That is a good point, so you would say that the Israeli attacks did absolutely nothing to Hamas since you just called the only other two options lies? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
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That is a good point, so you would say that the Israeli attacks did absolutely nothing to Hamas since you just called the only other two options lies? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Gahza! :wall:
Israel loses nothing here, those who made up their mind have made up their mind. All that money for rebuilding would normally go to rockets, so less money for rockets. Hamas is the moral victor in this for those who already felt they are the moral victor, the only thing that changes is that Hamas has less money to do their thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
You honestly don't think that the invasion will turn Moderates into Radicals? If not there is obviously no point arguing with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
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Originally Posted by Fragony
You just start bashing away at that keyboard whether your brain is switched on or not. Do you really believe that home made rockets take up nearly all Hamas expediture? I'd be amazed if it took any more than 10%.
Typing in fugue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Idaho
Actually Frag Israel lost plenty , they showed that they are both weak and stupid .Quote:
Israel loses nothing here
They also showed that despite blocking the media there the new improved intensive propoganda program couldn't put out stories without them falling apart within hours which seriously lost them credibility .
I'd be amazed if they even spent that , I would have thought their overseas sponsors supplied all that crap for free .Quote:
I'd be amazed if it took any more than 10%.
Probably. But Hamas already hurts what it can hurt so what difference does it make if there are more radicals?Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Its a 'final solution' isnt it? Radicalize people so you have an excuse to kill them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
But of course these people are of a different colour and religion so why should you care...
YEAH. Well no. Just pointing out that this backfiring to Israel like CountArach seems to think it is somewhat silly, it's not going to change anyone's mind, the only effect is less money for Hamas if actually spend the cash on rebuilding.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasoforos
Rebuilding? Has Israel run out of targets?
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what difference does it make if there are more radicals?
Since the problem is radicals then any attempt at progress should be directed at reducing the amount of radicals not increasing it .
So Frag was that another obvious case of
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You just start bashing away at that keyboard whether your brain is switched on or not.
so if showing weakness encourages the radicals and showing strength also encourages them, what do you think should be done?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
and lets assume that the borders have been opened and all that other stuff you want israel to do regarding gaza has been done.
then what should israel do to reduce the number of radicals, if opening the borders and stuff hasnt worked?
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so if showing weakness encourages the radicals and showing strength also encourages them
It was the show of "strength" that exposed the weakness , just like it did in Lebanon .
They got their very own wall to wail at, they can be radical all they want, they will just have to make due with killing eachother to satisfy their needs :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
answer the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
typical of you to skirt around the question this way.
I guess he ran out of bollox-dust :juggle2:
Ask a sensible question .Quote:
answer the question.
Or could you really imagine the scenario where reaching agreement will by magic increase the numbers of radicals and their support base instead of reducing it ?
i repeat, answer my perfectly sensible question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
if you want i will ask others in this forum and ask them if its a sensible question. then we will see.
Actually he did answer it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy
Tribesman asserted that the "strong" efforts made by the IDF in Gaza and Lebanon made no lasting impact on the terrorist organizations they were attempting to degrade, despite claims of success on a superficial level. He asserts that this shows inherent "weakness" in that Israel, while trying to demonstrate power and resolve, displayed an inability to critically damage their chosen targets.
By extension, he's suggesting that military force is doomed to failure in this context and that Israel needs to negotiate with Hamas, Hezbollah and the other groups, or more probably with the nation-states that underwrite them, and then stick to the deal as written even though some of the real fringers will kill Israelis regardless of any settlement agreement.
Mind you, it would have been kinder if he'd explained the comment rather than zinging in the tagline and moving on, but I suspect he enjoys leaving you confused and frustrated.
No, that is not what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Seamus, i asked him what he would do, if negotiation nor military force worked, to reduce the radicals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
also, asking the israelis to not do anything while israelis are dying is absurd. the politicians who werent doing anything would be voted out really quickly, and replaced with those who would act.
Oh looky replaced with those who would act.
By that you mean those that would use military strikes instead of negotiating
Well done Hooah , you see that the use of violence against the population makes the population more radical and turn to the more extreme groups .
oh sorry , the problem is that you can see it but don't actually see it .
Hey from what has been written here I thought that was his natural state :2thumbsup:Quote:
I suspect he enjoys leaving you confused and frustrated.
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Originally Posted by CountArach
Do you support Hamas killing Israel people? It's ok if they fire rockets in Israel and kill their people, but if Israel bombs the Palentines and kill the Hamas, it's not ok?
Besides, if more civilans die, maybe the Palinetines would wake up and realize if they keeping supporting terroists, they will suffer.
Sounds cruel, but it's the truth.
no, not that. you may not agree now, but if there were terrorist attacks in your area, you would demand your government to do something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
when i said replaced with those who would act i was referring to Seamus's post, on Israel sticking to the deal as written even though the radicals will kill Israelis regardless of any settlement agreement.
in this case, diplomacy hasnt worked. israelis are still dying (in this case) and that is not acceptable.
but you still haven't answered my question:
if diplomacy and military fails, what would you do?
:laugh4: ... what? Seriously? I am opposed to violence of all kinds, which comes from being a pacifist. REGARDLESS of who does it, it is still murder. However, Israel is responsible for the deaths of more people and their reasons for doing so are less sound. Never once did I say that Hamas should kill Israelis...Quote:
Originally Posted by ||GoTW||Warman8||Sldr||-III-||
Orrrrrrrrrrr, the far more likely response would be the situation I laid out - they become more radical themselves due to the loss of family members and support from the Hamas institution. Besides the majority of Palestinians do not support Terrorist acts, they are quite moderate - punishing the greater majority for the actions of the minority is in fact a breach of International law.Quote:
Originally Posted by ||GoTW||Warman8||Sldr||-III-||
Its certainly one of those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by ||GoTW||Warman8||Sldr||-III-||
its a 50-50 chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
if israel doesnt do anything theres a big chance that more radicals will emerge. hamas will see it as a victory and will strengthen their cause. people will see that israel is weak, so they will begin to think that israel can be defeated.
it can go both ways.
A Grad rocket fired from the Gaza Strip landed in an open area in central Ashkelon today. There were no reports of injuries or damage.
No. Just no. Think about it - why would people become radicals WITHOUT ANY REASON?Quote:
Originally Posted by hooahguy
They don't without any reason. But if they finally see they can win, Hamas may well see a boost from those who want to see Israel destroyed, but weren't keen on joining a futile cause. Hence, boosted recruitment for Hamas. I can certainly see Hooah's point.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach