The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by seireikhaan

Nice of you to join us, SEAMUS.

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Really now? Because you voted for Ichigo when the lynch was down to Seamus and him.

Maybe the twist is that the detective is evil. lol.

This is awesome. Thanks for the burst of activity, guys, I really enjoy it. :yes:

Did I ever mention im extremely dense when it comes to hints... if someone can figure it out and spell it out to me it would be much appreciated...

GH: No, no. Thank you for the game!

(this is the part were you are over awed by my politeness and drop me a few hints via pm ~;))

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Really now? Because you voted for Ichigo when the lynch was down to Seamus and him.

Maybe the twist is that the detective is evil. lol.

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Here and there.

Seamus is scum and you didn't vote him because your an evil detective...

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

(this is the part were you are over awed by my politeness and drop me a few hints via pm ~;))

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As much as I enjoy monologuing, I'd prefer it if you guys stayed tortured until the very end.

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

Seamus is scum and you didn't vote him because your an evil detective...

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:laugh4: :laugh4:

This is fun.

khaan capitalized Evil unnecessarily in one of his posts, in reference to sharks with lasers which is a reference to Dr. Evil. This clearly indicates who is guilty.

1- I never stated I had a role, and I'm unsure of why you would be trying to mislead others into thinking I actually had one, SASAKI.

2- Take from my posts what you will. However, anything I post is with full intent.

Im going to stick with the bolded names... Sasaki and Seamus... the rest of the sentences are just confusing as hell...

ahh what the hell

Vote Sasaki

I don't even now what khaan's trying to tell me about him, but i have disliked the way he has lead the town to several lynches... and partially because im off soon and im not sure when the voting closes... if i have time ill come back to look again at the situation...

So far what I figured is Seireikhaan, Sasaki and Seamus has something in common..

Smack me in the head now... :smash:

Vote: Seamus

Alright seirei, let's see if you're telling the truth.

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

So far what I figured is Seireikhaan, Sasaki and Seamus has something in common..

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We're all awesome?

I am lost:dizzy2:.....so what?....the detective(Khaan) was evil?:juggle2: anyway....I feel like Khaan is just screwing with us.....or is a scumbag trying to throw us off....(he is too good at his job:furious3:)

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

We're all awesome?

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No... all of you has a s in your names..

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Originally Posted by 187Beefyz

No... all of you has a s in your names..

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DON'T LISTEN TO KHAAN.......he is always Anti-town....even when he is town....:whip:
I never would trust him.....on "family guy mafia" his mind games alone helped Mafia win.....he even got an award for it....:furious3:

Sasaki is right on that part.. A is for awesome :clown:

I'm willing to listen to Khaan a little more.. I'm interested

I'm thinking it was a prank...if none of us can figure out what khaan was supposed to be hinting at in those posts even when we look over them carefully, how is the mafia supposed to have seen it? Consider also that the mafia killed tincow who isn't a trusted person either.

Since none of the posts 'Khaan made on the days we're supposed to be looking at refernce Seamus or Sasaki, then I freely admit that I don't get the bolding. I'm also somewhat in agreement with Sasaki, if, with hints, noone can figure out what 'Khaan is trying to say, then how would a mafioso pick up on it and then eliminate him as a threat.

With the lyrics would the 'nothing ever changes' bit make sense to anyone with reference to the game (in particular previous iterations of 'The Godfather' series)?

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Tally:

Askthepizzaguy: 5 - TSzat, SK, Andres, RR, SF

TevashSzat: 2 - QJC, YLC

YLC: 1 - 777Ares777
Quintus.JC: 1 - Gaius Scribonius Curio
Reenk Roink: 1 - Chaotix27
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 - LittleGrizzly
Seamus Fermanagh: 1 - Psychonaut

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For reference

A tough (mountain of posts to) 'climb' ahead...

I don't know what SEIREIKHAAN is up to :shrug:

Is he claiming detective who had a guilty result on Sasaki and Seamus ?

Or maybe the twist is that we had a serial killer and that it was 'khaan? He's acting weird enough to be roleplaying some sort of crazy psychopath :inquisitive:

Vote: Tevash

I think theres enough reasons to get Tevash lynched. While his not acting suspicious, I think he still falls in the category of lurking.

If Ignomorus does not come on by the next round, he will be getting my vote..

VOILA I GOT MY NAME BACK!! WOOT!

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Askthepizzaguy: 5 - TSzat, SK, Andres, RR, SF

TevashSzat: 4 - QJC, YLC, Beefy, ATPG

YLC: 1 - 777Ares777
Quintus.JC: 1 - Gaius Scribonius Curio
Reenk Roink: 1 - Chaotix27
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 - LittleGrizzly
Seamus Fermanagh: 1 - Psychonaut

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I would be derelict in my duties if I didn't offer you guys a choice. You can resolve the matter against me this round, or lynch one of my suspects.

I won't plead for my life. But don't let Tevash or Reenk off the hook if I am to be lynched this round.

Vote: TevashSzat

Because Reenk escaped this round, and Tevash is on my priority list.

Individual responses:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by 777Ares777

look posts 291# - 303 for ATPG worringly similiar behavior as to this game by the way, if you want to look.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...217758&page=16

oh and orgahs join some games at the twc, it be fun! :clown:

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Oh absolutely I have done this before as mafia to intentionally mislead town. And by the way, it didn't fool anyone in that game, in fact DisgruntledGoat was going to have me killed but they decided to flip a coin.

I could say it's not worth it to try, but it is. However, Ares is right, he knows I did this as mafia before. I've also done it as a townie. My argument is no longer aimed at proving my innocence, and I will submit to being investigated or lynched, or if you're feeling bold, murder bait.

I have a bunch of people to respond to, and I don't want to have separate posts for each.

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Askthepizzaguy, I admire the effort you put in these games, I really do. And don't let some mutterings otherwise stop you. Enjoy these games in your own way. :bow:

However, any systematic method of analysis in these games is self defeating and doomed to fail. If they sometimes produce right results, it is due to coincidence purely.

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If you truly believe this, then never analyze anyone again. There is a huge streak of hypocrisy and illogic in that statement.

That said, I don't claim infallibility, and I could be wrong about you and Tevash.

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TinCow, your criticism and then tacit support of some of Askthepizzaguy conclusions confuses me (and probably yourself too), as well as your odd insistence that you have been proven innocent as if innocence implies any sort of ability to analyze better... :rolleyes:

Silence: TinCow
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

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I didn't see TinCow do anything of the sort. You're inventing reasons to criticize people. At least my criticisms are based on your actual behavior thusfar. Nice OMGUS vote, by the way. Nice try. We're both going down... shall we die together, Reenk?

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Originally Posted by Jolt

LG willingly withdrawing his vote on me, due to town pressure plus the fact that everyone has seen that I'm town seems wierd. I wish someone investigate him. I find his behaviour increasingly strange and counter-productive.

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I'm speculating, but I think he realizes the futility of continuing to go after you. And you're dead and thus proven innocent, as I predicted. And Lord Winter does seem like mafia now... otherwise mafia is taking a huge gamble. I am delighted by the idea of either scenario being the case.

:yes:

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

Really...wow......I can't say your mafia now....unless you really want to get carpel tunnel syndrome...

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I did this before as mafia, and it is by no means proof. It's not meant to be. It's meant to give reasons to look at Reenk and Tevash, and possibly prompt our lurkers into more activity.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

No and no. I don't see how you've proven yourself in any way. High activity levels don't mean you're innocent, nor do massive analysis posts. If you were mafia, your WALL OF TEXT is a great way to bludgeon people until they do what you want, because most people won't read it and you know it. It's easy to hide logical fallacies and errors when you post so much text that no one can even remember what you wrote.

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You are absolutely correct. I merely meant that the odds are pretty high this strategy will result in my death. In fact, by my consent and yours, I'm due to die three lynches from now or sooner, due to the possibility of me being wrong. And I am totally fine with that. As such, perhaps investigations are wasted on me, as I will be dead anyway. Use them to find the other suspects.

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You also have not been playing strange. You post an absurd amount, both in frequency and in quantity, in every single game I've been in with you. You also act like you are the ultimate town protector in the games I've played with you. This is the exact same thing you're doing here. So, no, you have not been acting strangely.

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Perhaps my 'strangeness' is in relation to games I've been mafia in. I've never posted this much or aroused so much suspicion intentionally. That said, I am done defending myself, I am scheduled to die and I am fine with it.

Thank you for considering my opinions with an open mind. Sorry Andres for putting you through that.

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Despite any criticism above, ATPG has made a very good analysis of in-game behavior. There is a lot of common sense in what he finds innocent and what he finds scummy. I'm personally not convinced at all on Ignoramus, who I personally find to be generally lazy at times and I think that's what's going on here. However, his points on Reenk Roink and TevashSzat are well-analyzed, well-argued, and consistent. TevashSzat also fits my mental profile for the person who wrote the N1 kill write-up and has since switched to plagiarism to cover their writing style.

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I believe Ignoramus may in fact be totally himself, too. I was hoping the pressure would make him crack. He hasn't, and in fact he spoke to me in private briefly about his upcoming game and when I mentioned I was putting him "on trial" so to speak, he seemed very calm and indifferent. That proves nothing, but I believe he could be on our side. As long as he is lynched or investigated eventually, I don't care.

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So, my advice to the town is to follow ATPG's lead for a little while. Lynch Reenk Roink and TevashSzat, probably in that order (as TevashSzat would likely be the grunt, not the Godfather, and thus he would be the lesser target). If the game is not over after both of those two are lynched, then lynch ATPG.

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Good advice.

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Originally Posted by boudica

harsh? ...but fair I think. The beautiful thing about TinCow's proposal there is that ATPG can keep reparing holes in his SkyNet whether alive or lynched

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Indeed. This is my preliminary analysis. As the game goes on and what errors I have made have been revealed, I will rethink the situation and re-analyze the remaining players.

This war is not over by any means.

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Originally Posted by Seamus or Sigurd, I forget

Pizza:

You realize that, vis-a-vis this game, your discussion of your tool also provides clear evidence that you have been poring over the specific posts of previous games....which we know figures prominently in the writeups of each night phase. This too is food for thought.

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Thank you for continuing to be critical of me and paying attention. However, when the game is over, we will know who stands where. And I would not rip off someone else's murders. i've never gotten a chance to write my own murders. Only as a host have I done so.

Frankly, it's too tempting a proposition to be able to write my own murders. When I am given that chance by a host, I will take it. And I would delight in leaving self-incriminating but inscrutable clues for town in my own posts if I did so. But the "if I were mafia" discussion here is distracting and unnecessary. I'm scheduled for death, so let's just proceed and focus on the other suspects. I don't mind talking about me, but I think we have done that plenty.

:bow:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I like the analysis although I think you mark off too many people as townie for convenience sake. There are several who I think are capable--even if they showed scummy behavior in the other games you analyzed--of appearing townie up to this point. I'm also very familiar with the "I have it all figured out" epiphany (and have a tradition of pm'ing GH my later-revealed-to-be-ridiculous suspicions :laugh4:), and it can often blind you to the truth.

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Very, very true. My instinct against TinCow, and consequently, Andres, in Chicago, plus a prejudiced analysis of their behavior (which was defensive, to be sure... just for innocent reasons) led to a very very bad epiphany.

I would like to say however, I do not believe I have this all figured out. This analysis, exhaustive though it may be, is incomplete for one, and preliminary for another.

I am not through harassing the mafia yet. As the game goes on, they will have much difficulty hiding. I particularly like how they have only one kill so early. More time for us to find them.

:smash:

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I wouldn't put reenk in the guilty pile. He could be mafia for sure, but he always plays the game his own way as town or as mafia. Setting himself up as "defender of beefy" fits right in. I don't object to his lynch but it's something to keep in mind.

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I want to say that his style of play in this game seems different from his established townie style. From where I sit, he has far more absurd jokes, smiley face spam, self-incriminating behavior for no apparent reason, and just plain clownishness in other games. And he's been decisively ignoring me this entire game. I am a difficult man to ignore, and given how talkative he usually is, I wonder why we haven't chatted at all, nor has he commented on me, nor has he escaped from the clutches of the middle of the post count list, or as I call it, the non-lurking mafia's lair.

That said, he's too unpredictable for me to be sure I've nailed him, and I am not resting on my laurels.

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Tevash was someone I was going to take a look at come daytime.

Ignoramus always lurks and has been WoG'd countless times.

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Agreed, and agreed.

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Oh, and shlin is someone I used to keep around to get lynched in the endgame when I was mafia :laugh4:

I'm pretty optimistic for this game, we have a huge number of lynch rounds if the mafia are indeed at one kill. Although something tells me none of the "suspects" will be killed anytime soon.

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We shall see. I think I have some supporters, and if I am wrong, my death will be most justified for wasting your time. Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt.

Edit: I see I'm scheduled to be lynched sooner than expected. Fair enough. No benefit of doubt for the pizza man... ever!

LOL


I didn't get to Reenk's rebuttal nor Tevash's. I would like to hear what their alternative suspects are, perhaps I missed them. And frankly, since I don't KNOW you're guilty, it does me no good to bother debating with you. I made my case, you responded. Let's lynch and move on.

It's between myself and Tevash. Please do not stand on the sidelines.

Unless you were considering voting me, of course. :laugh4:

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I wish to be clear about something.

Our work is by no means finished, and although I believe there is a strong chance at least one of my suspects are guilty, I also recognize that townies leave false signals.

We should not be complacent. I find it important to recognize that it is relatively easy to fool my detection net by keeping mistakes to a minimum. As such, many of those players with a relatively small post count and low-key strategy can easily slip through undetected. Investigation on such characters would seem to be in order.

Although I think I we a few good moves, the game is not over. And until it does, vigilance should be our watchword. Stay observant.

Hey ATPG. It's not necessary to post three times in a row; there's an "edit" button below each of your posts ~;)

:bow:

Unvote: Seamus

Vote: TevashSzat

Sorry TevashSzat, but you are more worthy a lynch than ATPG. Plus, there's a chance that seirei is just confussing us/me.

I believe with a high degree of certainty that seireikhaan's innocence is proven completely due to the two mafia murders at the time.

I can recheck, but if I am wrong on that someone will tell me of course.


EDIT: Yes, here is the proof. There were two murders at the time.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=351

Unless the mafia killed one of their own. Play the odds. It's a terrible move for the mafia to do, and Seireikhaan is NOT trying to influence the game to any great extent. Use Occam's razor.



Tally-

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Askthepizzaguy: 5 - TSzat, SK, Andres, RR, SF
TevashSzat: 5 - QJC, YLC, Beefy, ATPG, Psychonaut

YLC: 1 - 777Ares777
Quintus.JC: 1 - Gaius Scribonius Curio
Reenk Roink: 1 - Chaotix27
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 - LittleGrizzly

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I used glyphz' tally as a base, so I am going to double check this.

Double checked, it's accurate.

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Tevash: 5 (QJC, post 702. YLC, post 713. Beefy, post 771, ATPG post 772, Psychonaut post 776)
ATPG: 5 (Tevash, 712. Sasaki Kojiro, post 714. Andres, post 719, Reenk Roink post 721, Seamus post 748)
YLC: 1 (Ares, post 715)
QJC: 1 (GSC post 724)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Chaotix, post 727)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (LittleGrizzly, post 759)

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You made a fatal error, Reenk.

I don't care who dies this round, me or Tevash (though obviously I prefer Tevash) but I have proof that Reenk is just making stuff up as he goes. Read his words.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

OK, so I'm going to be nice and somewhat validate all the work Askthepizzaguy did. :laugh4:

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This will be very amusing.

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I went back and actually looked at your long post instead of just going on skimming what other people said you said about me.

OK first of all I didn't make any grabs for Chief of Police at all, it was thrown on me.

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You could have had your partners suggest you as a candidate to make it less suspicious. But this is unimportant.

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I thought it would be funny if I could do the writeups but shlin wanted to be CoP badly and he actually had enough support behind it so I gave it to him. This is absolutely untrue.

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There is no way to know for sure. But it does not matter. Read on.

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The reason I defended Beefy is because I've always noticed he goes too early every single game and I know it gets frustrating. One guy I'm pulling for this game is Beefy to be sure. I'm pretty sure he's townie, but if he's Mafia, well, I'd still pull for him. :2thumbsup: :bow:

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Beefy is a townie (I suspect) but the point is he only had a little heat on him and he's still alive. It's totally unnecessary for you to defend him, and as a townie, you would have no way of knowing if he's guilty or not. Even if you were an investigator, because it's NOT 100% in this game.

Point is, your defense of beefy is unwarranted, and scummy. But that's even less of a clue. Read on.

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As for the rest, you either get suspicious of me because I made a joke or I didn't make a joke. :rolleyes4:

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I am not suspicious of you when you joke, as it is par for the course. I suggest you are being more serious than usual for you. However, we can quibble over that all day. I have something much better on you, my little Reenky friend.

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Do you want me to open my paraconsistent toolbox to deal with your reasoning now.

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By all means. But be prepared for me to do the same, scumbag. :clown:

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Vote: Askthepizzaguy

I'm just going to get rid of you because I don't want to be questioned or examined anymore. I don't think you're guilty (you may be) but I like to remove threats against me and keep people who aren't so opposed to what I do.

I also think that TinCow is absolutely some kind of non town thing, the way he said your case against me was good and such.

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Bolded part one: Absolutely atrocious townie behavior. You should be ASHAMED of yourself for admitting this. You don't think I am guilty and you're voting for me?

part two: TinCow is absolutely innocent as has been proven by the fact that he was killed by the mafia.

This was the start of the "one murder" era of this game, but Lord Winter was the scumbag. Look how he's not participating anymore. You're a total scumbag for accusing TinCow. You are literally suggesting that the mafia murdered one of their own just so that TinCow could take control of the game.

You see conspiracies against you Reenk. Utterly absurd. Yes, me and TinCow are mafia and we are conspiring to destroy YOU personally. Paranoia does not become you.

I'll be dead this round or in the next. Seriously, though, you need to die.

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Then he made some case about how he was a proven innocent and how that implied he didn't intend to mislead the town. Great kill Mafia, great kill.

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Utter nonsense.





Town, when I am dead, lynch this guy. End him, and I will thank you. By the way, if I am mafia, I have an absurd number of partners both dead and alive, apparently.

Here's another "likely scumbag", because he has the courage to listen to me.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix27

Sorry, Reenk, but this is possibly the worst reasoning I've ever seen you give for a serious vote. First: If you don't think ATPG is mafia, then who do you suspect? Surely you must have some opinion about who may be guilty, or who's acting scummy? You're a smart one, Reenk. You will have noticed if someone's acting differently. And if by chance you haven't, whatever happened to "Reenk Roink abstains courteously" when there is no clear suspect?

And yet, you choose not to voice any opinion, and instead vote for somebody who you don't believe is guilty, but just want to stop from helping the town by questioning and examining. Tell me, are we supposed to just stop examining you and look for other suspects, because you said you didn't like people opposing you? Do you think ATPG will stop using SkyNet on you just because he's been lynched?

And then there's the reasoning that TinCow must be scum, even though he was killed when both mafia were still alive, just because he decided to agree with the logical parts of ATPG's post.

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'm getting the same vibe from you that I had in The Prometheus, now. Give it a couple rounds, we'll have a detective reveal from you.

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DEFEND YOURSELF, REENK. For now you must certainly die. And by the way, here's another brilliancy:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Ok...

The only great thing is that the Mafia will probably kill Atpg (and maybe you) to make me look guilty, but it's good because they are actually doing me a favor (I can dodge the suspicion and ensure a victory for Beefy and I )

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Right. So, let's count it up. Tincow was killed by the mafia, and he's mafia. I'm mafia, and the Godfather will somehow kill me even though he cannot kill anyone yet. Will the Godfather kill himself? You just hung yourself, Reenk.

Lynch him. For the love of God, lynch him. Tevash first, then Reenk. Then kill me all you like. I will revel in your death, Reenkmeister.

Apologies Andres, this is the last time I double post. I will be better about it but no one is here talking at the moment and I needed a fresh post to keep thoughts separate.



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I hereby request an extension. I think Reenk deserves to go this round, actually. But I will vote myself this round if you promise to lynch him tomorrow, or I will vote for myself tomorrow if you will lynch him today. Or lynch Tevash as I requested. I just want more time for everyone to decide.

I can't help but feel ATPG is the wrong target here - his capping vote on LW is pretty much all the evidence that should be need for that. I would also disagree with going after Reenk - the posts that ATPG quoted on his guilt are an example of poor townie behaviour, but not out-and-out scumminess.

Why Ignoramus still alive?