Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

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Originally Posted by Syn

hey raskol do you remember visor's low-power 13er on MU

frog's reaction to me "red-checking" him?

you're copying that right now

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yeah. What was frog alignment?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

like this post. No I am not roughly 17%, 19%, or Idktf how much more equity above rand. I am or I have been visited by a wolf (since I am not the JOAT and I wasn't targeted N1 because it's robyn), period. So it is exactly RAND. So Ender has strictly NOTHING against me mechanically. NOTHING.

Lettuce think about his second (still unseen) peek. it's even worse, since that guy could have been visited by Visor. So a red peek means even less since he has actually more chance (50% more, 3 out of 5) to be a villa.

But Ender still outs its misleading results, him as a PR and people are assuming I am a wolf lol. And people are assuming this is good play from villa!Ender.

disgusting. any villa should reconsider tbh.

Hf

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@Raskolnikov

what's your solve? assume ender is town for it

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

yeah. What was frog alignment?

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Oh yeah Syn, Frog, who exploded, was town. (I remember lol I was a wolf)

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

like this post. No I am not roughly 17%, 19%, or Idktf how much more equity above rand. I am or I have been visited by a wolf (since I am not the JOAT and I wasn't targeted N1 because it's robyn), period. So it is exactly RAND. So Ender has strictly NOTHING against me mechanically. NOTHING.

Lettuce think about his second (still unseen) peek. it's even worse, since that guy could have been visited by Visor. So a red peek means even less since he has actually more chance (50% more, 3 out of 5) to be a villa.

But Ender still outs its misleading results, him as a PR and people are assuming I am a wolf lol. And people are assuming this is good play from villa!Ender.

disgusting. any villa should reconsider tbh.

Hf

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this argument doesn't really work given that the mech/numbers was already explained to you

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Originally Posted by dyachei

@Raskolnikov

what's your solve? assume ender is town for it

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I really don't know at this point.

I was already annoyed after Wisdom tbh, now if Ender is town I will just have to go and get healed for ptsd.

nutella is prolly one though because they have been pocketing me when I was trying to chop Wisdom, and is now just not even trying to think about the possiblity of me being a villager (and if you read my posts carefully, and I know it's hard to get past my displayed annoyance today, you will see I thought about the fact Ender could be villa, which she has not deigned to think about regarding my slot today).

past that idk lol too many things to think about and I actually don't want to rn;

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Originally Posted by Syn

this argument doesn't really work given that the mech/numbers was already explained to you

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wat?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I really don't know at this point.

I was already annoyed after Wisdom tbh, now if Ender is town I will just have to go and get healed for ptsd.

nutella is prolly one though because they have been pocketing me when I was trying to chop Wisdom, and is now just not even trying to think about the possiblity of me being a villager (and if you read my posts carefully, and I know it's hard to get past my displayed annoyance today, you will see I thought about the fact Ender could be villa, which she has not deigned to think about regarding my slot today).

past that idk lol too many things to think about and I actually don't want to rn;

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I understand where you're coming from on Nutella but I think her thought process for other stuff has been her village game? And I'm not sure if I read her ISO and came out with the same conclusions as you, I'd be able to do anything other than just die

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Originally Posted by dyachei

I understand where you're coming from on Nutella but I think her thought process for other stuff has been her village game? And I'm not sure if I read her ISO and came out with the same conclusions as you, I'd be able to do anything other than just die

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She specifically thanked two posts from me when I was explaining how Wisdom was never a villager (lol). but anyway. I am taking a break because I don't think me itt rn will make it enjoyable so:


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/21/90...1ec0f5d418.gif


Have the scene friendos

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

She specifically thanked two posts from me when I was explaining how Wisdom was never a villager (lol). but anyway. I am taking a break because I don't think me itt rn will make it enjoyable so:


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/21/90...1ec0f5d418.gif


Have the scene friendos

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was just hoping to get your thoughts before you go, so take care

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

wat?

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if he has two motion results, today is the best time to reveal and not when a deep wolf has a chance to CC at MYLO

keeping one result hidden until later is just good play

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Originally Posted by Syn

if he has two motion results, today is the best time to reveal and not when a deep wolf has a chance to CC at MYLO

keeping one result hidden until later is just good play

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did he say what his other result was?

VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #2250

raskolnikov 3 vulgard enderwiggin nutella
vulgard 1 boquise
cape90 1 achro
enderwiggin 1 raskolnikov

Majority is in effect. With 10 players remaining the magic number is 6. If you think Maj has been reached, please stop posting and let benneh and i know.

Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/29

@EnderWiggin: claim the full results before I get majed.

unvote: Ender

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Originally Posted by dyachei

did he say what his other result was?

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not yet

he's probably waiting to see how everyone posts to maximize spew

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I really don't know at this point.

I was already annoyed after Wisdom tbh, now if Ender is town I will just have to go and get healed for ptsd.

nutella is prolly one though because they have been pocketing me when I was trying to chop Wisdom, and is now just not even trying to think about the possiblity of me being a villager (and if you read my posts carefully, and I know it's hard to get past my displayed annoyance today, you will see I thought about the fact Ender could be villa, which she has not deigned to think about regarding my slot today).

past that idk lol too many things to think about and I actually don't want to rn;

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I'm not entertaining the possibility that you're town because you're not. I already scumread you before the result and thought that you were only town if you were the md and your initial reaction to ender's claim sealed it for me. Sorry bud

@Achro @nutella @Wisdom apologies. I will behave myself smh.
@Lapras: post pls so we get Ender's second result

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Originally Posted by nutella

can you get me to why not cape?

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Reaction today + Rask remonstrating with him doesn't look w/w.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

honestly maybe syn is a wolf too

@EnderWiggin you had a tr on this, have you found other reasons

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Honestly a lot of the townread was built around how stubbornly anti-consensus Syn was D1/D2.

And that could be wrong?

I want it to be right but I admit not as confident with Syn anymore.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

it's not what I meant fwiw. I am saying Ender doesn't have any conclusive info if he is a villa. And the way he presented his results (well he didn't present his results actually, just a partial one) is just pushing another ML.

Anyway, yeah it's maybe just a bad reaction from me. but it was still a reaction from villa!me. :shrug:

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I mean I presented information in a way to provoke reactions to try and get reads.

If we miss today it's MYLO tomorrow.

Me claiming today should 100% of the time happen no matter what results I have. Holding MD claim to MYLO is notgood.tm.

So my job was provoke a stir and find where the wolves are and you really really reacted like a wolf when I slammed that claim down.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

like this post. No I am not roughly 17%, 19%, or Idktf how much more equity above rand. I am or I have been visited by a wolf (since I am not the JOAT and I wasn't targeted N1 because it's robyn), period. So it is exactly RAND. So Ender has strictly NOTHING against me mechanically. NOTHING.

Lettuce think about his second (still unseen) peek. it's even worse, since that guy could have been visited by Visor. So a red peek means even less since he has actually more chance (50% more, 3 out of 5) to be a villa.

But Ender still outs its misleading results, him as a PR and people are assuming I am a wolf lol. And people are assuming this is good play from villa!Ender.

disgusting. any villa should reconsider tbh.

Hf

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You having motion when we have confirmed JOAT results is ABSOLUTELY above rand for you to be wolf.

But it's not a guarantee. I'll agree.

However, impression/presentation forces reactions and I will absolutely do it again because it forces reactions.

Please DO NOT MAJ.

Unvote: Raskol

I will reveal my other check this evening when I finish work. So in approximately 12ish hours.

I am hoping Lapras appears and puts thoughts in, but I suspect they're trying to avoid spew.

Also I'm considering worlds where Rask is a town who straight over-reacted and got firefighted n1 or something.

Anyway I've got to get ready for a longass day at work so catch y'all when I'm back and exhausted.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I mean I presented information in a way to provoke reactions to try and get reads.

If we miss today it's MYLO tomorrow.

Me claiming today should 100% of the time happen no matter what results I have. Holding MD claim to MYLO is notgood.tm.

So my job was provoke a stir and find where the wolves are and you really really reacted like a wolf when I slammed that claim down.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Honestly a lot of the townread was built around how stubbornly anti-consensus Syn was D1/D2.

And that could be wrong?

I want it to be right but I admit not as confident with Syn anymore.

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be confident uwu

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

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what's the solve

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I will reveal my other check this evening when I finish work. So in approximately 12ish hours.

I am hoping Lapras appears and puts thoughts in, but I suspect they're trying to avoid spew.

Also I'm considering worlds where Rask is a town who straight over-reacted and got firefighted n1 or something.

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I encourage you to solve in this world for the rest of toDay. Because it's the world we live in and because you won't be there tmr to do it if ur villa.

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Originally Posted by Syn

what's the solve

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no WIM tonight. Will do some ISOs before Ender comes back.


I do think Boq/dyatown.
u town
nutella wolf
one in Achro/Vulgard/Cape
Ender idc (lettuce solve in v!Ender worlds. that's a D4 pb if he is not)
Dz I don't remember anything > rand wolf.

bold names I need to ISO again. (or at least read SODs)

what is your solve? I don't recall any takes outside me since Wisdom flipped town. How did it impact your reads?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I encourage you to solve in this world for the rest of toDay. Because it's the world we live in and because you won't be there tmr to do it if ur villa.

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i really don't think you'll flip town but if you do i think i'd still suspect cape lol

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

what is your solve? I don't recall any takes outside me since Wisdom flipped town. How did it impact your reads?

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?\_(ツ)_/?

i should have known this forum's character renderer would screw that up

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

what is your solve? I don't recall any takes outside me since Wisdom flipped town. How did it impact your reads?

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tbh the issue I'm facing is that my reads don't actually have a reason to change very much despite wisdom flipping villager (and it's why boq has turned to scum-reading me)

my scum-reads on nutella and vulgard existed independently of wisdom despite the associations in slot handling

i don't really care about lapras and achro and that's basically good enough for a town read for me

boq is fine

cape oscillates between fine and not fine between posting spurts

i really just want to be lazy and wait and see what happens before seeing if I need to actually change my viewpoint

wolfy etc etc

who said visor was obviously joat and outed? if that's actually the case, then it's possible wolves used the power killer on him last night and visor roleblocked the NK

ender's second MD would be an actual 100% red check then

(but wouldn't be if wolves used the NK on visor, but this seems somewhat unlikely IMO?)

as I write this I realize visor may have doc'd the NK target instead and none of this matters

what am I doing

unga bunga syn no understand

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Originally Posted by Syn

who said visor was obviously joat and outed? if that's actually the case, then it's possible wolves used the power killer on him last night and visor roleblocked the NK

ender's second MD would be an actual 100% red check then

(but wouldn't be if wolves used the NK on visor, but this seems somewhat unlikely IMO?)

as I write this I realize visor may have doc'd the NK target instead and none of this matters

what am I doing

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oh this is interesting

took me a min to realize what you meant but assuming firefighter carried yeah

and yeah idk, i wasn't sure but thought it was visor that made sense to poison robyn and then robyn like took him out of a list in a way that sort of hinted they believed it was him, so it does seem plausible wolves would have used the power kill if they picked up on that

interestingly rask said he picked up on who joat was and i believe hes just a wolf but it is a little funny if a wolf was so open about saying that?

ugh this makes me want the 2nd result a lot more but we must wait

and @Lapras where tf u at

actually doctor just seems more likely but thats from my biased point of view where i think i was the most likely non-pr kill last night and visor might have been more likely to go for doccing me if he didnt have a particularly strong wolf read to block


will be funny if ender's motion is on me bc i was docced :curtain:

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Originally Posted by nutella

actually doctor just seems more likely but thats from my biased point of view where i think i was the most likely non-pr kill last night and visor might have been more likely to go for doccing me if he didnt have a particularly strong wolf read to block


will be funny if ender's motion is on me bc i was docced :curtain:

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*squints*

just thinking ahead

it's probably hypothetical of me to worry about being misvoted in that scenario while not really entertaining rask v worlds rn but like hes wolfy and im not so

with allah as my witness I'm going to tunnel hazelnut spread tomorrow

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Originally Posted by Syn

with allah as my witness I'm going to tunnel hazelnut spread tomorrow

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i recommend cape instead

youre still massively overestimating my wolf game

and somehow also overestimating my town game

im just not that good lol

you think i was engineering reads to look good whichever way they flip but i have instead cleverly made it so i look bad regardless of how they flip because of the mental gymnastics i do as town

there wouldnt be as much aggressive weathervaning as wolf, i'd take care to be cleaner and just come off awkward in a stilted way rather than in a messy way

Hi sorry im late what have i missed

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Originally Posted by nutella

youre still massively overestimating my wolf game

and somehow also overestimating my town game

im just not that good lol

you think i was engineering reads to look good whichever way they flip but i have instead cleverly made it so i look bad regardless of how they flip because of the mental gymnastics i do as town

there wouldnt be as much aggressive weathervaning as wolf, i'd take care to be cleaner and just come off awkward in a stilted way rather than in a messy way

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I think your top tier n mac spent a game we were scum together extolling your skills too

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Originally Posted by Lapras

Hi sorry im late what have i missed

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go on i'll wait

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Originally Posted by Lapras

I think your top tier n mac spent a game we were scum together extolling your skills too

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mac likes to exaggerate

you can look back at my games yourself if you so desire, but first please catch up here

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

no WIM tonight. Will do some ISOs before Ender comes back.


I do think Boq/dyatown.
u town
nutella wolf
one in Achro/Vulgard/Cape
Ender idc (lettuce solve in v!Ender worlds. that's a D4 pb if he is not)
Dz I don't remember anything > rand wolf.

bold names I need to ISO again. (or at least read SODs)

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why only1 in achro/vulgard/cape?

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Originally Posted by nutella

go on i'll wait

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Ive had and still am having mild baby distractions so id appreciate cliffs

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Originally Posted by Lapras

Ive had and still am having mild baby distractions so id appreciate cliffs

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ender has motion on rask, and has a second motion result not yet outed. i recommend you read some of the ensuing reactions/discussion if you have some time and evaluate how rask has handled the pressure. start here

Rask seems bad pg 71

Im trying to find the peek reveal

i think rask is prob just the firefighter bc it was on his mind even before ender revealed the result, he said something about it that seemed weirdly out of context and it seemed like he had it ready as an excuse bc he got the sense ender was building up to reveal motion on him

if he was town the power killer would have also been a possibility

Feels like rasks a wolf fs? Any other claims?

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Originally Posted by nutella

i think rask is prob just the firefighter bc it was on his mind even before ender revealed the result, he said something about it that seemed weirdly out of context and it seemed like he had it ready as an excuse bc he got the sense ender was building up to reveal motion on him

if he was town the power killer would have also been a possibility

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This feels right sorry i just read n his reaction is all over blown he didnt even think about how MD also works dor ppl being visited

I wont vote cuz maj etc

But yh seems decided

Nutella seems towny why are you pushing them @Syn

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Originally Posted by nutella

oh this is interesting

took me a min to realize what you meant but assuming firefighter carried yeah

and yeah idk, i wasn't sure but thought it was visor that made sense to poison robyn and then robyn like took him out of a list in a way that sort of hinted they believed it was him, so it does seem plausible wolves would have used the power kill if they picked up on that

interestingly rask said he picked up on who joat was and i believe hes just a wolf but it is a little funny if a wolf was so open about saying that?

ugh this makes me want the 2nd result a lot more but we must wait

and @Lapras where tf u at

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Robyn said joat was obvious fwiw

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Originally Posted by Lapras

Nutella seems towny why are you pushing them @Syn

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tea leaves

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Originally Posted by nutella

achro
boq
ender
lapras
syn
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dya
cape
rask
vulgard


it's uh a Lot more complicated than this in my mind, theres a web of interdependencies that i dont want to go into yet especially until ender talks about rask but ill leave this here for now and see yall in the morn

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Howd you end up tring me?

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Originally Posted by Lapras

Howd you end up tring me?

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idk

i guess i started bc i was wolfreading vulgard and didnt think you fit

im not that sure hes a wolf but i think he can fit as one in several worlds

but also your vibes kinda improved nebulously even though you havent done much

enderwiggin waiting room

(ill def be in bed when he gets back rip)

I'm more confident that Lapras is scum. Finding who is scummier between Nutella and Vulgard is going to be impossible. I am sorry for my performance this game. My day 1 was like S teir cape being obviously town. Now I don't know what the heck I'm doing.

My POE is Rask/Lapras/Vulgard/Nutella.

If there is no cc motion tracker then I just take it as clear

And somehow Boq and day are not in my POE and are the towniest players.

God help me

Well actually it is easily Syn who is towniest by a mile

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

@EnderWiggin: claim the full results before I get majed.

unvote: Ender

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This guy KNOWS ender is real. So yeah I'm bad at game

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I will reveal my other check this evening when I finish work. So in approximately 12ish hours.

I am hoping Lapras appears and puts thoughts in, but I suspect they're trying to avoid spew.

Also I'm considering worlds where Rask is a town who straight over-reacted and got firefighted n1 or something.

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What does re eval even mean? You have a check no?

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Originally Posted by Syn

cape oscillates between fine and not fine between posting spurts

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You should be scum reading me

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Originally Posted by Syn

do I really need to explain why a wolf would deign to pretend and lie in a mafia game

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What benefit does Vulgard get from doing something that would frame themselves 2 times?

I'm not making sense because I'm bowling but I'm just confused and will probably just take you as town if vul is wolf

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Originally Posted by nutella

can you get me to why not cape?

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That's not what ender said there but it's good to know ur not reading some things

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Originally Posted by nutella

Lol yeah found a rask teammate.


Also vulgard is town again.

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Meh just kill Lapras when I die. I just couldn't believe that Rask was very likely mafia there

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Meh just kill Lapras when I die. I just couldn't believe that Rask was very likely mafia there

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I'm confident enough to say. Please don't stray from it :)

what

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Originally Posted by Cape90

I'm confident enough to say. Please don't stray from it :)

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vulgard or lapras pick one lol

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Originally Posted by nutella

@Cape90 i do not understand your reaction to the claim stuff, what was the frustration aimed at, and what is your actual take on rask

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That I thought Rask was super towny before the claim, then pretty much seemed outed. So I have questions about what the rest of town are up to since like. That was part of my town core

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Originally Posted by nutella

You fit too well with cape for me to ignore, even if I see a slight amount of towny spark in your posts it really has not been enough.

Especially since I think vul is town again, I think I just have the team

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What made Vulgards posts believe able walk me through that train of thought

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Originally Posted by Cape90

That I thought Rask was super towny before the claim, then pretty much seemed outed. So I have questions about what the rest of town are up to since like. That was part of my town core

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idk what to tell you man, i insisted at sod that rask was wolfy and i thought you were gonna consider it and you just...didnt

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Recovering my mind here is hard, ngl. but still worth trying.



why did you bait for JOAT reads in the first place Cape?

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Robyn was saying JOAT was obvious so I just decided to see who would town tell off of it

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Originally Posted by Cape90

What made Vulgards posts believe able walk me through that train of thought

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does my elaboration a few posts down help

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Originally Posted by nutella

These in particular. He has a bit of a rocky start with liking rask's reaction which I find a bit bewildering but I went in with confbias already having thought rask w/ender md, so I think it's just a real uninformed reaction. Then he goes back and sees what I had seen from ender that makes it make sense. And reacts to cape in a way that vibes with me.

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idk i still flip flopped a bit on it and still def think he can be wolf but his reaction was at least more transparent to me than yours

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Robyn was saying JOAT was obvious so I just decided to see who would town tell off of it

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Nobody did

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Originally Posted by nutella

These in particular. He has a bit of a rocky start with liking rask's reaction which I find a bit bewildering but I went in with confbias already having thought rask w/ender md, so I think it's just a real uninformed reaction. Then he goes back and sees what I had seen from ender that makes it make sense. And reacts to cape in a way that vibes with me.

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Sorry I'm on mobile preoccupied and missed this. But I do remember relatively liking at least the first post there as it was similar to why I had a townread on Ender despite Ender being all snippy at pressure.

Not bad