Daggers in the Night [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Not really, no.

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So two kills all game, and random nooby mafia roles were lynch immune? Pretty overpowered.

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Originally Posted by Secura

It was as I stated though; Diana was Naib and thus immune to being killed, and the mafia had to vote to remove the ability from her.

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Mafia could have been elected Naib themselves. Doesn't mean anything, especially as the naib kept changing through people.

He has a point; Kagemusha escaped lynch twice... as town, it does feel like a bit of a cop-out that we tried to lynch a slave twice and failed.

The town made two assumptions really that lost the game for us; the assumption that Kagemusha's claims to be the Ancient One were correct (rather than the WIFOM that it was) and a belief that Diamondeye was innocent as a replacement player.

Mafia had one vote switch for the entire game, I think Cain did the first one.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Mafia had one vote switch for the entire game, I think Cain did the first one.

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So you had 4 mafia, two vote switches, a godfather who was immune unless his slaves were dead, constant two kills through the entire game, etc.

All we had was some "naib" which the mafia could be elected into, which just means they were night-kill immune, and had a possible 2 random vigs. no doctors, no role blockers, no detectives, or anything.

3 mafia, one vote switch and who said Godfather was immune? Cain was not part of the mafia, I'm not sure of his exact alignment.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

So you had 4 mafia, two vote switches, a godfather who was immune unless his slaves were dead, constant two kills through the entire game, etc.

All we had was some "naib" which the mafia could be elected into, which just means they were night-kill immune, and had a possible 2 random vigs.

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All in good time. Just a bit of hint.Kukri wasnt exactly friendly towards our team.Neither was the master lynch immune.You just bought that package.EDIT: Our first master beat me to it.:bow:

A few questions:
Why was Kage unlynchable? (NM, posted before I saw the next page)
How was DE able to kill while a slave was still alive?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Why was Kage unlynchable?

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He wasn't; Kukrikhan was responsible for the Beskar lynch by the looks of it, and Diamondeye likely saved Kagemusha from the second lynch by switching him with Scienter.

It seems that none of them were immune to lynches.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

A few questions:
Why was Kage unlynchable?
How was DE able to kill while a slave was still alive?

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I wasnt. My lynch was redirected once by Kukri. I guess he wanted to frame me after i kept screaming i was done so. Second time DE did it, while you bought my story that i was indeed the ancient one.Second DE only gained his reanimation skill once Kukri was a goner. Remember the nights with one kill?

The vampire had one kill, any others carried a high risk of being uncovered. When both his minions were gone he could kill freely then, this changed when kukri was gone as Kage has already said.

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Originally Posted by Secura

a belief that Diamondeye was innocent as a replacement player.

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That one I don't think anyone should feel shame about. Very, very few people get replaced while mafia. In addition, it's much harder to spot a mafioso in such a situation because there's no posting history in the early part of the game to go on. Just because DE was mafia here doesn't mean we should start lynching replacement players in the future. It's the exception, not the rule.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

So Kagemusha was not the ancient vampire nor was he the secret role.

Overpowered much?

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I'll post the game mechanics tonight, but mafia certainly wasn't overpowered.

Town has had 11 lynches, 2 vigs, one protection each night vs. 1 GF who was neither lynch or vig immune, 2 slaves (not vig immune and also not lynch immune (there was the switch ability, only to be used once by GF1 (Nikolaos) and twice by GF2 (secret role Cain, who started the game all alone) and a "reserve GF" who was also neither lynch or vig immune. Both GF's had to take out the other one (cross kills).

Also 36 townies and 4 bad guys (who were not on the same team and the "big" bad guys had to kill the other "big" bad guy). So no, not really overpowered.

Sour loser much?

Awesome, amazing for the mafia to use a minor vote switching ability and a little luck (Kukri sparing Kage) to convince the town that Kage was immune to the lynch and convince the Naib that he was immune to the vig. Well played, guys. Just goes to show how much can be done with limited resources. :bow:

Regarding the slaves, Andres asked me to choose four names and he randomised two for the slaves. I choose Romanic, Kage, Diana and Secura. Romanic as he was probably the only "new" player in the game, Kage and Diana as I have been in quite a few games with both but don't think we have ever communicated in thread or via pm and Secura as she always give me the impression she hates being scum (and it would have amused me to make her kill Beskar:laugh4:). Interesting that all four played big roles in the game anyway.

Well played Diamondeye, you took the role and did better than I would have. I was disappointed at having to drop but it was great to see you do such a great job. :2thumbsup:

And the two slaves played great games too, well done guys.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Sour loser much?

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That was low and unnessecary. You cannot fault my perception of a situation where it was seen as overpowered, which where you quoted, the knowledge that a simple slave was lynch immune since it failed twice, and ended up killing townies at their choice. Has nothing to do with being a sore loser.

Good game, the players both town and mafia put in quite a lot of effort to win. Great move by the mafia, it got us all in a twist :laugh4:

And thank you to Andres, it was awesome that your game was my comeback game to the .org, it was very fun, and thoroughly enjoyable, we will all be sad to see you leave :bow:

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Originally Posted by Beskar

You cannot fault my perception of a situation where it was seen as overpowered, which where you quoted, the knowledge that a simple slave was lynch immune since it failed twice, and ended up killing townies at their choice. Has nothing to do with being a sore loser.

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You can fault your implied criticism of the host when you knew you didn't have the full facts though.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

That was low and unnessecary. You cannot fault my perception of a situation where it was seen as overpowered, which where you quoted, the knowledge that a simple slave was lynch immune since it failed twice, and ended up killing townies at their choice. Has nothing to do with being a sore loser.

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Its not our fault you bought it. Where is your sense of humour Beskie?I doubt that Andres was very serious in his comment.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

That was low and unnessecary. You cannot fault my perception of a situation where it was seen as overpowered, which where you quoted, the knowledge that a simple slave was lynch immune since it failed twice, and ended up killing townies at their choice. Has nothing to do with being a sore loser.

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When a game ends, before all else, both sides should congratulate each other with their play and thank the host.

I'm sorry, maybe it's because I'm still annoyed at what happened at the end of the Star Wars game. I hope people whining about the game being unbalanced and unfair and yadda yadda before all the game mechanics have been revealed is not going to become a trend in the GR.

Lessons in etiquette, by Andres, shamelessly copy/pasted posts from other people and presenting it as if he wrote it himself:

Example of what you should post at the end of a large mafia game:

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Good game, the players both town and mafia put in quite a lot of effort to win. Great move by the mafia, it got us all in a twist :laugh4:

And thank you to Andres, it was awesome that your game was my comeback game to the .org, it was very fun, and thoroughly enjoyable, we will all be sad to see you leave :bow:

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:bow:

Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/usiCduxJCrhVu

You're just retiring from hosting, not playing right Andres? Thanks for the game, and thanks for the Godfather role. You weren't being serious here were you?

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Originally Posted by Andres

Andres: "oh! Somebody posted in my game! I hope he's enjoying himself and is having fun. Let's see what he has to say!"



:mean:

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You can never tell with you Belgians...

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Originally Posted by Secura

He has a point; Kagemusha escaped lynch twice... as town, it does feel like a bit of a cop-out that we tried to lynch a slave twice and failed.

The town made two assumptions really that lost the game for us; the assumption that Kagemusha's claims to be the Ancient One were correct (rather than the WIFOM that it was) and a belief that Diamondeye was innocent as a replacement player.

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So I was right about Kagemusha being a slave, anyway. JHT -- not really pleased, since your move came late enough in the game you knew full well the assumptions that were going around about replacement players and consciously took advanteage of that. It feels like a bit too much.

Romanic -- very strong job in defending yourself with no signs of nerves; I certainly won't leave the loopholes in your logic unchallenged a second time. You being mafia (as well as Kage in fact being a slave -- nice move) makes me feel considerably better about your victory.

The balancing, and the set-up in general: meh. Not interested in complaining about it. It was a good game. Thank you, Andres.

It would be nice to win one outright once in a while, though. LURKERS MUST DIE.

What move?

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Originally Posted by Renata

JHT -- not really pleased, since your move came late enough in the game you knew full well the assumptions that were going around about replacement players and consciously took advanteage of that. It feels like a bit too much.

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It wasn't johnhughthom's intention to be replaced. In fact, he was pretty disappointed about it. He went on a one week holiday, without internet acces. Apparently, he tried to get online during that week, but he couldn't and so I had no choice but to replace him, just like I replaced other players who were going to get WoG'ed otherwise.

Btw, I would never replace a mafioso who wants to be replaced himself, as part of his cunning plan to win the game. That would be a bit cheap, now would it? The mistake you made was assuming that a replacement player could not be scum. People being selected as townie can have perfectly valid real life reasons that make it impossible for them to continue play. Why would it be otherwise for mafiosi?

Oh, my mistake then. JHT's non-voting prior to the replacement gave it more the appearance of being a deliberate strategy.

Good game Andres :beam:

I'm glad Romanic turned up scum...

It turns out we were right about the vote switch being a one shot ability though, which makes the second lynch not so terrible. A shame kage wasn't vigged though.

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Originally Posted by Andres

The mistake you made was assuming that a replacement player could not be scum. People being selected as townie can have perfectly valid real life reasons that make it impossible for them to continue play. Why would it be otherwise for mafiosi?

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True, but I still assert it's a sufficiently rare occurrance to make it a major mark in someone's favor. If we stop assuming that replacements are townies, we'll increase the rate at which we lynch townies instead of mafioso. I think the key, as demonstrated by this situation, is to pay attention to the reason someone is replaced. JHT was active and then said he had to go on vacation and might not be posting again for a while... and then he was replaced. That's a lot different from someone who's replaced due to pure inactivity with no excuse.

So, I'm assuming that Kukri knew who all the scum were at the start and need to replace JHT/DE as the Godfather, but keep the team intact? That's the only reason I can think of for him to spare Kage.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Good game Andres :beam:

I'm glad Romanic turned up scum...

It turns out we were right about the vote switch being a one shot ability though, which makes the second lynch not so terrible. A shame kage wasn't vigged though.

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I tried ... But you guys just wouldn't re-elect me, no ...

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Originally Posted by TinCow

So, I'm assuming that Kukri knew who all the scum were at the start and need to replace JHT/DE as the Godfather, but keep the team intact? That's the only reason I can think of for him to spare Kage.

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Makes no sense as apparently Kurki needed to kill Diamondeyes, instead, he was assisting the mafia. Have to wait for him to turn up for answers.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Makes no sense as apparently Kurki needed to kill Diamondeyes, instead, he was assisting the mafia. Have to wait for him to turn up for answers.

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Well, it makes perfect sense if he just wanted to off the Godfather and keep the minions alive for his own use later.

The setup seems to have been surprisingly close to the classic Godfather games. The only differences were the two one-shot vote-switching abilities, the hostile second Godfather, and the Naib role. Given the nature of Org games to be so role-heavy, I'm mentally notching this one down mainly as a 'vanilla' game. It was very refreshing to be focused more on posting habits than on night actions, thanks for the nice change of pace Andres.

Is it just me, or does the town have a pretty poor record when it comes to Godfather games?

Town is 2-2 in godfather games.

The mafia gaining a 2nd kill was the only bit I don't like about the setup...they already had two VERY powerful abilities. The extra kill they used to make romanic look innocent, and the vote switch would they could have used to frame someone. It took out the traditional "down to one kill, so either we got mafia or the mafia is framing him" aspect...but everyone was still thinking in that mode.

I do love that everyone ignored Romanic about TheFlax. :)

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Town is 2-2 in godfather games.

The mafia gaining a 2nd kill was the only bit I don't like about the setup...they already had two VERY powerful abilities. The extra kill they used to make romanic look innocent, and the vote switch would they could have used to frame someone. It took out the traditional "down to one kill, so either we got mafia or the mafia is framing him" aspect...but everyone was still thinking in that mode.

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I've been playing with that idea for long, but I figured 4 scum with 2 kills for the entire game was pretty well balanced. If I would have had 30 players, instead of 1, then I would have skipped the second GF and the mafia would have had one kill once a henchman was dead. With 30 players, I would also have gotten rid of the vig and doctor ability for the Naib.

With 40 alive, only 3 mafia and 1 kill with a henchman dead felt a bit too hard on the mafia. So I went for an outsider/scumbag. But there was risk for cross kills! Hmmm, so 2 kills each night then. Oh, but then town has it hard; let's them give an immortal doctor and 2 vigs. Hmmm... But vigs are guaranteed kills; but I want the GF lynch- and vigable (so basically, town only needed to have it right twice in order to win); hm, hm, hm, toss in a lynch redirect (I like that, because I like chaos and confusion in mafia; and it's such a great tool for WIFOM). And that's how you end up with Daggers in the Night ~:)

There was also a personal reason to keep two kills in a 40 player game: I go on a holiday next Monday. Having kills drop down to 1 mid game would have caused the game to be in the exciting end phase right when I had to leave. It's about time I'm going to spend some more time with somebody who is even more special than you guys and who counts for two nowadays. "They" deserve to get more attention from me from now on :wink:

I'll post roles and thoughts once I get home.

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Originally Posted by Andres

It's about time I'm going to spend some more time with somebody who is even more special than you guys and who counts for two nowadays. "They" deserve to get more attention from me from now on :wink:

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Danger! With two votes to your one, they could lynch you without risk!

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Well, it makes perfect sense if he just wanted to off the Godfather and keep the minions alive for his own use later.

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^^That^^ was it. I leave the full expose' to Hostie Andres. Let me just say that my role was heavily mafia-leaning, but I tried to make it as town-friendly as possible. That became impossible late in the game when I lost investigative powers (but gained re-animation for the purpose of killing). Then I had no choice.

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Originally Posted by Renata

I do love that everyone ignored Romanic about TheFlax. :)

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I'm glad I questioned Romanic, even if it led nowhere.

Well played mafia! :bow:

good game.

Excellent game, Andres! I thoroughly enjoyed it. I just wish I'd been more active in the beginning.

I still suspected Diamondeye at the end, but due to the "logic" of why he was innocent, I felt I would look foolish and more scummy for pointing fingers at him. :laugh4:

Well done, Diamondeye, my hats off to you. You did an excellent job. It was your early accusation against me that didn't make sense, since you've said before that you have trouble reading me. I find it rather hilarious and upsetting that we seemed wrong about so much in this game. We missed Romanic and were totally off about so much. I look forward to hearing Andre's thoughts on the game as it progressed. I bet he had many nights in front of his monitor laughing his tail off!

Again, my thanks to the host. Excellent job!

On a personal note:

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Originally Posted by Psychonaut

Lol. This makes it easier to pick out the Mafia. You are looking for someone who hasn't played a lot of games here as I am always suspicious and 95% of the time end up the game lynched.

Lynch Romanic.

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Originally Posted by Psychonaut

It's Romaric. Lynch him already.

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I told you so. :balloon2:

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/.../laughing1.jpg

It's a pleasure to be so soundly defeated. :bow: One bad assumption can ruin your whole day. I had this problem with why the people who were "obviously" innocent were being left alive. The kills confused the heck out of me. I should have listened to that nagging doubt and explored the reasons why. Double A and Split being left alive for so long... now I understand.... the Ancient One was able to hide among other people who had been inactive at one point... too inactive to be mafia, or so I assumed.

I take some small comfort in knowing that Kagemusha and Kukrikhan were both scumbags, but I can't say I did very well. Too many bad assumptions based off of atheotes' supposed guilt. I did have tons of fun though, as expected. Helping Diana with the lynch write-ups was certainly fun. And it was also fun to be so completely wrong about almost everything, when the evidence was misinterpreted to make us all believe one thing.

No one I spoke to ever really suspected Diamondeye. He was the lowest priority for basically everybody. Wasn't even on my suspect list. A simple accident of real life gave the absolutely perfect cover for a mafia... and I never explored why he and Double A and Split were being left alive. The only assumption I came up with was there was a very high chance that Split or Double A or choxorn or Diamondeye would be most likely protected by the Naib every night, and Double A and Split weren't as involved in the game. That was the king of all bad assumptions. Something should have flipped a switch in my brain where Johnhughthom was replaced IMMEDIATELY, but the others were gone for days at a time and no replacement. That was the smoking gun... and then the known mafia never really accusing Diamondeye.

Ah well. I raise my hands in defeat: a real, true defeat. It's been a while since we've been ruined so badly. Feels oddly refreshing.

I'll get you next time, Diamondeye. And your little Kage Al Musha too.




Thanks Andres. I always lose your games...... always. :sweatdrop:

Cant wait to read the thoughts of Andres.:couch:

Good game!

Congrats to the victors. :bow: Well played. I'm interested in the full role descriptions. I'm still a bit hazy on some of the details.

And, I think this is the first time I can think of since Mafia VIII that a rl/connection/net problem became beneficial for the mafia. The remaining other mafia simply played better this time around(albeit with a bit more help, maaaaaaybe) to come away with victory.

Good game all. Thanks for hosting, Andres. Sorry I didn't contribute more after my death. I hope you'll eventually be able to take another crack at hosting.

Congrats to the mafia!! I think the town was lost most of this game. After Romanic was lynch, wasn't there 2 kills, but after Atheotes it went down to 1, this is why we thought that Atheotes was the slave. What happened the night after Romanic was lynched? I even think that we had the roles mixed up, I think it was mentioned several times that the special role was Nickolas. Perfect placement of the vote switches, I never even thought about that as a reason Kage was lynch immune. Oh well can't win them all (but it would be nice to win some :disappointed: ), at least I got to play a different role than I've ever played before.


Thanks to our wonderful host Andres :bow: We will miss you, my friend. Special thoughts go out to you and your new family!

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Originally Posted by Diana Abnoba

Congrats to the mafia!! I think the town was lost most of this game. After Romanic was lynch, wasn't there 2 kills, but after Atheotes it went down to 1, this is why we thought that Atheotes was the slave. What happened the night after Romanic was lynched? I even think that we had the roles mixed up, I think it was mentioned several times that the special role was Nickolas. Perfect placement of the vote switches, I never even thought about that as a reason Kage was lynch immune. Oh well can't win them all (but it would be nice to win some :disappointed: ), at least I got to play a different role than I've ever played before.


Thanks to our wonderful host Andres :bow: We will miss you, my friend. Special thoughts go out to you and your new family!

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From what I understand, mafia had access to an extra one kill for one night.

Well that was well placed too then!

I was the one who suggested to Renata that the special role could be Nikolaos. Whilst writing in the "Nikolaos' Crypt" quicktopic. I giggled.

I have saved a few private conversations, but first: Thanks to Andres for a formidable game. I joined late but I got my part of the action :bow:
Thanks to Kagemusha, Romanic and johnhughthom; I really enjoyed our teamwork even though I can be bossy :laugh4: - and harsh on john when he went out of his way to protect me early on.
And thanks to the town; It was not until the final Methos lynch that I could relax... I really had to lay bonds on myself to not catch any suspicion or leave odd ESP- or PIS-clues. I was close a couple of times... And that time where Sasakighost came out of nothing and accused me... Gah... I decided to stomach it and ignore it. Luckily attention quickly shifted.

Now, for the funny quotes :laugh4:

AskThePizzaGuy conversation:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

ATPG siger:
in case you don't know, I think Methos and Scienter are likely henchmen
they are just low-key enough to be excellent choices
Marcus siger:
Hmm... they're keeping a low profile, true.
I haven't gotten any significant impression of them other than that.
ATPG siger:
thats the idea
Marcus siger:
That speaks in their favour if you're right.
ATPG siger:
mafia dont want any impressions
Marcus siger:
That's plausible. I'll keep an eye on them.

Spot on the idea - wrong targets. But it gets better...

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Marcus siger:
Wait, what?
Is the ancient lynch immune?
I must have missed that...
ATPG siger:
Yes. While the scum henchmen survive.
Now, john was scum in another game
and he didn't drop from that one
he dropped from this one.
What does that tell you?
That means he's innocent
and therefore you are.
So....
I have identified many innocents.
Marcus siger:
That's a good piece of work.
Hmm... the rules states nothing about the ancient being lynch immune more clear than...
"The Ancient" is the equivalent of the "Godfather" (see: The Godfather I, II and III; a nod to Silver Rusher and GeneralHankerchief ).
Were you in any of these games?
ATPG siger:
hold on.
you know what, you're right
he cannot kill until both his slaves are dead
but he may not be lynch immune

Massive WIFOM while dropping a hint to the town... Playing the cards close when it comes to Perfect Information, but it went through...

And now - I must confess I didn't like lying to her - Renata:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Renata siger:
heh
have you talked to pizza about the game at all?
Marcus siger:
He tried sending me PM earlier but my inbox was full.
I cleaned it out now and dropped him a notice, but he's probably asleep or something.
Renata siger:
yeah most likely
i'm tempted to tell you what he probably had to say
thinking
Marcus siger:
Your decision
Renata siger:
though it may be too late to matter
Marcus siger:
?
Renata siger:
anyway, it might not hurt you to act a little bit scummy, on purpose
Marcus siger:
Humm... the mafia killing off replacements, you mean?
Renata siger:
yes
Marcus siger:
I see. So I have to push beyond my "natural scummines"?

Lulzgiggles!

This one I felt really bad about - it wasn't planned, but it was useful!

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Marcus siger:
Sure. Checkeeng.
You've got it right.
Also; You can only reveal your Naib orders in public.
Renata siger:
i know, in civplayah's NOTW game earthling was the protector and I could/would have gotten two right if following my own instincts, but that's an exception. and there's no guarantee i would have followed my instincts if it came down to it -- paranoia/just protet the improtant people is sucha strong instinct
right
oh
oh no
i told diana
that's not allowed
shee-it
Marcus siger:
You should say that to Andres.
Immidiately.
Renata siger:
i will
Marcus siger:
Ugh. Perhaps he will have to make them public to even the field, then.
Sorry I noticed

Smackety smack more info for me! Nom nom nom!

And...

Marcus siger:
... I think you're right.
It would make sense that Nikolaus would be the other role... A vampire who has been working with the daggers a long time ago to catch our villain.
But whether we can trust him or not, I don't know. My guess is "not".
Renata siger:
you are probably right on that

Damn right you can't trust Nikolaos :laugh4:

Also - this last writeup was mostly done by me (hence the CFC joke which is hilarious if you know what it's about). And I included jaywalking in Kage's crimes...

I enjoyed the game a lot! Once more; thanks :beam:
I want a medal to flash for it though. To say I'm not proud would be a lie :beam:

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

ATPG siger:
Yes. While the scum henchmen survive.
Now, john was scum in another game
and he didn't drop from that one
he dropped from this one.
What does that tell you?

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:no::thumbsdown:

@ Diamondeye about Nikolaos as the special role -- yeah, and that was one conversation that felt slightly wrong to me at the time. But it made too much sense once I thought about it. I still don't understand how Nikolaos and the Ancient Vampire were one and the same; must have missed something.

Also, everybody seems to feel bad about lying to me, but it doesn't seem to stop anyone from doing it. Woe.

Heck with it, you did good.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

:no::thumbsdown:

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That's true, actually; how come you didn't drop from the Star Wars game at CFC, but you did for this game... Darth Maul? :P

I told Andres and Choxorn/Zack the exact same thing. I was going on holiday for a week and probably wouldn't have internet access so feel free to replace me if they had somebody but I would continue playing when I got back if not. Andres found somebody, Zack/Choxorn didn't. I wouldn't pick and choose which games I stay in due to my role.

I'm more concerned a conversation between two people who aren't even in the Star Wars game has outed me.

Here's my diary.

It's longish, so I've put it in spoilers:

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Day 1

The first election of the Naib.

A lot of noise by The Stranger, who kinda dominated the debates. Well, not really dominated, he was just, eh, very present and enthusiastic.

Secura got selected as Naib. Nice to see one of the newer players grabbing this position. Will all the female players stick together in this game? Will girl power defeat the evil vampires and show the masculin players how this game is supposed to be played?

We’ll probably learn all about it on Kage’s new televions station :laugh4:

32 out of 40 voted, not bad, but there’s room for improvement. Yes, I’m demanding :whip:

johnhuhghtom pm’ed me four names. Random.org decided that the slaves will be Kagemusha and Romanic. This is Romanics’ first large game at the .Org, if I’m not mistaken. Should be interesting. I still remember PK getting a crucial role in his very first mafia game, Trapped in Taormina, hosted by yours truly and he managed to pull off a victory!

A new player and two experienced “survivors”, i.e. players who tend to stay alive until the endgame. Nice team.

Of course, they don’t know much about the secret role…

N1

Caine aka Kukri follows tradition and investigates GH and Sasaki, who are both innocent townies.

Secura orders Beskar to protect Renata. At this stage of the game, succesfully protecting somebody is a matter of being very lucky. This protection ability will become more and more important the more the game progresses. For now, it’s just a matter of being lucky or not.

Romanic used random.org to decide his kill choice and he came up with autolycus who wanted to be replaced. Funny. I wonder what they’ll make of it. It makes the mafia appear as very sportsmanslike fellows.

Bad luck for DiY, who is first on the replacement list and eager to play. He’ll have to wait until someone else wishes to quit. I’m curious if the town will pay attention to this kill choice. After all, it could be interpreted as a noble mafioso killing the townie who no longer wishes to play.

Kagemusha wants to kill Yaropolk. His motives are ”Shadow Fort”; something tells me I should have participated in that game…

Day 2

The Stranger got some votes, as could be expected, given his talkative nature. I think he’ll stay alive until midgame if he survives this round.

Don’t really understand the bandwagon on Csargo. Why are they lynching him? Because he tends to survive long and having Csargo in the end-game is confusing? Becaue he won Swords in the Moon?

Heck, if the game continues with only a few players alive, it’s always confusing, certainly in a game like this, with no more than four roles on 40 players. Anyone reaching endgame will be a possible suspect. The reason s for lynching Csargo seem rubbish to me, but it seems like he’ll be the one to go.

No pm from Secura, so will have to do lynch write-up myself.

I think I can come up something that will motivate the Naib and future Naibs to make sure they pm me with something for the lynch :grin:

Night 2

Kukri investigates the “big talkers” Renata and Pizza. Both are innocent.

The vampire team will kill Chaotix and Centurion1. Good choices for early game, imo.

Day 3

Hmmm…

ATPG is right about Kage using the Sahara news as cover; allthough Kage already started with it before he was chosen as slave. If Kage survives the game, then some people will be very frustrated when looking back at this day phase. They had him by his “titanium testicles” for a short while, but let him go.

A wee bit pressure on Romanic, but he handles himself perfectly. I’m getting memories about PK winning Taormina as a completely new player.

No suspicion on johnhughthom whatsoever. They’ll probably let him off the hook during his week absence. If only he manages to post in at least one day phase to avoid being replaced. I’ll keep my thumbs up that you’ll have internet on your holiday, john.

Currently, Pizza is in the lead with 5 votes. I’m a bit concerned by the low number of people actually voting. I hope more players will get active. I still have a couple of people on the replacement list, but it’s not endless and I’d hate to have more than 3 or 4 WoG’s.

Well, that’s it, Pizza gets lynched. Secura wants Sasaki to help. Let’s see what we can make of this.

Probably not what she had in mind :laugh4:

N3

Not much time to follow the game; week-end is busy.

Ibn-Khaldun and Psychonaut die tonight. Killing Psycho might be an error, it’s always good to keep him around until late midgame, he has a tendency to end up lynched.

Secura has no luck with her protections.

Kukri investigates TheFlax and DiY. Both are innocent.

D4

Org is lagging at a very inconvenient time for me. This is driving me crazy.

Hmmm, Psychonaut names Romanic as a possible suspect and ATPG names both Romanic and Kage in the same post. Let’s hope people don’t catch up on that, I don’t want this one to end prematurely…

Luckily for our mafiosi, TS draws so much attention to him that Pscyho and ATPG are completely being ignored.

It’s going between the lurker Seon and the spamme…, eh, I mean, active and enthusiastic contributor, The Stranger. Seon voted himself and everybody seems to think it’s a tie. They are mistaken, Seon has one vote more than TS. If Seon doesn’t manage to get back in time, he’ll get lynched by his own vote.

Secura pm’ed me to say that in case of a tie, Seon gets lynched.

Seon isn’t back in time, so he gets the noose.

A little suspicion has been cast on the two henchmen, I’m wondering if they’ll get more attention next round.

N4

Mafiosi make interesting kill choices: Sasak and ‘khaan. Refreshing choices; I think it’s good the mafia is making unusual kills, it’s boring to have the same 15 or so players in the end game every game. And I guess they’re speculating on Sasaki losing attention after dead.

Kukri investigates split and Jolt. Understandable choices; both would be good candidates for henchmen, but no cigar, dear Caine. So far, Kukri has played a perfect game; as good as no suspicion whatsoever and nicely flying under the radar. Of course, in these games, things can change drastically in no morebut one round, but I think Kukri will makeit far into this game. He and johnhughthom are worthy adversaries in avoiding suspicion. The only flaw in Kukri’s play style is that he risks that eventually will call him out on his semi-lurking and then he’ll have to take a stance. I hope he read the thread and pays good attention so that, if the need is there, he can defend himself.

Renata has TinCow protecting Diana Abnoba; I wonder how Scienter likes that :wink:

D5

Hmmm, it seems like making fun of Sasaki Kojiro using the Miyamoto Mushashi theme has struck a nerve… :laugh4:

Nananana, Mushashi won, nananana :laugh4:

Anyway, both Sasaki and ‘khaan think this was a GeneralHankerchief move. Ha! Traditionalists! As if GH is the only one capable of doing that. Alas, guys, you’re wrong.

So far, Sasaki is calling several players scum; maybe he’s just looking for reactions, but it isn’t helping much, I think.

I think Scienter will be lynched in this game eventually, several people are commenting on her. I’d like to see how she handles herself under pressure. I think this one is to be feared once she gets a mafia role.

But of course, paranoid town will lynch GH first, simply because Sasaki and ‘khaan got killed. Gah. I never really believed in looking at the kill choices to catch scum.

Psycho nor ATPG are mentioning their suspicion about Kage and Romanic from the previous round.

Are the slaves off the hook?

If people keep focusing on GH-TC-Scienter, then our mafiosi are safe for a while. All in all, a good round for our villains.

A pity GeneralHankerchief will be taking a time off from mafia, but I’m sure it’ll be temporary. He wants to get burned in his lynch scene, while smiling sadly. Let’s see what we can do with that; I hope he’ll like the result.

Enjoy the break, but please, come back soon, dear GH; the Gameroom isn’t the same without you

:bow:

N5

But the game continues…

Who will get killed tonight?

Peasant Phill and Death is yonder. Peasant Phill seems a good kill choice, no suspicion on him, doesn’t post much, but makes good analysis. Hementioned he didn’t have too much time to dedicate on the game, so activity will probably drop after dead. Understandable choice. I feel a bit sorry for DiY, since he entered the game as a replacement and he really wanted to play, but it’s an understandable choice. His play doesn’t draw much suspicion on him and he’s paying attention to the game, analysing behaviour. I think the mafia made good kill choices here. Low profile players, not scummy and making good analysis. It’s the kind of play that gets you killed.

Kukrikhan investigates the innocent Scienter and… Kagemusha! He’s found himself his first slave. I wonder what he’ll do with this information next night. Will he calmly keep investigating until he finds his nemesis, Nikolaos, or will he take out Kage at night? Looking forward to next night.

Day 6:

Wow, Romanic suddenly starts to feel pressure. And Kage is being under suspicion as well. Interesting, but things can change fast in this game.

Post #907 by Renata is a great post. But will she be able to convince the town?

It’s starting to look very bad for Romanic, I’m afraid the mafia will lose its’ first member. It’s still pretty early in the game.

But Romanic is doing very, very well. Are you really that new to mafia? Keep this up and you’ll be the revelation of the year? Or will it be Renata? Niklas, DiamondEye and Secura also made good impressions on me in previous games. Our newer members are all assets :2thumbsup: The future of the GR seems assured. Nice.

And see, not only does Romanic defends himself brilliantly, he also manages to get the town vote for the one he switched his vote to! There goes White_Eyes:D… And Romanic lives to fight another day.

This round started terrible for the mafia, but all ended well.

What did I say about things changing fast in these games?

Very well played, Romanic :bow:

And now up to an interesting night; I wonder what Kukri will do.

Night 6

No orders from Kukri  Gah.

The slaves are having a discussion. Kage wants to kill YLC and Secura to makei t look as if the mafia tries to frame him. He hopes he’ll be able to use that to divert attention away from Romanic. He’s also convinced town won’t lynch him for it, because it would be too obvious a frame attempt.

Romanic isn’t too sure about it.

Diamondeye will be replacing johnhuhgthom; I really feel sorry for johnhughthom, but I have to replace him, otherwise, people will grow suspicious of him because he hasn’t been WoG’ed after an entire week of inactivity. So sorry about this.

I like Romanics’ way of thinking: trying to be elected as Naib and then blatantly use the vig kills and take the lynch after no longer being Naib. I like it, but I’m afraid it won’t happen with the suspicion already gathered by the slaves. And it’s not really an option for the Godfather, since he’ll end up lynched after his term as Naib. However, if DE manages to stay out of the spotlights, then he could try to get himself elected and win the game with the vig kills later on.

Renata protects Diana, no luck.

Day 7

Romanic gets bandwagoned. It doesn’t seem like he’ll manage to escape death this time.

You did very well, good sir and it is a joy to have you in my game :bow:

But it’s not over yet and already you are developping plans and strategies to help your team after dead.

That’s the spirit! Kudos to you!

Never, ever give up. As long as the final write-up hasn’t been posted, the game is not over!

Will Renata come to the rescue with her case on atheotes? Too late, I’m afraid. There goes Romanic.

And Diana is the new Naib. Do I sense a female conspiracy here?
Aha, Renata is a Princess Bride fan. Great idea for a lynch write-up!

Night 7

With Romanic down, team Nikolaos only has one kill and the resurrection mechanic will come to work, which means Kukri will get to kill starting next night. They’re discussing if they should use the extra Nikolaos kill to make it appear as if Romanic wasn’t scum. That’s one way of using it and it seems about the best way of using it too.

Funny: the Naib uses Kage to protect Diamondeye; of course, being ordered to protect doesn’t block the mafia, that would make town a bit too overpowered in a game with 3 mafia (of which one GF whose dead = defeat) + 1 extra bad guy vs. 36 townies with two vig kills and guaranteed protection every night at their disposal.

Kukri investigates for the last time (but he doesn’t know this yet): Diana and TC, both are innocents.

I want my orders and I want them now! Lazy vampire and slaves :whip: Ok, just in time: Captain Blackadder and Greyblades go down.

Day 8

Kukri got his pm in which he is granted the power of resurrection due to the dead of the first slave. It’s a game mechanic I developped to guarantee that the bad guys always have two kills. However, instead of the Godfather and his slaves having two kills, now one of their kills goes to Caine, their adversary. The write-ups of the “resurrection kills” will be very different, so I’m curious how town will respond to it.

Soon to be WoG’ed split gets voted. Town seems lazy, not much real discussion going on. Votes are switched to atheotes who doesn’t bother to show up today. Not a good round and a bit disappointing from the hosts’ perspective. We have what? Some 40 posts on 24 hours in a 40 player game? Meh. Then again, maybe I’m spoiled. Where are the days when a host was more than happy if his game ended with 900 à 1.000 posts. I think we’ll have far more than that in this game. I’m a spoiled brat.

Except for the mafia at their quicktopic, nobody bothered to mention the lightning storm. Did they read the write-up until the end? Was it not obvious enough?


Night 8

Kukri decides to refrain from killing. Not a choice I would have made, but then again, the kills will go down to one and will be back up to two next night, so it’ll add to the speculation and drama, I hope (assuming Kukri will kill next night).

Team Nikolaos decides to take out Niklas.

Naib orders: Kukri will protect Choxorn. Again, an inconclusive protection.

Day 9

I hope it gets better; town has been a bit lazy the last couple of days (yeah I’m spoiled and demanding)

With Kukri deciding not to kill, we’re down to 1 kill; I guess town will now be convinced atheotes was scum. Poor atheotes.

Hmmm… They are considering the possibility that the mafia deliberately dropped down to one kill to confuse town. It’s plausible and it has been done before (don’t remember in which game). Good. Allthough they’re wrong, I like to see a town that keeps all options open and refuses to let themselves be distracted too much. Focus on the thread behaviour. Forget the rest.

TinCow is right; don’t focus too much on the drop in kills. Even if you know for sure that atheotes is mafia, then that still doesn’t help you that much. Sure, you can try looking for connections; some mafiosi don’t pick on each other in the thread, others do exactly that to distance themselves from each other. I know several players who do that. Some players have done both. Allthough I’m guilty of doing it as well, basing your votes on connections with presumed scum, is not good. It’s better to analyse the player; if you find a connection with a confirmed scum, so much the better. However, in mafia games at the .Org, there hardly are confirmed scums; hosts here usually do not reveal roles upon death. So lynching someone because of a connection isn’t a good idea, since the person you’re conntecting the suspect to, might be an innocent player.

As TinCow says, at best, you can use it as “supporting evidence”. I think other players might disagree though; IIRC, Sasaki once said that looking for connections between people is one of his ways to find mafia.

How to find mafia based on thread behaviour is a fascinating question. It’s difficult and often more question of luck than skill, but some of us are good at it, so it must be possible to develop a certain skill in it. It makes vanilla games interesting, certainly when you’re nearing the endgame and every player has an air of scummines around him. Of course, not all vanilla games had great endgames, but think Godfather III and Mafia VI and you’ll know what I mean. I’m thinking Renata is pretty good at goo.

Enough rambling already, back to the game.

I think Kage is going to feel much pressure this round.

A bit bickering between Scienter and TinCow. Hey, don’t do this to me. I merely wanted to host a mafia game, not be the direct cause of marital issues :laugh4:

And Sasaki keeps spouting random accusations. Or will he make his move when we’re down to 10?

Allthough things are looking bad for Kage, nobody really suspects Kukri or Diamondeye. Good; hopefully the game will last for a couple of more rounds. That and the few surprises there are still to come should make for an interesting end game.

Kukri already pm’ed me that he wants to use his lynch redirect ability should Kage get the most votes. And an hour later, DE pm’ed me with a similar request. Kukri was first, so his order takes prevalence. Not only town, but Nikolaos and his slaves are in for a surprise! Good. The more chaos and confusion, the better!

Ah Romanic. Nice effort to try to get TheFlax lynched, but it’ll be in vain. But you can keep hammering on it and maybe you’ll succeed to convince the town to waste another lynch.

And there comes split, saving himself from the WoG; his vote for TheFlax looks scummy. I hope it won’t backlash to him. Ehm, no, who am I kidding, I have a soft spot for my mafiosi… Let it backlash and keep my mafiosi alive :devil:

Ok Sasaki, now I’m starting to think you’re just accusing everybody so that when the game ends, you can quote yourself and say “See! I knew it! I told you, but nobody wanted to listen to me, oh no!” :laugh4:

Ok, write-up time. They’ll be very surprised to see that Kage survives.

Night 9

An interesting night!

TinCow is prosecuting The Stranger and builds up his case against him. Coincidentally, he’s going to die tonight.

Team Nikolaos makes a very wise choice for a kill: TinCow. Allthough TC had been under suspicion, it’s wearing off. With this kill, they don’t just take out a strong opponent, but they’ll make The Stranger look very, very scummy. TS has been annoying to many townies. That and the clear frustration he showed when TC was making his case, will make him look very bad now. Given his behaviour, people might think he is a mafia who got so fed up with TC’s pressure that he killed him, figuring he’d end up lynched anyway, so why not taking out his biggest opponent.

I don’t know if I’m allowed to play in Kage’s “Who’s next”, but my money is on The Stranger.

Kukrikhan resurrects atheotes to take Renata. Great. Renata was the one who wanted to see atheotes lynched and now he comes back for revenge. Nice.

The Naib will use a vigilante kill on Kukrikhan. There goes Caine, I’m afraid. The reserve GF dies before he can kick out the original GF.

This also means the power of resurrection will go to DE and he’ll be able to use it for the first time N10.


Day 10

Town has 3 à 4 lynches and one vig attempt left to win this game. If they make a mistake with the vig, though, then they’ll lose a lynch round, I think. Whoever is Naib, will need nerves of steel to avoid using the vig too soon. They also have the protection thing, so if they’re lucky, they can slow down the mafia. Then again, there’s only one GF left to take down, so they have a good shot at winning this game.

Interesting endgame.

The Stranger will get lynched for being annoying and… being alive? Not a good lynch imo; no mafioso would play like TS, that’s just too risky. They’re falling to easily for the mafia frame. Understandable, but still not a good lynch.

Nice lynch write-up by Diana, but it’s still a bit too soft. I’ll exaggerate a bit more :grin:

N10

Ok, town, this is a question I need an answer to: why are you not using your vig kill on Kage? Why do you assume he’s the GF? Because of the lynch redirect? Wouldn’t that be a bit too easy for the GF to save himself using lynch redirect? At least using your vig on Kage is worth a try, isn’t it?

Diana : protects TheFlax

mafia kills Choxorn and Jolt; but good choices, none of them has gathered much suspicion so far.

Day 11

10 alive, two scums. I prodded Double A the previous day. I have been VERY lenient, only because I’m out of replacements.

Note to all of you lurkers who usually end up getting WoG’ed: by doing so, your team loses an extra lynch opportunity. In games where there are not so many rules, having one less lynch can be fatal. Indeed, the endgame in these vanilla (or almost vanilla) games is where town wins; in the early rounds, it’s difficult to catch scum, mafia is usually found when the game is nearing its’ end. The lynch and the discussion is the towns’ best weapon and by getting yourself WoG’ed, you take away an opportunity for your team to win.

So yeah, I hold all you lurkers who got WoG’ed in the past responsible for quiet a few town defeats. How many games haven’t we seen where just that one more extra round would have made the difference between town defeat or victory.

You sign up, you play. Not playing is letting your team down and not very sportsmanslike either.

But enough with the ranting already, let’s see how this round goes.

Sasaki is right, Kage should be vigged, not lynched. The lynch didn’t work and you still have a vig at your disposal: make use of it!

Diamondeye seems to be ver y low on the suspect list. People are more thinking TheFlax and Beefy187. Why is being a replacement player equal to being innocent?

Activity is very, very low at the moment. Some players really need to put more effort in; if you reach the endgame, you need to play, it’s that simple.

Renata is very close with her theory in post #1582. She’s playing a good game, but I doubt people realise it. Note for the future: pay more attention to what this woman says. She’s good.

Beefy votes himself because he doesn’t want to be a distraction later on. People go for Kage again. I would do the same in their place (allthough I would be very frustratred that the vig isn’t been used on him), but it’s not going to work. It wasn’t intended to be that way, but with Kukri using his ability to save Kage the other day, he now gets saved twice. Town will hate it. I do hope they’ll try to use the vig on Kage; if only to have a more interesting endgame.

Not even two pages of posts this day. Not enough for a crucial phase. Did I mention already that I’m spoiled and demanding?

Town is also not keeping all options open. TheFlax, Beefy187 and Kage have gotten lots of attention, other players much less.

I don’t know what’s been going on behind the scenes, I hope they’re screening all other players as well.

In mafia, always leave all options open.

Lynch redirect from Kage to Scienter. They’ll start to hate me now.

However, I still think the game is pretty well balanced.

4 bad guys; always 2 kills a night, no matter what. Town only needs to lynch 2 of them: the GF (Nikolaos) and the “reserve GF” (Caine). Add to that the possiblity that mafia might cross kill (Kukri was pretty powerful and able to kill the slaves and Nikolaos all by himself; that they always have a doctor (ok, slight chance that mafia got elected as Naib) and two guaranteed succesful vig kills at their disposal. That and their numbers: on 40 players, 36 are town.

And Kage is still having fun as confirmed scum :laug4:

No matter who wins, you get the joker award in this game :bow:

And so, Kage is the chosen one. Unfortunately for town, the lynch is redirected again and there goes Scienter, poor girl. I guess I’ll have to wait for the next game to see how you handle pressure.

Night 11

Ai, ai, ai. I think town makes a crucial mistake and decides to vig pevergreen. This move will probably cost you victory. I’m thinking something is going on behind the scenes and you’re on the wrong track. Of course, you can’t know what I know, but using the vig on Kage is worth a try, isn’t it?

Mafia hits Beefy187 and TheFlax, two of the more talkative of the remaning players. That leaves us with less talkative players, the scum and a Naib who isn’t allowed to vote. And no more vig kills at the towns’ disposal.

I hope they’ll go for the Kage lynch next day (it will succeed now), which should make for a very interesting final round (not that Kage doesn’t deserve to win, but I’d love to see an endgame with only a few alive; would they finally look at DE or is he “confirmed innocent” in the towns book?) Then again, maybe they won’t dare to lynch Kage now.

Exciting stuff.

Day 12

Ok. They now think Kage is lynch immune. That was to be expected. Should have vigged him.

Who will they turn to, now? Methos acted a bit scummy last night. Will he be the lynch? Or will it be the lurker Double A?

Post #1702 from Renata. Listen to her! She has been right on so many occasions in this game! I don’t know who is pulling the strings behind the scenes (if there is a behind the scenes going on, but I suspect as much), but next time, it should be Renata. She gets the Cassandra trophee for this game. She’s right, but nobody listens.

And there is Diana in post #1712 asking to lynch Kage. Ok, men, I think after this game, we have to admit that our cavemen tactics are far superior to the gentle female ruthless cunningness. If town would have listened to the ladies, the game would have lasted for another round with a chance to grab victory for town. Oh, Diana, don’t give up because some cavemen start yelling that Methos should go. Next time, be more confident in your own judgement! You’re right, the others are wrong!

Methos! Don’t give up! This is towns’ last chance. You need to post, kick a fuss, do all that’s possible to convince them you’re scum. Don’t vote yourself! Come on!

I’m starting to sound like a soccer coach, yelling at his team at the sidelines ~;p

And so it ends. Methos is lynched and the mafia wins.

Will I end it after I put up the night write-up or will I do something more cruel?

Pretending that the game still continues is more cruel than fake endings and it takes far less effort. Win-win. Well, from the evil and cruel hosts’ perspective, that is :grin:

Hilarious write-up from Diana and ATPG. Great stuff guys; it’s a joy to have you in my game!

N 12

Double A and split die at night.

Tomorrow Diana will be killed. Mafia can make their own write-up, give me a framework or give me carte blanche.

I’m hoping for a full write-up, I’m getting out of inspiration and the write-ups are getting time consuming. Somebody is in need of more Andres-attention, and she counts for two nowadays.

D13

Final day; will post final write-up when we’re somewhere half way through.

And so what will probably be my last hosted large game at the .Org comes to an end.

Role pm's:

The Ancient aka Nikolaos:

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Nikolaos - Godfather

You are Nikolaos.

You used your double tongue to seduce Alim into betraying the Antediluvians.

You “saved” the vampire society by hunting and exterminating the Antediluvians and finally locking up Caine in his eternal prison in the Sahara.

In 1491 AD, you infiltrated the Silver Daggers and led them to Alim. While the entire vampire society thinks that Alim got hunted down by the daggers, you know better. You are now the undisputed leader of the vampire society.

Today, the day has come to eliminate the last threat to your powers: the daggers.

But you feel like something is wrong. A presence that shouldn’t be here…

Watch your steps, not everything may be as it seems… It appears that somebody is hunting you, but you don’t know who it is.



Role specifics:

You are Nikoloas, the undisputed ruler of the vampire society who grabbed power through treason and murder.

Your goal is to eliminate all silver daggers.

Your first task is to pm me the names of 4 players. Two of them will be assigned to you by me as your slaves, using random.org. Once the first Naib has been elected, I’ll pm you and your slaves so that you will know each others’ identity at the start of night 1.

Each one of your slaves has the ability to kill one player each night.

In addition to that, you have some powers, but you must be careful when using them, since you want to avoid to be exposed at all costs.

During the night, you can chose to kill one player at the cost of one masquerade violation. Once you’ve broken the masquerade, your next kill will expose you to the town with a 50 % chance of a partial exposure and a 50 % chance of an entire exposure. You can kill as much as you want, but, obviously, this is not a wise choice. Make your kill count!

During the day you can switch the player who will be lynched with another player of your choice. However, you cannot use this ability to save yourself from getting lynched. You can use this ability only once during the entire game.

Good luck!

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Caine ('reserve GF'):

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Caine

You are Caine, the first murderer, cursed by God and transformed into a vampire as punishment. Taught by the witch Lilith in the use of your powers, founder of the First City and disappeared after its' destruction.

But you never really disappeared…

In secret, you were the head of the Council of the Antediluvians during many centuries. Your had a great influence on human history, until the traitors, Alim and Nikolaos, trapped you into a cave, in the Sahara desert, centuries ago.

But you managed to escape. The knowledge they had about the seals, came from you. You taught the Antediluvians how to trap an Elder for eternity, without killing him. But you were wise never to trust your fellow kindred, so you left out a subtle part of the sealing knowledge.

After your escape, you were silent and patient. As an immortal, time is always on your side.

You watched Nikolaos killing Alim in Granada, in 1491 AD.

And now, you’re here.

Nikolaos is here too. Nowadays, he goes by the name “The Ancient”. Ridiculous. He isn’t even an Antediluvian and allthough he is not to be underestimated, he should be no match for your powers.

Alas, you cannot violate the masquerade, so you’ll have to be subtle and discrete in removing this traitor… The humans in this place are dangerous as well... This will not be an easy task.


Role specifics:

You are Caine, the first vampire.

Your goal is to eliminate Nikolaos, his slaves and all witnesses present.

During the night, you can chose to a) investigate two players; b) kill one player at the cost of one masquerade violation. Once you’ve broken the masquerade three times, your next kill will expose you to the town with a 50 % chance of a partial exposure and a 50 % chance of an entire exposure. Warning: you cannot night kill Nikolaos as long as both his slaves are alive. With one slave still alive, an attempt to kill Nikolaos at night will have a 50 % success chance. Failure will come at a cost...

During the day you can switch the player who will be lynched with another player of your choice. However, you cannot use this ability to save yourself or to get Nikolaos lynched. You can use this ability only twice during the entire game.

You are lynch immune during day 1 and 2.

If Nikolaos dies (he gets lynched or you manage to kill him at night), you’ll take control over his (remaining) slave(s) and you’ll continue the game until all Silver Daggers are dead or until you get lynched.

Good luck!

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Slaves:

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Originally Posted by Andres

A presence. A soft whispering in the early night.

"Come to me. Come to me."

Kagemusha and Romanic knew what this was. It was the call. The call of a vampire master. Both knew that no human could resist such a call and they tried to slice their own throats using their silver dagger.

But the call was too powerful.

Standing before their new master, they bowed. His teeth pierced through the flesh of their necks.

A few moments later, the master slowly walked to the back of the room. He turned around and looked at both former daggers.

"Serve me well and I will complete the Embrace, children. Serve me well, and eternal life will be yours."

The slaves bowed deeply for their master, waiting for his orders.

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Romanic and Kage, you have been chosen as the slaves of the Ancient.

You now form a team with johnhughthom, who is your master.

Each slave has the ability to kill one player per night.

You win this game if your master survives.

Your kill orders have to reach me before the night ends. I know RL can come up, so I accept orders by proxy (so each of you can send me orders for the entire team; in case orders are conflicting, johnhughthom's orders take priority).

Any questions, just drop me a pm.

Good luck and have fun!

Andres.

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Mechanics:

Most of it is clear from the role pm's.

The only thing that needs to be explained is the "resurrection ability".

The idea was that, with 40 players, the bad guys always had to have two kills each night, to keep the game balanced.

A slave's dead would trigger the power of resurrection -> Cain would gain this ability and he had to kill instead of investigating, so that there would remain two kills.

If the second slave would die, the Ancient would be able to kill by himself; so two kills each night.

If Cain would die with two slaves alive; the Ancient would get a notice that "his powers have grown." If, after that, a slave would die, Nikoloas would get a notice that after meditating and studying his new powers, he discovered the secret of the resurrection power, and two kills remain guaranteed (note: by using resurrection, the Ancient is not killing, his 'slave' is; see the write-ups after Kukri's dead: The Ancient calls the resurrected player his "slave"; which was a subtle hint that it was the ancient doing the resurrection and a "slave" doing the kills). After the dead of slave 2, the Ancient would be able to resurrect 1 and kill 1 by himself, thus keeping it at two kills/a night.

If Cain would have killed Nikolaos (or Nikolaos would have ended up lynched), then he would have taken control over the remaining slave(s) and he would have had the same powers as Nikolaos.

I could have made it much simpler by just saying "mafia always has two kills", but I like a game that has some twists, because that makes it more interesting; well, at least for me looking from the hosts' perspective.

I think all in all, the game was well balanced, after all, town only needed to take out two players; the slaves were less important. Maybe I should have made it even more simple, but I was looking for an "almost vanilla" game.

Congratulations to the mafia, they played very well and truly deserved their victory. As you can see in the diary, town came pretty close at times, but missed a few chances which caused their defeat. I also think people should listen more to some of our newer players, they clearly know what they're doing, so a nod to the CFC crew :bow:

And kudos to Kukri. Being a loner in a large mafia game is never a gift. I think you did very well and maybe, with more luck in the investigations, you might had come a bit further. But apparently, your play was seen as "too careful" by town. Vigging you was a big succes for them. I never thought they would kill you, you're always such a nice guy. Bad townies, killing the nicest Orgah.

I hope you all had fun playing; I certainly had hosting.

Great insight Andres it almost felt as you wanted me dead also.~;)

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Great insight Andres it almost felt as you wanted me dead also.~;)

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Only because I thought it would make for a more interesting endgame... ~;)

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Originally Posted by Andres

Diamondeye will be replacing johnhuhgthom; I really feel sorry for johnhughthom, but I have to replace him, otherwise, people will grow suspicious of him because he hasn’t been WoG’ed after an entire week of inactivity. So sorry about this.

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I appreciate that you gave me so long before replacing me, no need to feel bad. :bow:

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Originally Posted by Andres

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Only because I thought it would make for a more interesting endgame... ~;)

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Sure,sure..~;)But anyway thank you for hosting this great game for us and have a great break from hosting while spending quality time with your family old friend.This was a great experience!:bow:

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

Also - this last writeup was mostly done by me (hence the CFC joke which is hilarious if you know what it's about). And I included jaywalking in Kage's crimes...

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Thanks for including the jaywalking. :laugh: And yeah, you being a vampire is almost a meme now over at CFC. This time you actually were a vampire. :laugh4:

Good game, the players both town and mafia put in quite a lot of effort to win. Great move by the mafia, it got us all in a twist https://forums.totalwar.org/images/s.../gc-laugh4.gif

And thank you to Andres, it was awesome that your game was my comeback game to the .org, it was very fun, and thoroughly enjoyable, we will all be sad to see you leave:bow:


:rolleyes:

Hey, on the mafia quicktopic, around post 60, Romanic mentioned he said something to ATPG that made him a 100% scum but couldn't reveal what it was... can you reveal that now?

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Originally Posted by Renata

Romanic -- very strong job in defending yourself with no signs of nerves; I certainly won't leave the loopholes in your logic unchallenged a second time. You being mafia (as well as Kage in fact being a slave -- nice move) makes me feel considerably better about your victory.

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Thank you, but reallly I did a poor job in this game. I gave myself up with that question about GH being lynch immune and you rightly picked on it. I was able to delay the lynch for one turn, but in the end my mistake was costly.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I'm glad Romanic turned up scum...

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Oh man, I was tired to see you pop one liners about me. Could you just let it go? :grin: I'm the one who chose to kill you, but it was a random lynch. Maybe I should have let you live, because it seems that after that you were all "Romanic this, Romanic that" until I was killed.

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Originally Posted by TheFlax

I'm glad I questioned Romanic, even if it led nowhere.

Well played mafia! :bow:

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I started picking on you to try removing pressure from Kage, but ATPG dropped a 100 lines bomb about Kage being guilty and I was never able to push my case. We also thought you were the most likely candidate for the special role, because that person would know that I was mafia (the special role was growing in power when a slave died), and you suspiciously questioned my posts after I died. I kept pushing to get you lynched, but it was useless after Kage's identity was revealed. I really didn't want you to become Naib though, too dangerous for us, that's why I frequently showed up to yap about you.

After Kukrikhan died, we knew you were not Caine, but it couldn't resist accusing you more. :laugh4:

Thanks for the game everyone! Good effort by the town, we were somewhat lucky with the turn of events. Thanks to my partners for a great game and my first win on the Org as a mafia :2thumbsup:. Thanks to Andres for hosting this awesome game, I enjoyed it the whole way.

But yes, we were lucky with Kukrikhan redirecting the lynch from Kage at the same time that we were: Our redirecting target was Renata. My guess is that Andres decided randomly which redirect would take effect and it was Kukri's, so Kage was saved and Diamondeye kept his redirect. It felt like Christmas :grin: . Being able to redirect a 2nd lynch effectively made it appear that Kagemusha was lynch immune. Tough turn of events for you, and indeed very lucky for us.

Good Game, everyone! :thumbsup: Outstanding Hosting, Sir Andres. Three hearty cheers for your excellent work. :bow:

My role gave me the leeway (at first) to act more like a Detective than a Killer, so I pursued that angle for as long as I could. Afterall, my primary goal was to eliminate the Ancient One, so I concentrated on that task, figuring that if I *got* him (or her), then I'd play it by ear after that. Maybe I could even direct a "no kill" period once Nikolaos was snuffed. But I sayed too quiet apparently, and town never let me get that far (good job there town!).

Andres is right: being the Special Role is a lonely pursuit. You're asked to make judgments pretty much as much in the dark as a townie, or to take actions equally un-informed. Yet the decisions you make have huge repercussions. I'm not complaining, mind you; at least there's something to think about and actively do every cycle. :)

Once I'd found Kage as a slave and Romanic was id'd to me after his lynch, I had a short list of 5-6 people that I had no results on. A friend reminded me that in some games the Godfather character will appear innocent to investigation. I gave that question (among a couple others) to Andres and he said "no", so I was fairly confident that I could narrow down the suspect list even more, then help get him/her lynched/vigged.

After my own lynch (which I couldn't argue against; those proceedings were held in secret, via PM or chat (I guess), not in the thread), I desperately wanted to reveal my investigation results to help find Nikolaos, and save the town wasted lynches/vigs. But that seemed like a possible game-breaker and fun-dissapater, so I held my tongue. Revealing what little I knew would not have won the game outright anyway, and possibly ruined Andres plans, and everybody else's gameplay fun - especially the suspenseful last 2 cycles. I didn't know for certain which way things would go until the final writeup.

So: I count myself as a winner, even though my character died, because I got to play with a great group in Andres' retirement game. Thanks everyone for a great experience, and Andres for a memorable game! Don't be a stranger, friend.

And of course: thanks to Mrs. Andres for lending us her husband, her baby's Daddy, for our silly pursuits. Best of luck and hearty good wishes to the Andres family, even the family member who doesn't (yet) speak.

you were vigged.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

Hey, on the mafia quicktopic, around post 60, Romanic mentioned he said something to ATPG that made him a 100% scum but couldn't reveal what it was... can you reveal that now?

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Oh that thing. :laugh4:

In the Lamaists game on TWC, I was on a QT with my mafia partners plus Beefy/ATPG and I posted under "Slave1" instead of "Roman". :embarassed:

Such a noob mistake. I didn't realize how dangerous it is to be posting on 2 quick topics are the same time. You always need to double check the name you are posting under. Anyway, I was the QT owner, so upon realizing my mistake, I panicked and deleted the topic (I could have deleted the post, but I didn't know that at the time). It wasn't enough though, because ATPG subscribed to the thread and was notified of every update by email. So he had an email from "QT - Slave1" in his mailbox, and I felt it was a matter of time before he would pick the clue. Fortunately for me, ATPG never noticed my mistake :grin:

I didn't want to go into the details because it involved another game running at that time, even if Kage and John were not part of it. One mistake was enough for me, I didn't want to screw Beefy's game too.

I would also like to thank the town and my esteemed mafia collegues Johnhughthom, Romanic and Diamondeye.It was a pleasure ladies and gentlemen!:bow:

I would also like to announce that im taking a small break from the mafia, because right now i am too busy with other things + real life. But i am sure i will come back soon enough to some large or huge game. Thanks for having me peeps and have a great games!:bow:

Interesting thoughts, Andres :bow: I agree wholeheartedly with your assesment of Renata (if you read our QT, you will see that I'm quite obstinate about removing the people who know me well, her included, without being blatantly obvious about it. This was why Niklas got the chop so early, sorry mate :bow:).

Also, in line with Kage's comment; I'm not quitting mafia entirely, but I have my exams for the final year of gymnasium followed by a summer holiday that will mostly take place on vacation without net, so I'm toggling down my addiction to the internet. I'm sure to be back as soon as possible, but I feel this is a good time to rest a tiny bit on the laurels :beam:

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

if you read our QT, you will see that I'm quite obstinate about removing the people who know me well, her included, without being blatantly obvious about it. This was why Niklas got the chop so early, sorry mate :bow:

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Bah, where's the glory in that? What bigger triumph than to have your foes alive until the very end, yet still defeat them? I certainly hoped to keep you and Renata around until the very end in RotS :beam: - sadly I never got the chance. ~;)

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Ai, ai, ai. I think town makes a crucial mistake and decides to vig pevergreen. This move will probably cost you victory.

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:laugh4:

Killing me never works well for the town. Or for the mafia.

Thank you Andres.

:bow:

To Andres, you joined us under dubious circumstances, but we were much better off for it. For those who have forgotten, or were not around.

~:cheers:

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The Andres PM looks legitimate enough for me. Not gonna bother with further explanations.

Vote:AndresTheCunning

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The PM looks real...

Vote: AndrestheCunning

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Do I even need an explanation here? :confused:

Vote: AndrestheCunning

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"Vote: AndrestheCunning aka AndrestheNOTsoCunningAnymore"

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"There is no AndrestheCunning playing."

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How to be a good townie.
- Beefy should never vote for someone who he thinks is guilty.

One thing I guessed right in this game was Flax being innocent.

Thanks for the game Andres :bow:

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Oh that thing. :laugh4:

In the Lamaists game on TWC, I was on a QT with my mafia partners plus Beefy/ATPG and I posted under "Slave1" instead of "Roman". :embarassed:

Such a noob mistake. I didn't realize how dangerous it is to be posting on 2 quick topics are the same time. You always need to double check the name you are posting under. Anyway, I was the QT owner, so upon realizing my mistake, I panicked and deleted the topic (I could have deleted the post, but I didn't know that at the time). It wasn't enough though, because ATPG subscribed to the thread and was notified of every update by email. So he had an email from "QT - Slave1" in his mailbox, and I felt it was a matter of time before he would pick the clue. Fortunately for me, ATPG never noticed my mistake :grin:

I didn't want to go into the details because it involved another game running at that time, even if Kage and John were not part of it. One mistake was enough for me, I didn't want to screw Beefy's game too.

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I never noticed that :wall:

I never noticed Niklas' slip-up in the Inishmore QT, either, even though I DID see the posts in question before they were removed. It's like you see what you expect to see, most of the time.

Romanic, I'm really glad you got away with it.

That's the third incident of the same kind (that I'm aware of) in not that many months (Renata in a recent NotW, me in RotS, and now Romanic). Let that be a lesson to all, ALWAYS use your ordinary name in ALL QTs. The only exception is of course if you need to hide your identity from others who can legally read that QT, but that wasn't the case in either of these incidents. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/old.gif

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Originally Posted by Niklas

Bah, where's the glory in that? What bigger triumph than to have your foes alive until the very end, yet still defeat them? I certainly hoped to keep you and Renata around until the very end in RotS :beam: - sadly I never got the chance. ~;)

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Hence why I sought to kill my friends ;) But I was really nerveous about whether it'd paint a target on me... Per example, I was considering asking you why you blamed TinCow, but decided to shut up about it and let it lie. Curiosity and the cat and all that jazz. It also helped that the kill pattern had been somewhat odd from the beginning, even though the "replacements being killed" should really have made me a bigger target when it failed to happen to me.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

:laugh4:

Killing me never works well for the town. Or for the mafia.

Thank you Andres.

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To Andres, you joined us under dubious circumstances, but we were much better off for it. For those who have forgotten, or were not around.

~:cheers:

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that was so funny!

Well, since I'm going to be participating in my first online Mafia game in a couple of weeks, I'd decided to study an existing Mafia game (this had been the most recently updated thread at the time) to get an idea of how things work.

At first I was turned off by the bandwagons, meaningless spam, and esoteric allusions to prior games; slogging through all the junk was mindnumbingly tedious, and the mildly interesting lynchings and night scenes alleviated the dullness only briefly. I began to grow disillusioned with the entire concept of Mafia, with its arbitrary and restrictive rules, with the way the prior experiences of the participants seemed to decide the course of the gane.

My old aversion to all things Gameroom had never seemed more justified than the instant before I reached the Night 9 writeup. Then everything changed.

Reading through the increasingly desperate and disparate analyses, I sensed the excitement and dread that permeated those posts like the smell of slightly less-than-fresh corpses, and even, to an extent, absorbed some of the players' residual emotions. The suspense became intolerable; I screamed at the slightest potential relevation; I scornfully dismissed arguments that I had found myself wholeheartedly subscribing to mere half-pages ago. I was caught up in the mob fever and fell prey to the same faulty logic and dangerous assumptions that cost Town the game. I have to commend the Ancient and his minions for the single greatest example of chicanery and misdirection that I have ever witnessed, bar none. I now understand why Mafia is so popular here.

aka :daisy: amazing

Azathoth, I can understand your feelings about the beginning rounds. You can usually gloss over a lot of the chit chat without missing much. Alternatively, there's also small games, which are usually more too the point, if less grand.

Also, welcome to mafia! :wink:

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Originally Posted by TheFlax

Alternatively, there's also small games, which are usually more too the point, if less grand.

Also, welcome to mafia! :wink:

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Some of the smallest games can be the most intense.... I still remember TheFlax's Mass Effect game because every round was this high pressure critical lynch for every faction alive. Then even the in-thread discussion got exciting and heated straight from the first lynch onwards.

Large games are generally about lucky guesses and whittling down the suspects. That's the perfect time to lynch distracting people, it seems.... :evil:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Some of the smallest games can be the most intense.... I still remember TheFlax's Mass Effect game because every round was this high pressure critical lynch for every faction alive. Then even the in-thread discussion got exciting and heated straight from the first lynch onwards.

Large games are generally about lucky guesses and whittling down the suspects. That's the perfect time to lynch distracting people, it seems.... :evil:

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And yeah like CDF's most recen... wait, there was a Mass Effect mafia?
:jawdrop:

Yup, right here.

I agree with ATPG though, I like Small Games a lot, even though they get less of a spotlight. Large games of course, do have their awesome moments, especially when you have a great host like Andres. :yes:

I like games where everyone has a named role, even if it's "you are Bob McBoberson and are a basic townine," and Capo-style actions.