Well, sure. But even if I didn’t know, I’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party.
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Originally Posted by Logic
But why?
At the very least, a townie shares your win condition. A neutral has his or her own win condition, and if the opportunity arises to for them to win by making you lose, they will take it.
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Townies have to lose, by definition. Survivors don't. Of course it's a risk, but as the most fundamental risk is to the Survivor, live-and-let-live is a valid mutual strategy to pursue.
BSmith meant that he’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party as scum.
The whole discussion can probably be put to rest, it seems like a pointless digression.
05-25-2017, 13:45
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
BSmith meant that he’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party as scum.
Yes
Quote:
The whole discussion can probably be put to rest, it seems like a pointless digression.
Yes
05-25-2017, 14:00
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
I'm at risk. Where is Kemmler?
05-25-2017, 14:10
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Vote: Choxorn
Prefer him over the Monty lynch, but I really like novice's 626 questioning Barto and wouldn't mind a much closer look at him and his activities.
05-25-2017, 14:27
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
List ordered from town to scum, not sorted within tiers.
SeveringViper
Sooh
Csargo
Manasi
novice
Monty
El Barto
---town line---
Raith Kemmler
BSmith
Champ
Logic
---null line---
Jabbz
Choxorn
autolycus
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Comments:
Viper and Sooh have been active, asking good questions, generally townread, and have good tone. I feel like they're trying to solve and have no real reason to suspect either of them.
I believe in Manasi's derp, and she's looked fine otherwise. Hope she survives.
I know I said I can't read Monty but he's still generally twigging my town sensors instead of the other way around.
As for Barto, I know I just said I wanted more pressure on him but then I remembered that he softed his poisoning of Manasi at the start of D2 and feel like that's not something mafia does so it makes me feel a decent bit better about him. The choice of poisoning was definitely a WTF move but I feel like that's more in Barto's town range than the softing was in his scum range.
The nulls are the nulls. Raith's posts in particular just haven't made much of an impression on me but that might be a "me" problem.
On the BSmith/autolycus dichotomy: BSmith has claimed limited time, but has spent his time in the thread doing things that look alright. Would still like to see him go on offense at some point. As for auto, he has *not* claimed limited time and has skated by using generally poor reasoning, if any at all. He's my preferred lynch today and if there's movement on him before I leave for the weekend I will happily flip back to auto.
05-25-2017, 14:35
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
I remembered that he softed his poisoning of Manasi at the start of D2 and feel like that's not something mafia does so it makes me feel a decent bit better about him.
It's something Pizza did a couple of games ago, where he was scum with Barto. And pseudo-serious Barto sure is strange.
05-25-2017, 14:36
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
It's something Pizza did a couple of games ago, where he was scum with Barto. And pseudo-serious Barto sure is strange.
Futuramafia?
That was ATPG though, I'll have to check the Quicktopic to see how much of an emphasis Pizza put on it. Hmm.
05-25-2017, 14:41
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Futuramafia?
That was ATPG though, I'll have to check the Quicktopic to see how much of an emphasis Pizza put on it. Hmm.
Not Futuramafia, possibly Visor's small game (Pizza was scum in what seems like 20 games in a row in 2016 so I could be wrong but still start here). Checking the QT now.
05-25-2017, 14:44
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Okay as per this QT, Pizza and Barto have a discussion on the concept of breadcrumbing in the 30-50 range. Move Barto down one tier, maybe two on my list.
05-25-2017, 15:02
Csargo
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Yeah I think your Raith vote is OK. Choxorn, RK and Autolycus are all plausible lynches today. El Barto has a towny tone but I don't understand his thinking, his actions just seem antitown to me.
This is the most dangerous Barto. Generally his tone is somewhere in between, this is far more serious than I would expect. We'll see what happens, but it is cause for concern imo. Though I wouldn't call it inherently scummy, more observation is needed.
05-25-2017, 15:38
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Monty, do you still want to vote me?
05-25-2017, 15:41
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Is that a threat?
Unvote: GH; Vote: Raith Kemmler
:sad3:
05-25-2017, 15:56
Champ
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters
05-25-2017, 16:07
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ
Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters
A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.
05-25-2017, 16:11
Champ
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
at least el barto kept his promise
05-25-2017, 17:06
Sooh
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Yeah I think your Raith vote is OK. Choxorn, RK and Autolycus are all plausible lynches today. El Barto has a towny tone but I don't understand his thinking, his actions just seem antitown to me.
Can you fill this out with examples, please?
05-25-2017, 17:10
Sooh
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Champ? If you're somehow still around, please come play and make reads and such. It's not D1 anymore, so it's possible to read stuff now!
05-25-2017, 17:16
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Examples of what?
Poisoning Manasi is antitown.
The tone read is hard to exemplify or verbalize. The "Enjoy my poison while I cook this pasta, this will clear three players" attitude just comes across as towny. It's just so brazen if scum.
05-25-2017, 17:19
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Examples of what?
Poisoning Manasi is antitown.
The tone read is hard to exemplify or verbalize. The "Enjoy my poison while I cook this pasta, this will clear three players" attitude just comes across as towny. It's just so brazen if scum.
Barto's pretty brazen as scum.
05-25-2017, 17:20
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.
What does this mean?
05-25-2017, 17:34
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Barto's pretty brazen as scum.
I've gathered, which is why I'm concerned with his actions, and why I want El Barto to explain his thinking.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Champ
Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
What does this mean?
You can't post just "Hi", the forum software requires you to include at least three letters in a post. You'd have to be a hardcore lurker (or a programmer) to know that, was my joke.
05-25-2017, 17:39
Csargo
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Probably won't be around much EoD, because of work. Still think Chox is the scummiest player itt, so I'm leaving my vote on him.
05-25-2017, 17:44
Sooh
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Csargo
Probably won't be around much EoD, because of work. Still think Chox is the scummiest player itt, so I'm leaving my vote on him.
I don't mind people voting Chox. It's him or Raith for me. Staying on Raith to keep the option open, at least a while longer.
05-25-2017, 17:47
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
You can't post just "Hi", the forum software requires you to include at least three letters in a post. You'd have to be a hardcore lurker (or a programmer) to know that, was my joke.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
faa
Oh?
05-25-2017, 18:10
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Yup
05-25-2017, 18:16
BSmith
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
unvote; vote: Barto I'm fine putting some pressure on here. Barto is damn near impossible to read, but the change in his tone this game, along with the seemingly odd choice of poisoning target earns my vote for now.
I'm around for one more hour before I leave if people want to ask me something.
05-25-2017, 19:28
Champ
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
I've gathered, which is why I'm concerned with his actions, and why I want El Barto to explain his thinking.
You can't post just "Hi", the forum software requires you to include at least three letters in a post. You'd have to be a hardcore lurker (or a programmer) to know that, was my joke.
i tried writing hi and it said i needed 3 characters