Mass Shooting in Orlando become's USA's worst.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

In hindsight now that more is clear, you were probably right

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Just to clarify, I'm not absolving religion entirely. Upbringing is a huge part of mental health, and his upbringing was pretty f'ed up to say the least. His father was as conservative as they come despite not encouraging violence.

At the end of the day though, it comes down to his own demented state.

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

People are people no matter what their sexuality is.

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That you feel the need to say this at all -- that it is not so basic a 'given' as to be unconsidered -- is a little saddening. Sadly, I think you are right that it still DOES need to be said.

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Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

Well, there is this: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...t-the-shooter/

I wonder, what they would be doing if they were not so pious?

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I'm sure you can find plenty of examples where a religious community supported the victims and their families. Like I said: religion is a catalyzer - it can help you move on the way you have chosen, whether the way of the evil or the way of the good.

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Originally Posted by Gilrandir

I'm sure you can find plenty of examples where a religious community supported the victims and their families. Like I said: religion is a catalyzer - it can help you move on the way you have chosen, whether the way of the evil or the way of the good.

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That's kind of self-defeating. It is as if you design a car bumper stuffed with explosives.

Samantha Bee get to the point:

https://youtu.be/t88X1pYQu-I

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Originally Posted by Showtime

Just to clarify, I'm not absolving religion entirely. Upbringing is a huge part of mental health, and his upbringing was pretty f'ed up to say the least. His father was as conservative as they come despite not encouraging violence.

At the end of the day though, it comes down to his own demented state.

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I shouldn't have just dismissed you that was wrong of me my apoligies for that. But maybe I am not wrong, terrorists blend in, it is never someone who wears a beard who does something horrible here, the most vicious attacks are from muslims who appear to be very modern, basicly agents. How to deal with that, no idea, it's just something to get used to imo, it's here and we are here. It will lose becausr it has the negative perk of not being able to shock no matter how horrifying.

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Originally Posted by CrossLOPER

That's kind of self-defeating. It is as if you design a car bumper stuffed with explosives.

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You seem to think that religion is an agent and it moves people like pieces on the chessboard. In my opinion religion is a game people play, so if a person kills somebody with a chessboard, do we blame the chessboard?

IMO it does not so much as move people as it gives them reason to justify doing what they did. Of course anything can be twisted and misinterpreted to justify wrong doings, but to go back to the chessboard, I'd say that I'd rather have a roll up chess mat than a wooden board with hard corners that can be used to hit someone really hard.
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Originally Posted by rajpoot

IMO it does not so much as move people as it gives them reason to justify doing what they did. Of course anything can be twisted and misinterpreted to justify wrong doings, but to go back to the chessboard, I'd say that I'd rather have a roll up chess mat than a wooden board with hard corners that can be used to hit someone really hard.
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I believe everything is decided before a person takes up a religion. He approaches his spiritual conversion with a baggage of values and preconceived attitudes. If those are initially well-meaning religion gives him a push in one direction (charity, mercy, tolerance and so on), if it is otherwise religion gives him a push in the opposite (violence, hate of opponents). Every person selects whatever tenets chime with his inner self, and religion has all kinds of them.

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Originally Posted by HopAlongBunny

Samantha Bee get to the point:

https://youtu.be/t88X1pYQu-I

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It is good to see samantha still doing good work after having to jump off the the daily show before it crashed and burned.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

It is good to see samantha still doing good work after having to jump off the the daily show before it crashed and burned.

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That was good work?

Compared to The Daily Show these days.

I miss John Stewart.

Angels sighted in Orlando!:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...rom-protesters

Style counts :)