i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.
no thanks. i don't want anyone to 'try hard', i've just been starving for content but i think we're rolling now and half of this was just a me problem anyway.
nothing changed besides my work schedule for monday and tuesday. had several things cancel (thankfully) and had more time to dedicate to this than i expected.
uh. not common? and i don't really understand why you would ask :wowee:
where does taffy fall for you? I just re-read their intro and decided to get up and go to my PC and figure out if i really want to stick with my initial read there and after reviewing it with the perspectives of ladd and visor i kinda don't hate it as a landing spot.
re: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.
our active concern list is close. i don't think visor is in there for me but c'est la vie. annika is probably the person i'm most concerned with in that list overall.
Ok, againto be fair I found the response. I missed it the first time.
05-18-2025, 21:51
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
i'ma be real my brain is like actually cooked until i get some legit sleep i would believe you if you told me i was gonna sleep like 14 hours tonight
me and you both sis i literally cannot rn
i hope you randed villa too i can't imagine going into another wolf rand straight out of that game lol
idk how to village anymore dude i wolfed for a month straight in the warrior cats game (i won) and randed wolf in two different mashes in that time im sitting here reading posts like wtf am i supposed to say yall sound like frickin robots what are we doing here
last game i randed v was pokemash and that game almost threw me into retirement ??
maybe if i stare at this long enough i can pretend it's meaningful in any direction :dizzy2:
05-18-2025, 21:56
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
But like… why?
Even if I was a wolf I don’t think I would have picked up on that and just assumed ur pushing me for the sake of pushing me, like I can’t imagine myself as a wolf thinking someone would start with a n0 red on me, what were you trying to achieve by softing that I don’t get it bronana
girl idfk i thought you tmid annika town and i caught you and decided to bait pr alongside the push. i wasn't thinking or caring about your perception
05-18-2025, 22:00
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
seems like clearly an implied before this one
guh
i don't like the lissa posting in response to annika's sus of manti
but like
joat + disloyal inventor + bomb diffuser?????
really???
but also why the sweet fuck give out a jk before a cop grrrrr
idk im confused again
05-18-2025, 22:10
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
vote: maple
i just realized i have absolutely 0 idea wtf my post count is and probs needs to leash thoughts together v sorry
also pzelda is still obvitown, and he's giga unpaired from lissa and was like the only person besides sunbae pushing her much d1
so far through d1:
1. sunbae GOAT
2. lissa has a lot of weird shade towards waza, he's probably just town (also 132)
nothing unpairing for visor, ben, taffy, maple
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
i think lissa has really improved her d1 play, especially recently. she hasnt been accused of lacking the last couple games even! we've talked about her meta a decent bit in both dvcs and wcs and i think the idea of 'she gets wolfread early because she is very commonly out of phase' makes a lot of sense to me. i think it is therefore very reasonable for like zelda and *whoever the other person was* to w read her opening, but honestly i dont think she's done anything particularly ai so far. feel free to yolo a v on her for the whole "i beleive you that you havent randed wolf again" tho, i dont believe that you beleive that but that's okay ?
leaving this as placeholder, i gotta go grocery shopping
05-18-2025, 22:49
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
I read some more and I gotta admit there are quite a few benneh/lissa interactions. Nothing to unpair them so far. I'm heading to bed now but I think that the poe is always taffy/maple/benneh.
Now, Taffy isn't the towniest player around. I don't think they are trying to solve the game. They pretty much stopped trying after the full claim. They are not asking for suggestions on how to use their power. Their dousing claims are questionable. They probably aren't a wolf. They might be a 3p. The question is if it's important for town to kill a potential 3p.
Maple is town in my humble opinion. I'm slightly surprised manti didn't find lissa earlier, but I also think it's quite possible lissa focused at pocketing them after wolfing together. Or that she changed her style just enough to not fit the same meta. Also, let's admit it, there are some really good posts from lissa. She was poking other players and evaluating them, esp. Stett on d1.
That leaves me with Benneh as the most likely regular wolf. If I very briefly review his activity, he was super active on d1 but starting with d2 he focused on mechanics a lot and his activity fell off. Also, he reminded us few times that ladd had him as town. So, I want to read more, but Benneh might fit the bill after all. I think he would at least try to save lissa on d4, so I should read more of that day too in order to find out if there were any attempts at driving our votes away (maybe there were? I recall visor asking him for his opinion later in the day. He reassured him that he finds lissa to be a likely wolf at 85% certainty, but I think there was a reason for Visor to ask that question).
05-18-2025, 23:14
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Ur right I dont like that he’s in my poe
That’s why I referenced the irony in it because I said the exact same thing ladd said on d1 too
I’ll find the quote later
But then where am I wrong? You have had visor as top town all game too so I assume u don’t disagree with me clearing there. Stett was questionable but I went back to d1 and part of d2 and like I said there are moments there which would be hard to fake and idk if she’s there yet as a wolf (I’m sure she will be one day). Sunbae also had Stett as top town. So if I take Zelda as town like you say then all I’m left with is you Ben
idrc if you sus me, just leave Zelda alone. I’m calling him lock town and untouchable
re: visor- no. He’s my second most viable wolf now
05-18-2025, 23:18
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
@nebjiamn what made you vote waza in response to this?
bbg that is like 16 irl days ago I don’t remember
thankfully I answered this exact question, possibly for you, yesterday (in-game yesterday), so please look up my response there
idrc if you sus me, just leave Zelda alone. I’m calling him lock town and untouchable
re: visor- no. He’s my second most viable wolf now
U want me to lock it in and sheep for the entire game? Ccos like Idm I found him towny enough and didn’t particularly like that I was ending up there so yeah if u feel confident I’ll take it lol
Though where did the confidence come from? Iirc you were wary of them d1 and relying on others somewhat
05-19-2025, 00:03
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
bro benneh isnt a wolf like lmao idk nl talk me out of this one please
putting waza into the "lock clear never rescind" tier based on [everything] dont think that read is ever wrong here and if it is then like my performance this game is so IMPRESSIVELY bad that at least it will look like i was deliberately trolling
taff still aint a villager like jfc i cant
fuck this setup dude im not sure what we're supposed to derive here and im sorta beyond caring atp
05-19-2025, 00:03
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Vote: Maple
I iso'd her today and I've decided that the risk of us both being town is negligible.
She's pushed Annika D1/D2
She pushed Ladd
She swapped to an opportunistic Benneh push after Visor expressed his sus there
She voted Ender literally saying it was bc he was the only viable way to save Lissa
She argued hard that Lissa was town the next day
She's just mindlessly pushing me all this time without ever reevaluing and I am certain wolves want me eliminated rather than risking a NK
I have peace with this.
Taffy (5)
05-19-2025, 00:04
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
why is taff assuming it is a world of 4 wherein all 4 wolves are pack?
lol
05-19-2025, 00:07
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Vote: Maple
I iso'd her today and I've decided that the risk of us both being town is negligible.
She's pushed Annika D1/D2
She pushed Ladd
She swapped to an opportunistic Benneh push after Visor expressed his sus there
She voted Ender literally saying it was bc he was the only viable way to save Lissa
She argued hard that Lissa was town the next day
She's just mindlessly pushing me all this time without ever reevaluing and I am certain wolves want me eliminated rather than risking a NK
I have peace with this.
Taffy (5)
REEVALUATE WHAT LMAO
you havent even claimed yet!!!!!!
im reading your psots and theyre actual nonsense omg like wtf were any of oyur posts yesterday tehy were some philosophical bullshit about PR hunting or something and you SOMEHOW beleive that we're in a all pack world of 4 like ?????? okay so we haev 2 shitass BGs and a shitass arso that gets blocked by wolves having THREE counter roles to it and no other PRs AND wovles have 4 memebrs like lol no shot you beleive that
vote: taff
05-19-2025, 00:10
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
The reason I iso'd Maple is this post from Stett which pinged me yesterday:
At no point in Maple's entire iso does she mention that the cop check is her last ability to hand out until after this post from Stett when she acknowledges there were only three.
So I need to reread Stett to remind myself why I unpaired them bc it sure wasn't anything Maple did
But I realised when I got round to Stett's post that maybe she meant "last" as in "after the other two we already know about"
every fucking game i swear people sus me then i live to endgame and they suprise pikachu face that im still alive way to fucking late bruh yall should have let me died like half a month ago learn how to leash KP noobs
also it was a VANILLA COP which is a STRICTLY WORSE ABILITY THAN JAILKEEP my god
05-19-2025, 00:12
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
The reason I iso'd Maple is this post from Stett which pinged me yesterday:
At no point in Maple's entire iso does she mention that the cop check is her last ability to hand out until after this post from Stett when she acknowledges there were only three.
So I need to reread Stett to remind myself why I unpaired them bc it sure wasn't anything Maple did
But I realised when I got round to Stett's post that maybe she meant "last" as in "after the other two we already know about"
Anyway Stett iso tomorrow
Taffy (6)
literally didnt ISO me LMAO
vote: taff
05-19-2025, 00:12
Maple
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
im way too tilted for reasons sorry ill be back later
05-19-2025, 00:16
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
REEVALUATE WHAT LMAO
you havent even claimed yet!!!!!!
im reading your psots and theyre actual nonsense omg like wtf were any of oyur posts yesterday tehy were some philosophical bullshit about PR hunting or something and you SOMEHOW beleive that we're in a all pack world of 4 like ?????? okay so we haev 2 shitass BGs and a shitass arso that gets blocked by wolves having THREE counter roles to it and no other PRs AND wovles have 4 memebrs like lol no shot you beleive that
vote: taff
Re-evaluating based on flips
There's no way I am a wolf, not even a lost wolf, after EoD3 where I literally call Lissa out for wolfing through EoD and easily could've voted Ender (who I explicitly rescinded a townread on earlier) or you (who I'd been voting before I sheeped Visor on Lissa)
There is no way a 3p whose wincon surely depends on their bombs starts pushing to kill Arctic after Benneh thought he cought him in a lie rather than arguing that he was already bombed anyway like I'd done at SoD2. That can only come from a town who genuinely believes Arctic was a wolf trying to get another night action (like I said) or from a wolf who saw their chance to push a PR out.
I am town. And I watched Seven Psychopaths today, it has a cute meme for if you ask me about my targets again.
Taffy (7)
05-19-2025, 00:20
Totally not Taffy
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Also I keep forgetting this but @didistetter the best way to "iso" is to set your posts per page to the maximum (which is 80 bc the creator of this site is a math afficionado who hates base 10) and then you ctrl+F for ppl's join date so it jumps from post to post from that person and skips the ones where ppl are just talking about them
Taffy (8) and now I'm going to bed
05-19-2025, 00:23
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Re-evaluating based on flips
There's no way I am a wolf, not even a lost wolf, after EoD3 where I literally call Lissa out for wolfing through EoD and easily could've voted Ender (who I explicitly rescinded a townread on earlier) or you (who I'd been voting before I sheeped Visor on Lissa)
There is no way a 3p whose wincon surely depends on their bombs starts pushing to kill Arctic after Benneh thought he cought him in a lie rather than arguing that he was already bombed anyway like I'd done at SoD2. That can only come from a town who genuinely believes Arctic was a wolf trying to get another night action (like I said) or from a wolf who saw their chance to push a PR out.
I am town. And I watched Seven Psychopaths today, it has a cute meme for if you ask me about my targets again.
can you just double check through ben and visor's d1s pls i wanna know your thoughts
05-19-2025, 00:30
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
heres the thing
i actually kinda buy that both of them are real, in part because of how indignant both have been (i guess theres a world where stett is faking that a rb exists but w/e)
so if we take that at face value
we got pzelda who is just doin his thing again
and we generally take stett as v
we got waza and benneh
and then you take lissas horrendous eod3 and you play level 0 and you say waza v
well there aint much left for it besides benneh now is there?
05-19-2025, 00:31
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Also I keep forgetting this but @didistetter the best way to "iso" is to set your posts per page to the maximum (which is 80 bc the creator of this site is a math afficionado who hates base 10) and then you ctrl+F for ppl's join date so it jumps from post to post from that person and skips the ones where ppl are just talking about them
Taffy (8) and now I'm going to bed
this is horrifying.
Ty o7
05-19-2025, 00:56
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
U want me to lock it in and sheep for the entire game? Ccos like Idm I found him towny enough and didn’t particularly like that I was ending up there so yeah if u feel confident I’ll take it lol
Though where did the confidence come from? Iirc you were wary of them d1 and relying on others somewhat
yea, worst case blame the game on me (I’ll blame Ladd in turn)
but I reread his day 1 and i just don’t think the dynamic for him to be fooling everyone with meta coupled with him softly sussing out lissa while she is being “threadspewed v” as a bus is likely. Least likely world to me by a long shot and I don’t think we should override ladds legacy on him considering he said he was genuinely the clearest player to him besides me (I figure if I am likely to use this argument to protect myself later I should also respect the corresponding read Ladd has)
05-19-2025, 00:58
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
?vote: maple
05-19-2025, 01:00
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
visor you should out your track at some point (some point being your next post)
I don’t really care even if it’s on a dead person atp. I’d like to hear some accountability abt the choice and how you came to it
05-19-2025, 01:02
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
visor you should out your track at some point (some point being your next post)
I don’t really care even if it’s on a dead person atp. I’d like to hear some accountability abt the choice and how you came to it
This is even more important now because your track if on a living player is very likely as good as a check considering dya died in fear of the cop putting a wolf (it was pretty obviously a vanilla/role cop of some sort to
me)
05-19-2025, 01:57
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
I tracked stett nowhere
Wasn't gonna do it initially but switched with about 5 mins to go
Just hated how they treated arctic d2 and it kept sticking in my craw
Not my finest moment, lol
05-19-2025, 02:04
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I tracked stett nowhere
Wasn't gonna do it initially but switched with about 5 mins to go
Just hated how they treated arctic d2 and it kept sticking in my craw
Not my finest moment, lol
that's decently helpful tinfoil wise
05-19-2025, 02:32
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
idk brosephs i just think its maple, poor reasons for mech clearance be damned.
lissa's got a bunch of posts softly (and later, hard-ly) defending maple early/middle/late. the dynamics of EOD1 don't really make sense for there to be 2 wolves on the rask wagon. it seems far more likely that lissa saw visor and then maybe me join the wagon and at that point she had no choice but to bus to garner some level of credit. it doesn't make a ton of sense to me that this pressure happens if there are 2 wolves working in concert together at eod. i know I would absolutely refuse to bus rask there. i think visor probably would too, but i don't know that for sure and part of me has wondered if he's just been projecting his own actions up against me since his lissa/me sus started
lissa/maple makes sense to me in a dynamic wherein they were sowing chaos and had several town wagons up for grabs. maple was doing their best to push annika/not really acknowledge the relevant wagons at eod and lissa was doing her best to ensure arctic died. i don't think there's a ton of ways for that team to forsee a rask wagon popping up and since maple wasn't as active as lissa was I can see lissa just yoloing what her best thought for a win was
my last point re: wagon formation/lissa's hand being forced: if i'm wrong on maple i probably drop that read., i do sincerely think visor and maybe even waza have the most equity beyond that but i don't really have it in me to create a whole case when I think its maple a lot more often
i understand the taffy sus, especially from a posting POV, but i think there are GOOD reasons to sheep that she is mechanically clear from being a pack wolf and i don't think solving in the worst case scenarios of her being a lost wolf is good werewolf here in f7. if the wolves are eliminated and the game is still going we just kill taffy. if she somehow ignites everyone after we kill the wolf, c'est la vie IMO
stett should just be clear based off the eod1 vote + tone + general game solving. if I want to think she's a wolf, I have to think she's specifically a vanilla wolf who's managed to avoid being sussed out by several players all game long and she explicitly townsided every day but eod3. its not unreasonable but i just think she's town and the track would give me enough confidence to carry that thru to end game. if she's snowing, i'm glad for her
waza should be clear almost entirely off eod1. the communication through voting/unvoting while postcapped to protect arctic is a master class in anti-spew if he's a wolf IMO. he's capable of it, but that's not a reason to sus him. if i want to think he's a wolf, I have to think he's a wolf that spent all day 1 joking about rask being outed only to avoid bussing rask at the last minute. i also have to think that the back and forth with lissa EoD3 is theater. these are like, both reasonable things to sus for waza IMO, but i just think he's town tbh?
maple's done nothing but 3p hunt since day 3 and wolfed their ass off eod1, eod2, and did their best to ensure lissa didn't die eod3. currently doesn't have a winning game state and i just kinda think they're meowted? ladd died thinking it was lissa/maple. annika died thinking it was lissa maple. sunbae died with maple in poe. arcy had it between me/maple in addition to lissa.
dya died wanting to kill taffy but i think dya primarily died cause they had a cop.
i think the other thing to think about is that neither visor/stett dying (but dya did) -- if they are town, the wolves made the assumption they would not have to worry about those results. for stett this might matter less, because if the kill is blocked, there's no point targeting her with the kill anyway. if the kill goes through they can kill whoever they find optimal, but they definitely werent' concerned with visor outing a track and instead opted for annika who was basically confirmed vt.
idk, the kills point to maple. the posting points to maple. the game state points to maple. the mech may not point to maple, but the mech is easily manipulated when we don't have all the info.
fmpov today isn't hard. its only hard if we get to tomorrow imo
05-19-2025, 02:37
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
Yeah waza's posting around rask is weird unless he's... exactly in a neighborhood with rask lol you're not wrong
Honestly I have no idea what alignment maple is lol
Really feel like I should have some idea
My heart says town but like
I'm really easily pocketed by the kind of thing she's doing this game ngl
Annika feels like a villager
Arctic idk I'll get back to you I think a lot of his posts are after I've read to yet
Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?
this just feels over explainy about maple in a wolfy way, esp in comparison to the other reads
+ the way she talks about waza also makes me feel better about my waza read. she'd have tmi he's not in a hood with waza so i think her calling waza's psting weird is just kinda setting up potential sus on him later
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
disagree, i d k gth disagree???, disagree, kinda lightly disagree
mafia rule of 4 imo
05-19-2025, 02:46
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
lol I wish maple wasn’t a wagon
Not because I tr them hard but because to me the play today seemed to be we all unanimously pretend maple is lock clear (you can see from my early posts I was hinting at that) so that if they are town then wolves would just NK them tonight
So if maple didn’t get nkd then we could revisit
But errr I see people sussing there so now I doubt regardless of alignment maple gets nkd
Ben I haven’t read ur big wall or much over the last two pages I’ll have a look when I have more time
05-19-2025, 02:48
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture
** My own editing for formatting emphasis below **
rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v?
visor v,
stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v,
maple ????? gth v,
arctic idk kinda light v,
waza v,
taffy v,
ender ?,
annika v,
dya ?? no posts,
pzelda v ** End of my edits **
lol
think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here
another read list by lissa. she's not at all committed to a v read and seems entirely confused by why she's GtHing maple town but her next post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
well I have come to the realization that I don't actually have any wolf reads
and like
too many v reads for that to like
work
so uh
hm
thread feels really villagery imo
makes me think a wolf hasn't posted yet but that's obv kind of a jank read to make on a number of levels
ladd's thing re: taffy does make me rethink my village read there somewhat
arctic is a weird one
she striaght up TMIs a wolf hasn't posted yet and then espouses how she'd refactor her reads from there:
arctic is town that she is willign to reconsider for light v
taffy is very probable town (at least, she is almost CERTAINLY town from a wolf's POV) that she's happy to reconsider
but not at all maple, who would absolutely fit in with how she's parsing the game in her previous post? if maple's town, why would lissa act so hedgey this entire time only to never bother putting them close to a poe?
05-19-2025, 02:51
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture
rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v
lol
think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
lol I wish maple wasn’t a wagon
Not because I tr them hard but because to me the play today seemed to be we all unanimously pretend maple is lock clear (you can see from my early posts I was hinting at that) so that if they are town then wolves would just NK them tonight
So if maple didn’t get nkd then we could revisit
But errr I see people sussing there so now I doubt regardless of alignment maple gets nkd
Ben I haven’t read ur big wall or much over the last two pages I’ll have a look when I have more time
brother there's no world maple is nightkilled this game. if they're town they're an essential miskill for the woofs and maple has no way of clearing themself atp
if the game continues after today, one of stett/you/visor will die in all likelihood. probably the person who townreads me the most and/or townreads pzelda the least cause I think those are the next most viable miselims, especially if i incorrectly push maple out today
05-19-2025, 02:56
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I tracked stett nowhere
Wasn't gonna do it initially but switched with about 5 mins to go
Just hated how they treated arctic d2 and it kept sticking in my craw
Not my finest moment, lol
Huh which day and where did she go
You said u didn’t have anything important is that because u holstered at first or did u already have the track then
Sorry if u already answered this im reading stuff out of order on my phone here and there in between work
05-19-2025, 03:00
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
brother there's no world maple is nightkilled this game. if they're town they're an essential miskill for the woofs and maple has no way of clearing themself atp
if the game continues after today, one of stett/you/visor will die in all likelihood. probably the person who townreads me the most and/or townreads pzelda the least cause I think those are the next most viable miselims, especially if i incorrectly push maple out today
Yeah I mean now they probs never will be nkd regardless of alignment but I do think at sod if we all cleared maple and played along with it wolves would buy into it if maple is v and eventually NK them, I even planned to tinfoil visor towards eod just to decrease his NK equity and increase maples
But yeah that’s probs not happening anymore so ig I’ll have to solve maple the old fashioned way
But on that note do you really think wolves would have a joat tracker and then someone who invents tracks too? What’s the point?
05-19-2025, 03:05
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Okay Ben I read ur wall
I still think ur town which doesn’t help my poe worrying but ngl it hasn’t changed my desire to want to kill taffy today lmao
I’ll try explain why when I’m home because it’s quite wordy and moreso based on game theory stuff
05-19-2025, 03:06
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Okay Ben I read ur wall
I still think ur town which doesn’t help my poe sorting but ngl it hasn’t changed my desire to want to kill taffy today lmao
I’ll try explain why when I’m home because it’s quite wordy and moreso based on game theory stuff
Ebwop
05-19-2025, 03:06
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
lol I just realised visor said tracked Stett nowhere
For some reason I interpreted that as somewhere
05-19-2025, 03:15
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
i forgot but lissa having a x1 doc actually lends to the idea (to me at least) that maple's role is very much compatible with it being on the wolf team
this effectively gives wolves protection from arsonists in 2 fashion: 1. defusing a bomb and 2. protecting a player the night of ignition. but it also serves as a way to frame a villager? wolves could have used the doc the night stett had a jailkeep to frame a player, but this didn't happen since lissa was the likyl target of a jailkeep
but imagine if lissa wasn't a viable wagon d3 instead? they could just doc target their factional and it 'outs' who ever stett targeted that night
05-19-2025, 03:16
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
also after rereading rasks role again i just dont see any world taffy is a wolf, pack or lost, unless we're in an unknown bastard game which i dont really care about
05-19-2025, 03:23
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Huh which day and where did she go
You said u didn’t have anything important is that because u holstered at first or did u already have the track then
Sorry if u already answered this im reading stuff out of order on my phone here and there in between work
n2, nowhere
05-19-2025, 03:26
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
I don't think lissa is a wolf.
Maybe i'm bad.
Maybe i'm correct.
Maybe I have TMI.
@Lissa if you're town and survive the day we need you to be as present as you can
I am going to lobby for voted on ender here please, i think lissa is towny still
I think I''m starting to understand why Visor is seeing a Benneh/Lissa team
Vote: Lissa
Quote:
Originally Posted by ladd
I like really dont think we should kill waza here
If you dont trust me waza was villaread by both artic and annika and killing outiside their PoE today seems kinda silly to me
Maple still pushing for taffy is so wolfy. Lissa going from 0 to 100 on waza seems wolfy to me, the argument that waza wants them out before they become obvious town is just...made up iyam
Idk sorry if wrong but i am still at lissa/maple
still, what ladd said is convincing
i gotta reread tomorrow and see how lissa treated maple
but i think i am prob gonna kill in maple/benneh
05-19-2025, 03:33
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
on a pure level zero read, the fact that lissa didnt want to pivot to maple is just weird if maple is v, but i guess if maple is v and defending you you cant afford to switch to them
w/e i will research tmrw
05-19-2025, 03:43
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
LOL ngl taffy’s second string of posts seem towny
But I have troubles justifying not voting there from a principle standpoint, sorry this probably doesn’t feel good to read but I’ll explain my pov when I’m home
05-19-2025, 03:49
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
girl idfk i thought you tmid annika town and i caught you and decided to bait pr alongside the push. i wasn't thinking or caring about your perception
Oh yeah I did have tmi on her
But that’s not cos I’m a wolf, home girl plays with her rolecard face up the entire game so it’s hard not to tr her lol (yeah she’s a super good wolf these days but her and ladd usually I can snipe their alignment fairly early from vibes, Ben too for that matter but I have a smaller sample size there relative to the other two)
05-19-2025, 03:53
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
every fucking game i swear people sus me then i live to endgame and they suprise pikachu face that im still alive way to fucking late bruh yall should have let me died like half a month ago learn how to leash KP noobs
also it was a VANILLA COP which is a STRICTLY WORSE ABILITY THAN JAILKEEP my god
lol well that’s why I was trying to leash both of you earlier in the game but I was alone in that matter
05-19-2025, 03:54
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Re-evaluating based on flips
There's no way I am a wolf, not even a lost wolf, after EoD3 where I literally call Lissa out for wolfing through EoD and easily could've voted Ender (who I explicitly rescinded a townread on earlier) or you (who I'd been voting before I sheeped Visor on Lissa)
There is no way a 3p whose wincon surely depends on their bombs starts pushing to kill Arctic after Benneh thought he cought him in a lie rather than arguing that he was already bombed anyway like I'd done at SoD2. That can only come from a town who genuinely believes Arctic was a wolf trying to get another night action (like I said) or from a wolf who saw their chance to push a PR out.
I am town. And I watched Seven Psychopaths today, it has a cute meme for if you ask me about my targets again.
Good morning,
Just a little note about my schedule before catching up. I'm visiting my sister, but I should be on a bus back to Prague some three hours before deadline. Expect me to be active there. Also, I'm on my phone for the entirety of D2.
I fell asleep some ten minutes before we were allowed to change our votes... I know it's moot but I probably would have voted Annika there for only having Maple and Rask as options.
@pzelda can you please explain the last line, ur saying u woulda voted Annika at eod over maple or rask? If so, why?
05-19-2025, 05:32
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
i eated pizza life is good
idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it
eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of
visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei
top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)
i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.
visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Imagine thinking I'd read an org game LMAO
I haven't even read *this* game
I suppose it’s a little odd in the second quote manti implies they’re not reading this game but in the first post they seemingly cared enough to look through past games. I can think of why it could be the case in town!manti worlds but in a vacuum it still is unusual for someone to not be invested enough to read the game they’re in yet still care about to check pasts games with others
The caveat is the post is worded as a joke and could be hyperbole/exageration of playing up how little they were invested in this one
05-19-2025, 05:40
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
i eated pizza life is good
idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it
eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of
visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei
top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)
i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.
visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Imagine thinking I'd read an org game LMAO
I haven't even read *this* game
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
@ladd what do you make of the way lissa has posted wrt your slot, and her amenability to me suggesting a eod flashwagon on afk ladd for no reason other than someone claiming pr and dipping?
im kinda struggling with that dynamic, especially considering she +1d me telling arctic to not lim taffy, but seemed willing to flash an afk who frankly had no business being a d1 wagon
This was right after d2 started, would be wild to bus rask and then go straight to shading lissa when imo it would be very easy for her partner to just clear her like others did for voting rask
So yeah finding more reasons to lock in the stett read
05-19-2025, 05:53
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
i eated pizza life is good
idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it
eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of
visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei
top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)
i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.
visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
Imagine thinking I'd read an org game LMAO
I haven't even read *this* game
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
Arctic is on a roll tbh. They def have a different style more focused on finding wolves, but I can see them as a villa now (I tr them). That also makes me wanna pay more attention to Visor.
Annika, I'm not 100% about their eod looking so good. I think they kind of ended on Rask after running out of options. Their only other option was Maple and he was pushing back. Also, the Rask wagon got traction, Rask was afk and so on. I guess I'm missing a wee bit what Benneh liked about their eod. I might change my mind after rereading.
I actually kind of like Maple during the eod. I can't elaborate, because I didn't keep notes.
Ladd and Taffy are players to talk about rn IMHO.
I quite liked Taffy after sitting in the thread with them, but I also disliked that claim a little bit. I like the way they articulate their reads and I felt I could follow how they arrived at their conclusions. There are things to check again. Who was pushing them and why they claimed in the end.
Ladd is a weird one. I quite like his posts overall, but he's a little bit under the radar instead of trying to lead or at least inspire village. Yesterday I thought he could had ramded a pro and that he was holding back to avoid N1 kill. Today, I'm not so sure so far. Technically, there's not a whole lot wrong about his posts today, but they mostly reacted to other players instead of for example pushing on their own.
Ender is also someone to throw in the Poe.
Waza - I don't want to consider them just for moving their vote. I guess I can wait a little a watch what their game today looks like. So far waza defender their eod move. I want to see where they are at.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
Ender writing this kinda makes me thing he's just a villa.
Lmao Zelda is really making me work for it
On one hand they’ll make a pretty towny post which imo the first quote fits into then they follow it up with something I would find scummy
@pzelda can you explain what you liked about Enders post there? He is literally just explaining what benneh said to someone else, none of it is Enders own thoughts
05-19-2025, 05:55
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
Ender writing this kinda makes me thing he's just a villa.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Benneh is implying that Sunbae anticipated who was targetted and redirected onto himself. Therefore wolves were the ones that killed him but Sunbae was not the N1 therefore wolves weren't trying to silence sunbae
I’ll just quote the ender stuff so it’s easier for you to see
i've been so fucking ditzy today im so sorry
@nebjiamn spell it out for me please
how does a mafia team of: bomb remover, tracker/role cop/doctor joat, + disloyal jailkeep/vanilla cop/tracker inventor
make sense with: town bomb planter + town even/odd redirector bodyguards
i'm not trying to be obtuse it just feels like really strange design
05-19-2025, 10:06
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
maybe
to me, the way the she [meaning stett] approached the start of the game was very much like brute forcing an entrance
actually reminds me of how lissa entered in the anon game where initially i thought it was wolfy (and then i got railroaded and went way off base lol)
I feel like that's just kinda how stett enters games though?
(also funny/weird and extremely tangential but getting a bunch of free townreads at the start of the mash that I realized were basically because normally I come into the thread like several hours after sod and post like it's sod and I didn't there because I spent an hour posting at sod was kinda like... it really made me want to alter my approach to start of games lol. just in general I've been thinking about like how to start actually getting nightkilled as a villager too and just generally my approach to earlygame as well as some other aspects of villaging. and idk how to do it regularly cause the mash problem is I kinda NEED that sod-y posting to get into the flow of the game but getting early townreads like that was soooo nice??)
(also I think it was basically impossible for you to ever find me mid d1-d3 the way that game played out with you getting railroaded for bad reasons, it made it insanely easy for me to post good about it because it was all real thoughts lol)
visor seems villagery
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
this is a pure bad take (tm)
but annikas read on wazas flip was villagery uncritical
i think normally i'd tend to just say that its kind of a bad (maybe almost tmi spewing) village read from a wolf but i think i have come around to it being too unconcerned and blatant, which can be like a lazy wolf kind of read to make, but i don't really get those vibes from someone who bothers to post links to post numbers
i am not explaining this nearly as well as I wouldve liked, but i just think that while that kind of read is normally a lazy wolfread, i think given how they are playing it isn't
this read is kind of just like
it's presented in a more village visor sort of way imo
the specific way it meanders a bit and the layers of it
good look for visor imo.
the defense of me to him would just be very fucking strange posting from a wolf to a wolf
05-19-2025, 10:19
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
See the good news about not being confident at all in my reads rn:
if annika's a wolf she probs N1s dya
if ben's a wolf he probs N1s ladd
if ladd's a wolf he probs N1s benben
so no matter how it shakes out ol stetty gets to live to d2 and actually reeval a bit ~;p
for now
Vote: Totally not Taffy
if taffy is town annika is probs the n1k and there are 2 wolves in ben/ladd/lissa :3
mmmm
05-19-2025, 11:11
didistetter
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
I don't have meta but taffy definitely strikes me as someone who would go after a high influence thread leader as a wolf, just from what I know of her like personality.
I think that her entrance was villagery regardless though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far? [directed to benneh]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
ladd's thing re: taffy does make me rethink my village read there somewhat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.
hm fair enough ig
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
re: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.
yeah ultimately I think the type of confusing/weird stuff she has done isn't really a kind of weird that makes her a wolf or makes really much of ANY sense for her to actually do as a wolf
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
@Totally not Taffy can you talk to me about what your thought process was behind the benneh read?...
yeah it was def a weird interpretstion of bens posts in a lot of ways
at first i thought it was like weird in a ?villagery? way probably but others' comments re her meta etc. have altered my take on that
also curious for this to be answered
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arctic
the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays
now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good
i don't think its fair to conflate lissa's post wherein she explains a meta read to visor as calling visor's push "not good"
at least not in the sense that you are sorta doing the legwork to call it wolfy on lissa's behalf
this is another nitpicky thing but i think this matters tbh
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
visor is like SUPER spewed town by arctic imo
the specific way arctic pushed him, it's like. it's SUCH an ingenerous interpretation of visor'sposting to the point of being incorrect/extremely reductive
yeah uh some of lissa's d2 stuff wrt arctic is suuuuuuper sketch for visor
but also she knows arctic will flip town so im not sure how she'd set up spew here
its very strange, there are multiple posts calling visor lock off w!arctic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lissa
Quote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
Benneh's reply yesterday made me realise that bc I jumped to my mentions yesterday I had actually missed a bunch of posts so I will need to reread the day.
I"m not sticking around right now bc I have to go shopping but I've got nothing on this afternoon.
I still had this open from overnight reading and @nebjiamn I would never call someone aggressive unless in the sense of "the way you phrased that is aggressive please step away from thread"
I found it quite unpleasant that you and Lissa referred to my early scumleans as "aggression" bc that's really not my intention and it is a game about pointing at each other and calling them scum for mostly reasons they're not going to agree with.
Taffy (I lost count)
think you read something into that that wasn't there. wasn't intended in the way it sounds like you took it
collections of quotes with some thoughts thrown in
this has not been as helpful as i hoped.
there's some good stuff for visor and some weird stuff for visor
there's some good stuff for ben and some weird stuff for ben
there's some good stuff for maple and some weird stuff for maple
bro my only def read is taffy is like never paired b/c of how dismissive lissa is to taffy ;-;
ill tackle the trio's approaches to lissa after eep
05-19-2025, 12:48
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
idk lol
u/ladd were my designated tinfoils if taffy seemed town
u seemed towny enough last couple of pages and errrr im not worried about ladd cos i know people are just gonna hound his ass all game regardless of alignment
maple seems fine enough ig
ender is townreading me all game and i like it, doesnt neccessarily make him town though
so it really just boils down to if i think theres 2 wolves in that pool......and im like errrr maybe? but im not really convinced it has to be the case either, and plus i think most of those names should get got before me lmao, unless someone gets hell tunneled but thats on them not me if that happens
so yaaa this is a big lead up to a very disappointing finish where i just say im shrugging and trying to aim for the wolf i lose to now rather than later before its too late, not convinced it has to be lissa but im just testing the waters. mostly just boiled down to me looking back at eod votes, trying to think what wolves would be doing and what their wincons would be. lissas vote on rask seemed pretty random so yah i voted there and will see what happens or how i feel in the morning or after ive read the game some more
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
ig one of the things with ladd is that for me to believe hes a wolf i have to accept thats hes played against his own wincon during this game lmao
hes a smart gui, probs one of the smartest i met on fm so i somewhat expect him to be aware of how certain things would play out if hes a wolf
and if hes a wolf that means hes townsided unnecessarily to his own detriment at times (im going off vague memory so ill need to fact check)
like if ben is town which i think he is, then lads shielded me ben sunbae from getting heat when we were vulnerable. ok sure i somewhat forced him into townreading me so that doesnt count as much, and if ben is town hes the type of town that i imagine anyone with tmi would have a really hard time trying to justify a sr on
but with sunbae, there was a moment where sunbae was getting alota heat, and ladd spoke out against it and has been vocal against pushing the taffy wagon. the thing is though, if ladds a wolf hes well aware that hes on a timer, and that people have vocally expressed if taffy is town they'll push him. so its in ladds benefit to delay the taffy flip as long as he can,rrather then reinforce it. so for example when haru gets pushed, ladd is much better off just doing literally anything other than what he did lmao.
tbf one of the last times i tried to apply a wolf strategy read on someone it failed (twice) but i dont remember many other times its backfired. im not outright clearing ladd and will obv keep an open eye, its just i cant really figure out what his game plan would be as wolf, i can make a similar case for maple albeit i find it less convincing so i probs wont unless i feel stronger about it
Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
btw i mean the player twice shrunk when i said (twice)
(ignore the part where i vote arctic soon after, ngl arctic did really well to spew himself not pr i respect it, almost too well but thats more of our fault than his for not saving him)
05-19-2025, 13:03
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
aright im gonna have my taffy rant
ngl i went back to actually look at their claim again properly
and yeah i get it, i see it, i know it
its very unlikely for it to belong to a pack wolf unless its specifically written that way to messs with town, in which case like yeah u usually just accept that isnt the case most of the time
the problem is, despite the claim and despite taffy sounding towny from time to time, there is still a lot of question marks that really dont get answered. thhe first of which is how are we on d4?d5? and there still hasnt been an ignite @Totally not Taffy friendo with a role like this we really need you to have used it by now so we know it exists. on n2 you holster, n3 its on lissa (okay maybe i accept some blame on this because at first i asked you to douse lissa but i did change to maple but idk if you saw it), n4 idek what you did (so ig that means today is d5 lol)
and there still exists the fact that IF maple is town that both arctic and maple (possibly 2 town prs) had an issue with ur claim and dont believe it
so the fact of the matter is, i think at some point taffy will get voted. if its not today, it will probably be later, UNLESS we find the pack wolf. but if we are playing to the worst case scenario and its someone deep theres a very likely chance that we go to an f3 with taffy, the deep wolf and some villa
and im being totally honest, if im that villa i sure as heck am going to struggle to not to vote taffy.
and i am certain almost every other villa will feel the same
because its the easy out
and i say this with nothing but love, but taffys timezone isnt the greatest + they probs really busy irl so theyre stuck to posting 10 times a day or around that mark. and dont get me wrong, i appreciate your posts and theyre solid posts for the most part, but if ur stuck against a super motivated ben or the deepwolf in zelda/visor/stett (in order of likeliness to be wolf) then its gonna be super hard for the last villa to get there and its likely the wolf will just outspam taffy
so if we dont kill taffy today, it will be under one circumstance
i want every non-maple slot to confirm to me that you have read and accepted taffys claim and you accept there is no way in ur mind this can be a wolf role. and if we let taffy get through today then we dont ever default to shrugyeeting them later, because if we do it today im sure we can still win even if its a miss, but if we do it later im sure we just lose
i want to hear it from all of you, if you all think theres a zero chance taffy is a pack wolf ill take it, and if they live today im literally never voting them for the rest of the game, so if i end up in a f3 situation with any of you (hopefully im dead by then but IF i do) im literally just gonna quote this and park on you, so dont say i didnt warn you.
if taffy is 3p im fine with them taking the win, id be happy for my friend taffy if theyre a 3p and they managed to beat a stacked pl of town and wolves to solo win, as long as wolves dont win im happy lmao, i usually dont care about 3ps, so yeah to reiterate if you think theyre town or 3p 100% of the time i want to confirm from all your mouths
05-19-2025, 14:12
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
I would like taffy to full claim every detail and action
05-19-2025, 14:13
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
We do know for a fact that a bomb planting role exists from tasks role pm
So I am not so worried about that aspect
05-19-2025, 14:15
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
I don't really understand the arguments re arctic not acting like a pr
He's a pr, you expect him to announce it?
05-19-2025, 14:17
Visor
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visor
I would like taffy to full claim every detail and action
I don't care about your pr equity just claim everything please
05-19-2025, 14:32
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by waza
@pzelda can you please explain the last line, ur saying u woulda voted Annika at eod over maple or rask? If so, why?
Is this from d2 sod? I'm not sure tbh. I think I disliked Annika for having too many townreads at that point. They probably felt to me like that soul villa who couldn't justify scumreading active towns. D1 Maple was a wildcard and I dislike voting 0 posters.
05-19-2025, 14:36
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by waza
Lmao Zelda is really making me work for it
On one hand they’ll make a pretty towny post which imo the first quote fits into then they follow it up with something I would find scummy
@pzelda can you explain what you liked about Enders post there? He is literally just explaining what benneh said to someone else, none of it is Enders own thoughts
Maybe because it was too wolfy for Ender to be a wolf. Something along those lines. My d2 wasn't good. I think my d3 was better but for some reason I locked lissa town and spent most of it on a vanity search only to end up Ender, who I previously had as a possible town.
05-19-2025, 14:39
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by waza
I’ll just quote the ender stuff so it’s easier for you to see
Oh, yes It felt kind of naive from ender that he explained that. I think he would have avoided creating narratives like that as a wolf.
