Muslim Apologist Syndrome

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Originally Posted by Roark

Sorry Proletariat, but if it was a systemic problem, wouldn't it have been prevalent from Day 1 of the inception of Islam, and continuing throughout the entire history of the faith?

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No. Being systemic has nothing to do with inception.

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Originally Posted by Roark

Panzer, I most certainly agree with you that the teachings of the hateful extremist schools of Islam need to be looked at closely.

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Yeah, it's correcting the lack of scrutiny that will fix this.

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Originally Posted by BP

There's plenty of Christian terrorists. I'm sure you know this. The fact that they don't come from Kansas is unfortunate because then you'd really be wrong.
Does this make me want to go out and start mouthing off about how Christianity kills people? No. Is it right for me to do so? No.
I have other reasons for bashing Christianity, I don't need to complain about let's say the IRA, the ETA, etc. And believe you me there's dozens of these organizations all over Europe, and the rest of the world. I could easily blame Christianity for their actions, but is that what Jesus was all about? I don't think so, unles Orthodox Christianity(the one I grew up with) is completely different from yours.

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Sure. Christians commit genocide. My country had to act despite the UN to put them down, (right near you're homeland, I believe).

I'm not Christian. I don't care about Allah, Jesus, or Yaweh.

I understand Allah didn't say fly planes into the building. I'm not decrying their religion. Go worship tree spirits and leprechauns for all I care. I'm even dating a Doctor who is a Kurdish Muslim.

But I'm still not going to blind myself to the major differences in Islam these days and Christianity.

If you really believe Islam is in the same state as any other major religion, tell me wtf no one's worried about the Christian Hiroshima project?

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Originally Posted by Pape

Religious fundamentalism of all religions is a bad thing...

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Agreed! Falwell is just as much of an ass as Bin Laden. But he hasn't claimed the lives of any of my friends, like the former has.

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Yeah, they're clearly in the same league. Let's pay homage to all those we've lost due to suicide bomb attacks from Kansas Christians.

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Maybe those guys aren't, but here's some other ones who rival them for viciousness and hate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

http://www.armyofgod.com/JamesKopp.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%27s...onary_group%29

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christi...ts_kill_44.htm

As you can see, Islamic extremists haven't cornered the market on crazy. There are plenty of good, wholesome, God-fearing Christians performing violent acts for the glory of God.

So, is it really fair to blame Islam and Christianity in their entirety, or do you think it's perhaps more reasonable to blame the nuts in both religions who by all accounts are acting in contrary to the true teachings of their faiths?

Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Goofball

As you can see, Islamic extremists haven't cornered the market on crazy.

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I didn't say they had. I said, in fact, you could find lunatics anywhere. (Atheism, Christians, Jews, whatever)

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As you can see, Islamic extremists haven't cornered the market on crazy. There are plenty of good, wholesome, God-fearing Christians performing violent acts for the glory of God.

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Thats a pretty lame list. So you have a few nuts who dont represent any organized or recognised christain church vs millions of Muslim extremists. There is NO comparison. Also they dont represent anywhere near the danger of radical Islam.

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So, is it really fair to blame Islam and Christianity in their entirety, or do you think it's perhaps more reasonable to blame the nuts in both religions who by all accounts are acting in contrary to the true teachings of their faiths?

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Blame both but it seems that Islam is a far more fertile place as far as producing nuts goes.

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

So you have a few nuts who dont represent any organized or recognised christain church vs millions of Muslim extremists.

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Which millions would these be?

I believe its accepted that only ten percent of Muslims could be called radicals. Do the math. What percentage of christains would fit this same criteria?

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Which millions would these be?

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Yes, I'm curious as to the answer to that question as well.

Heres a few

http://img27.echo.cx/img27/163/stoning22pv.jpg

So tell me how many do you think there are?

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

I believe its accepted that only ten percent of Muslims could be called radicals. Do the math. What percentage of christains would fit this same criteria?

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"I believe its (sic) accepted..."?

Hmmm.

When statements are made in the passive voice it usually means one of three things:

1) I really don't know what I'm talking about but I am trying to sound like I do;

2) I am making a statement that I believe, but I have no way of backing it up;

3) I am a government employee and I don't want to tie my own name to the statement I am making.

So tell me how many do you think there are?

Ummmm...... 5 if you include the cameraman , whats the prize , what have I won ? ~:cheers:

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Ummmm...... 5 if you include the cameraman , whats the prize , what have I won ?

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You think the one in the hole is a radical? Sorry you lose ~D

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1) I really don't know what I'm talking about but I am trying to sound like I do;

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Ive heard this figure many times but certainly we dont know the actual numbers . Maybe you could enlighten us all. Lets say its 1 percent. How many does that give you?

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I am making a statement that I believe, but I have no way of backing it up;

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Thats more like it but i will try to .

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I am a government employee and I don't want to tie my own name to the statement I am making.

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No way I work for the government.

You think the one in the hole is a radical? Sorry you lose
I demand a recount :furious3:
Look above the Uzi , there is another head ~;)

Maybe I don't want to know the answer to this question, but what exactly is going on in that picture? The hole is nowhere deep enough to bury the person alive. Are they going to bury her up to her elbows and leave her there? Is there any context for this photo? Where did you get it?

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Maybe I don't want to know the answer to this question, but what exactly is going on in that picture? The hole is nowhere deep enough to bury the person alive. Are they going to bury her up to her elbows and leave her there?

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I was thinking the same thing or maybe they will make a mound out of her.

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Is there any context for this photo? Where did you get it?

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OK you got it.

How radical Muslims masquerading as "moderates" are infiltrating our government, military (!!)

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How radical Muslims masquerading as "moderates" are infiltrating our government, our military, our prisons, our schools -- and even the Department of Homeland Security

Infiltration
by Paul Sperry

The most dangerous Muslim radicals won't be sneaking through our borders from the Middle East -- they're already here. That's the alarming message of Washington-based investigative reporter Paul Sperry's new book, Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington. Using access to classified documents as well as exclusive interviews with FBI agents, Customs officers, and military intelligence officials, Sperry reveals how the top levels of our government, armed forces and intelligence agencies have been compromised by radical Muslims -- many of them trained, supported, and inserted into their positions by the so-called "moderate" Muslim establishment in America. Cleverly exploiting "diversity," "religious freedom," and tax-exemption laws, these subversives have gained firm footholds in key American institutions, including public schools and universities, the federal and state prison system, law enforcement, the military, nuclear weapons laboratories, the Department of Homeland Security -- even the White House.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Maybe I don't want to know the answer to this question, but what exactly is going on in that picture? The hole is nowhere deep enough to bury the person alive. Are they going to bury her up to her elbows and leave her there? Is there any context for this photo? Where did you get it?

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I'm not sure, but I think typically before somebody is stoned to death they are buried up to the waist so they can't dodge. Unfortunately, that's what looks like is taking place in the picture.

I hesitate to say anything after Ive actually been agreed with somewhat, as it doesnt happen very often but...

During the Newsweek-Koran-Toilet episode, it was clear that the sentiment in some areas of the muslim world is against America and the west. Just because they dont have the means to take up arms in a terrorist attack, doesnt mean that millions in pakistan and that area dont hate the west.

That being said, i dont think a majority of muslims hate anything really, but the numbers that do are too large to draw relativity with the christian terrorists you cited Goofball.

Oh man, you should have quit while you were ahead. I can actually understand muslims getting bent out of shape about the Koran being flushed down the toilet. The people you ought to have issue with is the jokers at Newsweek that invented the story.

I'm not sure, but I think typically before somebody is stoned to death they are buried up to the waist so they can't dodge.
Where's the fun in that ?
Come on make it more entertaining , perhaps just tie their shoelaces together .

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Oh man, you should have quit while you were ahead. I can actually understand muslims getting bent out of shape about the Koran being flushed down the toilet.

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No person with a truly spiritual mentality would consider a book worth more than human life. It's materialistic blind rage. I cannot understand anyone who would kill someone over a symbol. If they genuinely understood their own faith, they'd realize that Allah doesn't care about the material book itself. It's the message and what is in your heart from those pages that matters. Those things are what is important and they cannot be flushed.

Those people were 7th Century Cockroaches, and this religion has been hijacked by them.

Seeing that picture almost makes me hope there is a Heaven and Hell so those men will have their eyes boil out and their brains poached over and over in eternity. Probably being raped was her crime.

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

No person with a truly spiritual mentality would consider a book worth more than human life. It's materialistic blind rage. I cannot understand anyone who would kill someone over a symbol. If they genuinely understood their own faith, they'd realize that Allah doesn't care about the material book itself. It's the message and what is in your heart from those pages that matters. Those things are what is important and they cannot be flushed.

Those people were 7th Century Cockroaches, and this religion has been hijacked by them.

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I never said I agreed with the people that rioted and went on a killing spree. I said I could understand muslims being upset. If somebody used the American flag for a wipe after a bowel movement, and it came to light in a very public way, don't tell me we wouldn't all be howling quite loudly.

Of course I don't agree that rioting and killing people, and burning down a mosque was an appropriate response. But I do understand them being upset about it.

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Seeing that picture almost makes me hope there is a Heaven and Hell so those men will have their eyes boil out and their brains poached over and over in eternity. Probably being raped was her crime.

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Hard to say what that was about, but it did send shivers down my spine.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Of course I don't agree that rioting and killing people, and burning down a mosque was an appropriate response. But I do understand them being upset about it.

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That's why I think he was right to use it to back up his arguement (which I don't agree with per se, but can certainly sympathize with.)

Upset? Sure.
Murderous rampage? 7th Century Cockroach.

I think a big part of it was that it was presented as a torture device used by America. It's not like it was a random guy, it was (well supposedly) done by probably the most powerful country in the world.
I must admit I don't understand the response, myself, however.

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/index.htm

Great site, gives you a little hope that some people still think individually and can shun strong group-think.

Um, that seems a bit harsh. It's one thing to believe that humanity doesn't need religons, but they were far to agressive, just as it would be too agressive if a bunch of people who left the Catholic Church made a site attacking Christianity.