Arthurian : Total War

I checked out the picts and it seems historically accurate to only have a southern faction...the south took over the north in 697 check it out here...

and also names for towns.....these are some in roman and some as british


Provincial Capital
LONDINIVM AVGVSTA (London, Greater London)


Roman Coloniae
CAMVLODVNVM (Colchester, Essex)
EBVRACVM (York, Yorkshire)
GLEVVM (Gloucester, Gloucestershire)
LINDVM (Lincoln, Lincolnshire)


British Tribal Cities
CAESAROMAGVS [TRINOVANTVM] (Chelmsford, Essex)
CALLEVA ATREBATVM (Silchester, Hampshire)
CORINIVM DOBVNNORVM (Cirencester, Gloucestershire)
DVRNOVARIA [DVROTRIGVM] (Dorchester, Dorset)
DVROVERNVM CANTIACORVM (Canterbury, Kent)
ISCA DVMNONIORVM (Exeter, Devon)
ISVRIVM BRIGANTVM (Aldborough, North Yorkshire)
MORIDVNVM [DEMETARVM] (Carmarthen, Dyfed)
NOVIOMAGVS REGNORVM (Chichester, West Sussex)
PETVARIA [PARISORVM] (Brough on Humber, Humberside)
RATAE CORIELTAVORVM (Leicester, Leicestershire)
VENTA BELGARVM (Winchester, Hampshire)
VENTA ICENORVM (Caistor St. Edmund, Norfolk)
VENTA SILURUM (Caerwent, Gwent)
VERVLAMIVM [CATVVELLORVM] (St. Albans, Hertfordshire)
VIROCONIVM CORNOVIORVM (Wroxeter, Shropshire)


Roman Spa Towns
AQVAE ARNEMETIAE (Buxton, Derbyshire)
AQVAE SVLIS (Bath, Avon)


Burgi - 4th Century Fortified Towns
BANNAVENTA (Whilton Lodge, Northamptonshire)
BANNOVALVM (Horncastle, Lincolnshire)
CLAVSENTVM (Bitterne, Hampshire)
LETOCETVM (Wall, Staffordshire)
MANDVESSEDVM (Mancetter, Warwickshire)
PENNOCRVCIVM (Water Eaton, Staffordshire)
TRIPONTIVM (Cave's Inn, Warwickshire)
VXACONA (Redhill, Shropshire)
Caistor (Lincolnshire)


Other Towns and Settlements with Latin Names
ABONA (Sea Mills, Avon)
AD PONTEM (East Stoke, Nottinghamshire)
ALABVM (Llandovery, Dyfed)
ARDOTALIA (Melandra Castle, Derbyshire)
ARICONIVM (Weston-under-Penyard, Hereford & Worcester)
BOVIVM (Tilston, Cheshire)
BRANODVNVM (Brancaster, Norfolk)
BRAVONIVM (Leintwardine, Hereford & Worcester)
BREMETENACVM VETERANORVM (Ribchester, Lancashire)
BREMIA (Llanio, Dyfed)
BVRRIVM (Usk, Gwent)
CALACVM (Burrow in Lonsdale, Lancashire)
CALCARIA (Tadcaster, North Yorkshire)
CAMBORITVM (Lackford, Suffolk)
CAMBODVNVM (Slack, West Yorkshire)
CANONIVM (Kelvedon, Essex)
CANOVIVM (Caerhun, Gwynedd)
CATARACTONIVM (Catterick, North Yorkshire)
CAVSENNAE (Ancaster, Lincolnshire)
CICVCIVM (Y Gaer, Powys)
COCCIVM (Wigan, Lancashire)
COMBRETOVIVM (Baylham House, Suffolk)
CONDATE (Northwich, Cheshire)
CROCOCALANA (Brough, Nottinghamshire)
CVNETIO (Mildenhall, Wiltshire)
DANVM (Doncaster, South Yorkshire)
DERVENTIO [CORITANORVM] (Littlechester, Derbyshire)
DERVENTIO [BRIGANTVM] (Malton, North Yorkshire)
DEVA (Chester, Cheshire)
PORTVS DVBRIS (Dover, Kent)
DVROBRIVAE [CANTIACORVM] (Rochester, Kent)
DVROBRIVAE [CATVVELLORVM] (Water Newton, Cambridgeshire)
DVROCOBRIVIS (Dunstable, Bedfordshire)
DVROCORNOVIVM (Wanborough, Wiltshire)
DVROLIPONTE (Cambridge, Cambridgeshire)
DVROVIGVTVM (Godmanchester, Cambridgeshire)
GARIANNVM (Burgh Castle, Norfolk)
GOBANNIVM (Abergavenny, Gwent)
ISCA SILVRVM (Caerleon, Gwent)
LACTODVRVM (Towcester, Northamptonshire)
LAGENTIVM (Castleford, West Yorkshire)
PORTVS LEMANIS (Lympne, Kent)
LEVCARVM (Loughor, West Glamorgan)
LEVCOMAGVS (East Anton, Hampshire)
LEVOBRINTA (Forden Gaer, Powys)
LINDINIS (Ilchester, Somerset)
LVENTINVM (Pumsaint, Dyfed)
LVTVDARVM (Crich, Derbyshire)
MAGIOVINIVM (Dropshort, Buckinghamshire)
MAGLONA (Pennal, Gwynedd)#
MAGNIS (Kenchester, Hereford & Worcester)
MAMVCIVM (Manchester, Greater Manchester)
MARGIDVNVM (Castle Hill, Nottinghamshire)
MEDIOLANVM (Whitchurch, Shropshire)
NAVIO (Brough, Derbyshire)
NIDVM (Neath, West Glamorgan)
NOVIOMAGVS CANTIACORVM (Crayford, Greater London)
OLENACVM (Elslack, North Yorkshire)
PONTES (Staines, Surrey)
REGVLBIVM (Reculver, Kent)
RIGODVNVM (Castleshaw, Greater Manchester)
RVTVNIVM (Harcourt Park, Shropshire)
RVTVPIAE (Richborough, Kent)
SALINAE [DOBVNNORVM] (Droitwich Spa, Hereford & Worcester)
SALINAE [CORNOVIORVM] (Middlewich, Cheshire)
SEGELOCVM (Littleborough, Nottinghamshire)
SEGONTIVM (Caernarfon, Gwynedd)
SORVIODVNVM (Old Sarum, Wiltshire)
SVLLONIACIS (Brockley Hill, Greater London)
VAGNIACIS (Springhead, Kent)
VENONIS (High Cross, Leicestershire)
VERBEIA (Ilkley, West Yorkshire)
VERLVCIO (Sandy Lane, Wiltshire)
VERNEMETVM (Willoughby, Nottinghamshire)
VERTIS (Worcester, Hereford & Worcester)
VINDOCLADIA (Badbury, Dorset)
VIROSIDVM (Brough by Bainbridge, North Yorkshire)


The British Islands
ICTIS (St. Michael's Mount, Cornwall)
MONA (Anglesey/Ynys Môn, Gwynedd)
VECTIS (Isle of Wight, Hampshire)
TANATVS (Thanet, Kent)
MANAU (Isle of Man)

Just wondering how you guys plan on implementing religion in this mod? I guess it all depends on how BI works -- if they allow for Conversion, for example -- but the basic problem as I see it is that the Anglo-Saxons will be pagan at the start and Christian at the end.

As a side note, I'm revisiting making an Arthurian-era mod for VI, using the Viking campaign map because I don't know how to make my own campmaps. Have any of you considered working on a MTW:VI version of this era, or do you know of anyone else who's done so already? If anyone knows how to make a campmap, for example ..... ~D ...

At any rate, it will be interesting. I'll be following your work; best of luck!

CountMRVHS

@Ian : very interesting !!! I will update the list with some names that miss, there you have found all the romans 'civitas'. I will split Domnonia into 2-3 regions, it need to be a strong kingdom (I got some PC problems so I will do it latter).

@CountMRVHS : as far as I have read, BI will features multiple religions, conversions, etc (read the differents previews), it will be something like as it was in MTW.
For an Arthurian mod for VI, see Thrashaholic : he PM me to help us, because he have worked on a such mod ~D

Hey guys listen!
we need to get some work done on this mod, i know the plan was to wait for BI but that is still quite a while away, does anybody know a skinner/moddler? because if we can get some units done more people will join the mod, we may even get our own sub-forum in the hosted mods section, but only if we get some work done, here's what i can do...

I can edit positions, names and areas of provinces

I can do basic Campaign map editing, e.g. making islands bigger or adding a load of land and incorperating it into that province

I can also edit faction names

here's what i can't do

Model, skin, faction banners, loading screens

What can you people do apart from historical info, soz if i sound p****d off it's just we need to get work done or this great mod idea will die...plus i have tests tomorrow in Biology, physics, chemistry and my maths test is on wednesday (for my mock GCSE's)

Interesting link on warfare during Arthurian age : http://www.georgetown.edu/users/kammerb/combat.htm

I have read 'Arthur and the Anglo-Saxon Wars' and 'Pictish Warrior' from Osprey books. I can scan some pictures later (when I got my PC back).
I will order Arthur's Britain (Leslie Alcock) and Age of Arthur (John Morris) later, but reading in a foreign language is tiring ~D

I have all of the above books as well, except for the John Morris one.

Another book I found very interesting is Geoffrey Ashe, The Kings and Queens of Early Britain. There's a significant section on the post-roman period leading up to Arthur, a big section on theories of Arthur himself, and so on into the Anglo-Saxon period.

Ashe's thesis is that Arthur can be best identified with Riothamus, a 5th-century "high king" from Britain who went across the channel into Gaul to give military assistance against the Franks, I believe. That's not the angle you guys are taking, but it's interesting anyway for the period references.

Yeah I know Ashe's work, but for me Riothamus=Ambrosius Aurelianus=Emrys Gwledig, the brother of Uther Pendragon and the uncle of Arthur ~D

We don't have good books like this in french (except those focused on Brittany like 'Origines de la Bretagne' by Léon Fleuriot) so I had to do with the english ones :crown:

Some very nice images from the arthurian era re-enactment group 'Britannia' :

http://www.durolitum.co.uk/images/gallery/parley.jpg

http://www.durolitum.co.uk/images/gallery/cavalry1.jpg

More at http://www.durolitum.co.uk/imageindex.htm

I think we may contact them to work with them ~D
I can do the same with others groups of the Dark Ages, but continental ones (The French 'Foederati' and the Belgian 'II Herculanii').

Pictish Units

Due to a paucity of information about Pictish social organisation, I have used a lot of conjecture here. Many of my unit descriptions are based on soldiers shown on various Pictish carved stones, especially the Aberlemno stone which shows a three line battle formation of swordsmen, pikemen and javelineers (or what may be javelineers). The names are a problem, as sadly reconstructing the lost Pictish language is far beyond my meagre talents.

Schiltron
Drawn from the ranks of freemen, farmers and other common folk, the Pictish schiltron would form a formidable wall of spears on the battlefield. They used long spears, shields slung over their shoulders, but went otherwise unarmoured. They fought in a phalanx, and while not elite professionals can be counted upon to give a good account of themselves.
(Heavy infantry, unarmoured, with round shields slung over their shoulders and long two-handed spears)

Swordsmen
The sons of wealthy freeholders and minor nobles, Pictish swordsmen are fast and skilful. They are not great defensive troops, as they lack armour or large shields, but they are deadly with their bucklers and short swords when used to attack in open order, and especially when closely supported by the spears of the poorer freemen. They can also be used as effective ambushers, being good at hiding and fast runners.
(Light infantry, unarmoured with “H” shaped bucklers, short swords and posher tunics than the above unit.)

Youths
Men too young to fight in the schiltron stand at the back and support their elders with a hail of javelins. They carry shields and can fight with their short spears if pressed, but they are relatively weak and their morale is brittle. They are fast runners though, and make good ambushers.
(Light infantry, unarmoured with round bucklers and a bundle of javelins. Fight in hand to hand with a short spear.)

Axemen
Some freemen fight in less of a tight formation than the schiltron, wielding short Pictish axes and bucklers. They are fierce, but they do not have the morale of professional troops. They are fast, good at hiding, and make excellent raiders. They are not so good at defending themselves or holding a line though.
(Light infantry, unarmoured with “H” shaped bucklers, javelins and “T-Bar” axes.)

Horsemen
Picts were very proud of their horses, though only the rich could afford one, and were excellent cavalrymen. These men form the retinues of the minor nobles and are a versatile force in battle, able to harass the enemy with their javelins before closing in to fight hand to hand.
(Light cavalry, unarmoured with round bucklers, javelins and spears.)


Heavy Horse
Though never shown in Pictish art, it is probable that the kings and mormaers (high nobles) went into battle armoured and heavily armed. These men form the bodyguards of royalty and the rulers of the land, and fight as heavily armoured shock cavalry.
(Heavy cavalry, mailed with round bucklers, javelins and spears or swords.)

Northern Warriors
The northern Picts remained pagan for many years longer than their southern cousins, and may have retained somewhat different traditions. They are usually shown with shorter spears, and it may be that the rought terrain of Caithness and Orkney forbids the use of the formidable schiltron, encouraging these ferocious warriors to use looser formations.
(Light infantry, long fringed robes, square bucklers, javelins and spears.

Huntsmen
The Picts were very fond of hunting, and it is possible that units of huntsmen would have been drawn up and used to ambush important enemies in battle. These men are fast, lightly equipped, superb at hiding in almost any terrain and very accurate. They may have used a form of crossbow, though this would not have been the armour-piercing weapon of the middle ages but an accurate hunting bow.
(Light infantry, hooded mantle, crossbow.)

Other Stuff:
Various other sources can be used to suggest Pictish units, but most are at best somewhat spurious. One stone shows large dogs accompanying armed warriors, but whether they are intended to be “war dogs” or the stone in depicting a hunting expedition is doubtful. Figures wearing animal masks or pelts are also common, though again whether they are mythical figures or represent some kind of cult activity or a special class of warrior is uncertain.

http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/pic.../smallpict.jpg An Orkney Pict, represented in the unit list as the northern warriors

http://www.white-history.com/refutin...ctish_line.jpg From a scummy website, I'm afraid, but the picture shows more northern picts with their characteristioc curled hair and pointy beards.

http://www.pictavia.org/A&S/weapons/media/benvie.jpg Pictish horsemen.

http://www.pictavia.org/A&S/weapons/media/aberk1.jpg The famous Aberlemno stone, depicting the Picts in battle on the left. The three line battle formation in the middle shows the possible "schiltron" formation with swordsmen out in front, pikemen behind and javelin armed men at the back, although the spearman at the rear may be a supporting rank - it's pretty unclear.

http://www.pictarts.demon.co.uk/bin/...s/drosten3.jpg The crossbowman is in the bottom left in the characteristic heavily hooded mantle.

Note that none of the Picts in any of their own representations wear helmets or any form of apparent body armour, but they are NOT naked. I'll see if I can scan in any images from the Osprey Pictish Warriors book as well, though I'll have to find somewhere to host them.

Good job Spongly ! Ranika may post something to comment your unit ideas. When I will got my PC back I will scan some Osprey images.

The Pict 'crossbow' is actually more than likely an arcuballista; it's one of the things they most commonly traded for or looted from dead Romans. Other than that, I don't have too much to say about the list. It looks alright to me. Some Pict military words (though probably corrupted by Gaelic, since Gaelic speaking authors kept them):

Ludo - Possibly related to 'kluddo', this is a sword...possibly
-luma - Suffix meaning 'one who carries'; so, 'Ludoluma' would be 'one who carries a sword'; the plural is -lom, so 'Ludolom' would be 'those who carry swords'...possibly
Gair - Almost surely related to 'gae', a spear
Cho or Tho - Not sure, think it's an axe or cudgel
Marchan - Probably related to Myrcharn or Marc, horsemen
Saoig - From the early Gaelic 'saigh', a bow
-daoer - From the early Gaelic 'deoir', suffix meaning soldiers or warriors; a 'saoigdaoer' would be archers, 'ludodaoer' would be swordsmen, etc.

Mind you, these are all inferences from the best of my understanding of the scant little we know (we've learned more in the past two years, but that's not saying much, considering we still know next to nothing).

I have just update unit lists with those pictish units.

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Originally Posted by ian_of_smeg16

Hey guys listen!
we need to get some work done on this mod, i know the plan was to wait for BI but that is still quite a while away, does anybody know a skinner/moddler? because if we can get some units done more people will join the mod, we may even get our own sub-forum in the hosted mods section, but only if we get some work done, here's what i can do...

I can edit positions, names and areas of provinces

I can do basic Campaign map editing, e.g. making islands bigger or adding a load of land and incorperating it into that province

I can also edit faction names

here's what i can't do

Model, skin, faction banners, loading screens

What can you people do apart from historical info, soz if i sound p****d off it's just we need to get work done or this great mod idea will die...plus i have tests tomorrow in Biology, physics, chemistry and my maths test is on wednesday (for my mock GCSE's)

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Did anybody listen to this or was i just blabbing on to myself, seriosly though does anybody know of a skinner or moddler tht'll help us?

Dark_shadow89 of the Age of Vikings and Fanatics team have scanned some Osprey pictures (from Arthur and the Anglo-Saxon Wars), have a look at the first three pictures (Saxons, Irish and Picts).

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=50622

Another image of this book, present on the frontcover showing a Briton cavalryman with some footmen.

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/osp_...rs/Q5480AL.JPG

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...=Q5480&ser=MAA

Glad to see i'm indirectly helping another mod ;)

Faction discussion :
- I think Wisigoths will not stay a playable faction. In the mod they will have only small territories (see the map), and historically those territories were loose to the Francs quickly. So on the continent they will be two factions, the Britons of Domnonia and the Franks (maybe splitted into differents factions if possible), each faction will own several territories at beginning, but they will be a lot of rebels territories.
- For others germanics faction, would you rather like to keep the actual situation (Angles, Saxons and Juts), or to had more factions (Gaewassae, Bernicians...) or to get ride of the Juts by making them rebels ?

Provinces discussion :
- As you can see we lack a lot of cities for our provinces. We will had others provinces maybe.
- So we need : province ideas, capital suggestions for each provinces (thought we can use 'generic' names like Caer xxx for the Britons, Dun xxx for the Gaels or the suffix -ichean for the Picts).
- I don't know if our provinces for the Saxons are accurate at the beginning of the game.

Unit discussion :
- Unit list is going to be complete, Ranika will translate some names for the Britons units.
- But we need more ideas for unique units for each factions (exemple the Domnonian cavalry for the Domnonians, or the Llydaw Blackshields), we need units for the Franks, and suggestions for mercenaries units.

We need skinners to make our first skins ! Units who will have the 'shieldwall' hability will be build only with BI models but for the moment we can make cavalry, archers, swordmen, axemen...

So if you want to help us by doing some skins (and models of course !) please PM me or answer there.

An interesting thread on the Fall of Rome mod forum :
http://www.stratcommandcenter.com/fo...showtopic=4150

Ideas for mercenary units:

Frisian Pirates
Frankish Mercenaries
Wraeccan (as per the Saxon unit list)
Armorican Cavalry

Dunno about Celtic mercenary types, but I'm pretty sure outlaws, exiles and other nasty sorts would probably have sold their swords to the highest bidder.

As for the Franks, I could probably do a bit of poking about and look into early Frankish armies. Not sure if they were organised along similar lines to early Saxon armies, but I'd imagine they were based around a king and his bodyguard with assorted tribal levies supporting them. Lots of throwing axes and a bit more cavalry than the Saxons.

Nice ~D

We have the Llydaw Cavalry for the Armorican cavalry, it will be a unique unit recruitable by the Britons in Brittany (also the Llydaw's blackshields for infantry).

For the Franks, they may have been more romanised than the Saxons, the Romans used a lot of them to gard the limes as foederati. I know a french re-enactement group named after that 'foederati', featuring late romans soldiers and frankish warriors, may I can ask them to help us ~D

Anyway I'm waiting your suggestions Spongly ;)

Merovingian armies seem to have been organised along similar lines to other Early Germanic armies – the king and his personal retinue, along with the “counts” and their war bands, with a general levy of all the able bodied men to support them. Again I have no idea about names, though I could probably post something on the proto-Germanic mailing list and ask…

King’s Warband: Clovis or any of his sons/brothers would probably command a bodyguard of heavy cavalry, armoured in chainmail with shields, helms, spears and swords. They would actually be able to dismount and fight on foot as well, but as this isn’t possible in RTW they should probably be cavalrymen, if only to differentiate them from the Saxons.

Count’s Warband: Again, like the Saxon units, just lesser versions of the above troops – elite warriors sworn to a powerful nobleman and armed and equipped from his pocket.

Household Troops: Footmen raised and equipped from the pockets of the powerful nobles and kings of the Franks. After they captured Soissons the Franks had access to Roman arms factories and could equip their men better than most Germans. Chainmail, shields, spears, helms and throwing axes. Sturdy heavy infantry.

Foederati: Frankish warriors who have served in the Roman army, equipped in a slightly Roman style. Chainmail, angons, helms, swords and shields. Very good attackers who throw their angons before charging.

Frankish Warriors: Tribal warriors, unarmoured but armed with shields, spears and throwing axes. A fierce barbarian levy, not organised or with great morale, but fairly nasty on the offensive.

Frankish Freemen: Poor tribesmen who have few weapons – perhaps they could be two units, one with bows and one with javelins. Certainly the Franks were hunters and trappers, and could have equipped a fair bundle of bowmen.

To see better what we need in terms of cities for each provinces, this is a list (have a look at the other one to see if all names are correct) of the provinces who need a capital :

BRITAIN, Pictland :
- Cat - ?
- Fidach - ?
- Ce - ?
- Circind - ?
- Fotla - ?
- Fortiu - ?
- Fib - ?
- Orkney - ?

BRITAIN, Saxons :
- Regia - ?
- Sussex - ?
- Wessex - ?
- Kent (Juts) - Canterbury
- Tanet Island (Juts) - ?
- Essex - Colchester
- Colun?

BRITAIN, Angles :
- Anglia - ?
- Fens - ?
- Mercia - ?
- Lindsey - ?
- Deira - ?

names with * are in Latin, I'd rather like celtic names if possible.

I have found some names for the Franks :
- Anstrustions : the elite of the Frankish armies, that form the personnal gard of the king, it correspond to your king's warband ~D
- Nutriti 'the feed' : young nobles that are feed and trained at the king's court.
- Scara : mean 'army'.

Some images at :
http://clionide.free.fr/Pouvoir_fonctions.htm

http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/games/ar...72EarlyFranks/

I have take a look at a few sites on the Frankish history and I think we have to decide one thing.

If we want historical accurancy for the Franks, we have to extend the map eastward and southward and add others factions like :
- The Wisigoths (or the Aquitains who replace them later) who control Aquitaine, Provence (and also Spain but it's a bit too south).
- The Burgondi who own east Gaul
- The Alemani who control actual Alsace
- eventually the Kingdom of Syagrius, who was one of the last Roman in Gaul, but beaten by Clovis in 486...

otherwise the Franks, thought staying playable, will be essentially an adversary for the continental Britons, thought Clovis allowed them to install in West Armorica in 495, Franks and Bretons became ennemis around 550.

The most common Gaelic mercenaries were Gasraidha (literally 'Rabble'); they were generally criminals who had been kicked out of their tribes. They would be ill-equipped, unreliable, but available in large number for very little; they'd also actually be found more outside of Ireland than inside. While criminals were hired sometime in a pinch, most of the time law-abiding Gaels were more than happy to just kill them, so they usually took foreign employment. There were also Babuanna ('Paid Fighters'), who were professional mercenaries; they would be much better equipped and trained, and far less likely to flee, but also more rare, and more common in Ireland than outside of Ireland. The average Celtic mercenary, in general, was a criminal, though professional bands had existed as long as anyone is writing about the Celts (such as the iron age Gaesatae of Gaul; they were professional mercenaries). However, criminals were the most common. Celtic law expelled criminals from their tribes, so they had to seek employment doing anything they could to ensure they could eat. Many of them, sometimes even MOST of them, sought employment as mercenaries. Celtic pirates were also mercenaries often, but piracy was a usual part of a Celtic war, so pirates weren't viewed as criminals (unless they were performing criminal acts to the kingdom that is supposed to be supporting them).

I was thinking about a big problem for the game : the potentiel strengh of the Domnonian faction.
They will own Domnonia, Durotrigia, Kernyw, Glastenning, Baddan, Ynis Weith, Gloui, Gwinntguic, Ceri, Celomion and Lundein in South Britain, plus eventually Gwent, Glywising, Ergyng and Dyfed in Wales ; and on the continent Brittany.

So I plan to : make Gwent as a playable faction and share Brittany between one or two Briton factions, by giving per example Cornouailles to the Gwent, plus make east territories of Domnonia difficult to defend when facing the Saxons.

Would you want Dyfed as another faction ? Hoping that we will have 21 factions slots (or more) in BI...

Finally I think we have to keep Wisigoths/Aquitaine as a faction, and so extend the map a little southward... the Burgondi, Alemani, Frisons and Syagrius Kindgom will be rebels (maybe with important armies, otherwise the Francs will be too powerful quickly). After all the mod is called 'Arthurian : Total War' ; not 'Clovis : Total War' ~D

We can also begin to think of what symbols each faction will have.

Ok, I have done a lot of search this day and completed the list of Britons cities. See https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...8&postcount=43 for the list.

Finally (I know I am discussing with myself for a longtime ~D ) we will keep the actual solution for the continent, featuring Britons, Franks and Wisigoths/Aquitains.
I have add Dyfed and Gwent to the faction list, Dyfed will own Cornouailles in Brittany, Domnonia will own Domnonée and Gwent will own Bro-Erec.
Franks and Wisigoths will stay playable but only a part of Gaul will be available in the map, so this two factions are only a challenge for the continental Britons, we have to keep in mind that this mod is focused on Britain... except if BI allow us to put more than 21 factions ingame but it is not even sure that there will be 21 factions slots remaining in BI (know that sucks, but there is a lot of interesting features in BI indead).

An updtated unit list, I have put the descriptions within ~:)

UNIT LIST
* Here we have to find others ideas, and to change generic names and standart unit 'heavy spearmen', an others, by more historical ones.
* I also need ideas for regional units (like Domnonian cavalry or Llydaw Blackshields)
* I added some images (mainly from DBA and Osprey) to some units. There are only here to show you an idea of those units, you can post some if you had.
Pictures will be remplaced by screenshots when the skins will be done.

BRITONS UNITS : (Agraes, Ranika, Trashaholic & Ian)
Cavalry :

https://img364.imageshack.us/img364/...chomawr0qp.jpg
Marchomawr (Heavy cavalry)
Britons were well known in the dark ages for their cavalry. In the poem 'y Gododdin', by the bard Aneurin, 300 British horsemen fought Angle invaders at Cathraeth in the kingdom of Gododdin and only one returned, Aneurin himself. The Machromawr are made up of men from the richest warrior households who can afford a good horse, a spatha, a round shield, a spangelhelm and chain mail or scale armour. These well armoured powerful horsemen make a formidable opponent, but must be commanded correctly to be truly devestating in battle.
(Very expensive, strong charge, good attack, good defense, small unit, sword or/and spear, scale or chain mail armor, spangelhem, red cloack, round shield).

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Marca Contwn (Contus cavalry)
The Romans, who occupied Britain before the Aurthurian period, recuited soldiers from all over their empire. Part of the Roman garrison in Britain was from Sarmatia whose heavy cavalry was of a very high quality. Some historians theorise that Aurthur and his kinghts were actually Sarmatian horse-warriors themselves. The naturally skilled horsemen of the Sarmatian steppes heavily influenced British cavalry, inspiring some soldiers to fight as an almost Carbon-copy of them. They had a long lance-like spear, the 'Contus', which, due to its length, meant they wore their sheilds on their backs. They were also wore heavy scale armour, and so were a very effective heavy shock cavalry.

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Marchogluoedd (Light cavalry)
Britain's wide variety of landscapes meant certain kingdoms, where the land was flatter and more horse-friendly, employed very cavalry oriented armies; the Marchogluoedd were the fast agile scouts of these armies. Riding the fastest horses their land could muster, these lightly armed and lightly armoured warriors would rush ahead of the main host peppering the enemies with javelins and making careful observations and reporting enemy positions to their commanders. These scouts wore no armour and carried no weapons apart from their javelins, which could of course act as improvised spears, as such they sould be kept as far away from combat as possible.

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Marca Dumonyna (Domnonia cavalry)
need to control Domnonia
The wealth, fertile soil and landscape of Dumnonia (modernday Devon, South West England) allowed the locals to breed horses that weren't just beasts of burden; they bred powerful warhorses and became renowned for their horsemanship in the field of battle. Dumnonia is supposedly the setting for Camelot and their cavalry no doubt inspiring the legends of Arthur and his knights (some even claim that Arthur was a Dumnonian warlord). The Marca Dumonyna wore chain mail (or scale) and red cloaks and carried a spear, a sword, a round shield and a spangelhelm; they can only be recruited in Dumnonia.

Marca Llydaw (Llydaw cavalry) (need to control Brittany)
The Britons in Brittany, or Llydaw as it was also known, were famed horsemen and recruited powerful cavalry that were pivotal in the numerous Breton victories over the Franks. The warriors of Llydaw were known for their distinctive black shields and their cavalry for their destructive hit and run javelin attacks. The Llydaw cavalry wore white cloaks and equipped their famous black round shield as well as javelins and a sword, unfortunately for any budding emporer they could only be recruited in Brittany, meaning they must be conquered and subdued before joining any foreign nation's army, a tough task indeed.
Spangelhem, white cloack, black round shield, javelins, sword.

Teulu
Literally meaning “family”, the Teulu were the professional noble bodyguards of individual princes and chieftains. Although cavalry are generally not best suited to the rough hilly and mountainous terrain of Britain, the Teulu often rode into battle. Being of the nobility, the Teulu could afford the best of military equipment and were very well armed by Celtic standards: they wore chain or scale mail and helmets, and carried a shield and a lance, making them a pivotal force on the battlefield.

Strong charge
Very good Attack
Good Morale
Armoured
(Should be pretty expensive)

Infrantry :

Rherel (Heavy spearmen)

Gwaywffynabwre (clan spearmen)

Bonheddwyr
The Bonheddwyr were free nobles, the elite foot soldiers of a Chieftain’s armies. Before a battle these champions would often walk forward in front of their army insulting, taunting and challenging their opposition (much to the amusement of their fellows), and be accompanied by shouting and jeering from the lower ranking men, and the din of their war trumpets. The Bonheddwr were lightly armoured, and the individual carried a spear, a small round shield and several javelins into battle.

40 man unit
fast
strong charge
very good attack
good defence
armoured
good morale

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Rhyfelwyrmawr
"Great Warriors"

Aeson Llydaw (Llydaw Blackshields)
need to control Brittany
The Brythonic nations were renowned for the ferocity and skill of their warriors, and the British exiles in Brittany, or Lldaw as it was also known, were no exception. Breton use of a combination of mobile cavalry and powerful infantry, such as the Aeson Llydaw, provided them with numerous victories over enemies like the Franks. Like their hore riding counterparts they equipped round black sheilds and a variety of weapons, and like them could only be recruited in Brittany itself.


Bêrfelawre Merionydd (Merionydd long spearmen)
The spear was the weapon of choice in Wales, with those from the North being particularly skilled in its use. The men of the Merionydd area of Gwynedd were renowned throughout for their superb ability with the spear. The general consensus amongst the Welsh was: “the longer the spear the better”, and as such the men of Merionydd carried spears as long as pikes. As well as their pikes, they had small round shields and fought in Phalanx-like formations.

60 man unit (best in deep formations etc.),
fast,
good defence
weak attack,
no armour
only available in Gwynydd

Arwrweision
Literally mean ‘brave men’, the Arwrweision are the veterans of numerous battles, they are the non-noble elite of a British Chieftain’s army. It was considered an honour amongst Britons to be drafted into military service, so all able-bodied men had a weapon and were up for a fight. Carrying similar equipment to their fellow peasants, swords, bows and shields, the defining characteristic of the Arwrweision is that, although they share their comrade’s eagerness for battle, they don’t share their eagerness to run away.

60 man unit
fast
strong charge
good attack
no armour
very good morale

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Aulue (Town Militia)
It was a legal obligation for all men over a certain age to fight when required in Briton kingdoms, indeed most, if not all, saw it as a great privilage and were eager for battle. Many kept their own weapons so men could be rapidly form militia units (or Aulue) when their kingdom needed their service. They often fought surprisingly well, but were quick to turn tail and run if things were going badly. Briton militia units were neither well nor badly equipped and could hold their own in a fight, but a wise commander will note their limitations and not commit them against heavily armed elite troops.

Galweddyl Aulue (Gaelic levies)
need to control Dyfed, Ceredigion, Ynis Mona, Ireland or Gwynedd

Cleddyfcludwra (Sword carriers)

Milwre
'Soldiers'

Bêrfelawre (Long spearmen)
The Britons were particularly proficient in the use of the spear and those who were particularly skilled generally preferred spears of the longer variety. The tactics of these soldiers were similar to the phalanxes of Macedonia or the pike regiments of the Renaissance, tactics very effective against cavalry. The Bêrfelawre were generally part-time soldiers and due to the cumbersome nature of their weapons, their equipment was fairly basic: light armour, if any at all, and a small round shield.

Campwyrau (Champions)

Rherel Manau (Heavy Manx Spearmen)
The Isle of Man is a tiny Island that lies in a Strategic position in the middle of the Irish Sea, therefore All manner of peoples look at it with hunger. This could be seen as a downfall or a reason to flee yet Mannanan and his heirs re-worked the army, producing armoured spearmen to fend off the raiders that come from Ireland, Rheged and and Gwynedd.
These men are perfectly equipped to fight in the hills of Mann. Disciplined, well armoured yet agile, the Manx Spearmen make a living out of fighting for their existence. They are recruited from the nobles or families with enought money to buy the Chainmail and heavy spears they take into battle.


Bowmen and skirmishers :

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Saethwre (bowmen)

Rhyfelwyr
"Warrior"
Constant in fighting between the petty kingdoms of post-Roman Britain and skirmishes with the English led to the Britons becoming accustomed to war, they became a “jack of all trades”, perfectly suited to irregular warfare. Carrying a powerful bow, that could pin a horseman’s leg to his horse, a large sword and a small round shield, the prominent tactics of the Britons were to ambush the enemy, pepper them with arrows and then charge in for the kill.

60 man unit
fast
strong charge
good attack
no armour
poor morale

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Ardu (Levies)

Fwnmilwre (Slingers)
The sling is one of the oldest and simplest weapons there is and was a favourite of the pre-Roman Britons. In the times of Arthur the bow was becoming more popular, but due to the simplicity of its construction and use, and the huge availability of ammunition, the sling was still widely used. In many ways a sling could out perform a bow and commanders would be foolish to ingore their usefullness on the battlefield. Other than their slings, the fwnmilwre (slingers) were lightly armed and would not last long in close combat.

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Helwyr
"Huntsmen"
The Welsh people were keen huntsmen and used the hunt to practice the skills needed in battle. There are numerous Welsh stories and poems linked with their passion for hunting, most notably the tale of Prince Llewelyn and his greyhound Gellert. To be a good huntsman meant a men could command a powerful role in the royal courts and society in general, and could become very rich. The Helwyr equipped powerful bows, enabling them to kill the toughest of quarry, but very little close combat weaponry, thus should be kept out of melees.

60 man unit
Very Fast
Very good missile attack/ very accurate
Poor in close combat
Skirmishers
No armour

IRISH UNITS (Ranika) :

Cavalry :

Guirran
(Horsemen with javelins, and an axe/spear in melee, large round shield, leather helmet, padded coat (Irish), leather coat (Scots)) -
Description - Gaelic light cavalry sticks to the common methods of Gaelic combat. They are skirmishers by default, meant to ride toward an opponent, throw javelins, and retreat, ad infinitum. Training and experience has made them fairly good at this, and the Guirran (horsemen), later called hobblers or hobilars, became a staple of English and French armies as well.

Amguirran Deaisbard
(Gaelic heavy cavalry with axes/swords, and lance, large-ring chain armor, large round shield, iron conical helmet, should be a bit late period) -
Description - Champions in Gaelic culture are afforded some of the best weapons and equipment. The Deaisbard are the Gaelic equivalent of 'knights'; they have a patron who provides them with equipment, training, and gifts for performing well. On horseback, they form the Amguirran (heavy horsemen); Gaels don't tend to use much heavy cavalry, but when they do, they form a powerful reserve on the field for mowing down enemy infantry.

Carpata -
Gaelic chariot; chariot models don't count (they are counted with siege engines), but it'd probably need a new model for the driver. Would probably look similar to a British Wetwang chariot in shape, but less decoration than you see on reconstructions; riders would be Sleanaghta or similar infantry, maybe even just use them, in which case no new model would be needed at all; would raise allied morale
Description - The Gaels still used chariots in this period. They were in rapid decline in use, and had rarely been much of a weapon for war outside of a few regions, where the ground was smooth and flat enough to make good use of them, but they were still a popularized possession, and it was rare for aristocrats to not own at least one chariot for formal events. In war, they were used to drop nobles off into the middle of the fight (which can't be replicated in game), and as a missile platform from which the riders would hurl javelins, and also to crush light infantry by riding over them with the chariot's substantial weight.

Infantry :

Kernbannal
('Levy Troop'; unarmored club or spear militia with darts, fight as skirmishers)-
Description - The hierarchy of Gaelic societies is a bit unusual; it lacks feudal nobles and the subsequent varying ranks of nobles and peasants. However, Kerns tend to fall near the bottom. Without much money or inherent fighting ability, they cannot afford good equipment, nor are they likely to be sponsored by an arras (aristocrat). However, that matters little. Most of the time, a kern is just a man called up to form a militia in times of strife, and fight with whatever is on hand; usually hunting spears or solid clubs, accompanied by light, small javelins, often called darts. Later, kerns would become the basic soldier of Irish armies, but in this period are only militia.

Sleanaghta
(Spearmen with heavy throwing spears, large round shield, leather helmet, and padded coat (Irish)/leather vest/coat (Dal Riadans)) -
Description - The slea or gae (spear) is the preferred weapon of most Gaelic soldiers. Accompanied with heavy throwing spears and a solid Gaelic targe, these spearmen form the backbone of any Gaelic army. They are professional soldiers, who either bought their equipment, or were sponsored by a wealthier member of society. They are intended to hold positions, and are often placed around missile troops to defend them from cavalry and any other threats that might occur.

Tuanaghta
(Axemen with heavy throwing spears, large round shield, leather helmet, and padded coat (Irish)/leather coat (Dal Riadans)) -
Description - The tua (axe) is one of the oldest and most favored weapons of the Gaels. The Gaelic axe has a particularly weighty head, meant to crush helmets and smash shields. With it, like most Gaels carry, are carried two heavy throwing spears, thrown into an enemy position before a charge. The Gaelic axemen act as a kind of bridge between medium and heavy infantry.

Claiomhnaghta
(Mid-length swordsmen with javelins, large round shield, leather helmet, padded coat (Irish), leather coat (Dal Riadans)) -
Description - The claiomh, climh, or clom (sword) is an expensive weapon, but generally well made. Faster than an axe, and generally more wieldy than a spear, it allows the soldier using it to manuever into position for thrusts and slashes. The typical Gaelic sword is shorter than a longsword, but not a shortsword. It generally has a leaf-shaped blade, meant to offer wide, sheering cuts, and devestating thrusts that open wide, gaping wounds. It is accompanied with a heavy Gaelic targe, and three light throwing spears; these spears are favored for swordsmen, so to enhance the mobility of these soldiers, but keep them able to fight in the traditional Gaelic manner.

Gaemornaghta
(Spearmen with long, two-handed spears (not actually pikes though), maybe use phalanx, or schiltron, leather helmet, padded coat (Irish), leather coat (Dal Riadans)) -
Description - The Gaemor or Gaemhor (great spear) is a lengthy spear generally used in two hands. It is used in a tight formation as an anti-cavalry and anti-infantry measure; it is difficult to manuever past a wall of spear heads. While in use for centuries, this type of soldier grew increasingly more common among the Gaels as the dark ages and middle ages drove on; a response to the growing importance of cavalrymen.

Deaisbard
(Gaelic heavy infantry with axes, large-ring chain armor, large round shield, iron conical helmet, throwing spears) -
Description - Champions in Gaelic culture are afforded some of the best weapons and equipment. The Deaisbard are the Gaelic equivalent of 'knights'; they have a patron who provides them with equipment, training, and gifts for performing well. On foot, they form heavy infantry soldiers, with throwing spears, like most other Gaelic infantry, to disrupt an enemy line before charging. When defending, they use a tight shieldwall, to absorb charges.

Arras
(Gaelic general unit, foot nobles with swords, scale armor, large round shield, iron conical helmet, javelins) -
Description - Gaelic 'nobility' are drawn from numerous places; everyone from the lowest chief to the high king are considered Arras, as well as indepedent, wealthy merchants and traders. They can afford the best training, the best equipment, and the best soldiers to support them. Like other Gaels, they carry javelins to throw at their enemies before charging, and form a tight shieldwall-like formation to absorb an attack. They use long slashing and thrusting swords, which are fairly rare among Gaels. The heavy Gaelic targe, good quality scale armor, and a well-made iron helmet, provide them great protection against their enemies.

Rastriagha
(Berserkers, use a cudgel or hammer, round shield, probably wearing a crucifix (they were fanatics of different saint cults, and also generally trained soldiers), no armor) -
Description - The Gaels have their own berserker tradition, stemming from pagan times, but adapted well into the Christian era. The Irish are generally very fervent people; the most fervent soldiers tend to belong to saint cults, such as the cult of St. Finbar. Their devotion to their people and the Church keeps them constantly training. Many even join monastaries and are actually monks or priests. In battle, they enter a kind of religious-inspired frenzy, and kill anyone they see as a threat to Ireland or Christianity.

Inishnaghta
(Irish islanders from the satellite islands of Ireland, with heavy cloaks, no armor, large round shield, bipenne axe (two blades), heavy throwing spears, leather helmet, painted skin regardless of faction, Ui Neill and Mumainh only; available in the western provinces of Ireland only) -
Description - The islanders of Ireland live among the many sattelite islands. They fight with a version of the Gaelic axe, with two blades, and carry heavy throwing spears. They still paint their skin, and are some of the bravest soldiers in Ireland, though they wear no armor, but a helmet, and instead use a heavy cloak as defense.

Caeisornaghta
(Gaelic macemen, with a round-headed mace {not flanged, like medieval period mace} or modified work hammer, round shield, throwing spears, leather helmet, padded armor) -
Description - The mace is an old, simple weapon. While popularized widely in Europe by the advent of plate armor, Gaels, the Irish particularly, have used the mace for centuries, with a smooth spherical or egg-shaped head, or a hammer head. They are another arm of Gaelic infantry, and fight like axe or spearmen, with heavy spears thrown before a charge. The mace is essentially a glorified club, but it is very effective against most types of armor and any shield.

Dinuadda-Claiomhnaghta
(Irish longswordsmen; using longsword in two-hands though (not a greatsword), padded armor, iron helmet, available in southern Ireland) -
Description - Southern Irish longswords sometimes accomodated longer grips, meant to be used in two hands. Longswords were somewhat rare in Ireland to begin with, and these particular weapons rarely proliferated far, but they were a favored weapon of numerous champions and wealthier soldiers, as they could be used in one or two hands. In two hands, they would be able to deal more damage.


Ruardi-Laecha
Ui Neill only, elite.
Ruardi-Laecha (Red Warriors). They used longswords, round shields, javelins, wore chain armor, painted their faces with red dyes, and wore a red under-tunic, and fought as a type of elite warrior, on foot and on horseback, but were pretty rare.

Audheran-Laecha
Dal Riada only, elite.
Audheran-Laecha were elite spearmen, fought unarmored, covered themselves in a kind of white powder, and mostly relied on agility in combat.

Corcanneitae
Mumainha only, elite
Corcanneitae were used by the men of Munster; they were 'naked fanatics', essentially. Would have an axe, shield, cloak, otherwise be naked.

Bowmen and skirmishers :

Soikernbannal
('Levy Archer Troop'; only Gaelic archers they would have, levy archers with knives, hooded cloaks, hide in tall grass, but not really much good) -
Description - Gaels rarely employ professional archers as soldiers, except mercenaries. They, personally, see little value in archers. However, when they do employ their own, they tend to be simple levies of hunters, who, while proficient with their bows, are not soldiers, and easily chased off of a battlefield if engaged not properly defended, or if engaged in a melee.

Maiobhanaghta
(Gaelic slingers with knives and a small round shield, padded armor, leather helmet, better than their archers, and slings are substantially longer range than a normal bow) -
Description - The sling is still a popular weapon among the Gaels. It is far longer range than a regular bow, and a sling bullet of clay or stone is surprisingly deadly. Slingers in use by the Gaelic often are used to harass an enemy from great distance. Further, they are professional soldiers, not levies like Gaelic archers.

PICTISH UNITS : (Spongly & Ranika)

Cavalry :

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Marchan
Picts were very proud of their horses, though only the rich could afford one, and were excellent cavalrymen. These men form the retinues of the minor nobles and are a versatile force in battle, able to harass the enemy with their javelins before closing in to fight hand to hand.

(Light cavalry, unarmoured with round bucklers, javelins and spears.)

Marchan Tho
Horsemen armed with axes.

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Mormaers
Though never shown in Pictish art, it is probable that the kings and mormaers (high nobles) went into battle armoured and heavily armed. These men form the bodyguards of royalty and the rulers of the land, and fight as heavily armoured shock cavalry.

(Heavy cavalry, mailed with round bucklers, javelins and spears or swords.)

Infantry :

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Ludodaoer
The sons of wealthy freeholders and minor nobles, Pictish swordsmen are fast and skilful. They are not great defensive troops, as they lack armour or large shields, but they are deadly with their bucklers and short swords when used to attack in open order, and especially when closely supported by the spears of the poorer freemen. They can also be used as effective ambushers, being good at hiding and fast runners.

(Light infantry, unarmoured with “H” shaped bucklers, short swords and posher tunics than the above unit.)

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Schiltron
Drawn from the ranks of freemen, farmers and other common folk, the Pictish schiltron would form a formidable wall of spears on the battlefield. They used long spears, shields slung over their shoulders, but went otherwise unarmoured. They fought in a phalanx, and while not elite professionals can be counted upon to give a good account of themselves.

(Heavy infantry, unarmoured, with round shields slung over their shoulders and long two-handed spears)

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Gairlom (spearmen)
'Those who carry spears'
A basic spearmen unit.

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Chodaoer
Some freemen fight in less of a tight formation than the schiltron, wielding short Pictish axes and bucklers. They are fierce, but they do not have the morale of professional troops. They are fast, good at hiding, and make excellent raiders. They are not so good at defending themselves or holding a line though.

(Light infantry, unarmoured with “H” shaped bucklers, javelins and “T-Bar” axes.)

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Northern Warriors
The northern Picts remained pagan for many years longer than their southern cousins, and may have retained somewhat different traditions. They are usually shown with shorter spears, and it may be that the rought terrain of Caithness and Orkney forbids the use of the formidable schiltron, encouraging these ferocious warriors to use looser formations.

(Light infantry, long fringed robes, square bucklers, javelins and spears.)

Thomordaoer (Two handed axemen)
An axeman armed with a two-handed axe (attested slightly by the (possibly fake) carving of the Rhynie man.).

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Aumue Boai
('Naked Warriors', this is their name according Saint Columba)
Those warriors will fight naked, with sword and shield. They will be very fast, with a strong attack and a strong charge and like others picts infantry units can hide everywhere.

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Gai Aurmahr ('Spear Masters')
Those elite warrriors will fight with spear.

Bowmen and skirmishers :

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Huntsmen
The Picts were very fond of hunting, and it is possible that units of huntsmen would have been drawn up and used to ambush important enemies in battle. These men are fast, lightly equipped, superb at hiding in almost any terrain and very accurate. They may have used a form of crossbow (the arcuballista of the Romans), though this would not have been the armour-piercing weapon of the middle ages but an accurate hunting bow.

(Light infantry, hooded mantle, arcuballista.)

Youths
Men too young to fight in the schiltron stand at the back and support their elders with a hail of javelins. They carry shields and can fight with their short spears if pressed, but they are relatively weak and their morale is brittle. They are fast runners though, and make good ambushers.

(Light infantry, unarmoured with round bucklers and a bundle of javelins. Fight in hand to hand with a short spear.)

Cingalom (slingers)
The sling is an universal weapon, Picts should use it.

Saiogdaoer (bowmen)
Those will be elite skirmisher in a small unit.

WISIGOTHS UNITS :
Mmm no real idea for the moment.

FRANKS UNITS : (Spongly & Agraes)

Cavalry :

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Anstrustions (King’s Warband)
Clovis or any of his sons/brothers would probably command a bodyguard of heavy cavalry, armoured in chainmail with shields, helms, spears and swords.

Count’s Warband
Elite warriors sworn to a powerful nobleman and armed and equipped from his pocket.

Infantry :

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Household Troops
Footmen raised and equipped from the pockets of the powerful nobles and kings of the Franks. After they captured Soissons the Franks had access to Roman arms factories and could equip their men better than most Germans. Chainmail, shields, spears, helms and throwing axes. Sturdy heavy infantry.

Foederati
Frankish warriors who have served in the Roman army, equipped in a slightly Roman style. Chainmail, angons, helms, swords and shields. Very good attackers who throw their angons before charging.

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Frankish Warriors
Tribal warriors, unarmoured but armed with shields, spears and throwing axes. A fierce barbarian levy, not organised or with great morale, but fairly nasty on the offensive.

Skirmishers :

Frankish Freemen
Poor tribesmen who have few weapons – perhaps they could be two units, one with bows and one with javelins. Certainly the Franks were hunters and trappers, and could have equipped a fair bundle of bowmen.

SAXONS/ANGLES UNITS : (Spongly)
All Saxon units should wear simple trousers with the legs below the knees bound tight with puttees.

Cavalry :

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Cnihtas
"Mounted Retainers"
Saxon nobles rode to battle, but dismounted to fight. There is good evidence though that they would remount to pursue the enemy. Because this is impossible in RTW, it may be worth having a cavalry unit available to the Saxons. These men are nobles, but cannot really be expected to do much fighting from horseback. They should only be used for harrying the flanks or pursuing fleeing enemies.

(Light Cavalry with richly edged tunics, painted roundshields, spears.)

Horswealas
Britons Horsemen recruited to fight for the Saxons. They had a higher Wergild than other Welshman living on Saxon land.

Infrantry :

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Gesithas
"Companions"
These are the elite forces of the great Saxon kings and athelings. Handpicked young warriors given the very best equipment and fed from the lord’s table. They swear the mead-bargain with their lord, giving loyalty to the death in return for mead, wealth and land. It is considered the greatest disgrace to live if your lord dies, and such men will be condemned to live as exiles. As a result, these units have exceptional morale, and will fight to the death rather than retreat unless their lord orders it.

(Heavy infantry with spears, shields, swords, mail shirts and helms, all decorated to mark them out from lesser units -> Decorated helms and roundshields, spears, decorated swords, mail shirts. Richly edged tunics.)

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Heorthgeneats
"Hearth-Friends"
This unit represents the hearth-troops of the eorldermen of the land – these nobles are usually chosen from the veterans of the king’s gesithas, and administer land and raise their own warbands. While not as well equipped or skilled as the king’s warriors, these men swear the same oaths to their own lords. They form an elite core of Saxon armies.

(Heavy infantry with spears, shields, swords, some armour and helms. Noble, but not as spectacular looking as above -> Iron helms, painted round shields, short mail shirts, spears, plain swords, richly edged tunics.)

Duguth
"Older Warriors"
Thegns are the lowest rank of landholding noble in Saxon society, and are usually either born into the role or chosen from their earl’s warband. They raise their own retinues of warriors, and bring them to battle when their lord calls. These men represent the older veterans of such a warband. They are not all that well equipped or fast, but they are stubborn and excellent at holding the line.

(Heavy infantry with spears, shields, lang-seaxes and helms -> Iron helms, painted round shields, spears, plain swords, leather jerkin, edged tunics.)

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Geoguth
"Younger Warriors"
These men are the younger, unmarried warriors of the warbands of the land’s thegns. They are fierce and aggressive, hoping to make a name for themselves and win great rewards from their lord. What they lack in experience, they make up for in enthusiasm. They throw their javelins before engaging the enemy in hand to hand combat.

(Light infantry with painted round shields, spears, seaxes, javelins, edged tunics.)

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Ceorls
"Peasants"
Ceorls are the ordinary freemen and farmers of Saxon society. They are only very rarely called up to fight, usually only in times of emergency. They are all trained to some degree, as all Saxon freemen own and practice with weapons, but they cannot be expected to hold professional troops for long. They are at their best when standing in a shield wall adding weight to more experienced troops or outflanking the enemy.

(Light Infantry with plain round shields, plain tunics, spears, seaxes, Phrygian caps.)

Wulfbyrne
"Wolf-shirts"
Since the early days of the German tribes right through to the Viking age, the northern peoples have a tradition of fanatical warriors dedicated to Woden, the god of war and slaughter. These men are utter fanatics who believe themselves invulnerable to weapons, and run into battle wearing only the pelts of wolves. They are impetuous, ferocious and almost unequalled warriors, but there are only a few of them to be mustered. They are best used for breaking enemy shield walls so that other units can pour in behind them.

(Light infantry with bare chested, wolf skins worn as cloaks with the head as a “hood”, painted roundshields, plain swords, battle axes)

Wræccan
"Wanderers"
The Dark Ages are troubled times, and many bands of freebooters, pirates and outcasts from the Germanic tribes can be found across Europe looking for nobles to serve. Saxon kings frequently employ such bands – indeed, the king’s of the Gewissae began as leaders of such freebooting bands. They are savage, having nothing to lose, and experienced, but are treacherous and difficult to control.

(Light Infantry with painted roundshields, spears, fur or leather jerkin, plain swords, plain tunics, javelins. )

Skirmishers :

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Geburs
"Serfs"
Poorer freemen are mustered for battle with whatever poor weapons they have. Usually they are employed as unarmoured skirmishers, using slings. Some may also carry javelins or staff slings (possibility for more units). They are fast runners, and most live as hunters or fishermen so are quite good at using the terrain to their advantage. Their morale is fragile though, and they cannot be expected to fight hand to hand – that is work for men of noble birth!

(Light infantry with tatty tunics, perhaps bare legged and footed, javelins or slings, no shields, seaxes, Phrygian caps.)

Others :

War Hounds*

MERCENARY/REBELS UNITS : (Ranika, Spongly, Agraes)

Frison Pirats*

Juts Warriors*

Wræccan
(Anglo-Saxon)
The Dark Ages are troubled times, and many bands of freebooters, pirates and outcasts from the Germanic tribes can be found across Europe looking for nobles to serve. Saxon kings frequently employ such bands – indeed, the king’s of the Gewissae began as leaders of such freebooting bands. They are savage, having nothing to lose, and experienced, but are treacherous and difficult to control.

(Light Infantry with shields, swords, helms and javelins)

Gasraidha
(Irish)
Gasraidha (litteraly 'rabble') were generally criminals who had been kicked out of their tribes. They would be ill-equipped, unreliable, but available in large number for very little; they'd also actually be found more outside of Ireland than inside. While criminals were hired sometime in a pinch, most of the time law-abiding Gaels were more than happy to just kill them, so they usually took foreign employment.

Babuanna
(Irish)
Babuanna ('Paid Fighters') were professional mercenaries; they would be much better equipped and trained, and far less likely to flee, but also more rare, and more common in Ireland than outside of Ireland.

Horswealas
(Briton/Saxon)
Britons Horsemen recruited to fight for the Saxons. They had a higher Wergild than other Welshman living on Saxon land.

Here some suggestions for factions symbols :

FACTIONS SYMBOLS
BRITONS (Christian)
- Domnonia -> Red Dragon or Black Bear (in reference to Arthur)
- Rheged -> A Boar
- Powys -> An Eagle
- Gwynedd -> a War Dog (in reference to Maelgwn, 'Great Hound')
- Gododdin -> a Black Raven
- Strathclyde -> a Griffon
- Ebrauc -> a Late Roman Symbol, like this
http://truth-about-jesus.johreiki.net/chi-rho.jpg
- Elmet -> A Horse (in reference to Gwallawc Marchawc Trin, the 'Battle Horse')
- Ynis Manaw & Galwyddel -> Manx flag, in a more archaistic version (without plate armor ~D )
http://fp.fullfathom.f9.co.uk/images/manx%20flag.jpg
- Gwent & Glywysing -> A Bull
- Dyfed -> A Triskell

IRISH (Christian)
- Ui Neill
- Mumainha
- Dal Riada

PICTS
- Picts -> A Pictish symbol, maybe like this one :
http://www.electricscotland.com/ston.../ddoublzed.gif

GERMANS
- Saxons (Pagans) ->
- Angles (Pagans) -> Odin's Knot
- Juts (Pagans) -> White Horse on Green Background (emblem of Ceint)
- Franks (Christians during the reign of Clovis)
- Wisigoths (Aryans Christians)

The Saxons could have the dragon of Wessex as their banner, and the Jutes should have a white horse on a green field - the banner of Hengest's kingdom of Ceint.

Ok, I have update my previous message ~:)

Spongly, can you give me cities names for the Germanic provinces (I don't know if all exist in 480, correct me) ? Also for the Pictish if you know somes (thought we can't find all for the Picts, we will use the suffix -ichean like Ranika tell me to do).

I have just made a map showing the territories of each faction (Britons and Saxons for the moment). I know it is very bad quality, I will made a better one later ~D

https://img316.imageshack.us/img316/...ms040ft.th.png