ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

Seems the IS isn't having all that much fun this time regardless, go team Kurdistan.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Isis is advancing at Kobane at Syrian Turkish border and has now one third of the city under its thumb. Once again this shows that air superiority is not everything. Now US is trying its best to get Turkey to send land forces, but i doubt Turks arent thrilled about fighting alongside the Kurdish peshmerga, so it might be that Turkey will not agree to do as US wishes.

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Coalition air strikes against Isis aid Bashar al-Assad, Syrian rebels claim

“We are losing martyrs and many get injured but no one pays any attention. Now the Syrian army is taking areas bombed by the coalition forces after the Islamic factions withdraw. I have to say that the coalition military campaign is in the interest of the Syrian regime and against the Syrian people.”

Cry me a river.

If ISIS proves to be much more resilient than expected Iam wondering what will be the line in the sand before the US will put boots on the ground again.

Whole hawg or none then?

I think this crisis is just once again showing how unable different countries are from stepping outside their partisan positions. US and Iran wasted the perfect opportunity to cooperate at the start of the conflict at Iraq, while Turkey and Kurdish organisations are unable to cooperate at Northern Syria.

At the same time the Arab countries that are in the coalition fighting against ISIS are at the same time funding similar extremist organisations all over middle east.

Maybe it would be for the best to allow ISIS to conquer the whole Sunni area of middle east, while preventing them conquering the minority areas. Then the people supporting them would be able to live the dream that is Isis and their caliphate. We simply cant think on behalf of the Sunni Arabs. Let them experience their dream and take their own actions based on those experiences.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Maybe it would be for the best to allow ISIS to conquer the whole Sunni area of middle east, while preventing them conquering the minority areas. Then the people supporting them would be able to live the dream that is Isis and their caliphate. We simply cant think on behalf of the Sunni Arabs. Let them experience their dream and take their own actions based on those experiences.

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In some of these countries it would probably just mean that the population gets even more oppressed while their leaders are the heads of ISIS anyway and wouldn't really suffer a lot. If ISIS even decide to attack these countries given that they are supposedly led and financed from there.

However, in a few years it will be more like metal on the ground, when the US sends armies of terminators and other drones to fight on the ground. At that point there will be little resistance at home regarding the caskets being sent back, it will be more of a tax issue or a balance sheet discussion.

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Originally Posted by Husar

it will be more of a tax issue or a balance sheet discussion.

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In other words, basically like it is now?

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

In other words, basically like it is now?

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Some people are actually concerned about dead Americans now, this little concern will fall away with drone armies.

Whole Hawg would be:

1. Break local "axiom of evil"
2. Establish Military Governorship
3. Begin development of "Western" institutions
4. Puppet Government advised by Military Governor
5. Continue institutional development
6. Move toward self governance
7. Transition to self security force control
8. Leave
9. Act as "aloof by reliable" big brother

Whole process would take 25-40 years, with phase 4 beginning no sooner than 5 years in and phase 6 no sooner than 10 years in.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Whole Hawg would be:

1. Break local "axiom of evil"
2. Establish Military Governorship
3. Begin development of "Western" institutions
4. Puppet Government advised by Military Governor
5. Continue institutional development
6. Move toward self governance
7. Transition to self security force control
8. Leave
9. Act as "aloof by reliable" big brother

Whole process would take 25-40 years, with phase 4 beginning no sooner than 5 years in and phase 6 no sooner than 10 years in.

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You'd also need o break the current brand of extremist Islamism, which AFAIK is Saudi-sponsored Salafism. With their up close and personal violence being their particular brand of resistance, you'll need to show that this isn't solely their domain, by showing that you're capable of being just as nasty. Only after you've shown this, do you get the luxury of showing that you can refrain from doing so, but it's your choice rather than a societal restriction. If the west isn't up to that, then their allies need to fill the gap, with the west's explicit support. Otherwise set conditions for talks with ISIS which both sides will be held to.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Ockham's razor: Kadagar uses an equals sign in the middle of a sentence where it makes little sense -> Kadagar scores very low on the intelligence standard I just set (but he may be good at skiing).



Ockham's razor: Kadagar finds the results of scientific studies absurd -> Kadagar is not very educated according to western standards of education (but he may be good at skiing).

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Well, read what I wrote again - and see if you can't make sense of it, if you just stop being linguistically overly anal about it.

Side question: When you go to the beach, do you bring meteorological charts around if someone wants to small talk about the weather?

Silly Germans :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

You'd also need o break the current brand of extremist Islamism, which AFAIK is Saudi-sponsored Salafism. With their up close and personal violence being their particular brand of resistance, you'll need to show that this isn't solely their domain, by showing that you're capable of being just as nasty. Only after you've shown this, do you get the luxury of showing that you can refrain from doing so, but it's your choice rather than a societal restriction. If the west isn't up to that, then their allies need to fill the gap, with the west's explicit support. Otherwise set conditions for talks with ISIS which both sides will be held to.

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Talk with IS? Is there anything to talk about, I have never seen something as horrible and ruthless as thIS. Talk with them, are you nuts. Kill it. Here and there. Treat it like a cancer, cut it out. Good tissue gets lost when you cut a cancer out, granted.

Over a thousand are watched by Scotland Yard just in London. Those you can't send back easily, but you can prevent making it worse by closing your borders, and adapt the tactics of mossad.

War on terror, take it seriously.

The terrorists have won. :soapbox:

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Talk with IS? Is there anything to talk about

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Ever seen the documentary "Gatekeepers"? You should. It's interviews with the six former heads of Shin Bet, Israels internal security force.

At the end of it, this hardcore pinkocommie was asked how Israel should respond to terrorism. His reply was the following:

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Even if they answer rudely, there's no alternative to talking. It's a trait of a professional intelligence operative to talk to everyone.

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There's no sense in talking to your friends about peace. You can only talk to your most extreme enemies.

If the former head of Shin Bet believes talking to groups like ISIS is the way forward, on what grounds can I object to it? My massive arm-chair experience from playing total war games?

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Well, read what I wrote again - and see if you can't make sense of it, if you just stop being linguistically overly anal about it.

Side question: When you go to the beach, do you bring meteorological charts around if someone wants to small talk about the weather?

Silly Germans :rolleyes:

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So you still think your wrong use of Ockham's razor is a good excuse not to use your brain and go with the simplest interpretation as long as it suits your prejudices?

As for the "question mark debate", I'm not sure whether you got my point there, I got yours quite a while ago. It doesn't matter how one reads your equals sign, it makes no sense there anyway and has nothing to do with the application of Ockham's razor.

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Originally Posted by Husar

So you still think your wrong use of Ockham's razor is a good excuse not to use your brain and go with the simplest interpretation as long as it suits your prejudices?

As for the "question mark debate", I'm not sure whether you got my point there, I got yours quite a while ago. It doesn't matter how one reads your equals sign, it makes no sense there anyway and has nothing to do with the application of Ockham's razor.

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I think reading it in the context it was written, it made perfect sense.

Blacks underperform in their own and in shared societys, compared internationally.

You can apply a load of intellectual arguments as to why, with ever deeper and deeper explanations...

Ooooor you can just assume black people are sub par-performers when it comes to modern society building (extremely broadly and generally speaking of course).

See, it was in this context Ockham's razor came in, hope I made myself more clear now :pray:

Funny thing is, we are all comfortable with the fact blacks are much better athletes than all other ethnicities.

Yet of course all are absolutely equal when it comes to intellectual achievement.

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Funny thing is, we are all comfortable with the fact blacks are much better athletes than all other ethnicities.

Yet of course all are absolutely equal when it comes to intellectual achievement.

~:smoking:

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It's only racism if people care...

Regardless, I honestly think we all know East Asians are smarter than us all other ethnicities anyway.

I have come to terms with East Asians beating me at Go while Black men outrun me. White people still got the hottest babes :creep:

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

1 is relative, 2 has been done before, 3 breeds resentment, 4 breeds insurgents, 5 leads to corruption, 6 leads to sectarian authoritarianism, 7 leads to defeatism on part of the locals, 8 leads to collapse, 9 is our bread and butter.

And, of course, anything that takes 25-40 years won't survive the schizophrenic mess that is US politics. I'm not poo-poo'ing, I just want to drive home the fact that there's little more we actually can do, aside from play whack-a-mole. I agree that sometimes the moles need whacking, especially ISIS, but dreaming too much farther than that will just result in another long, pointless war.

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You're numbered responses were playful but a bit too cynical (sadly, only a bit). Your last paragraph is spot on correct.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

I think reading it in the context it was written, it made perfect sense.

Blacks underperform in their own and in shared societys, compared internationally.

You can apply a load of intellectual arguments as to why, with ever deeper and deeper explanations...

Ooooor you can just assume black people are sub par-performers when it comes to modern society building (extremely broadly and generally speaking of course).

See, it was in this context Ockham's razor came in, hope I made myself more clear now :pray:

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The way you use Ockham's razor I could also say that cars move forward by magic because any other explanation is obviously way too complicated in our environment and therefore obviously wrong.
You could of course look deeper and deeper into the car but why bother if Ockham's razor already proves my most simplistic explanation true?

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Originally Posted by Husar

The way you use Ockham's razor I could also say that cars move forward by magic because any other explanation is obviously way too complicated in our environment and therefore obviously wrong.
You could of course look deeper and deeper into the car but why bother if Ockham's razor already proves my most simplistic explanation true?

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Oh c'mon Husar, you can make a better argument than that I am sure... That was just sad :shame:

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Oh c'mon Husar, you can make a better argument than that I am sure... That was just sad :shame:

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https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053619863

Last paragraph, and your "arguments" that all my arguments are just bad and sad only distract from the lack of arguments on your side, other than "Ockham's razor, I win!"

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Originally Posted by Husar

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053619863

Last paragraph, and your "arguments" that all my arguments are just bad and sad only distract from the lack of arguments on your side, other than "Ockham's razor, I win!"

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Oh well, plenty of proof that black societies tend to do rather bad...

Plenty of proof that black people tend to do less well on intelligence tests.

Plenty of evidence that East Asians do well on intelligence tests...


If you are intellectually honest, you will have to admit that a species living in separate conditions over tens of thousands of years, WILL turn out differently.


Your REAL problem, like all multiculturalists, is that you don't want it to be so. But hey, just because someone doesn't want something to be true, doesn't mean it isn't true.

I will fully agree that the implication of grading ethnicities in intellectuality is problematic, and can have grave and often unfair ramifications in society...

But at the end of the day, if we want this planet to work we at first need to come to terms with exactly with what we deal with. Brushing issues under the mat because they are politically uncorteous is... No way forward.

I've seen black people post more coherent things than Kadagar, does that disprove the stuff he's been writing so far, or what?

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Originally Posted by Hax

I've seen black people post more coherent things than Kadagar, does that disprove the stuff he's been writing so far, or what?

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No dear sir, that is just rubbish argumentation from your side.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Oh well, plenty of proof that black societies tend to do rather bad...

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Tend to do rather bad in what? Plenty of evidence that white idiots tend to destroy the ozone layer above them and poison their own food in an attempt to preserve the really stupid monocultures that continue to destroy everyone's habitat...

If that doesn't qualify as doing rather bad...

I assume though, that you think getting a new iPhone every year and throwing the old one into a river is the only definition of doing well.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Plenty of proof that black people tend to do less well on intelligence tests.

Plenty of evidence that East Asians do well on intelligence tests...

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I also scored really high in an online intelligence test, does that make me a genius or an east asian?

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

If you are intellectually honest, you will have to admit that a species living in separate conditions over tens of thousands of years, WILL turn out differently.

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You mean like some have a darker skin than others?
How does the skin relate to the brain exactly? How do you measure the deficiencies or proficiencies in the brain? With intelligence tests designed for white people of white culture who went to white schools and learned white things? If you design different tests for different cultures, are the results comparable? If so, how and why?

I know that you do not want to think about this, but it is the basis of your argument, if the tests that led to the numbers for your funky stormfront intelligence world maps are neither comparable nor reliable, then how can you call them facts?

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Your REAL problem, like all multiculturalists, is that you don't want it to be so. But hey, just because someone doesn't want something to be true, doesn't mean it isn't true.

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And this could in no way apply to you in reverse I assume, because your evidence is solid.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

I will fully agree that the implication of grading ethnicities in intellectuality is problematic, and can have grave and often unfair ramifications in society...

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According to some of my grades, I am also an idiot (or barely passable as educated), yet you keep telling me that you believe I can do better. Are you just playing with me?

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

But at the end of the day, if we want this planet to work we at first need to come to terms with exactly with what we deal with. Brushing issues under the mat because they are politically uncorteous is... No way forward.

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So you finally admit that we white people and the up-and-coming super-stupid yellow people should stop our factories and cars to make the planet work better? We already know that we are dealing with all kinds of toxic gasses that we pollute the air with simply to get more bling bling and comforty stuff and to prove to ourselves and other that we are superior to the others. Why elese would someone want a billion dollars, an expensive car and a yacht? Hardly to fulfill the evolutionary goal of spreading one's genes, given how rich people get fewer children, which basically means they remove their genes from the gene pool voluntarily, especially on an international scale.

Kadahar is right, multiculturalists refuse to differantiate between what they want things to be and what is simply so. He calls it a lack of intellectual integrity, I go even further, I call multicultaralists deeply religious. Screw facts, es muss sein.

Husar, I admit that other ethnicities than Africans have been detrimental to nature, of course. However, what the hell makes you think Warlord M'beke Mg'Hhgi would have done a better job, were he leading the worlds scientific progress?

I fully agree that western society is a disaster in its current form. African society also is, and even worse.

And when it comes to where the world would go to help the problem... Yeah, let's hope we don't put too much trust on Africa, shall we?

So that argument of yours is = nothing.


You talk a lot... a LOT... about IQ tests being made for white persons... I ask in return, where are the intelligence tests for black persons?

It's like you automatically assume they have some hidden intellectual power we just don't know of. What the heck makes you think so? They seem to fail at pretty much anything, so again... If they have some extra intellectual powers, why do these never (or so rarely) seem to pop up positively in society ?

What would, in your world and perspective, a test for "black" intelligence be anyway? What hidden gems are there in the black gene pool, according to you?

We already know black people generally have a higher kinetic intelligence (how the brain interact with the body), so I'll grant you that. But what other of the 7 commonly held intelligences do you seriously think black people manifest on better levels than the rest?

"Blacks" are better runners, "Sloped Eyed People" are better thinkers... And us "pale-faces" have women with rocking bod's.

Nature already balanced it out for us, no need to get any panties in a twist when differences are argued.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Sloped Eyed people are better thinkers...

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Jesus Christ man.

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Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

Jesus Christ man.

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I should have inserted a wink or something... Instead of trusting my fellow Orgahs to detect sarcasm. I thought describing myself as a "pale face" would be enough...

But what do you know, people still surprise me.

EDIT: Then again, a whink might have insinuated tilted eyes...

Being politically correct really is a minefield, isn't it? I mean, when someone takes offense from "slope eyed people are more intelligent" then you just KNOW the person isn't Asian.

Get an actual eastern Asian in here to take offense, or untwist your panties :shrug: