Life need chemical reactions for energy, such don`t occur at nano-scale. So I guess they`re not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franconicus
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Life need chemical reactions for energy, such don`t occur at nano-scale. So I guess they`re not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franconicus
Viking,
this is what we know. Why can't there be a completely different form of life?
It is well-known that Australians are born on barrier reefs and either immediately swim ashore or drown. Many do not make it. Those who do are indestructible. They indulge in sports practices that would force Charles Darwin to rewrite evolution theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
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Well, life need energy. Without energy life can`t exist. Try to move your hand, think or.. yeah, just anything without using energy. It`s impossible. There is no source of energy for an creature to live on an electron; pluss that gravitational forces are too strong at nano-scale to let such creatures keep toghether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franconicus
Life completely different from what we have on Earth there`s no problem with, like life based on liquid hydro-carbons instead of water. But life on nano-scale is impossible.
Maybe there is an energy wavelength on the scale of electrons- a kind of sub-subatomic energy. To the lifeforms on electrons, this energy is the same size as energy particles are to us.
Just go ask Alice- I think she'll know.
Wow- that sounded really profound when I was writing it... then again, I wrote it right when White Rabbit was peaking.
How do you know? Again this is the point of this thread. For all we know we could be life on a nano scale. In fact I suggest in relation to the universe we know we already are that.Quote:
But life on nano-scale is impossible.
WHOA-
I just thought of something... Gawain...
What if God didn't create us... what if, at some point in the future, we and the other intellegent beings in the universe will all unite- and WE WILL CREATE GOD?! ~:eek:
Not from a scientific standpoint because physical systems are not infinitely scalable. The four forces that govern the universe (gravity, electro-magnetism, the strong force and the weak force) determine what size things are. Einstein felt these four forces were manifestations of a single underlying force, but he died before he could complete his Unified Field theory. If the space, within which our observable universe exisits, itself exists within a larger physical system, that system would have to be governed by a different physical law. I suppose it's possible, but it's also possible that what we observe as space is simply the absence of anything and it extends to infinity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Science is useless on this matter. We dont know squat and the sooner many here realise that the better.Quote:
Not from a scientific standpoint because physical systems are not infinitely scalable.
I'll wait for an absolute opinion on anything once I'm dead.
Till then I will go with the current scientific paradigms.
Thats a pretty old idea for you to just think of. In fact Frak Herbert(Dune) wrote a book about it.Quote:
What if God didn't create us... what if, at some point in the future, we and the other intellegent beings in the universe will all unite- and WE WILL CREATE GOD?!
http://www.arrakis.co.uk/jpg/godmake3.jpg
The fastest phenonomen in this universe is light and it takes ~8 minutes for that light to travel from the Sun to the Earth. How can the universe be functional with that kind of speed? The photon emission from an atom is much faster that's why it is functional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Also, if there a more stars out there outside the universe, the space and the sky would be filled with light.
Who says theres more stars past the universe. Does anyone have any idea of what lies there? No they dont. We could all be living in a ball of puss for all we know. Again many of you fail to realise how clueless we really are.Quote:
Also, if there a more stars out there outside the universe, the space and the sky would be filled with light.
If you're going to intimate that the universe as a (functional ) unit of a bigger "entity", there would be more universe like this with stars and with the same physical rules as well. Two units will not interact if not bound with the same rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
No it isn't. You cannot scale physical systems as you are suggesting. Besides, if we were inside something larger and that larger thing moved, that force would affect our universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Space is nothing and there is no reason to believe that space has an end to it. We can only see out so far, so we don't know if there is anything beyond what we can see. Everything that we do see can be traced back to a central point at the same point in time.
I guess you just dont get it. We dont even understand how everything on earth works never mind the universe and beyond. We just take our best educated guesses. And as I pointed out in another thread we are usually wrong.Quote:
Space is nothing and there is no reason to believe that space has an end to it. We can only see out so far, so we don't know if there is anything beyond what we can see. Everything that we do see can be traced back to a central point at the same point in time.
Viking, you do not convince me. First of all, there is plenty of energy within atoms. Second, quantum physics tells us that the notion energy is a simplification of the macro world. In the micro world it becomes more - let's say - vage and irrelevant. For example the law of conservation of energy is not correct for a single electron or atom but only for a statistical ensemble. Third, relativity tells us that energy and mass are equivalent. Forth: Relativity also teached us that our physical laws are based on our observations. And that they may not be correct any more if the issue is outside our observation and experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
But the real question is if there is another world outside how can we safe it from communism and terrorism and make it part of the western world.
So what was this a troll question? Why ask the question if you know it's not possible to answer it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Because some people it seems think they and science know the answers.Quote:
So what was this a troll question? Why ask the question if you know it's not possible to answer it?
If space exists within a metaphysical entity then Immanuel Kant already proved that it's not possible to know the nature of that entity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
There is nothing beyond the universe(except from other universes, maybe). No time, no space, nothing. The universe is everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
There are energy at such scales, but not for life to utilize. Secondly, there are nothing for life to be buildt of. Third, things become completely different at such scales, everything would have to "orbit" the atom core. Life would be torn apart thanks to how much stronger the different forces become at such scales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franconicus
And your proof? Even you just admitted you dont know.Quote:
There is nothing beyond the universe(except from other universes, maybe). No time, no space, nothing. The universe is everything.
Imagine nothing. Certainly "nothing" would exist forever and be infinite. It wouldn't even exist because it's the absence of existence. The real questions are where did the energy that was introduced into the nothing come from, and what is the nature of the physical law which governs that energy. Science can't answer either one of those questions because they are not observable phenomena.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Well they cant now but who knows? This is also the reason we dont know what is beyond the universe. As Ive said before everything is relative. Just as I know as I grow older and learn more I realise many of my old conceptions were wrong and that there is much more to learn the same goes for science and civilization.Quote:
Science can't answer either one of those questions because they are not observable phenomena.
The universe is everything. What proof do you want? When I say the universe, I mean everything. Nothing can escape the universe, nothing can exist outside of it. If the Big Bang created the universe, nothing could possible be outside it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
I suppose there could be other universes that are so far away that we can't see them or so far displaced in time that they have come and gone or not come into existence yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny