Iranian Fundamentalist Calls for Assassination of Bush

Pappy:

Nice thread. Classic use of the "reverse of the medal." I suspect this thread has run its course, however.

I too have lived in Austin, a wonderful town -- still haven't found a place to equal Amy's on the Drag -- but the thread is circling now.

Seamus

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Nice thread. Classic use of the "reverse of the medal." I suspect this thread has run its course, however.

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I thought it was a pretty sad attempt. Comparing what some nut says and is clearly not US policy to that of an Iranian leader who should be taken seriously. Its desigenous at best.

Once again, and before the thread closes for good - disingenuous means intentionally naïve, not naïve or incorrect or misinformed or any of the other misuses to which the word has recently been subjected. If you're not misusing the word, then you've just personally insulted Ser Clegane by saying that he is being "intentionally naive at best" in fewer words. ~D

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

Apparently Redleg didn't read his own links and missed the origin of the word jingoism, as coming from a song with the line "by Jingo" which is a euphemism for "by Jesus". I'm reasonably certain that Jesus has religious connotations. Then again, I could be wrong. I'm sure in Redleg's personal vendetta, that's the case. I suspect that he just recently looked the word up, not knowing what it means and the result was the rather nonsensical diatribe above. But, that isn't really surprising considering that he's still misusing the term disingenuous despite having the term defined for him multiple times. I wonder if he thinks hyperbole is a really, really big tree trunk as well?

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Again you would be wrong - studied history, political science, orginins of several conflicts - to include the one where the term was first used. And how it was used along with Yellow Journalism for the Spanish American War. Notice the quote in Wikepidi of the wonderful statement by Teddy, here I will cut and paste it to save you time in linking back to it.

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One of those frequently accused of Jingoism was Theodore Roosevelt, who answered in a October 8, 1895 interview in the New York Times, "There is much talk about "jingoism." If by "jingoism" they mean a policy in pursuance of which Americans will with resolution and common sense insist upon our rights being respected by foreign powers, then we are "jingoes.""

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However its becoming obvious that you do pull certain words out of the air and pretend to know what they mean.

But thanks for proving a point by the way. False pretense are just that. By Jesus is an express meaning that you swear its the truth, kind of like "on my mother's grave"- not a religious connotation that you attempted to link it to.

Come on now like if your going to use the word - and preach to others about using words correctly - then use the expression correctly yourself.

Your playing word games without knowing what the word actually means. And would I suspect you know the history of Jingoism - and know that it did not come from a religious commotation - but from an expression of that means "I swear." But that is okay because I am playing word games right back - no problem - but it seems I am not the only one capable of rather nonsensical diatribe which you have demonstrated with this post and one just above about the meaning of disingenuous.

Hyperbole after hyperbole which is what attempting to link Religion to Jingoism is and then accusing others of not having ever heard or seen the word before. Continue on with the discussion and your self deception about how much I know and don't know.

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

Once again, and before the thread closes for good - disingenuous means intentionally naïve, not naïve or incorrect or misinformed or any of the other misuses to which the word has recently been subjected. If you're not misusing the word, then you've just personally insulted Ser Clegane by saying that he is being "intentionally naive at best" in fewer words. ~D

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Lets see in another thread you claimed that disingenuous means

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...777#post894777

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Oh, and the word you are all misusing is "disingenuous" which actually means insincere, not naive.

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And now you have discovered why I use links to point out what the word means - and not pull the definition out of my rear end.

Have a nice day.... ~D :duel:

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

I thought it was a pretty sad attempt. Comparing what some nut says and is clearly not US policy to that of an Iranian leader who should be taken seriously. Its desigenous at best.

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Actually Pape's example wasn't about official Iran policy either but referring to

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Originally Posted by Papewaio

Iranian Fundamentalists who have been associated with the current mayor of Tehran

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So the comparison seems to be very valid - and the knee-jerk reactions by some patrons were quite revealing.

@Aenlic & Redleg:
If you have some personal vendetta, please take care of it via PM or (as you both live in Texas) over a beer.
Scouring posts that do not further the topic of the thread for more or less veiled petty remarks/insults is not something I plan to do over the next days/weeks :stare:

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Originally Posted by Ser Clegane

@Aenlic & Redleg:
If you have some personal vendetta, please take care of it via PM or (as you both live in Texas) over a beer.
Scouring posts that do not further the topic of the thread for more or less veiled petty remarks/insults is not something I plan to do over the next days/weeks :stare:

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Not a vendetta at all - I initially was just countering the hyperbole of linking Religion to Jingoism - which is false. Maybe I should tone down the language slightly on the next post - but the point is valid.

Jingoism is not based upon religion and nationalism. Jingoism is based upon run away nationalism or as it is defined by all sources - the extreme belief that your own country is always best, which is often shown in enthusiastic support for a war against another country:

The postion was a counter to his allegation that the two are linked. Blaming religion seems to be the "cool" thing to do, but to blame religion for the reasons behind a term - where the blame is not factual - well it deserves and begs to be corrected.

Did I get petty after his second remarks - sure I did - but like I have always said - two can play the game that Aenlic pulled in his response. If he would of kepted it civil - I would not have responded in such a way, however I will always respond to posters in the way that they chose to particapate in the discussion with. Confrontation with confrontation, politiness with politeness. etc etc....

I'd rather Redleg just ignored me; but since he can't I'm going to respond when he directly criticizes my posts and insults me. I have been ignoring his blatant responses to my posts; but he has continued. So I'm going to respond. You'll notice that a thread will go on for sometime and then Redleg jumps in and takes exception to me in a very personal way, usually with erroneous misreadings and attempting to claim that I don't use words properly. This is all probably a result of my correcting him on the use of the word disingenuous last week after he tried to redefine my use of the phrase chicken hawk to suit his rhetoric. It's become a personal vendetta for him, which I've tried to ignore for the last few days. Take note of the threads in which he's done it. This isn't the only one. But it's become apparent that he refuses to stop, so I'll respond when he directs posts at me in such a manner. He can't argue the merits of my posts and so tries to argue about words instead.

I'm perfectly willing to ignore him. He can't seem to do the same. I refuse to be a punching bag for his personal vendetta.

Good - now that we all know your positions - let the healing begin...

And let this and other threads stay on topic.

Thanks :bow:

Have the two Texans meet in Pflugerville and settle this....swords or pistols at their choice. ~;)

Seamus

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Other then to say I will never ignore attacks on religion just to attack religion or other such demonization rhetroic because it suits someone's political idealog views. I will counter that type of comments in the same exact tone in which it was delivered.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Have the two Texans meet in Pflugerville and settle this....swords or pistols at their choice. ~;)

Seamus

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Pflugerville sucks - we can meet in Wacky Waco.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Pflugerville sucks - we can meet in Wacky Waco.

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I know that Waco is more of a true mid-point, but Puh-Floo-ger-ville is just such a fun name to abuse!

Seamus

Since we're completely off topic by now, anyway. Puh flugerville is one of the funniest songs by the Austin Lounge Lizards.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

I know that Waco is more of a true mid-point, but Puh-Floo-ger-ville is just such a fun name to abuse!

Seamus

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There are even funnier one's too. I like abusing Waco however - because a lot of the time when that town makes the news its for something completely wacky - or in the case of extremists - Branch Davidians anyone - completely out there.

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Originally Posted by Aenlic

Since we're completely off topic by now, anyway. Puh flugerville is one of the funniest songs by the Austin Lounge Lizards.

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Love that tune -- though I haven't heard it in more than a decade. Heck, I haven't even visited since the Spring of '97. Do you walk around "ducking" now that the Tower isn't off limits?

Seamus

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Originally Posted by Redleg

There are even funnier one's too. I like abusing Waco however - because a lot of the time when that town makes the news its for something completely wacky - or in the case of extremists - Branch Davidians anyone - completely out there.

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Don't forget the famous Texas Rangers Museum! ~:)

Actually, I love the way Texans abuse pronunciation.

San Jacinto = San Jack

Koenig = Kay-nig

Amarillo = Aah-muh-Rill-oh

Abilene = Aah-buh-lean

It's just....fun.


P.S. Pop quiz: Name the actor and movie for the following line:

"Go ahead and lash me, you swine, you'll not loosen my tongue!"

Don't forget Manchaca pronounced as Man-chak and Guadalupe pronounced as Guad-a-loop.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

If America is to use assassination as a viable tool against hostile governments, we had better put a lot of faith in the Secret Service to do their jobs well because no one will cry over spilled president blood.. ~;)

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America should never use assassination as a viable tool. I expect more from the worlds largest democratic republic.

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Originally Posted by bmolsson

America should never use assassination as a viable tool. I expect more from the worlds largest democratic republic.

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Would an Iraq style invasion be better? ~;)

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Originally Posted by yesdachi

Would an Iraq style invasion be better? ~;)

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Actually yes.....

The best thing about this thread is it reminded me of my favorite T. Roosevelt quote - notice the new sig quote.

Yay! I'm just doing my Patriotic duty now! ~;)