Illyrioi Hippeis
They are very cheap and because of their axes they can siginifcantly damage well armored cavalry.
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Illyrioi Hippeis
They are very cheap and because of their axes they can siginifcantly damage well armored cavalry.
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...ioihippeis.gif
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These guys are a major dissapointment. A life time of training and when facing a group of Akondistai at the town center, they win..but ONE dies?? really? "The world's greatest soldiers" lose one to a bunch of peasants during melee?:shame::wall::no:
There are so many peasants! You're attacking! It's a town battle!
They were the only units left and i decided that since my spartans weren't as tired, why not send them. They actually lost a guy :no:
You have unreasonably high expectations. Taking one casualty fighting a horde of Akontistai sounds like an achievement to me. Compare it to Thermopylae, where they had even more armour and still took casualties to the lightly armed Persians.
I wouldn't say a unit of akondistai (and like 3 hoplitai hoplois) is a horde :inquisitive: Plus, they're poor men using knives. Same with some of the Macedonian bodyguards. I tell them to charge a unit of hoplitai hoploi and they lose two units in the charge
I was like
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Well, the following is a depiction of a french cuirassier, and a "poor man using a knife".
http://latejedora.net/dmac/malasana_y_su_hija.jpg
Guess who's getting owned there. :grin:
So you're disappointed that you took one casualty while fighting more than 3 times as many men as you? I don't quite follow. People die in wars, all the time. A Spartan can get killed by Haploi as a knight by men-at-arms, or a marine by insurgents. Do you expect immortality as a pre-requisite for your army?
I think too many guys have watched 300 and have taken it serious. -.-
"Professional" and "elite" are not the synonymes of "immortal".
The "poor man using a knife" is avenging his daughter lying on the ground.
People defending their clan and their homes should be taken quite seriously, even if they are as lightly armed as an arkontistai.
Well the daughter looks hot anyway. Pity she's dead.
First off, 300 was an awesome movie :laugh4:
The French Curassier (or however it's spelled) probably didn't have the same training as the Spartans or use the same formation. I mean, these Spartans trained since childhood and fought in such a formation, with those giant shields.. How can one have died from tired peasants using a small knife when he is wielding a 8 foot spear, a giant aspis, and have his friends by his side.
Oh well, it's just a game :juggle2:
The 8 foot spear is a dead weight in close combat, the armour only covers the torso while exposing the limbs (exactly like the Cuirassier), plus the Cuirassier is a very well trained man. By that analogy we can also see that Knights, who were much better armoured than Spartans, also died knifed in close combat - the peasant here is in fact going for the gap in the defense, a clever and much practiced maneuver against even heavily armoured and skilled fighters. Not entirely impossible, also considering the circumstances that led the man to be immobilized first, which are not available to us but from our experience in combat seem very plausible. Elite fighters also have their weaknesses.
From a technical aspect and in regard to story-telling, yes. Otherwise it was crap.
You have a point with the Spartan staying in formation. Still, your Spartan was fighting in a city, which not only confuses the RTW engine, but provides circumstances and conditions different from fighting in the open - which is what spearmen excel at - whereas in a city, chances are that a professional warrior can be killed with un-professional means quite easily sometimes. See what happened to Pyrrhos.
Don't think of 300 has a movie trying to be historical...because movies like that (for example: Alexander) are boring as hell. Instead, think of it as how a greek would retell the story, full of action and bravery. Afterall, the movie is supposed to the survivor inspiring the troops, not boring the shit out of them.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...hermopylae.jpg
Except the Spartans would have been naked :dizzy2:
I still think it's disappointing for a "Fresh" unit of Spartans to even lose one to a "Winded" Unit of Akontisdai.
If you are referring to RL, those peasants wouldn't be just guys with knives, they would use everything to defend themselves, rock throwing included.
I firstly believed that your expectations about Spartans and Makedonian bodyguards are just joke.
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... the other day i took 3 FM's out of Baktra to deal with an annoying 3 unit stack of bandit archer spearmen- (they also had a Daha general but i managed to kill him with my super-assassin!!! ) so i charge with my valiant somatophylakes-a thick block of 3 X 13 mounted bodyguards galloping with their spears lowered and all and WHAM!!! two seconds after impact the youngest of the FM dies...
in my oppinion some elite casualties even against lowly troops add depth,complexity and realism to the game...
carrying around an indestructable "Rambo" force can get a bit... dull shall we say ??? a few deaths here and there spice things up and keep you on the edge of your seat :yes:
even if Spartans are supposed to outlast that situation without a scratch(which is not a fact always count in causalties) one casualty can realy be regarded as bad luck. loosing one unit to a bunch of guys with knives is not someting that shout for "overrated!!!!!". statistics statistics statistics the pure possibility of all your spartans dieing to a single arkontistai, the chance is very slim tho^^
on 300: lets not overstress this there were more than 300 discussions about this topic, just see it as a spartan themed action movie with a lot of blood and gore.It's not like it's based on the real event It's based on a comic book.
Is he trolling? I think he must be trolling at least a bit. No matter, I'm sure someone can come up with a legitimate complaint about Spartans.
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Like the fact that they are more expensive and more limited in recruitment than Epilektoi. Arguably, they are a bit of a waste in a post-Koinon army, as history has proven it to be unwise to have your best soldiers be from a rowdy, hard-to-please clique.
Trolling? :inquisitive:
So complaining that your highly-trained, expensively-equipped elite soldier is beaten by a guy with a butterknife is trolling?
Personally, when fighting brigands with a family member, I always imagine that my boys would be embarrassed about the one hetairoi that manages to get pulled out of the saddle when fighting spendonetai. That's not the way a member of the Royal Guard is supposed to die.
Still, doesn't make the unit underwhelming: it happens to all elite units.
Not only the spartans are crap, it concerns almost every elite unit which fights in hoplite style. Indo Nobel Hoplites, Hypaspisty, etc.
And this isn't only in this mod. Played mods like RTR and there was also the same problem - without their phalanx ability from Rome Vanilla hoplites are crap - excepted you put them in guard mod which isn't a problem in sp ...
Illyrioi Thureophoroi (Illyrian spearmen)
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As fan of epeiros i tested this unit too. This lightly armored Thureophoroi are able to defeat many heavily armored infantery like classical hoplites. They are quite decent and im surprised because their armor is with 5 really crappy.
yeah , i have used them to hold off hordes of celts and roman.