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Don't really know...nor care. If a gay couple want to adopt a kid more power to em'...considering our world is already too full of disease ridden, starving children without parents, the last thing we need is a few million more of them. If a gay couple wants a kid, stand aside, or be destroyed. :2thumbsup:
It may not encourage them to be gay, but the humiliation that the kids in school put them through, might sometimes make them go a little crazy.
If you refer to 'nature' as a criterion, you are already out of order. That is what the naturalist fallacy is all about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
And keep your hands off my flamingo's, you brute. I saw that. :stare:
The context was that I established the arguement as a fallacy - be it the wrong one - but the ackownlegment of a fallacy was included in the statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianII
Flamingo's are only good for one thing - to look at. :2thumbsup:Quote:
And keep your hands off my flamingo's, you brute. I saw that. :stare:
Wait... you weren't taking me seriously, were you?! :inquisitive: You may as well be listening to Groucho Marx on marital advice! :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
For future reference, never, ever take me seriously, or believe anything I say.
After an extended stay at the org, you start to learn this.:laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorba
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Originally Posted by Zorba
Making a mental note.....
Any way.
No 1 has remarked on My statement...
I will re iterate the point i was making.
the idea of Adoption is to place the child In a "Safe" loving normal enviroment.
Now imagine Yourself as a child of say 11years.
And your in school, And your parents hapen to be a same sex couple.
With bullying acounting for the majoraty if not All child suicides.
And the fact kids are right lil Vicious things.
How is placing children in a situation where they will be punished for their parents choices "safe".
Also
As homosecuals tend to get infected With STd's And Sti's Such as Hiv And hepititis. Homosexual life expectancy cannot really be that Great,
Also some strains of Hepititis are HIGLY contagous.
Drinking from a cup a person with hepititis has previously used, Can be enough to transmit the disease.
Again
how is that a "safe" enviroment?
Are you sure bullying always happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
And it happens anyway without the homosexual "issue."
May be we want to reteach the parents that gays aren't evil, so their kids won't go evil on adopted children of gays, instead of barring homosexual couples with unfair discrimination?
I thought we've seen a few example of mindless gay-hating on the .orgs lately.
Links and facts to backup your claim, please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
I'm pretty sure you have to prove you don't have any contagious diseases before you can adopt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
Not at all, I never said that the "thing" they choose is good or bad, I say that the free personal election is a good thing. Now if you're arguing that being gay makes someone a bad person then try to support it or at least tell me when the morality falls in such a subject. Alternatively if you are saying that it's indiferent then you should agree with me in that, if you accept the personal election to be a good thing (and accept it as you would accept a law), then we shouldn't desagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
If you're of those incorrectible positivists, then you've even less range of choice in the matter, because it's not a choice and they're genetically determined to be homosexual, wich I disagree, but as you see both arguements fall before the truth, that it's not a bad thing, and wheter it's an election or not it should be accepted by society as another expression of the nature of mankin.
What do you want me to Link to?
a page showing homosexual rates of Std's as oposed to hetrosexuals?
or a link ther says hepititis is Higly contagous?
Also Bulling always happens.
But think about it... Whos gonna be the 1 getting bullied If thers 1 kid in your school who has same sex parents?
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As for proving you dont have std's before adoption..
the fact of the matter is homosexuals (males expeshilay)
Do contract STD's more often than There hetrosexual conterparts,
Even worse...
Some homosexuals Consider having HIV as a status symbol of there homosexuality.
(PLACE LINK HERE)
Now again.
im not saying this is true for all homo sexuals, And i feel as though I need to make that clear.
But I am saying that homosexuals Are more likley to have or contract std's
Whic obviously could be detrimental to the child.
the question here Shouldnt be should you let Gay couples adopt a child.
(that would be for there benafit !not the idea of adoption)
it should be.
Is there likley to be a biger detrimentall affect on the child if it is placed with a same sex couple than if he/she was placed with a hetrosexual couple.
and on avarage, I would say Yes.
but not becous of who they chose to love.
its simply becous homosexuals Are more likley To be Singled out for attac, more likley to die of std's. and less likley to suply a stable and noram enviroment for the child.
the benafits are suposed to be for the child,
Not some ironic trophy for a same sex couple.
Ok where it says Place link here...
i forgot to place the link...
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBu...20030912b.html
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homosexuals likley to catch HIV
5-10% of homosexuals contract HiV... So thats not As bad as i thought.
And infact The Bigest Spread of HIv is from Hetrosexual couples.
However....
Due to there ebing MANY more hetrosexuals than there are homosexuals.
It is very dificult to prove which are most likely to contract STD's
So I will be forced to abandon that Line of comment.
Hepititis contagous link...
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/h/hepa...contagious.htm
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Personal contact with an infected person. HBV, HCV, and HDV sometimes spread when household members unknowingly come in contact with virus-infected blood or body fluids--most probably through cuts and scrapes or by sharing personal items such as razors and toothbrushes. While it is possible to become infected by contact with saliva, blood and semen remain the major sources of infection.
Other Relivant link as to why Less "safe enviroment"
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS01B1
Wow. It's three-page long.
I like that idea. Most of kids who get adopted are supposed to be orphans anyway. I rather have gay parents than none at all. To whom do I ask money from? You know what I mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakizashi
Seriously, who hasn't been bullied? You're telling me straights kids are exempt from bullying? What about the kids who get bullied because of their sexual preferences or many other things? It's a part of growing up. The parents should teach them how to overcome that bullying. Of course it'd also be nice if other parents could teach their kids not to bully and judge others. Then again, we can't always have everything.Quote:
Now imagine Yourself as a child of say 11years.
And your in school, And your parents hapen to be a same sex couple.
With bullying acounting for the majoraty if not All child suicides.
And the fact kids are right lil Vicious things.
How is placing children in a situation where they will be punished for their parents choices "safe".
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Originally Posted by Weebeast
Parents Can teach kids all they Like,
Kids are kids, Its not the parents no matter what you may have heard.
family of 5, consisting of 2 parents & 3 children.
2 of them grow up fine and respectable.
one of them Always in fights, expelled from 3 schools. Abuses drugs. Dosent listen, fights with his father. bullied others, always getting arrested for breaking the law.
Now if it was the Parents fault all 3 would be the same.
thats not how it works.
peer pressure Is the major contributing factor for anti social behavior.
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As for heterosexuals being bullied,
of course they get bullied.
but think about it.
a school full of relatively normal kids.
few fat 1's
few skinny 1's
a few from broken homes.
and one who has same sex parents.
Who do you think will be Bullied the most?
Hell Chances are. the fat kids, skinny kids, kids from broken homes, AND the relitivly normal kids Would ALL bully the one with same sex parents
Im willing to state IMHO,
that, this poor kid "with same sex parents" would be called A homosexual. And "aids boy" and All sort of other hideous things from the other children as that is how Life is.
You cant blame the parents.
Making Fun of some 1 is called Making Fun. Cos To them Its FUN.
Insulting others can make your peers laugh.
Peer pressure is A terrible thing.
But never the less.
im sure you can see what i mean.
What happens to a kid who has no siblings then?Quote:
Parents Can teach kids all they Like,
Kids are kids, Its not the parents no matter what you may have heard.
family of 5, consisting of 2 parents & 3 children.
2 of them grow up fine and respectable.
one of them Always in fights, expelled from 3 schools. Abuses drugs. Dosent listen, fights with his father. bullied others, always getting arrested for breaking the law.
Now if it was the Parents fault all 3 would be the same.
thats not how it works.
The one who doesn't do anything about it will be bullied the most.Quote:
As for heterosexuals being bullied,
of course they get bullied.
but think about it.
a school full of relatively normal kids.
few fat 1's
few skinny 1's
a few from broken homes.
and one who has same sex parents.
Who do you think will be Bullied the most?
To me dressing up in Templar tunic and killing random 'infidels' is fun but I don't do that, do I? Having fun to the point where somebody else is hurt is not acceptable.Quote:
You cant blame the parents.
Making Fun of some 1 is called Making Fun. Cos To them Its FUN.
A few things i was thinking of...
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2005 in Oklahoma there were more divorces than marriages, and divorces do far more damage to a child than gay parents both physically and pyscologically and even more so if the parents are poor. What happens to adopted kids whose parents divorce? What would happen to gay kids when the parents divorce?
All this talk about "traditional families" is moot because marriage is moot, it's a joke, it's done for tax breaks as much as its done to rear children, its not a sacred institution. It's not it's not it's not. Homosexuality may never be accepted by the mainstream, but convincing me that marriage will ever be sacred to the mainstream will never happen with all the shacking up, all the $39 divorces and all the hot chics who marry bald fat guys for "security."
How would we tell when straight couples had been exhausted so the homo could step in and adopt? Would there be a time line? Would it be based on the kids age, like 13-and-no-parents-yet so you can have gay ones? Could someone opposed to gays adopting just never exhaust the "possibilities", just take more applicants and never stop screening people who they know will fail anyway, but hey -- being an orphan is better than having gay parents, right?
What about inheritence? What about estates of the deceased? If a state doesnt allow gay marriage but does allow singles to adopt how would a single adoptee be any worse than gay one?
Personally, I'm glad i didnt have gay parents because I dont like Barbara Striesand, but I'm also a child of working-class divorcees. But if there seems to be too many orphans and not enough parents I don't see how this could be bad since letting gays adopt would not only make one less orphan but also keep them from having a surrogate mom get artificially pregnant for them, thus adding another head into the population.
Also, Should gay men be allowed to have abortions?
Also, this thread is gay.
The fat one without a doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just A Girl
Bullies generally don't go after the parents, they go after the kid.
So if the same sex kid is "normal" then they won't pick on him.
Fat kids are weak hence get picked on.
YEAH BUT WHAT IF THE KID WITH GAY PARENTS IS ALSO THE FAT ONE? THEN HE WOULD BE PICKED ON BY THE OTHER FATTIES TOO!
One thing to consider is an age restriction for the adopted kid. I know I joked about it earlier, but a kid in late to mid teens is not going to have his/her home life under as much scrutiny as a bunch of 7 year olds whose life revolves around mommy and daddy, erm daddy and daddy. But I don't think there would be manuy gay couples who went for it because part of the joy of childrearing is raising the kid from a young age, and not many people want to adopt teenagers, its like you'd get all the worst and none of the fun
Well What if they adopt a 2 year old homophobe?
they wouldnt know untill he was old enough to tell em He thought they were scumm...
Guess I better state..
"I Do not think Homosexuals are scumm. before you start attacking me, It was just a question"
What if the gay parents are fat and picked on by their natural kid, so they divorce and get picked on by adopted kids who want to be gay but aren't? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump
I don't think it is a very good idea, kids should have a 'natural' view on sexuality the way it was meant, how confusing must it be to grow up in a way that many reject. One of my best friends is gay, and I talked it over with him numerous times, he would like to have kids one day but agrees with me. Call me conservative, but a kid needs a mom and a dad, we didn't beat bioligy in our golden century of science. I am sure it can work in some cases, but I think that anyone that risks faillure when kids are concerned is really doing it for himselve. Homosexual couples can't have children, that is the way the earth works.
Lets try the BLUNT aproach....
Would any of you Lot want 2 gay people as your parents?
Cos i would not.
Hehe "Lot" :laugh4:
Kids also need siblings...and you'll find that is the "natural" way for things to happen. But I don't hear anyone trying to make having only one child illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Bit 2 blunt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
it try again...
How many of you People, Would want Gay parents?
I know i would not want any...
is that better :smile:
Very nicely done... :2thumbsup:
Yes that is true. I just wonder how a kid raised by a homosexual couple would look at sexuality, it must be confusing as hell and growing up is hard enough as it is. I don't think it should be illegal, freedom for all, I just don't think it is something that should be encouraged. If a homosexual couple wants to raise a kid, they better think it over and after that think it over again because it may be harmfull, we just don't really know now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Originally Posted by Soulforged
Well actually.... If kids of gays have a higher chance of becoming homosexuals than 50%, they will after som time make up the majority of Earths population...
Well said. :bow: Until the day we only have one human gender, I will promote heterosexuality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Kids learn about heterosexuality from their peers, from movies and books. The thing they don't learn about easily is homosexuality. Kids raised by parents with liberal views on sexuality are going to be a lot less confused since they have someone to explain it to them. Kids confused about sexuality is a result of bad parenting, not the sexuality of their parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony