:sneaky: Interesting. Should I take this at face value or try to read between the, er, line?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pindar
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I see said the blind man.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
That was the intent.Quote:
I'm gratified to see the other posters scrutinizing "well". It's the tricky part of the posit, in my opinion.
"Well" is qualitative, informed by an eidos.Quote:
Unless "well" includes acceptance?
Nope , and the flaw in the postit (I invented those) has little to do with what you and Pindar seem to be focusing on in those last posts .Quote:
In light of that, I'd like to modify my answer. "The well educated man must be virtuous" therefore must be a true statement. Well being an adverb describing the adjective educated, meaning done properly. If an educated is not virtuous, than his education could not have been a successful one.
Ask yourself a question , a simple question ....
where would you find well educated men ?
I'm not sure I follow, Tribesman, but hopefully, one would find well educated men (and women for that matter) in all walks of life.
That is clear from this bit ....... in all walks of life.Quote:
I'm not sure I follow, Tribesman,
Remember a virtuous man must be open minded ~;)
So forget the academic side .
Where do you learn ?
when do you finish your education ?
Until you have finished your education you are not well educated , you are just on the road to it .
So ......where would you find well educated men ?
In the grave of course. Old Irish joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
I see. I actually thought that's where you were headed, then thought, nah, couldn't be that.
What point could you be making with that, that the only virtuous people are dead people? I never had you pegged as a nihilist.
Actually its a little bit Buddhist don't ya think:laugh4:Quote:
I never had you pegged as a nihilist.
That's Gaelic Zen for ya, Don; it is practiced only in obscure masonic lodges in Galway. ~;)
Aw come on Adrian , I did say "little bit":laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Though if we want to explore Pindars "well" as the key then that can be quite deep , it can often be rounded and well developed bringing sustenance and nourishment to the people .Quote:
That's Gaelic Zen for ya, Don; it is practiced only in obscure masonic lodges in Galway.
Though when I read the inevitableMe thinketh whateth doeth that Pindareth be oneth , Yeah verily it shalleth be writteneth .....yum yum James Browns music is so fulfillingeth .Quote:
A light shineth in the dark and the darkness comprehended it not
So it doth leadeth to a philosophical supposit .
Simple question pindar , a Very simple question , relative to the subject .
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Now that would be a bad thread. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Don't drop your fox hat, Arthur. The point of this thread was to see if education and virtue had gone separate ways. Like Pindar I am quite surprised they have become so thoroughly dissociated in peoples' understanding.
Why are you so surprised ?Quote:
The point of this thread was to see if education and virtue had gone separate ways. Like Pindar I am quite surprised they have become so thoroughly dissociated in peoples' understanding.
The thing is, realistically, was it ever?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
I mean, look at all those nobles; I'm pretty sure they were taught by the Great Philosophers who created the Great Philosophical Works of the world and they weren't turning up as virtuous men in any abundance. Not unless you define virtue through The Prince or something. I'd rather consider the disconnect to be natural as higher education is less and less "classical" and more professionally oriented than it used to be "back in the day."
I'm curious, though, what does the "well" in "well educated" mean?
It's irrelevant anyway. The questions wasn't whether virtuous people are alive or not- it was whether well educated people are virtuous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
I think this shift in understanding is really fascinating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
Define education. Define virtue..and go. Being a good man is doing whats right you need not be educated. I would go so far as to say being educated leads people more to currption becuase they lose that little voice that tells them whats "right"
The meaning of education was explained: "Educated refers to its etymological base: to draw, lead or bring out or up". Virtue refers to the moral.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Pindar, you used "coarse" instead of "course" twice in two different posts. Surely this was intentional. Or are you feeling a little rough around the edges?
I answered the question based on the pedagogical sense of the word, an immediately wondered if that was right. It is an interesting issue you raise. In Spanish, "educado" and "educacion" are direct references to a person's manners.
To answer the question directly, your statement in its absolute sense must be false, because good guidance does not always lead to virtue. But a good upbringing certainly increases the odds-- it would be hard to disagree with that.