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Not so bollox then is it. In that thread Kukri asked if we are funding it, and I said yes. And as it turns out, we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Try again.
sidenote, you really have to cut back on smily usage, I can't shake the feeling that you aren't really having fun.
Small edit of your post, but yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
No the bollox was that in the particular topic you claimed that Muslims were forcing your government to build and pay for their mosques . Which isn't true no matter how far your mind tries to stretch it .Quote:
Not so bollox then is it. In that thread Kukri asked if we are funding it, and I said yes.
No need , you show yourself and your views up for what they with very little prompting :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
Try again.
So Fragony , people should be stripped of their rights and entitlements on the basis of their religeon .Quote:
Small edit of your post, but yes.
That is just sooooo 1930/40s ish . What was it they called them people ?
Godwin's Law, that is what we call that last one.
And it that particular thread they couldn't accept a christian warmonument for a dutch resistancehero in front of their mosk, offended them somehow.
But I am sure you can trace that back in your diary.
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hmmm, that actually feels good............
No need for a diary , people with functioning brains have a thing called memory .Quote:
And it that particular thread they couldn't accept a christian warmonument for a dutch resistancehero in front of their mosk, offended them somehow.
But I am sure you can trace that back in your diary.
So if you can check your diary then you will know that it wasn't the people from the mosque who were complaining .:no:
So sad that your blind bigotry means that you cannot even make a decent case for most of the things that upset your small world .
It helps when you want to moan about things if you stick to facts .
Perhaps you might want to try it sometime .:yes:
Perhaps because of the type of mosques Saudi Arabian money tends to support?Quote:
Why therefore, is it only discomforting when mosques are supported?
As to the original post; the values she mentions are hardly 'Muslim values', they are widespread across the world. Though in the west, some on the left do their best to destroy those values (then praise Muslims for having those values).
I take it, then, that you have several diaries? ~;pQuote:
No need for a diary , people with functioning brains have a thing called memory.
CR
Well, maybe I have a thing against churches, schools and language centres too ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
Crazed Rabbit got the right idea, it's because the Imams of those mosques bring Salafist teachings to our country- that's the discomforting part.
I wouldnt want my tax money to help fund a false religion.
(not trying to be offensive)
No Rabbit , that would only be neccasary if my brain was so disfunctional as to be able to write crap like .Quote:
I take it, then, that you have several diaries?
"the woman was raped because she was a dumb American bitch who just got more than she expected "
and also write
"the woman was raped because muslims are animals and thats what they do"
So for a pointer , if someones only reason for taking a position on any event is due solely to the religeon of the people involved then there is something faulty with their mind.
Banquo is correct, we have an excellent Islamic centre, which I admit I'm a little scared of, pathetic I know but Catholic Churches make me jumpy too.
Our Library was part-financed by the Sultan of Dubai as well. Although when they built it they forgot to factor in the weight of the books, so it's slowly sliding down the hill.
Saudies are Wahabies though, so it is a valid point. Don't they have a problem with fundamentalist textbooks in Germany.
Is that a question? Sounds like one but with no question mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
I wanna hear (read) about this story. A slightly-foreignly-financed Library, poorly engineered, sliding down a hill?Quote:
Although when they built it they forgot to factor in the weight of the books, so it's slowly sliding down the hill.
There's a Hollywood (or maybe Bollywood) blockbuster in this. I just know it.
Aw come on wigferth, surely you must have some response to more your taxpayers money going to the Albert instead of the Cathedral .
Is it just that the Albert has to take care of its ancient relics all the time where as the Cathedral can just send them home after the service ?
Hey you even provide an opening for Fragony .Quote:
Don't they have a problem with fundamentalist textbooks in Germany.
germany ...fundmentalists ....problem ...the mosque he is so concenerned about .....funding (non dutch tax payer):idea2:
But hey .......naaaah that would require some sort of thought beyond the "they is do be Muslims they do right so that do be enough of a reason" :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
editExeter , the Pisa for the new millenium .Quote:
I wanna hear (read) about this story.
Actually, just last week I read an interesting article in a German newsmagazine about the largest mosque in Germany that is just about to be finished (in Marxloh).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Unfortunately I do not have a link to an English version of this article, but it seems that the area were this mosque is built is a great example for how people of different cultures can live together (e.g., I remember that a lot of the muslim families actually send their children to a Catholic kindergarten in that area)
[BActually, just last week I read an interesting article in a German newsmagazine about the largest mosque in Germany that is just about to be finished (in Marxloh).
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Well really I was referring to the group that bought the site , planned and built the development , obtained grants for those parts of the project that were grant eligible (perhaps someone with more knowledge of tax exemptions in the Netherlands can inform us about the future tax status of revenue raised from the leasing of apartments and commercial premesis in the Wester Mosque complex) , raised finding for construction throughout Holland and western europe , and raised a damn big chunk of the funding from a country that may or may not be in Europe .
Basically I thought since that Frag was so up on the Muslim threat to his super power shower and non-floatable boat existance perhaps he might know your governments formal view on this particular group .:shrug:
Unfortunately I do not have a link to an English version of this article,
Don't let that stop you , it certainly doesn't stop others , even when it doesn't say what they claim it says:yes: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
I remember that a lot of the muslim families actually send their children to a Catholic kindergarten in that area
Now would that Kindergarden be eligible for grants , would it recieve subsidies , would its income be eligible for tax relief or tax exemption ?
damn those catholics , we get everywhere and want to take over the world ....or should that be Universe since Catholic is catholic afterall .~;)
BTW as to the last part , I have mentioned before about the local gaeilscoil where the gaeligeoir recieve better funding , bigger grants , plus if they later take their exams an gaelige(even the English , Maths of French exams) they get a preference bonus for a university or college placement .
Since a very large proportion of the recent intake into these schools are not native Irish and certainly not native Irish speakers is this an exploit to obtain the best education for their kids at tax payers expense or is it an attempt at intergration into a languagre that the vast majority of natives cannnot or will not speak . And either way is it anything to be in the least bit bothered about ?
If it is the former then fair play to them , if it is the latter then they can insult the local feicwits in their "own" language and they won't even know it :2thumbsup:
Well in Germany they are on the black list I believe. Here we do things differently. Started out as progressive organisation I believe but they can't keep the fundie's down. Funny you start about boats, it's a bit like that really. Boats just happen to float.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
I do, you just don't like them. Talking about facts and talking about talking about facts are two different things tribes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Tribe: They should both get more money, there should be enough to go around. My original point was that the Cathedral gets next to nothing from the government, which is what they claim. The Giraffe in the RAMM is in serious need of restoration though so they should get a grant just so that it stops frightening small children.
I see the problem here .Quote:
I do, you just don't like them. Talking about facts and talking about talking about facts are two different things tribes.
Look try and understand , I shall use simple words so you don't get too confused.
For something to be a fact it has to be true .:yes:
Now try these two simple samples from a poster who shall remain un named , unless of course you can recognise what you wrote in each sample and foolishly attempt to call it factual .
1) someone is convicted and jailed , they had been caught red handed in the act complete with firebombs , lots of evidence and testimony (even from his friends and associates) all leave no doubt whatsoever about what happened and what laws were broken .
Mystery poster writes....he didn't do nothing , he is innocent , its just the liberal lefty multiculturalist judges convicting him because he isn't a muslim
2)someone is not convicted because there is no evidence to convict him of anything .
Mystery poster writes ....... he is guilty he is an evil terrorist , he even had a tank and explosives and maps and plans and everything . he was just found not guilty because he is a muslim and the lefty liberal judges have a multiculchie love for muslims .
Yep I know it is what the trustees claim , but that is just the foundations sales pitch for attracting personal bequests , it isn't actually true (bad Christians:whip: ) .Quote:
Tribe: They should both get more money, there should be enough to go around. My original point was that the Cathedral gets next to nothing from the government, which is what they claim. The Giraffe in the RAMM is in serious need of restoration though so they should get a grant just so that it stops frightening small children.
Now its OK to say they should get more money , but that means people pay more tax , unless you are going to take it from other projects .
This years allocation for the Cathedral is mainly for cosmetic jobs , make it look nice so it attracts more visitors which bring more income .
I know your issue with it is more on the structural side , two big problems there , its very expensive , though you could go the York or Lincoln approach and get arts /heritage funding plus CITB grants and have the large numbers of apprentices , which means you can also get part of the qualified masons wages grant assisted .
The bigger problem though is having the work done itself , it takes a long time , large portions of the structure will have to be closed entirely , others will be obscured by scaffold and sheeting . tourists don't want to see that so they won't come and spend money there .
The people who are currently distributing grants are doing it to get tourists in , they will be out of office or even dead by the time the work is finished . Now it might bea noble ideal that they have a long term vision on preserving the building for future generations , but the reality is they look as far as the next budget and the columns that say expenditure ....income . they don't like to see too big a figure on the expenditure column when there is a drop in the income column .
One other possible approach to increase the Cathdrals funds might be to get some really really good out of this world lawyers and attempt to renegotiate the property and land leases it has issued for pennycorn rates .
But those sort of deals are normally absolutely watertight so they had better be really really really damn bloody good out of this world lawyers , but lawyers like that would cost the earth anyhow:shrug:
It's funny, when I see something written on the wall outside a church I tend to believe it.:no:
Anyway, My issue is two fold:
A: The Cathedral is, as you say, not in good shape and in need of more than papering over cracks.
B: Labour does fund new building projects for other faiths but will not commit to preserving what is still the dominant faith's churches, not to mention their value as historical monuments.
It seems to me my position is perfectly fair and reasonable, which is probably why the government does not agree with me.
The goverment shouldnt fund religon period
It doesn't as such , it funds community cultural heritage arts and tourism projects .Quote:
The goverment shouldnt fund religon period
It does however give religeons tax exempt status as charitable foundations .
Tell you what Wigferth try a new approach , go York Minster on it , that gets a release of grant money pretty quickly .:idea2:Quote:
A: The Cathedral is, as you say, not in good shape and in need of more than papering over cracks.
Labour or Conservative give funds for new projects of all faiths if the project is eligible for funding , or for aspects of the building that are eligible .Quote:
B: Labour does fund new building projects for other faiths but will not commit to preserving what is still the dominant faith's churches, not to mention their value as historical monuments.
Now you touch on historical value , that (and tourism) are different departments , the main problem being that there are so many old churches/cathedrals to fund , plus when you have somewhere high profile like Salisbury (that any engineer will tell you should have collapsed when it was built ) constantly soaking up huge amounts of grant money to stop it falling down then it leaves the others with less money .
But look on the bright side if the £15 million project on Exeters Albert museum which is getting the £4 1/2 millon contribution from local taxpayers money this year is finished on time and on budget then maybe the Cathedral can get that slice of pie in next years budget , plus the restoration projects on two of Exeters old public parklands should be a one off so that is another slice that will be up for grabs next budget .
We still talking about funding here? I had understood that we would only be discussing me as a person, well in person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
But yeah, that stank
Your goverment must not be that religios. My school only gave us a week off for christmas break (Or as some people call it , "Holiday break" Ha). The only explanation is that they are a bunch of aethists