New factions?

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Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

I know the Far East, especially the Zhou, are a pretty far-fetched idea for EB II, but why couldn't the Mauryan Empire make it into EB II? Most of it is already represented in the EB map, just as Eleutheroi. Yes, I did read about Asia ton Barbaron, but it is still very hard to figure out if the mod is going to be successful or not. So many RTW mods were made or initiated and yet so few came out alive in the end.

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theyre not saying that Maurya can't be in, but it has to be a small satrapy, not the whole shebang

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Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

what made Pergamon so different from the thousands of other Greek city-state colonies that it made it to EB II while others did not. Are there not enough Hellenic factions in Eb already? Why not at least having something more unique, such as Massalia or Chersonesos? How was Pergamon more important than Syracuse? In my opinion, they were about equal, although Pergamon is represented in EB II and Syracuse, well I am not sure about that. What kind of unique units will Pergamon have? Pergamon Hoplites, that have the same skin (with the exception of different coloured and patterned shield)as Greek Classical Hoplites, with the exception of a different name and 1 more attack or 2 more defence skill than the regular Classical Hoplite; Akontistai with a different hat and a different skin tan:laugh4:?

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I couldn't agree with you more :yes:

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Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

Why couldn't there can't we have the Kushites anyway?

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we cant have Kush because there is a culture limit, which means that if they were in the game, all of their Generals and agents would be either white or semetic, not black, and so would their buildings (imagine ROman-style buildings for Kush) so unless they can bypass those hardcoded limits then Kush will just be aa rebel province

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Originally Posted by satalexton

i think thats' cuz that ball-less chap nicked a helluva silver and used it to become a major asia power...dun quote me on that tho...

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Sorry, but what exactly are you talking about? I'm having a hard time interpreting what you have just said.

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Originally Posted by Majd il-Romani

we cant have Kush because there is a culture limit, which means that if they were in the game, all of their Generals and agents would be either white or semetic, not black, and so would their buildings (imagine ROman-style buildings for Kush) so unless they can bypass those hardcoded limits then Kush will just be aa rebel province

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I was just typing my previous post when you posted the new reply on this thread~:)

Yeah, I was thinking of the culture limit too, but if the if the Kushites were of wrong culture, it wouldn't be as bad as having M2TW buildings in the EB II Battle Map cities as Foot said is possible in this thread:https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=106479. Are the cultures so hard-coded that the EB team cannot create a new culture? Isn't it possible to ask CA how to do that (please excuse me for my modding ignorance - I haven't modded that deep before)?

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Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

why couldn't the Mauryan Empire make it into EB II? Most of it is already represented in the EB map, just as Eleutheroi.

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Huh? Most of the Mauryan Empire is already represented in EB? Ok...

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Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

Yes I have read Pergamon's history, General Appo. But why not have Kyrene, Halikarnassos, Zankynthos, Emporiai, Massalia, Olbia, Agathe, Alalia, Kroton, Kydonia, Byzantion, Heraklea, Odessos, Phasis, Pantikapaion, Pitoys, Kerasos, Mallos, Side, Antipolis, or Tanais? I am not criticizing the EB team for choosing Pergamon, I am simply arguing with the people who think Pergamon was so important and unique.

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Again, I think your history is lacking. If you had read up about Pergamon, you would know that they had controlled a large portion of Asia Minor.

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Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

Are the cultures so hard-coded that the EB team cannot create a new culture?

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There is a limit on the amount of cultures, so to create another one, another has to be lost.

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Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

Are the cultures so hard-coded that the EB team cannot create a new culture? Isn't it possible to ask CA how to do that (please excuse me for my modding ignorance - I haven't modded that deep before)?

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There is a hardcoded culture limit (so in RTW the cultures would be steppe, barbarian, Eastern, Egyptian, and Carthaginian) and in order to create a new culture you need to create a new .exe (iirc, don't quote me on that) which would be illegal

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Originally Posted by Admetos

Huh? Most of the Mauryan Empire is already represented in EB? Ok...

Again, I think your history is lacking. If you had read up about Pergamon, you would know that they had controlled a large portion of Asia Minor.



There is a limit on the amount of cultures, so to create another one, another has to be lost.

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Q1:It is, or at least the western half of the Maruryan. Having a part of the Mauryan Empire is better than none at all. What did I say that was wrong?

Q2: This is from the EB II FAQ by MarcusAureliusAntonius:
"Q: Will the Koinon Hellenon be devided into a Spartan, Athenian, and Rhodian Faction?
A: The Koinon Hellenon will remain as a faction and will not be divided up. Individually, each city-state was not strong enough or expansionistic enough to warrant the usage of a faction slot during this time period. Based on the EB system of deciding factions, if the Koinon were divided, it would be best represented by strong rebels. Therefore, the Koinon Hellenon will remain as a united league."
I would say the exact same thing about Pergamon.

Q3: You're right about that. However, doesn't eve the CA know how to change/crack that hardcoding, if such thing is possible?

P.S. How's Asia Ton Barbaron coming along? I'm really looking forward to it.

Mauryan Empire (the green one in India):
https://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4021/0182iq3.jpg

Having about 2/3rds (and the important 2/3rds like with all the major cities and stuff) off the map instantly makes such a faction impossible to do. Without including India on the map the Mauryans are just not a major player.

As for Pergamon. They had an important part to play in Asia Minor, were a powerful city-state with some expansion within our timeframe. Compared to Athens, Sparta and Rhodes, who did bugger all outside of their Koinons, Pergamon is a far more viable candidate.

Of course CA knows how change the max number of hardcodes, they coded it. Its not the matrix, there isn't any magic to it, seven isn't some mystery number that just popped up, they plugged that in because thats all they needed. We did ask them to increase the culture limit, but CA, for whatever reason, did not do so in there latest patches. My guess is that either the time taken to re-code that area would have taken too long to do with very little return (they aren't going to make many more sells from such a specific change that doesn't alter anything their end), or that recoding it introduced new bugs or hogged up the system's resources too much.

Of course, with faction limits we have to make choices. At this point most of the major players are already in. One of the main considerations we have is that we have people on the team willing to work on the area and that there is actually information on a specific political entity that we can use to create a faction. Why is so much of eastern europe empty? Because so much of eastern europe is devoid of evidence of what the hell went on there during our timeframe.

I hope this has helped some people understand what is going on.

Foot

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Originally Posted by Foot

I hope this has helped some people understand what is going on.
Foot

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Thanks Foot, it sure did.:yes:

Thanks for the support Aemilius, it's coming along nicely.

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Originally Posted by Admetos

Thanks for the support Aemilius, it's coming along nicely.

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Well, if the picture Foot just posted is from AtB, I'd say: Whoopie! Keep up the good work and make us more EB goodness to play! :cheerleader:

Yep, that's our AtB map!

Factions hope they include in eb 2

Thracian tribes like Ordysai and Tribali becouse getai is too much dacian, so we need some real thracians.
Iberian tribes. Maybe one or two new ones to fight agains Lusotannan.
Pergamon in asia minor, but they should be very weak in the beginning.
One more tribe in germania.

If you read some of the stickies you would find that Pergamon have already been confirmed.

Foot

hey Foot are you guys still taking ideas or do you have a list of factions ready?

Well, they´ve decided on 9 out of 10 factions, right? And the last one may (may) be kept for scripting purposes.

We've chosen nine. But a lot of the people have just been guessing in this thread, but where people post extensive reasons for a faction ("I really like faction x" or "there is space in region y" are not reasons we'll listen to) we will take that on board. But at the moment we are holding at nine and are happy with our choices so only a major shakeup will find them changing.

Foot

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Originally Posted by Foot

We've chosen nine. But a lot of the people have just been guessing in this thread, but where people post extensive reasons for a faction ("I really like faction x" or "there is space in region y" are not reasons we'll listen to) we will take that on board. But at the moment we are holding at nine and are happy with our choices so only a major shakeup will find them changing.

Foot

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9? really? very nice:2thumbsup: Any idea what those are, or will it just be a waste of breath asking when you reply with something obvious like "they exist at 272 BC and be in the EB2 map"

Well I know. But we're not telling you now. They will be released much in the same way as Pergamon was, as a preview of the faction. Was that not obvious. Its how things are done around here. Generally, as modders, the only thing that allows us to sleep at night is playing on the nerves of the fans.

I can tell you that at least one of the unrevealed factions controls at least one of the current provinces on the EB map at the beginning of 272BC. Also the next faction we will reveal has a name beginning with a letter of the alphabet.

Foot

is it too big question? Are one of them Thacian? I really hope.

We will preview our chosen factions when we are ready to do so and not before.

Foot

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Originally Posted by Foot

I can tell you that at least one of the unrevealed factions controls at least on the of the current provinces on the EB map at the beginning of 272BC. Also the next faction we will reveal has a name beginning with a letter of the alphabet.

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~:eek: *faints*
No way!

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Originally Posted by Foot

I can tell you that at least one of the unrevealed factions controls at least one of the current provinces on the EB map at the beginning of 272BC. Also the next faction we will reveal has a name beginning with a letter of the alphabet.

Foot

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The successor of Moses is known. His name is Prophet Foot.

However, I hope you will show us in the next stele a faction that isn't obvious.
For instance, just in case, if you have decided to add Numidia, it wouldn't be a surprise to reveal them, after so many months I'd prefer to see, dunno, Illyrians or Arveaci or Boii or Bartix (random examples). ;)

We won't be showing a faction in the next stele period.

Foot

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Originally Posted by Foot

Well I know. But we're not telling you now. They will be released much in the same way as Pergamon was, as a preview of the faction. Was that not obvious. Its how things are done around here. Generally, as modders, the only thing that allows us to sleep at night is playing on the nerves of the fans.

I can tell you that at least one of the unrevealed factions controls at least one of the current provinces on the EB map at the beginning of 272BC. Also the next faction we will reveal has a name beginning with a letter of the alphabet.
Foot

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i dont want to be a revealing person but i think that you just said Syracuse will be the next preview hahaha xD

..no, he didn't.

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Originally Posted by Foot

We won't be showing a faction in the next stele period.

Foot

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Interesting...
A new game-mechanic, perhaps?


And for the Thracians, there were, if I'm not mistaken, some kingdom centered around Tylis from ca. 280 b.C, but it was more of a celtic-thracian kingdom, and it was not a major player, although they persisted well into roman imperial times, so they are not very likely... Still possible, though.

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Originally Posted by Hax

..no, he didn't.

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Muahahahah yes he did xD

Man, eddy, you are going to be so disappointed.

Foot

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Muahahahah yes he did xD

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No, he didn't. He only stated that one of the unrevealed factions will control at least one region that existed in 272. How the hell did you get to Syracuse from that?