05-19-2025, 14:43
pzelda
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by didistetter
i've been so fucking ditzy today im so sorry
@nebjiamn spell it out for me please
how does a mafia team of: bomb remover, tracker/role cop/doctor joat, + disloyal jailkeep/vanilla cop/tracker inventor
make sense with: town bomb planter + town even/odd redirector bodyguards
i'm not trying to be obtuse it just feels like really strange design
I posted about that (finding it unlikely). Can you recall that Maple was talking about them not being able to target the same person as the kill? So, wolf having a pro town role could be a balancing act and it messes with players. I still find it to be maybe too out there for it to be real.
The only other option is Benneh, who is pushing for Maple and I have to admit it's a solid push.
ugh ben brother you do have some kinda rough posts regarding ladd/dya on d2 :(
05-19-2025, 15:42
waza
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by Maple
Eh Im just gonna send it
I'm an inventor and I gave nl a track last night. The whole *bombs* thing is a pretty funny coincidence.
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Originally Posted by Maple
You know it bud ~:cheers:
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Originally Posted by Maple
Admittedly giving the item to visor IS wolfing because I knew he'd defend me without outing the info and I figured I needed someone to mason with me to live deeper into the game.
Just don't have the juice to go the hard way here, and since we're basically massclaiming already i figure this info is pretty important.
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Originally Posted by Maple
If I cross with the kill I die lol
idk how to describe it but something about maples claim seems kinda believable to me, the only unbelievable part is the fact they claimed at that moment with no pressure at all, and id expect a mech wiz like maple to know they didnt need to claim there and its -ev esp given they literally told wolves how to kill them??
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Originally Posted by nebjiamn
if i entertain the idea of all PRs being town (which is not at all a given imo lol) things shake up something like this aorn for me, tiers unordered within:
nebjiamn
Arctic
Maple
Taffy
didistetter
annika
pzelda
waza
ladd
Visor
Lissa
Ender
dyachei
im gonna fuck off and conserve my last 11 posts or whatever. i think rn i'm leaning toward an elim in ladd/dya/ender/maple but i don't really know how i want to prioritize all these claims yet so mmmv
gth if all claims are true (unlikely) pzelda really needs to be given a true look-see
bro you managed to mention every person in your poe in this post except for lissa lmao
05-19-2025, 15:46
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by didistetter
i've been so fucking ditzy today im so sorry
@nebjiamn spell it out for me please
how does a mafia team of: bomb remover, tracker/role cop/doctor joat, + disloyal jailkeep/vanilla cop/tracker inventor
make sense with: town bomb planter + town even/odd redirector bodyguards
-as a way to force balance without giving town an extra PR
-in a world manti is also some sorta arso
-allows wolves to wifom actions (see: doctor)
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i'm not trying to be obtuse it just feels like really strange design
i mean, ya, but lots of the confirmed design has been strange already. idk. judge it off posts and who do you think it is?
05-19-2025, 15:47
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by waza
idk how to describe it but something about maples claim seems kinda believable to me, the only unbelievable part is the fact they claimed at that moment with no pressure at all, and id expect a mech wiz like maple to know they didnt need to claim there and its -ev esp given they literally told wolves how to kill them??
bro you managed to mention every person in your poe in this post except for lissa lmao
think ur blind bruv
05-19-2025, 15:48
nebjiamn
Re: Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia
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Originally Posted by waza
aright im gonna have my taffy rant
ngl i went back to actually look at their claim again properly
and yeah i get it, i see it, i know it
its very unlikely for it to belong to a pack wolf unless its specifically written that way to messs with town, in which case like yeah u usually just accept that isnt the case most of the time
the problem is, despite the claim and despite taffy sounding towny from time to time, there is still a lot of question marks that really dont get answered. thhe first of which is how are we on d4?d5? and there still hasnt been an ignite @Totally not Taffy friendo with a role like this we really need you to have used it by now so we know it exists. on n2 you holster, n3 its on lissa (okay maybe i accept some blame on this because at first i asked you to douse lissa but i did change to maple but idk if you saw it), n4 idek what you did (so ig that means today is d5 lol)
and there still exists the fact that IF maple is town that both arctic and maple (possibly 2 town prs) had an issue with ur claim and dont believe it
so the fact of the matter is, i think at some point taffy will get voted. if its not today, it will probably be later, UNLESS we find the pack wolf. but if we are playing to the worst case scenario and its someone deep theres a very likely chance that we go to an f3 with taffy, the deep wolf and some villa
and im being totally honest, if im that villa i sure as heck am going to struggle to not to vote taffy.
and i am certain almost every other villa will feel the same
because its the easy out
and i say this with nothing but love, but taffys timezone isnt the greatest + they probs really busy irl so theyre stuck to posting 10 times a day or around that mark. and dont get me wrong, i appreciate your posts and theyre solid posts for the most part, but if ur stuck against a super motivated ben or the deepwolf in zelda/visor/stett (in order of likeliness to be wolf) then its gonna be super hard for the last villa to get there and its likely the wolf will just outspam taffy
so if we dont kill taffy today, it will be under one circumstance
i want every non-maple slot to confirm to me that you have read and accepted taffys claim and you accept there is no way in ur mind this can be a wolf role. and if we let taffy get through today then we dont ever default to shrugyeeting them later, because if we do it today im sure we can still win even if its a miss, but if we do it later im sure we just lose
i want to hear it from all of you, if you all think theres a zero chance taffy is a pack wolf ill take it, and if they live today im literally never voting them for the rest of the game, so if i end up in a f3 situation with any of you (hopefully im dead by then but IF i do) im literally just gonna quote this and park on you, so dont say i didnt warn you.
if taffy is 3p im fine with them taking the win, id be happy for my friend taffy if theyre a 3p and they managed to beat a stacked pl of town and wolves to solo win, as long as wolves dont win im happy lmao, i usually dont care about 3ps, so yeah to reiterate if you think theyre town or 3p 100% of the time i want to confirm from all your mouths
i don't think there's any reasonable chance taffy's a pack wolf
i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.