, Accepting and Rejecting duels. If anything ATPG, you're only serving to confuse the townies greatly. I was gonna vote abstain, but your behaviour is too confusing to be of benefit to the town. You claim to be town, but you continually try to remain secret of everyone related to you, which coincidentally might be Mafia (Considering you aren't, which is a long shot as well)

Vote: ATPG

Gah! :wall:

I'm dead in the duel tonight, which I accepted and will not reject. What is your response to that? No benefit of the doubt at all, huh? No other suspects besides me, eh? If you want to waste a vote on me, go right ahead.

Here; unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy

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Sorry Sasaki, you'll have to find a new puppet. Can we move on from my supposed guilt now? I'm now dead two ways, lynch and duel. Maybe if I survive, I'll murder myself because it's so painfully obvious I couldn't be anything else besides a mafioso.

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In the words of the Immortal Dr. Evil:

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No ATPG, I was gonna vote abstain, but in the lack of a better candidate, and since you are confusing the heck out of me (I'm not sure whether you're Mafia or not), I'd better use my lynch vote on you. If you were innocent, then you were confusing me too much. If you were Mafia, then awesome and we got ourselves a lynch. Since you have a suposed colleague who you refuse to reveal, and provided that he was the one with the kill abillity, and since he isn't being suspected, your death might be good in the long run for your possible Mafia objectives.

I'm honestly too confused but it makes sense to me.

EDIT: Can you tell me how you and/or your colleague ended up knowing beefy was the Tax Collector, then that might be a start. As things are you aren't helping one bit.

I'm revealing who my partner is to the dead person I consider to be the most innocent, Sasaki Kojiro.


Happy now? By the way, see above post.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I'm revealing who my partner is to the dead person I consider to be the most innocent, Sasaki Kojiro.

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You consider Sasaki more innocent than pevergreen? :inquisitive: