04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

1 Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)

Wonder if the game's just easy.

Barto ended up on Insaner, pretty late too. That was kind of weird considering the circumstances but Insaner's 99% town anyway so I'm not looking into it any further.

Here's pzelda's vote on Monty, early on in the phase:



I think this is a strong look for Monty, considering that he and Barto were the two main wagons early on in the phase. Pzelda's townreads are also worth noting. Insaner is town, Poof is flipped town, Egix and Merl1n are there and unflipped. I feel like there has to be one partner in there. I know that I wasn't a big fan of Merl1n yesterday relative to the thread but haven't really looked at his posts yet in-depth.

2. Csargo
4. Choxorn
5. Zack
11. ladd
12. Cuthillius
13. Egix
14. Newyn
17. merl1n

Scum probably in here. Let's get this list pared down even more.

Vote: Egix

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I should have removed Zack from the above.

2. Csargo
4. Choxorn
11. ladd
12. Cuthillius
13. Egix
14. Newyn
17. merl1n

Where I'm actually at.

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Originally Posted by ladd

barto cares so little about surviving and it's actually starting to seem kinda wolfy

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this looks pretty good tho. he couldn't know that el barto would die at night, so hed be voting 1 partner and shading the other

something i thought about overnight when looking at who was in the game was that i think no one mentioned csargo at all yesterday, despite him barely posting. other ppl who didn't post much got scrutiny/votes, but he got none. meaningful? idk

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Originally Posted by Egix

Tonal meme read: Zelda saying "thrice" instead of "three times" is towny

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This is a really rough post.

:rolleyes:

gg poof

gj vig

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

1 Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)

Wonder if the game's just easy.

Barto ended up on Insaner, pretty late too. That was kind of weird considering the circumstances but Insaner's 99% town anyway so I'm not looking into it any further.

Here's pzelda's vote on Monty, early on in the phase:



I think this is a strong look for Monty, considering that he and Barto were the two main wagons early on in the phase. Pzelda's townreads are also worth noting. Insaner is town, Poof is flipped town, Egix and Merl1n are there and unflipped. I feel like there has to be one partner in there. I know that I wasn't a big fan of Merl1n yesterday relative to the thread but haven't really looked at his posts yet in-depth.

2. Csargo
4. Choxorn
5. Zack
11. ladd
12. Cuthillius
13. Egix
14. Newyn
17. merl1n

Scum probably in here. Let's get this list pared down even more.

Vote: Egix

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Don't feel like that's a great reason to remove Monty from the list, if you want to be thorough.

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Originally Posted by Egix

Yes, in both MU Anni and Throne game

In the former of those, he was on my scum team so I didn't have to read him ;), but I do think he played very well. He was one of the team captains, I guess you could say.

And in Throne, he was the Mad King (leader of one of the evil factions), I was a neutral, and I TRed him for most of the game.

So that considered, if he's scum this game, he's probably not taking it as seriously cos this isn't a mash game? Or cos he's just a goon?? Idk really.

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Originally Posted by Egix

I'm kinda internally debating with myself whether lynching you d1 is a good move or not

As for Mont, I can't really interact with him further until he comes back, which I don't think he has done yet

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Couple more Egix posts I found noteworthy. First quote has him responding to Zack, second is to ladd.

On its own, I'm 99% sure I want Egix dead today and will probably not be moving my vote from him at all day. Similar to what I picked out about pzelda being scummy for. Lots of backchatter about old games, little actual solving. On principle I think his pushing of Monty is also a bad sign and a good sign for Monty, but that's almost certainly me leaping too far ahead and looking into associative reads assuming Egix is already a dead mafioso.

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In terms of why I like Monty for town, I just find it pretty hard to picture that the leading wagons for the first half of the day were both for mafia. Like, they had to push some townie to start off, you know?

monty is a villager imo

perfectly fine clearing him, just look at the people voting him mid day+afaik pzelda isnt a busser

choxorn and egix look the worst to me so far

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Hold ladd to possible m/m for zelda-bart if one flips scum.



I know I've passed on most MU stuff. Walk me through how, as it sounds to me, GH became the next Pizza on your meta.





Cool.



Tie Barto and Zelda.

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yea

didn't someone make a post about how pzelda is a wolf if barto is a wolf, but not necessarily if barto is town? or something? maybe i'm mixing ppl up

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Originally Posted by merl1n

didn't someone make a post about how pzelda is a wolf if barto is a wolf, but not necessarily if barto is town? or something? maybe i'm mixing ppl up

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yeah that was me

yw

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Originally Posted by ladd

yea

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Word of warning: Monty's a busser, so I think solving him in terms of how other people treat him is going to be more useful here. I still think he's town though.

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Originally Posted by ladd

yeah that was me

yw

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okay

maybe you're just good here then, sorry about pushing on you d1! at least i didn't manage to get people to listen to me, which feels kind of interesting given both of the top voted ppl were bad. what were the others doing??

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Word of warning: Monty's a busser, so I think solving him in terms of how other people treat him is going to be more useful here. I still think he's town though.

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I'd tend to agree, but it might just me being overly cautious.

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Originally Posted by merl1n

okay

maybe you're just good here then, sorry about pushing on you d1! at least i didn't manage to get people to listen to me, which feels kind of interesting given both of the top voted ppl were bad. what were the others doing??

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I think we might just have an easy game, especially if Egix is one of the last remaining scum.

Reread Choxorn's iso, still too early to tell for me. I'd like to see him more involved today.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Word of warning: Monty's a busser, so I think solving him in terms of how other people treat him is going to be more useful here. I still think he's town though.

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I still fon't think he is a wolf fue to the other side of interactions anyway, but noted

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I'd tend to agree, but it might just me being overly cautious.

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Csar, what are you thinking right now? Can you give me an overview of your headspace?

early game insaner/el barto interactions are kinda weird, but insaner threatened to kill himself if pzelda was good yesterday so that's probably not something

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Csar, what are you thinking right now? Can you give me an overview of your headspace?

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Feel like Egix or Choxorn should be lynched today. Choxorn's hard to read in my experience, and I don't know anything about Egix. I read Choxorn's iso yesterday and wasn't impressed I guess you'd say and what you've posted of Egix doesn't look good.

I'm not sure what to make of ladd at this point. I want to give them some amount of credit for putting the damning vote on zelda, but looking at the vote count at the end makes that hard for me. I wouldn't vote them anytime soon though.

Felt like merl1n was good on my initial read through, and haven't really seen anything to change my mind so far other than being off the two main wagons yesterday.

Don't know anything about Newyn and nothing has stood out to me about them so far.

I'm 90% certain Logic is town. I'm pretty alright with saying you, Zack, and Insaner are town.

I feel like Cuth is playing different from what I remember about their play, so it's up in the air.

I have no read on Dya, other than zelda vote is good.

Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)

I think Monty is town, but I'm always wary of him. So there's that.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Cool. I was a bit worried about Poof there too, so that'll remove some tinfoil.

Will look into vote movements, etc tomorrow probably.

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I'm lock town!

But without knowing the differences in powers between Barto and Zelda, it's hard to read the wagons. Is there 1 mafia, 1 3P remaining? 2 Mafia? 1 Mafia? Mechanically alone, with a distribution like this the remaining scum(s) could be anywhere, including on the scum wagons. Fable, for example, could certainly be scum if Zelda was less important for night actions than Bart.

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Originally Posted by merl1n

people not voting pzelda or el barto at day end: choxorn, logic, egix, merl1n, newyn

i know im good and i think logic and newyn are good. that leaves choxorn and egix

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I agree, but don't townread Newyn.

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i still think it could be ladd, but i need to read with the information that el barto was bad and see what that changes. ladd and choxorn were options to vote but the top 2 vote getters were both bad. feels meaningful

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Considering Bart's last vote, and the existence of a ladd wagon as a counterwagon to Bart at least, and merlin's quote of ladd on Bart's self-pres, and his consistent tone, I would actually say he's probably clear. Egix is a good place to start today, I told ya he was mean (and I heard he likes pillaging).

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Originally Posted by merl1n

something i thought about overnight when looking at who was in the game was that i think no one mentioned csargo at all yesterday, despite him barely posting. other ppl who didn't post much got scrutiny/votes, but he got none. meaningful? idk

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I'm going to err on the side of caution and say he's within town meta.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Don't feel like that's a great reason to remove Monty from the list, if you want to be thorough.

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I did vote both Barto and Zelda (and Barto, that was for a reason).

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Originally Posted by ladd

yea

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Is this what they call mindmeld?

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Word of warning: Monty's a busser, so I think solving him in terms of how other people treat him is going to be more useful here. I still think he's town though.

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To be precise, I only bus on occasions when I see no alternative (except for those few times when my partners wanted me to bus them early as a gambit.)

I suppose I'll compile one of those representations of vote history for D1 wagonomics. Tomorrow.


LEANS

:bow:
insaner
merlin

:whip:
Zack

:pray:
Ladd
GH
Logic

:shrug:
dyachei
Csargo
Cuth
Choxorn
Newyn
Fable

:drama1:
Egix

Also too, I think Zack shot Barto because that would be most narratively appropriate.

confirmed/dead good:
empoof

very strong good:
zack
insaner

probably good:
ladd
general
montmorency

voted for bad(s), need to look at closer:
fable
dyachei
cuthilius
csargo

didn't vote for bad(s), but think they're good:
logic
newyn

didn't vote for bad(s), could be bad on own merit:
choxorn
egix

dead/confirmed bad:
el barto
pzelda

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I did vote both Barto and Zelda (and Barto, that was for a reason).

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:2thumbsup:

in a irl game we'd just instantly kill egix and choxorn and then see where game stands in this kind of situation

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Originally Posted by El Barto

I don't know how but, a few months away from turning 30, I feel that i don't have the levels of insanity required to batshit-post my way through two games in stereo, so I'll take on this game as I do the 36/12s on MU. Out for the day in the summer heat, back home, concentrate on the thread a bit, then back into overnight horror film marathons. I just can't post 12 hours in a row as I did when Zack et al. first knew me.

OK, I'm parking my vote here for now. Be more constructive or else.

vote: Fable

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i forgot el barto attacked fable for memeing. initial instinct is it makes fable good, but it could go either way from barto's end. i've attacked partners for not taking the game seriously before. i like fable's play independently later in day where he could have stayed on ladd but switched to a wolf instead because he'd have felt bad if we voted ladd or something?? idr details but it seems okay

fable probably good

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Originally Posted by ladd

Things wolves say about other wolves

if barto is a villager, ignore

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i dont really like ladds early game posting about both of the dead bads but this post is hard to shake

newyn voting for el barto but only doing so because he liked the people voting el barto rather than having any read on el barto themselves is good i think

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Originally Posted by merl1n

in a irl game we'd just instantly kill egix and choxorn and then see where game stands in this kind of situation

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This is pretty much where I'm at right now, but we get the added bonus of 45 more hours to fully iron things out. :wizard: