Sorceror 17er Game Thread

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

@Sleep: why? (what did u find towny?)

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gut! im sorry thats an underwhelming answer but the general feel was ah hm okay, these are thoughts i can see a villager having

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Originally Posted by Dobby

i kinda agree with this fwiw and i think cuth's posts have looked pretty towny for cuth

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can u give me a little more on this?

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Originally Posted by Sleep

i mean, hm, that is more or less true to an extent. the thing is, im a very instinctual/gutty player who atruggles with more in-depth analysis, when i do something like that im trying to express the things that pinged mein an explicable form. i believe that direct pressure is a useful tool for reading people, because it forces reactions both from the person being pressured and other observers. i think if the read is expressd in a tepid, half-hearted way ("oh it's just a gut read"), that is significantly more likely to get ignored and i dont want to be ignored.

now the danger of pushing so aggressively like this is getting confirmation biased, and im well aware of that, ive fallen into that trap many times before. so sort of recognize what ur saying to me here. however, i dont really want to...force myself into looking at his posts and telling myself how they could be villagery. what i am doing is trying to question him and see if i can find reasoning that seems villagy from him, and remaining open to hearing the perspective of others who are reading him as a villager, and trying to understand why. right now im about to take a look at his iso in the game katze mentioned to see if its simiar (altho i have grumbles about meta i wont get into here)

im not going to lie, i still find a lot of the stuff hes done wolfy but right now im in the process of broadening my view of the game rather than continuing to harp on cape

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That makes sense, and i recognise myself a lot in that as well. Issue for me is that when i read that kind of post it becomes more of a "this is either someone intentionally not trying to solve, or theyve just written a big fat wall confbiasing which i will only read to make up my mind on the one that wrote it, and not to be affected by the actual contents of it"

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however, i dont really want to...force myself into looking at his posts and telling myself how they could be villagery. what i am doing is trying to question him and see if i can find reasoning that seems villagy from him, and remaining open to hearing the perspective of others who are reading him as a villager, and trying to understand why.

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the issue with this for me is that you make it sort of... a backwards way of solving the game? It's like if i said Sleep is wolf, i'm 100% sure prove me wrong and it's... not a way of solving that makes sense to me, but i mean, i accept that it exists i guess.

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

I'm not, I was referring to 119 which is a short response to you.

I don't think the wall was at all natural, that's my issue with it.

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ah that makes way more sense

vote: raskolnikov

also hi dobby <3

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Originally Posted by Sleep

can u give me a little more on this?

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imma throw GUT right back at ya here :P

But honestly, the content and the approach to the game is mainly what stands out. It's hard to exactly put my finger on, but posts like #79, #222, #256, and recently in my catchp 460 and 463 and just... authentic/geniune flow to them which I think is less prominent in his wolfing. His posts are not packed with content but it's enough to make me feel like yeah he's keeping track of stuff and progressing things in his way. He is one of my stronger townreads (i hadnt gotten to 460/463 when i wrote that post fwiw) tbh

meh idk on cape :wall:

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Originally Posted by zack

is it crazy if I say this feels like a w/w interaction? :crazy:

this is weaksauce for two people who supposedly suspect the other

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just skimming rask posts, i think he believes in them and they're genuine thoughts but i dont like agree with a fair few of them though

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Originally Posted by zack

see, this is the kind of sequence I like

it shows that he was thinking about the game and people's alignments behind the scenes, and was able to quickly prove it with receipts. Didn't make some grandiose post(s) in the thread announcing his switch on Cuth, but gave a solid earthy explanation of what changed his read when asked.

that said if cuth is a wolf it maybe looks bad for cape

like I said earlier, I could be wrong on Cape but he keeps posting thiings that I find villagy and I'm not seeing the issue with his posts

:creep:

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the receipts are like... emojis, and talk about his wife, come on

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Originally Posted by Dobby

just skimming rask posts, i think he believes in them and they're genuine thoughts but i dont like agree with a fair few of them though



the receipts are like... emojis, and talk about his wife, come on

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wait that was zack not rask, i was trolled by the yellowish pics

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Originally Posted by Dobby

the issue with this for me is that you make it sort of... a backwards way of solving the game? It's like if i said Sleep is wolf, i'm 100% sure prove me wrong and it's... not a way of solving that makes sense to me, but i mean, i accept that it exists i guess.

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idk, maybe i am not making myself clear here, i really do find him sus, i continue to find the stuff he says sus, but i am aware of the possibility i could be wrong (as i often am). i really am continuing to evaluate his posts tho and i think outside perspective on him is more valuable than, like, forcing my thinking into a particular mold

like if i wanted to keep hammering on it i could say i dont like his wolfreads either but im sure no one wants to hear it! so im doing other stuff

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Originally Posted by ladd

I read a couple of monty games on this forums and he seems to have no problems posting as a wolf. can the orgers elaborate on why they think he is a wolf from his 3 posts?

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less verbose, less content about the game, and just sort of here but not doing anything. It's not like absolute 100% a woof, because any number of things could be happening. I just want to see if Monty shows up and does anything, and my vote there seems good at the present.

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Originally Posted by Dobby

just skimming rask posts, i think he believes in them and they're genuine thoughts but i dont like agree with a fair few of them though



the receipts are like... emojis, and talk about his wife, come on

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???

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Originally Posted by zack

???

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you are rask now



imma post a List ina bit but apparently i need to go to church to save my soul so

I think we need to start talking about consolidating.

Who's actually likely to go over today?

1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
4. Ladd
5. Winston Hughes
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
8. Csargo
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
13. monstrbro
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Zack no, bennah... probably not though I can't off the top of my head recall anyone strongly reading bennah one way or another.

Cuth, probably not, some strong voices townread.

Ladd... interesting but I don't realistically think that's ever happening D1 here.

Winston... could see this being a LHF compromise type thing I guess? Possible.

Rask, possible

Me, not happening

Csargo, maaaaybe but kind of a long shot IMO

Ender, maybe

Sunbae, probably not happening

Monte, sure

Dobby, jury's out, see how people react to the catchup. I tend to think not.

Monster, uhhhh yeah moving on

Katz, probably not happening

Sleep, would probably be the spiciest D1 lynch that's actually on the table.

Cape, not actually sure. Can't recall what thread sentiment is on this guy.

HK, outside shot maybe

That leaves us with what, Winston/Rask/Monte as the "taking the easy way out" type options, with Monte being like the pure shot in the dark. and the two C names, Ender, and outside shot of Sleep/HK as the more information heavy but harder kills?

Does that roughly match other people's takes on thread sentiment? Open question. Feels like it's about time to get the ball rolling though.

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Originally Posted by Dobby

imma throw GUT right back at ya here :P

But honestly, the content and the approach to the game is mainly what stands out. It's hard to exactly put my finger on, but posts like #79, #222, #256, and recently in my catchp 460 and 463 and just... authentic/geniune flow to them which I think is less prominent in his wolfing. His posts are not packed with content but it's enough to make me feel like yeah he's keeping track of stuff and progressing things in his way. He is one of my stronger townreads (i hadnt gotten to 460/463 when i wrote that post fwiw) tbh

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fair enuf! i feel like we have very different views of the game but i respect the meta familiarity perspective ur coming from here

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Originally Posted by zack

meh idk on cape :wall:

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aye

unvote

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

Winston... could see this being a LHF compromise type thing I guess? Possible.

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:deal:

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

Does that roughly match other people's takes on thread sentiment? Open question. Feels like it's about time to get the ball rolling though.

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forget the consolidation talk - who do you actually want to kill?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

:deal:

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Sorry man lol. Just reading the tea leaves, not saying anything about you as a player.

some people i had townie have been looking scummier

some people i had scummy have been looking townier

most of you are pretty much null right now

i'm not sure i know how to play this game anymore

:titanic:

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Originally Posted by Sleep

forget the consolidation talk - who do you actually want to kill?

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Hmmm, you know I'd never thought of that. I guess I'll just drop this whole thing that I was interested in and wanted to talk about, and go over something I've already talked about and am kind of bored with? Yeah that sounds like a good use of my time.

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Originally Posted by Newcomb

Sorry man lol. Just reading the tea leaves, not saying anything about you as a player.

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you misunderstand me

i know exactly where i am

i'm saying bring it on

vote: Newcomb

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

i'm not sure i know how to play this game anymore

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Originally Posted by Sleep

vote: Newcomb

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Vote: Hollowkatt

Vote: Hollowkatt

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Vote: Hollowkatt

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i still like hk

can you point me to why you don't?

(and apologies for my slackness if you already did)

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

i still like hk

can you point me to why you don't?

(and apologies for my slackness if you already did)

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I had some posts but am on phone now and out so won't til eod, but generally the biggest feeling of "I don't believe that this is what he believes" in the game

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Originally Posted by Dobby

I had some posts but am on phone now and out so won't til eod, but generally the biggest feeling of "I don't believe that this is what he believes" in the game

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so it's mostly gut?