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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Existence is a fact. Israel has majority diplomatic recognition as a sovereign state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menachem Begin
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Existence is a fact. Israel has majority diplomatic recognition as a sovereign state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Menachem Begin
For a soveriegn State to be properly recognised it needs defined borders ? Where are Israels ?Quote:
Existence is a fact. Israel has majority diplomatic recognition as a sovereign state.
What is the legal basis for the foundation of Israel ?
Well done , in a topic where we are now discussing terrorists claims about their right to form their state as they see fit you quote a terrorist talking about his right to form a state as he sees fit .
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Open letter to the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQSf...=1&tbl_archief
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Israel has de facto recognition from the majority of states in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Bloody hell Frag you really have surpassed yourself this time .
Kahane ??????Quote:
My objective is to show who meir kahane was and what he said.
the Israelis and Americans both called him a terrorist nut .
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Interesting .Quote:
Israel has de facto recognition from the majority of states in the world.
Palestine has recognition from the majority of states on the world .
The Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic has de facto recognition of the Free Zone .
Taiwan is only recognised by 23 countries .
Do you see where the legality aspect of this comes in yet ?
He makes it pretty clear he's just an ordinary Israeli citizin and that is his perspective, rockets-in-the face-just-suck-it-up technically speaking, or does that logic only comes into full effect when it are non-jews, you seem to be so particulary thoughtfull of the motivations of the arabs even when they are vowing to kill all jews, which is of course a reaction to the reaction of how was reacted upon a reaction of how was reacted on a reaction, or however you want to justify the need to completely whipe out a people and their country for whatever rightious cause that makes your birthday-party's somewhat interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Replace the Israeli rifle with a grenade.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy
Babies!
And the Palestinian one with a suicide vest...Quote:
Originally Posted by SwedishFish
Yeah Kahane was just an ordinary Israeli citizen too , before that he was just an ordinary american citizen , both countries call him a racist terrorist , what more perspective on his view do you need ?Quote:
He makes it pretty clear he's just an ordinary Israeli citizin and that is his perspective
So in his perspective a statement like this is right ...
Western democracy has to be ruled out. For me that's cut and dried: there's no question of setting up democracy in Israel, because democracy means equal rights for all, irrespective of racial or religious origins
Nice eh ?
I suppose he also agrees from his perspective that Israel includes all the UN allocated territory , all the occupied territory , large parts of Jordan Syria Iraq Lebanon and North Egypt and all non jews must be either expelled or killed .
Like I said , you really have surpassed yourself Frag .:2thumbsup:
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
No not nice, but understandable, I do not know this man but I have no objections about what is said in that video, so you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Bopa:
Please take your attitude and shelve it. I noted to Griz that the doctrine of "by conquest" HAD -- please note the tense -- a general "acceptance" in international relations. I was suggesting that to dismiss the concept entirely was therefore innacurate. I was careful to note that most nations have repudiated this notion (by virtue of their membership in the UN if nought else).
In short, I was bringing up an analytical point that bears relevance to the larger issue. If you had paused in your vitriolic response, you might have noted that:
1) as Israel draws its legitimacy from the 1947 UN decision to establish that state, Israel is a product of the organization whereby most nations have forsworn conquest but has itself -- at least twice (1948 and 1967) -- acquired territory in conflict and
2) Israel is currently in possession of territories that were set aside for an arab state in the 1947 UN decision;
you could thereby make an argument that Israel de-legitimated itself from the outset. Of course, you chose more a more "strident" response instead. :shame:
On your other "barb:"
You have a right to consider the USA to be an imperialist nation -- you're entitled to hold whatever opinions you wish.
I, myself, DREAM of a world for me and for my children in which the United States, with its current outlook on the world, is the MOST imperialist/aggressive state out there.
Israel our proxy? Chat with Krook if you want to hear about life as a "proxy" hewing wood and hauling water for someone else's agenda. Ally, yes. Take the opportunity to test out weapons systems with live fire, yes. Beg Mossad for humint we were dumb enough to discard or not develop in the region, yes. But a proxy? Don't think so.
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Originally Posted by Fragony
Didn't see the particular vid in question, but Kahane has a reputation that is as extremist/reactionary as Wilders, if not more so. The Knesset banned his entire party as racists and the USA did formally condem the Kahane Chai organization as a terrorist organization.
Presuming Kahane is a "typical" voice for Israel would be akin to labeling OBL a "typical" voice for Islam.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/wo...ef=todayspaper
Make sure they are civilians, round em up, bomb em, don't go and help them...
Now why didn't the Israeli Army not even go to help or take the wounded/dead away? Why did they even stop the Red Cross for doing so?
Even if they thought there were terrorists inside they would move in to engage or to ensure the target is neutralized. You don't just sit next to a potentially hostile building just because you bombed it.
It seems to me that the intention here was to just make people suffer. Make sure many of them die slowly and in pain. Do people really rejoice by such actions? Noone wonders who authorizes such actions?
They were signed under pressure. Documents signed under pressure are illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
There, now give us all that land back please or I'll start firing homemade LEGO rockets into Poland. :eyebrows:
Concerning the nice picture with the babies, there are two problems I have with it:
1) the israeli soldiers have a tendency to fire anyway
2) I guess the assault rifles can easily penetrate the first target
so all four of the depicted persons will be dead in the end and what's the whole point of the picture now? :inquisitive:
Except of course proving the point that the whole thing is a bloody mess and both sides are being idiots.
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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Yes, hilarious "hooahguy" how the Palestinian militants are depicted as fighting among the civilian population.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy
Well duh smart guy, did you know that they live there as well? There in the overcrowded Gaza Strip? Where else can the Palestinians fight the Israeli invaders? North Dakota?
So that means Britain can have America back as it was under pressure when it signed the Paris treatyQuote:
They were signed under pressure. Documents signed under pressure are illegal.
So does that mean that Egypts and Jordans peace deals with Israel are illegal ?
If Hamas or Israel signs a ceasefire is that illegal ?
Yes plenty of objections , because it is the usual hate filled crap from Kahane .Quote:
No not nice, but understandable, I do not know this man but I have no objections about what is said in that video, so you do?
I think a lot of us are currently asking the question of the guy on the left side - unfortunately there are a lot of doubts that the people in charge are asking the same questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Currently this "caricature" seems somewhat meaningless... (but I guess everybody can scribble a little picture on paper and just make stuff up)
Only error there: not "shoot" but "kill them all"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
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Yes, about time, America needs CCTVs and a gun ban. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
That depends on who proposed them, if the weaker party did then they are legal because the stronger party was not under pressure signing them. IIRC the idea to give away Prussia did not exactly come from the german side they just had no way to say no to it and would have signed almost anything at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Nownow how would you know, everybody knows Israel doesn't allow any journalists :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Nor food or humanitarian aid.Quote:
everybody knows Israel doesn't allow any journalists
yeah terrible. Maybe they should have used the fertiliser to grow crops instead of making explosives, just an idea. But alas they didn't and now they cry, maybe their arab brothers can spare some they care so very, very deeply after all. Oh silly me they prefer them poor and hungry makes for better pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
Fragony, arguing with someone like you is pointless. For some reason, the idea of peace just doesn't enter your mind. I don't know whatever happened that you hate the Palestinians so much, but the way you regard Arabs and Muslims as second-range humans sickens me.
Yeah how very terrible of me that I, unlike some, am not particulary sympathatic towards a internationaly recognised terrorist-organisation who wants to whipe out an entire country and it's people. Not particulary fond of the palestinians no, and the palestinians that don't support Hamas are either dead, have fled, or are too terrified to speak up by now. If you burn your :daisy: you will have to sit on the blisters as we say here in Holland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
Fled. Fled where? The borders are sealed! And as another party was democratically elected they have to leave all their possessions and try to get through an Israeli cordon. Yeah, that'd work
Under 50% voted for Hamas.
Ergo THOUSANDS didn't want Hamas, but have no choice but to stay as they can't leave.
myopic or moronic. Not sure which...
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Hence too terrified to speak up, do you know any palestinians? Hamas is one sick organisation they aren't the poor and deprived organised, Hamas is the scum of the earth and it should be dead, gone, finito.Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk