The Settlement [Concluded]

[CountArach]

Vote: ATPG

I am true to my word. He has sought out his own goals outside of that of the town (And apparently achieved them) and we cannot be sure that he hasn't got other goals. However, I would still like to hear TinCow's defence and may change my vote based on that.

I find the fact we have 3 kills tonight and 2 on the previous night to be intriguing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No offense taken, CountArach.

Please do recall, I will accept challenges if enough of you want to see me dead. Can I assume both you and Sasaki Kojiro want me to duel someone, then? If a few more people say so, I will accept duel challenges, and you don't have to bother lynching me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I was arguing that Tincows defense of Ares was a normal action for him. His defense was not triggered by Ares's defense but instead by the way we got the information. It is perfectly within Tincows character to question the information in the write up, especially with certain past games were a blind following of the write up lead to a towns defeat. The fact that Tincow defend Ares's right out of the gate further supports that his defense was based off of the delivery of the information. Questioning something that is too good to be true is normal behavior.



IIRC he was voting based on writing style not content, two completely different things.

Yes but this is just the alternate explanation--which always exists. Mafioso is lurking, you say "that's suspicious" he says "busy with real life" etc etc. In my opinion you have to give TinCow the benefit of the doubt on too many things to not vote him today. The tone of his posts--I don't think you are disputing this--are not his usual townie self. So which is more likely, that he was greatly worried at the prospect of the town lynching based off the write up (which again didn't come from the mafia), or that he was worried about his partner being lynched? What do you think about Ares's editing his role pm to make it look like he was a SK? I could care less about the possibility of it being a frame job. If you don't lynch people because they "might be being framed" you'll let mafioso's get away with far to many things.

As always it comes down to a matter of probability and of "best lynch available".

[Sigurd]

All though the writeup says Sasaki got killed, he is not on the list of dead people. Neither is he removed from the list of the living.

[edit]: reading the second thread, I notice that Sasaki indeed is on the dead list. Apparently RR just made a mistake.

From what the players have written, I gather we have two plausible candidates this round.
TinCow who needs to make a defence to Sasaki's accusations and
Yoyoma who is "exposed" by Psychonaut. We need a little more info on that one Psych. You have already exposed yourself as someone with knowledge and will be the target of wary Mafiosi.

[White_eyes:D]

Most curious is
That Ares would so confess
To be a killer.

and Ares said this to being busted???

What can I say, I'm just a real honest person

Yeah sure.....

four things I get from this...
1)Ares choose a bad first day kill. He was busted and was totally screwed.
2)TinCow tried to defend him.....but when things went bad, in order to make it look good, they made slight changes to his real PM and he got thrown under the bus by TinCow.
3)Ares likely was trying to cover TinCow by saying he was a SK.
4)TinCow is clearly his partner or up to no good, his defense of a killer in the write-up is really damning..(I recall Godfather 3 and how I tried to bail out Tevash) and TinCow is not being his "townie self". He normaly NEVER defends anyone the way he did Ares....

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:TinCow for reasons above.

[naut]

Yoyoma who is "exposed" by Psychonaut. We need a little more info on that one Psych. You have already exposed yourself as someone with knowledge and will be the target of wary Mafiosi.

I'll stop stirring my stew to answer you, hey, wait needs more salt and carrots. Notice how down the bottom there's a reference to someone being late since they appear to be drunk. We'll that's got me thinking, and baking; oh gosh these pies are wonderful, just a sprinkle of rosemary. Yes, maybe the discrepancy in kills has something to do with the drunken state of said individuals the next morning? But, I wouldn't have a clue how they got so drunk.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote: TinCow
vote: Yoyoma1910

If this is a foolish mafia stunt, you should be next to go, Psychonaut. But with such a reveal, you won't be surviving the night, I am sure.

My offer to be killed this round stands if someone with a duel greater than 2 challenges me, and you get some supporters. Eliminate me as a suspect, or wait and let the mafia kill me.

[boudica]

ooc:
There is little evidence as such about anyone else at the moment (need to hear more about Psychonaut's reasoning please), but given that ATPG's vote is a pressure vote on TinCow to deal with Sasaki's (persistent???) allegations, I find the fact that White_Eyes:D is jumping on 1) without offering anything more than an agreement and 2) Without TinCow having a chance to respond ...more than a little suspicious.

The write-up reveals two killers we have not seen before - one of them a serial killer? / aligned to a different God ay least. At least it looks like Ares was rather obviously an excellent lynch

While the write up maybe useful to us to refer to, I think we should also still keep an eye out for behaviour during the day also. A certain player spent the first day spoiling for a fight and now seems content to bandwagon. Strikes me as a bit suspicious. For now - at least until TinCow has had a chance to speak I shall
vote: abstain


TinCow: 3 (taka, Askthepizzaguy, White_Eyes:D)
Yoyoma1910: 1 (Psychonaut)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (CountArach)

Abstain: 2 (Lord Winter, boudica)

[Askthepizzaguy]

*nudge* I changed my vote.

[boudica]

. Just missed above 2 posts. What's this about drunkenness...?

update tally:

TinCow: 2 (taka, White_Eyes:D)
Yoyoma1910: 2 (Psychonaut, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (CountArach)

Abstain: 2 (Lord Winter, boudica)

[LittleGrizzly]

I think we are really on the wrong track with the TinCow and Yoyoma lynches

Firstly i didn't believe the accusations against Ares either... i was just a bit later getting to the thread, it did seem far too good to be true, but unless something has happened we don't now about... it was true... hardly TinCow's fault for being cautious...

The Yoyoma lynch is based on him being absent for a night ? not worth a lynch at all

Im going to go for White Eyes based on boudica's reason...willingness to bandwagon... not much consideration.... and a lack of anything better...

Vote White Eyes :D

Also slightly suspicious of ATPG seems easily swayed and a little vote jumping...

[Askthepizzaguy]

There is a strong indication from Psychonaut that he got someone drunk a couple nights ago, effectively blocking them from murdering, and now they reek of the finest spirits (or last night they did) as a telltale sign. So, there are two conclusions:

1. Psychonaut is a roleblocker.
2. Psychonaut is a ballsy, ballsy mafioso.

As such, I say we lynch who he says and see what happens, and if we don't get the desired results... string him up!


@LittleGrizzly

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And White_Eyes is innocent. His earlier mistake which exposed me, and he claimed he didn't even know what a mason was, tells me he wasn't thinking or calculating his moves. No mafia would be that brazen to expose a mason who begs and pleads not to be exposed. No mafia would do insane challenges that early in the game.

LittleGrizzly, I highly disagree with your assessment. But then again, I see things from the perspective of a mason who got exposed by the guy. I cannot see a mafia doing that. But if you don't see what I saw first-hand, maybe you think we are both suspect.



I won't defend White_Eyes, but I will suggest he's probably not mafia. Just like Sasaki being innocent for that little cult ruse he played earlier which exposed me as having a "forked tongue" (the same thing I accused him of, by the way ) I just don't see the mafia doing such provocative behavior which is liable to get them investigated, lynched, or duelled to the death.

It's not proof but I think it's more compelling. And Yoyoma is "exposed" somewhat by Psychonaut's role reveal. I mean, who risks the game on a bluffing role reveal? A townie wouldn't screw over another townie like that, and his own team, who would then have to lynch him for such shenanigans, if he didn't have the role. And if he does have a role, he wouldn't blow his cover when he wasn't at least marginally sure of his results.

You don't have to bandwagon, nor do you have to believe what he just revealed; but I'd say a benefit of the doubt is in order, and as such, Yoyoma needs to be at least pressure voted a little. TinCow is also a candidate because Sasaki is a better analyzer than even me, and he pointed the finger at TinCow's objectively different behavior.

Yak yak yak... in spoilers.

[TinCow]

The point is, TinCow defended Ares very energetically, starting almost immediately after the kills were posted (before it was clear Ares would be lynched). Now, anyone who defends someone who turns out to be scum should looked at carefully, but TinCow raises more eyebrows than that because of the contrast it presents with his usual townie style. Despite strong evidence against Ares in the writeup of the host, he was not cautious or measured at all in his defense of him.

This is entirely correct, I was very energetic in my defense of Ares because I felt like he was being bandwagoned to death. I honestly thought he was innocent until late in the day and I didn't see many other people standing up for him. I try to lynch someone I think is guilty every day. I didn't think Ares was guilty, and as such I had to put in a lot of energy into his defense because there was a lot of energy attacking him.

1) "Ares has probably been framed, which means he's innocent. Thus, anyone is a better choice than Ares." [/U]

Ares probably being framed would mean that he is possibly innocent. Mafia can frame themselves (unlikely), mafia can frame other mafia (possible), and it could in fact not be a frame at all (likely). And, unless TinCow does not consider himself innocent, he should consider Ares a better lynch than himself.

This is silly. I wasn't at threat of being lynched yesterday, so I had no reason to lynch Ares to save myself. I certainly would have done so if it had been necessary, but it wasn't. Since it wasn't necessary, I was free to vote based on my actual feelings of guilt or innocence, not self-preservation.

2) "We don't, plain and simple. This is too good to be true. Therefore it is not. Mafia are not anonymously revealed in first day write-ups."

There is no basis whatsoever for these claims. Ares was anonymously revealed in the write-up, so what basis is there for saying that he must have been framed?

Sorry, but I simply disagree. I've never even heard of a mafioso being anonymously revealed as a mafioso in a write-up. It seems extremely unbalanced to me and thus I thought it had to be a red herring. This has never happened in any game I have ever played or read, so I stand by my statement that this kind of thing doesn't happen. Obviously I can no longer say that, but it was true to my mind at that time.

3) "If that role PM is fake, it was an extremely good forgery."

Multiple people had stated that they were confidant that reenk would have given the mafia fake claims. So TinCow was either ignoring that deliberately, or not being careful and measured.

I was well aware of that, but other people were actively claiming that it was faked. I was refuting their claims as part of my defense of Ares.

To summarize, TinCow acted in a manner very unlike how he acts as town (and how he says he acts as town), in defense of a confessed killer. I think I also see signs of him being annoyed with Ares' being revealed in the writeup on the first day, but this is the kind of thing that triggers my gut, not what I'd use as evidence (because the inevitable defense is nuh-uh, and I can't claim to read minds). However, I think if you take a look at his posts you'd see why I think that.

If you say so. All I did was defend someone I thought was being railroaded to an early grave. No one should be bandwagoned without discussion, especially not on a 'serious' first day, and I didn't see a whole lot of other people discussing it.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Thoughts...

1) I find it interesting that two scribes were offed within two days by a person/persons incapable of writing. This would indicate either the murder was an untutored member of the lower-class, or more likely in my view, an adherent of reading as a virtue... *shudder*

2) Regarding Tincow, personally I think its much ado about nothing. One thing I have noticed about him over the past couple of games is a tendency to advocate for suspects when a bandwagon is in the process of forming. Personally reading through after Aries reveal (although in ignorance of it at the time) I thought he made some very good points. By all means if you think he's guilty vote for him, but not exclusively, and not by a huge margin...

3) If present theory is correct regarding Psychonaut, then Yoyama has questions to answer. Would be my top candidate at this time.

'Khann too has me on edge, but need to double check something before I take that any further.

[Andres]

This is entirely correct, I was very energetic in my defense of Ares because I felt like he was being bandwagoned to death. I honestly thought he was innocent until late in the day and I didn't see many other people standing up for him. I try to lynch someone I think is guilty every day. I didn't think Ares was guilty, and as such I had to put in a lot of energy into his defense because there was a lot of energy attacking him.

What is interesting, is the fact that you rigorously (does that word exist in English?) defended him. Why was his survival so important to you? If you were sure he was innocent, then why not looking for another suspect and trying to convince town to lynch that suspect?

What you did now, was defending one suspect and you had no reasons to be 100 % sure of that suspects' innocence.

The main question is, why was defending Ares so important?

This is silly. I wasn't at threat of being lynched yesterday, so I had no reason to lynch Ares to save myself. I certainly would have done so if it had been necessary, but it wasn't. Since it wasn't necessary, I was free to vote based on my actual feelings of guilt or innocence, not self-preservation.

That's entirely unrelated to what you quoted from Sasaki

Sorry, but I simply disagree. I've never even heard of a mafioso being anonymously revealed as a mafioso in a write-up. It seems extremely unbalanced to me and thus I thought it had to be a red herring.

I think the write-up was obvious enough. Interpretatio cessat in claris

This has never happened in any game I have ever played or read, so I stand by my statement that this kind of thing doesn't happen. Obviously I can no longer say that, but it was true to my mind at that time.

Monsieur is a conservative?

I was well aware of that, but other people were actively claiming that it was faked. I was refuting their claims as part of my defense of Ares.

If you say so. All I did was defend someone I thought was being railroaded to an early grave. No one should be bandwagoned without discussion, especially not on a 'serious' first day, and I didn't see a whole lot of other people discussing it.

Yes, but the emphasis was too much on the defense of Ares. That in combination with the fact that Ares made it clear with his unnecessary second reveal that he was indeed scum.

Your strong defense of Ares, in the proces not paying attention to other possible suspects and the fact that Ares was as good as certain scum, make you look very suspicious.

Vote : TinCow

ATPG, do you have something to do with the dead of Beefy187, the tax collector? IIRC, I read somewhere that you claimed that your victory condition was to outlive the tax collector.

[TinCow]

Ok, write-up analysis time. There is some interesting info in this one.

Gaius Scribonius Curio was a scribe like TheFlax, though the way the write-up describes it, they did not know each other. The kill was done in exactly the same way as TheFlax: knife into the neck. This makes it likely that it was the same person who made the kill. While this is probably a coincidence, it is odd that this killer has murdered two scribes on successive nights.

Sasaki was walking back to his tent in the write-up, indicating that he was out and active. This indicates that Sasaki had a role. Sasaki himself claims he was a doctor:

hmm, I was this close to choosing to protect beefy last night.

There may be some truth to this, because the killer says that Sasaki had "healing abilities." However, it is stated in a manner that indicates that Sasaki could use those abilities on himself, which is not typical of a doctor. Instead, this seems like a reference to a battle ability or some other kind of unusual immunity to death. Sasaki is also apparently a servent of Kefy, which is a new god we have not heard of before. However, the killer names himself as Pisuf, who we have already heard about. Pisuf was the god of pevergreen, whose ability in death revealed his own murderer. pevergreen's ability on face value appears to be pro-town oriented, which would indicate a pro-town orientation for Pisuf as well. This is very consistent with the following conversation between Kefy and OsiOsi, in which OsiOsi (our known good god) says:

OsiOsi replied calmly: "Enough Kefy, you and Vode complain too much when your puny servants are foiled. You know I have little love for Pisuf, but he is doing important work and has impressed me with his decisions. I am not going to punish him because he feels the need to kill some of your agents."

This is very strong evidence that Kefy is evil and an ally of Vode. This would make Sasaki also evil and his death then takes on the appearance of a vigilante kill. Based on the appearance of Pisuf in that write-up as well, I think it is reasonable to assume that all four gods (OsiOsi, Pisuf, Vode, Kefy) are actually players in the game.

Finally, we have Beefy's death. He appears to have been the taxman. ATPG knew who the taxman was and said that he wanted him dead. While there is nothing in that write-up to show that ATPG was the killer, it seems likely that ATPG either killed him directly, or gave his identity out to someone who did kill him. Either way, ATPG is either a killer or is in contact with someone who is a killer. Therefore:

Vote: ATPG

ATPG, if you did not kill Beefy, perhaps you would like to let us know who else knew about his identity?

[CountArach]

What is interesting, is the fact that you rigorously (does that word exist in English?) defended him.

Yep, indeed it does.

Why was his survival so important to you? If you were sure he was innocent, then why not looking for another suspect and trying to convince town to lynch that suspect?

I'm not sure this is a valid attack of TinCow to be honest. Defending someone you consider innocent is just as valid as attacking someone you consider guilty. Now, was the evidence stacked in favour of Ares being guilty? Yes, absolutely. However, claiming that defending an innocent is counter-productive is the sort of play that doesn't really get us anywhere.

I'm not entirely sure TinCow is guilty myself. The entire case is based off of his defence of Ares. Now, if the two of them were Mafia, I think TinCow would hang Ares willingly with the realisation that defending someone who is practically guaranteed to be guilty is a sure-fire way of getting attention draw to yourself. I find it implausible to suggest this is WIFOM.

Something to mull over with ATPG though is his apparent missing of the evidence that Ares was guilty at the start of the first day phase. He was going his own way for a bit, perhaps in an effort to deflect away from it? Then again I may just be searching for evidence where there is none. Still, it seems very un-ATPG to me. But I also don't think ATPG is worthy of the lynch (He convinced me of as much over MSN), instead someone with a higher challenge rating should challenge him to a duel. If he refuses, we can lynch him later...

Unvote: ATPG
Vote: Abstain - at least for now...

[Reenk Roink]

All though the writeup says Sasaki got killed, he is not on the list of dead people. Neither is he removed from the list of the living.
[edit]: reading the second thread, I notice that Sasaki indeed is on the dead list. Apparently RR just made a mistake.

This was a mistake. Sorry.

[TinCow]

Further ponderings:

Previously, Sasaki said he attempted to see if ATPG was scummy by pretending to be:

I'm a cultist bent on destroying the town

I win by killing everyone except my recruits.

In hindsight, seeing as Sasaki apparently worshiped an evil god, this might actually have been true. This is, IMHO, an unbelievably brilliant play. What better way to cover your own butt than to intentionally volunteer your own role, but in a manner that is seen as a pro-town bluff rather than a true reveal? If he was really recruiting, this would also be a useful means of getting the word out to potential recruits without revealing himself. Anyone who knew to look for a recruiter would instantly know to contact Sasaki, yet the town would not lynch him for it.

Also, regarding yoyoma, it does indeed appear that he was blocked on a night when there were two kills. One of these was Ares, so we essentially have two new killers last night. One of these IMO is a vigilante kill on Sasaki, and the other is the death of the taxman. This would indicate that yoyoma was either a vigilante or the killer of the taxman. ATPG can probably clear this up for us, as he should know who knew about Beefy's role. ATPG: did yoyoma know that beefy was the taxman?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...............

I believe our host has set us all up for one of a ride.* There's too much wool and too few eyes all the way around.


Sasaki seems the doctor, and is killed by a supernatural. He makes a good case against Tincow -- whose tone WAS different on day one, though his pattern (double-checking bandwagons, lloking for responses) is more or less normal.

Tincow makes a good case that Sasaki's goddess was not necessarily on a good guy team, so Sasaki's killer may not be a bad guy (though I read Sasaki's killer as being there for his own reasons and NOT caring about the town either way).

The Knife Killer with the disturbing interest in writing implements has killed a scribe and a writer in as many days. Methinks our resident poet had best look to his defense!

Pizza said he wanted a tax collector dead before he went. He has, now, apparently had his wish granted. Pizza, you seem to be PMing all and sundry, did you I.D. the Beefster via PM exchange? With a dead tax collector, that part of your mission is fulfilled, no?

Our cook stirs up headaches that get in the way? Or so it seems.

Our Village Idiot had a "Gotcha" tracer on him for vengeance against whomever aced him?

Ares confessed to being an S/K....as his defense?....


Riddles, wrapped in enigmas, stuffed into conundra. Reenk, you should be beaten about the head and neck.*


* Note: this griping should be translated as high praise to a host who has given us quite a challenge

Vote: Abstain whilst I consider further

[Yoyoma1910]

Three kills tonight, oh yes'm, by all the pie and apple crumble in my kitchen I hereby vote Yoyoma1910. Seems, I might say, you were too busy hitting the sauce two nights ago to perform your devious actions; yes the devious, most horrid action you undertook last night.

Actually, young man, I think you should read that line a little better and more completely.

I further say that you would be foolish to vote for this decent man... he of the metal cow.

I would even further say I was quite right that the poor Tax Collector was simply a man who worked for our society, perhaps too well. I am suspicious of those who wished him dead.

[naut]

Actually, young man, I think you should read that line a little better and more completely.

Don't take me too seriously, I was just trying to get a reaction from you. And anyway it is easy to confirm whether you were actually active or not.

[Yoyoma1910]

I too find the Tax Collector's death a bit sad and suspicious.


Is it a vendetta fulfilled?


vote: ATPG

[Yoyoma1910]

Repost to make it a legal vote


Vote: ATPG

[LittleGrizzly]

Those who suspect the Ares TinCow link... there is one HUGE flaw in your logic...

Why the hell would Ares confess after TinCow defended him, surely Ares would warn his mafia buddies if he was to do something like a confession, and TinCow would have probably instantly vetoed any decision to confess...

It simply doesn't work that TinCow would allow such a strategy as it is obviously counter productive and puts him in a bad light...

I also defended Ares on the logic that it was too good to be true, does that mean i am guilty as well ?

GH himself is also not sure....

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=333

¨Unvote: Ares
Vote: FactionHeir

Don't like it.¨

Yoyoma isn't sure

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=339

It is true that the gentleman known as Ares may have been framed, but it is also quite possible that he is guilty of the murder of this poor, simple farmer. Have any of you a better way of finding the truth than mere speculation?


So me Tincow GH and Yoyoma are all on the same mafia team as ares... and thats why we were trying to save our buddy....

Or maybe there isn't some super over powered mafia team and it is perfectly acceptable to look at the write up and say its too good to be true... its generally a good rule to follow... if people had followed it in Midgaard II then the town would never have lost...

[seireikhaan]

These new events strikes me as awry.
That so many in one night would die.
I hope less die in vain
And so I shall Abstain
The town has dear need of an ally.

[seireikhaan]

I am most confused
LittleGrizzly is correct
Yet TinCow was strange.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, do you have something to do with the dead of Beefy187, the tax collector? IIRC, I read somewhere that you claimed that your victory condition was to outlive the tax collector.

Not in the slightest. I don't have night kill ability, and if I did, I wouldn't use it on a townie.

I know, right now, at this moment, I look like a jerk because I said a mason victory condition was to outlast the Tax Collector. Unfortunately beefy187 did leave clues here in the thread, and after I said the masons would like to outlast him, someone decided they would also like to see him go and destroyed him. That's after I decided to drop my vendetta against him and keep his identity a secret.

If I were mafia, I just pulled one of the dumbest moves known to man; tell someone I want them dead, and then kill them. I beg your indulgence for a moment: I am not that stupid. I take calculated risks, not ones which will ruin my already fragile credibility. If you ask Beefy187, he would even tell you that I am innocent in this matter. Just very, very bad timing is all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh for the love of monkeys. I just read these accusations against me.

spoilered to keep the thread clean.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Fellows. Seriously. I know I post a lot, and it's annoying, but do read my posts. Yes, the masons had an objective to outlast the Tax Collector. But when I stated this, there was an anti-Pizzaguy backlash because I was risking the game on a pro-mason side objective. Then I go and kill the Tax Collector??? As a MAFIA???? I offered to die via a duel anyway. Please, for the love of crumbs, read my offer, accept my offer, don't waste a valuable lynch on ME when we have a pro-town role revealing the idea that he might have found one of the killers.

At least, at least, at least, AT LEAST make sure both of us are dead, not just me. Seriously. And would you, please, just once, throw poor old pizzaguy a bone known as the benefit of the doubt?

It seems, as I said earlier, no matter what I do, no matter how risky or suicidal my play, no matter how much I really stick my neck out there for the town, I always must be guilty, even though the odds of me being guilty are the same as yours. And in this game, my innocence is all but PROVEN by the fact that I fell for Sasaki's ruse; PROVEN by the fact that I revealed as a Mason when I didn't HAVE to (but panicked and did anyway), PROVEN by the fact that I protected the identity of Beefy even when it was my mission to outlast him, and PROVEN by the fact that I volunteered to die on the first round, and on this round, via a duel that I couldn't possibly win, to prove my innocence and not waste a lynch.

If you STILL think I am scum, why not show me some respect for these otherwise ballsy and brilliant scummy maneuvers? I seriously could never come up with anything this outrageous or extraordinary. And you guys always spot me so quickly if I am the mafia. If there's a doubt in your mind that I am the mafia, listen to it. The doubt is right. I'll post my full role PM, not that it matters since it can be forged.

Well I could, if I hadn't deleted it for a second time due to my inbox being full from all the mafia games I am hosting and all the communications I had between myself and my partner, who I am dying to reveal to you because I am suspicious of him. He's the only one I told Beefy's identity to, and as I told Sasaki; I no longer buy that even if I am innocent, that makes him innocent. But on the hope that I haven't been royally screwed over, and because I like to give people the benefit of the doubt until they've had a chance to explain themselves, I won't be betraying my partner and revealing him to all of you right now. Give me a day or two to determine his innocence or guilt myself, and if my suspicions go unresolved, I'll give him to you.

So, if Reenk could beg my indulgence and send that role PM a third time...

My inbox just got increased to 400, so I can keep it this time.