The BDS movement and the association of anti-Zionism and antisemitism

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Originally Posted by Tiaexz

The video is quite poor in some cases, it has the Great War being conducted ten years too early and with post-WW1 borders in 1914 was the most glaring example. There are quite a number of other different events which are occurring on the wrong dates and such, and a couple of them seemed made up.

Eitherway, that is the past, it is forgetting key features of the Israeli-Palestine conflict such as the Oslo Accords.

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He's applying a linear timeline with 2 data points on a map that changes non-linear, since the map is done by someone else. 30-40 points would be better.

Anyway, the right to conquest has been massivly looked down to after WWII.

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Originally Posted by Hooahguy

Israel is still in the West Bank, you are thinking of Gaza. If the US's experience in Iraq and Afghanistan is any indication, iron fists do not work in the long term. Humanitarian aid does. Hearts and minds. At the very least, settlement expansion isnt helping either.

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Humanitarian aid only works as a stopgap, and only works if the local kleptocrats cannot siphon off the majority for themselves.

In the long run, the "natives" must develop carrying capacity for themselves -- the ability to do things for themselves -- or aid is nought but a sinkhole.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Humanitarian aid only works as a stopgap, and only works if the local kleptocrats cannot siphon off the majority for themselves.

In the long run, the "natives" must develop carrying capacity for themselves -- the ability to do things for themselves -- or aid is nought but a sinkhole.

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Aye, just shipping in the stuff to the gates of Gaza wont do anything, as we have seen with Africa (warlords taking most of the aid), Iraq, and Afghanistan, and gods know where else, it needs to be put into the hands of the people directly. If Afghanistan is any indication, the villages that got aid from NATO such as food, electricity, and farming equipment, they were the least likely to fight against NATO, as they didnt need the Taliban to survive and didnt believe them when they said that NATO was evil and such. Now then, even if Hamas keeps touting how Israel is satan, yet Israel is bringing in tons of food, water, supplies, etc, who are the Palestinians more likely to believe? The people providing them food? Or the ones giving them nothing. Right now, Hamas is the one trying to meet the daily needs of the Palestinians, bringing more and more of them onto their side, while Israel keeps shelling and dropping bombs, giving Hamas all the reason to say that Israel only wants to destroy them.

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Originally Posted by Hooahguy

Aye, just shipping in the stuff to the gates of Gaza wont do anything, as we have seen with Africa (warlords taking most of the aid), Iraq, and Afghanistan, and gods know where else, it needs to be put into the hands of the people directly. If Afghanistan is any indication, the villages that got aid from NATO such as food, electricity, and farming equipment, they were the least likely to fight against NATO, as they didnt need the Taliban to survive and didnt believe them when they said that NATO was evil and such. Now then, even if Hamas keeps touting how Israel is satan, yet Israel is bringing in tons of food, water, supplies, etc, who are the Palestinians more likely to believe? The people providing them food? Or the ones giving them nothing. Right now, Hamas is the one trying to meet the daily needs of the Palestinians, bringing more and more of them onto their side, while Israel keeps shelling and dropping bombs, giving Hamas all the reason to say that Israel only wants to destroy them.

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This kind of naivete is cute. Wrong, but cute.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

This kind of naivete is cute. Wrong, but cute.

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So you mean any goodwill shown will be interpreted as a weakness and be exploited to drive the Israelis back into the sea?

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

This kind of naivete is cute. Wrong, but cute.

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Do you have a better idea? The status quo clearly isnt working.

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Originally Posted by Hooahguy

Do you have a better idea? The status quo clearly isnt working.

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How so, there are hardly any attacks anymore because of the wall and the checkpoints. (Egypt also build a wall and gasses tunnels, zero outrage from people with culture and people who have superior morals). The Palestinians allready get the most aid in the world. Does that help? Nope. A wall helps.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

How so, there are hardly any attacks anymore because of the wall and the checkpoints.

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But they still happen and more importantly, the animosity is still there. Check out this segment from a Louis Theroux documentary. The attacks might have slowed but the hate is very much still there, especially in the younger population. And that will just fester until it bursts again.

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The Palestinians allready get the most aid in the world. Does that help? Nope. A wall helps.

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Wrong. They are third. Pakistan and Somalia are first and second. According to Global Humanitarian Assistance anyways (though your points still stands, I will agree that just pouring aid into Gaza from outside doesnt necessarily mean it will work, I was specifically discussing sending aid from Israel). And I do agree with you that when it comes for security, the wall certainly helps, but thinking long term it also hurts a lot. It becomes a symbol of oppression for the Palestinians and then they teach their kids that the Israelis are people to hate for putting up this wall. Should they be more angry at the terrorists who bomb buses and caused the wall to be put up? Absolutely, there are no saints in this conflict.

My point is that if you want to end the conflict, a change in the mindset of both sides is in order, and Israel should be the "bigger man" in this conflict and take the first steps towards this goal.

Numbers are wrong, Palestinians get the most if you include UN-freemoney on tops of the free money they get from the EU and the free money they get from the US. There is a reason they are so fat, second fattest in the world. More food? So that can hatch even more offspring?

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Originally Posted by Fragony

There is a reason they are so fat, second fattest in the world. More food? So that can hatch even more offspring?

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Actually, that is related to the type of diet, opposed to eating too much. They get a lot of grain and simple sugars from the aid into their diets, opposed to anything too healthily produced. Video discussing why this is bad. So the body simply burns the sugar and stores what is not used and doesn't touch the fat (so no ketogenesis). Even then, when I was actually in Palestine and Israel, on average, the Israeli's were far larger than the Palestinians who were quite scrawny.

There are also visual differences even in Jerusalem where the Israeli side were all pristine and well-kept, whilst the Arab side was rather ran-down and in the dumps. This is even more so when you travelled around, you could easily tell the difference between the Jewish and Arab communities, with the Jewish communities being in a style of an American suburb whilst the Arab communities were mud-bricks and random panels of iron/fabric used as roofs and walls.

If it's the dieet their exceptionally long life expendenship is kinda odd, beats Turkey, and them Turks really like good food.