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So it was fine for the IRA to shoot, bomb, kneecap and rob as long as it doesn't affect Americans or France...but only the British?Quote:
Again a very poor example. The IRA have no interest in spready christianity around the world. Their whole bag is about Ireland alone. No one in the US or France is worried about the IRA.
Sheer hypocrisy
There terrorist acts are not okay at all, but they are much toned down from the islamic extremist.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Well it was vaguely interesting until:
At which point it became clear that it was another pointless foray from bible bashers. Yawn.. go back to the 14th century - someone there might actually listen.Quote:
and specifically in this case, the Christian one. Steyn is right when he says that Europe’s decline is directly linked to its hostility towards Christianity
Really!!!!....tell that to a certain Mr. Parry who's 12 year old son was blown into little pieces by an IRA bomb hidden in a rubbish bin as he walked past. How can it possibly make any difference if the bullet lodged in your skull was fired by a Finian or a Moslem. ALL terrorism is evil.Quote:
There terrorist acts are not okay at all, but they are much toned down from the islamic extremist.
Perhaps if those deluded Americans who 'supported' those foul nasty people known as 'freedom fighters' had stopped and thought for a minute then maybe, just maybe there would be more people alive today. The hypocrisy is in this so called 'war on terror'....errr...excuse me, we (UK) have been fighting this very war for over 40 years, but it wasn't until America was attacked that it became a global issue....like I said....sheer hypocrisy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/low/...00/2544121.stm :thumbsdown:
Gawain, please do not have the impression that we Europeans do not listen to your warnings. I changed my life completely. I will have a new baby in August - the second in 19 months! If I continue there will be a huge increase in population soon. ~:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Some other comments:
Population increase and decrease effects the culture and the property of a nation. None is only positive none is only negative. The big increase of population in the 19th century was one root for the two WWs.
The baby boom in the 60ies gave us econominal growth. But as I am part of it I have to say that it has some draw backs as well.
Today's situation gives some disadvanteges, but some advantages as well. In the long run, what would be so bad if the world had only half as much Germans as it has today? As long as we win the football championship ~:)
Regarding the muslims and other immigrants in Europe. This is a very complex story. It varies from country to country. In Germany most of the immigrants are Turkish, many of them in the 3rd generation. Many of them are well integrated and have a German kind of lifestyle. Many gained property, have houses or stores. But many others are still not integrated. They hardly speak any German, have low education and high unemployment. Being here in the 3rd generation they do not have a modern Turkish lifestyle. So most of them are looking for a new identity. The result of this is that the attraction of fundamental islam has grown and that the willingness for integration is lower than ever.
And partially wrong. Some IRA members WERE arrested in Paris in the 80s in a flat fulled by weapons. It even led to a scandal, as some of the weapons had been added by the cops to "add" to the worth of their discovery, but nevertheless those were preparing something out of the british Isles.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
Anyways, around 1/3 of the muslims here(most being of North-African Ascent) do marry "locals" (including numerous metis from the french indies, btw - but those are french since 3-4 centuries). Of course you still have a core of crazy salafists - who forbid themselves marrying outside the "sons of the prophet and its followers"(read the arabs), but they are not numerous enough to make a demographic impact. And the funny side is that as early as the 2nd generation, immigrants tend to adopt local's natality behaviour.
That being said, natality rates are a problem. A light one in France(around 1.9), where a light immigration is enough. A strong one in Italy, Spain or Japan, that have to rethink about themselves - one way or another. And one might ask : "what is the difference between France and Spain?". Spain is...more catholic!!! So catholicism is obviously not a relevant factor, or better : it can be relevant but other factors may be stronger. The difference is that France has one of the most efficient network of facilities for taking care of youngsters. So that a lady can manage a career, have 3 children, and still have an impressive career - because she can use that network for taking care of her children.
In other words : christianism may have boosted the birth rate in americas, but it was counterproductive in Europe after the so-called "woman's freeding". As countries wanting to respect a traditional family structure are those who invested the least in the management of children of working women(Italy & Spain especially). So ladies over there have to choose between their career & their job. There is still much work to do over there, but we're overall better than our neighbours.
Cool! I learned a new word today... thanks el_slapper ~:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by el_slapper
Also I just checked some stats on Japan, Christians make up 0.7% of the population. So 0.7% of 127 and some change million is 891,921 christians in Japan. Which is a friggin miracle considering that the Tokugawas purged all the christians they could find in like 1620.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
make it mandantory for all men and women capable to have unprotected sex at least once aday until they have at least 2,2 children!
That would be nice.
With anyone in particular or just whoever happens to be closest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
Opposite sex of your choosing. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ja'chyra
Hey Kaiser,
you are currently in Germany, aren't you? Are working on the solution? ~:)
P.S.: How is your stay?
I'm workin on it ~:cheers: ~:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Franconicus
BTW I'm having a great time
Straßburg tommorow!
That gets my vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
I'll go for that ~:cheers: ....just don't tell the wife ~;)
IA, you're absolutely correct. The IRA was horrible and despicable, and no less the bloodthirsty murderers that Al Queda are. There's actually a family feud in my family between myself & one of my cousins versus 2 of my cousins from a different branch. We haven't spoken anything other than formalities in close to 20 years, because they were 'passing a hat for the cause'. It was disgusting then and it's disgusting now, and I apologize for the misguided financial support given by some of my (regretfully) extended family members.
kudos to you Don.....it's a shame you still arn't talking though. Perhaps if you agreed not to discuss this topic you might find time for a game and a couple of beers.
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/omagh/omagh.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
http://www.battlehill395.freeserve.c...%20victims.jpg
http://www.open2.net/reith2004/jpegs...birmingham.jpg
Look no one is saying that their acts of terrorism arent just as bad as say AQs.The difference is that they dont threaten the wole world. Its like comparing Hitler to Jeffery Domers. Yes their both horrible people but Hitler was far more dangerous. Again the IRA doesnt threaten the entire planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
There terrorist acts are not okay at all, but they are much toned down from the islamic extremist.
The ONLY thing I might say, and this is in no way a mitigation of the vile acts the IRA perpetrated, was that there were two factions operating, and some of the more extreme factions in the Orange Order weren't that much better.
There is no mitigation. I repeat ALL terrorism is evil.
I feel the same way, it's a bit silly for me to be fearing immigrants since my entire mom's side immigrated here around the 1900s. But they were evil Polish, who didn't know how to observe proper the proper Western way of life, of course. :dizzy2:Quote:
Do you think as an immigrant who is married to an immigrant, who is the son of immigrants, who is the grandchild of immigrants that I am at all intimidated by immigrants?
My dad's side is so confusing, I can't tell heads or tail, but you don't get a English, French and German without immigration.
Oh, Apache, I agree wholeheartedly. :bow:
Time for a proper reply to this bit now .
The only concern I have with the declining cultures is that if we give immigrants the vote, then they can change our culture in fundemental ways.
I dont think the spanish over here would, but the muslims have some very different takes on the world that I dont think real europeans would appreciate being forced on them.
So Panzer you wish to remove citizens rights to vote because of their religion . But of course removing their right to vote wouldn't be enough , you would have to ban them from holding any governmnet job , just in case they had any influence , ban them from teaching as well , ban them from practicing law or medicine , ban them from operating in the financial industry .
You must be thorough in your clampdown !!!!
To make sure they don't slip through the net make sure they all register and stamp all their identification papers with the letter "I" for Islam , I was going to suggest "M" for Muslim but I think we should keep that letter free for when we get round to clamping down on the Mexicans .
Furthermore , to make sure they cannot influence anyone who hasn't asked to see their papers , lets make them sew a nice crescent onto all their clothes so we can easily identify them .
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Gawain ; Since the article is almost identical from the last one you posted on the subject , though of course taken from a right wing ex con this time instead of from a neo-Nazi .
Could you explain something to me , as I cannot really understand this racial purity bull ... What exactly is this WHITE CHRISTIAN RACE you are on about , what shade of skin counts as white ? what Christian counts as a white Christian ? What is your position of Christians who are not white or people who are white who are not Christian ?
Or are you just a ****** ******* ?
Oh my someone needs to drink some ale and forget about his outrage at another's post. Looks like someone is atrolling - does it notQuote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Now someone has gone beyond trolling into something else.Quote:
Gawain ; Since the article is almost identical from the last one you posted on the subject , though of course taken from a right wing ex con this time instead of from a neo-Nazi .
Could you explain something to me , as I cannot really understand this racial purity bull ... What exactly is this WHITE CHRISTIAN RACE you are on about , what shade of skin counts as white ? what Christian counts as a white Christian ? What is your position of Christians who are not white or people who are white who are not Christian ?
Or are you just a ****** ******* ?
Because you misunderstand me. Its not the biological but the ethics of western civilization Im worried about losing. There is a battle going on now between us and radical Muslims who would change the world to resemble the middle east. Now if you see nothing wrong with that and believe that their society is just as good as ours and dont mind it replacing ours then what can I say? I dont care what race you are but I do care what your basic moral codes are and how they may effect me and mine in the future. I dont fancy facing Mecca 5 times a day. Peaceful invasion is the most succesful. Again thats really what brought down Rome.Quote:
Could you explain something to me , as I cannot really understand this racial purity bull
Ohh a holocaust reference. That must have taken a lot of thought for you to come up with. ~:rolleyes:Quote:
So Panzer you wish to remove citizens rights to vote because of their religion . But of course removing their right to vote wouldn't be enough , you would have to ban them from holding any governmnet job , just in case they had any influence , ban them from teaching as well , ban them from practicing law or medicine , ban them from operating in the financial industry .
You must be thorough in your clampdown !!!!
To make sure they don't slip through the net make sure they all register and stamp all their identification papers with the letter "I" for Islam , I was going to suggest "M" for Muslim but I think we should keep that letter free for when we get round to clamping down on the Mexicans .
Furthermore , to make sure they cannot influence anyone who hasn't asked to see their papers , lets make them sew a nice crescent onto all their clothes so we can easily identify them .
Non-assimilated immigrants can pose a threat to a democratic society if they dont share the same values of that society.
It's not going to happen. A couple of generations, once the ties are severed (and it will happen, even if it has to be helped along the way - like in Denmark, although I personally don't think that's too great an idea), and people are pretty well integrated. This terrorism stuff isn't helping, but it will happen.
In Denmark there are very strict controls on people marrying outsiders and then living with them in Denmark - which I can see the reasoning behind (stops arranged marriages etc) but strikes me as an infringement of rights. If I want to marry a foreigner, they should be able to live at home with me.
You know I used to think of myself of a conservative... (hell I voted for Thatcher 3 times) but reading the cons from the USA ...I think I fall into the liberal camp...ohhh the ignomany..... ~:eek:
Actually I even agree to some extent with that statement (surprise, surprise ~:) ). While I do not buy into the fear that "Western Christian culture" will be destroyed by immigrants, we certainly should take care that immigrants show more willingness to integrate into the society they physically became part of (however, I also think that the society they come into should also show the willingness to integrate them).Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
I love and enjoy cultural diversity - but cultural diversity should mean that we have various cultures that live together and share their distinctive features (without completely giving up to many) - it should never lead to the development of ghettos and various cultures living in parallel worlds with limited contact, forming sub-societies within a country.
That would indedd be a threat to a democratic society.
the ira is evil, and they are horrible for the acts the commited, but at least the dont want the world to bow before them.