ISIS on the offensive in Iraq

[Pannonian]

Whole Hawg would be:

1. Break local "axiom of evil"
2. Establish Military Governorship
3. Begin development of "Western" institutions
4. Puppet Government advised by Military Governor
5. Continue institutional development
6. Move toward self governance
7. Transition to self security force control
8. Leave
9. Act as "aloof by reliable" big brother

Whole process would take 25-40 years, with phase 4 beginning no sooner than 5 years in and phase 6 no sooner than 10 years in.

You'd also need o break the current brand of extremist Islamism, which AFAIK is Saudi-sponsored Salafism. With their up close and personal violence being their particular brand of resistance, you'll need to show that this isn't solely their domain, by showing that you're capable of being just as nasty. Only after you've shown this, do you get the luxury of showing that you can refrain from doing so, but it's your choice rather than a societal restriction. If the west isn't up to that, then their allies need to fill the gap, with the west's explicit support. Otherwise set conditions for talks with ISIS which both sides will be held to.

[Fragony]

You'd also need o break the current brand of extremist Islamism, which AFAIK is Saudi-sponsored Salafism. With their up close and personal violence being their particular brand of resistance, you'll need to show that this isn't solely their domain, by showing that you're capable of being just as nasty. Only after you've shown this, do you get the luxury of showing that you can refrain from doing so, but it's your choice rather than a societal restriction. If the west isn't up to that, then their allies need to fill the gap, with the west's explicit support. Otherwise set conditions for talks with ISIS which both sides will be held to.

Talk with IS? Is there anything to talk about, I have never seen something as horrible and ruthless as thIS. Talk with them, are you nuts. Kill it. Here and there. Treat it like a cancer, cut it out. Good tissue gets lost when you cut a cancer out, granted.

Over a thousand are watched by Scotland Yard just in London. Those you can't send back easily, but you can prevent making it worse by closing your borders, and adapt the tactics of mossad.

War on terror, take it seriously.

[drone]

The terrorists have won.

[HoreTore]

Talk with IS? Is there anything to talk about

Ever seen the documentary "Gatekeepers"? You should. It's interviews with the six former heads of Shin Bet, Israels internal security force.

At the end of it, this hardcore pinkocommie was asked how Israel should respond to terrorism. His reply was the following:

Even if they answer rudely, there's no alternative to talking. It's a trait of a professional intelligence operative to talk to everyone.

There's no sense in talking to your friends about peace. You can only talk to your most extreme enemies.

If the former head of Shin Bet believes talking to groups like ISIS is the way forward, on what grounds can I object to it? My massive arm-chair experience from playing total war games?