They match exit polls with the actual results from the polled precincts. If they are close enough- they call it. Even without any significant vote tallies. Sounds fishy to me, but there it is. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
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They match exit polls with the actual results from the polled precincts. If they are close enough- they call it. Even without any significant vote tallies. Sounds fishy to me, but there it is. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
The Grauniad has New York at 99% Obama, 1% McCain. Is this plausible?
Indiana at the moment is pretty much 50/50 with the Dem heartland county's not reported in serious numbers yet .. . Same with virginia. I think he is gonna get both. Florida looks similar and NC, blimey looking scary if you're a Rep. *starts singing*
No, not plausible. Somebody is being silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Gah, I swore I wouldn't look at news until 8, and now I'm looking and there;s still way too much conjecture and "expert" opinion. I think maybe I need to tune out for another hour or two.
The Grauniad has New York at 99% Obama, 1% McCain.
So only Gawain and Spino voted for McCain ? :wink:
blimey looking scary if you're a Rep. *starts singing*
I think new labour 97 election song is entirely appropriate here....
THINGS... Can only get better!.... Can only get better!
*continues singing*
That will be of the precincts already reported. Pretty much 0% prolly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Wow. So he makes it a lot more expensive to have power, and then gives out even more money that that to cover the increased cost caused by the government's actions, with the net result of more people being dependent on the government.Quote:
So is this a stated policy position, i think not, many poor britons have still managed to have electricity and we are probably infront of america in our weaning off fossil fuels, so 1 claim 1 lie so far....
• Enact a Windfall Profits Tax to Provide a $1,000 Emergency Energy Rebate to American Families
One of obama's stated positions... poor americans everywhere will have a grands worth of energy...
And in these troubled times, let us not forget the wise words of Dave Barry, winner of the Pulitzer Prize:
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Dave Barry: And the winner is . . . the man with the martini
BY DAVE BARRY
In analyzing the results of Tuesday's historic election, the question we must ask ourselves, first and foremost, is: what the heck were the results of Tuesday's historic election?
I personally don't know. The Miami Herald made me send in this analysis before the election was actually over, so that it could be printed in a timely manner. This is part of the newspaper industry's crafty plan to defeat this ''Internet'' thing that has the youngsters so excited.
Anyway, my election analysis, based on weeks of reading political bogs, listening to talk radio and watching campaign ads on television, is that one of the following things is true:
• Barack Obama is our next president, which is very bad because he is a naive untested wealth-spreading terrorist-befriending ultraliberal socialist communist who will suddenly reveal his secret Muslim identity by riding to his inauguration on a camel shouting ''Death to Israel!'' (I mean Obama will be shouting this, not the camel) after which he will wreck the economy by sending Joe the Plumber to Guantánamo and taxing away all the income of anybody who makes over $137.50 per year and giving it to bloated government agencies that will deliberately set it on fire.
• Or, John McCain is our next president, which is very bad because he is a 287-year-old out-of-touch multiple-house-owning fascist who will rape the environment and build nuclear power plants inside elementary schools and reinstate slavery and create tax loopholes that benefit only people who own three or more personal helicopters, after which he will declare war on the entire United Nations and then keel over dead and leave us with commander-in-chief Sarah ''Flash Card'' Palin.
• Or, Ralph Nader is our next president, which is very bad because it means there has been a successful Klingon invasion.
• Or, the outcome of the election is being disputed because of irregularities such as unregistered horses voting in Ohio, or some Florida county tabulating votes in Roman numerals, or God knows what else, which is very bad because it means the next president will be selected via a giant Lawyer-Palooza court fight that will go on until it's time to hold the Iowa caucuses for the NEXT presidential election.
So basically my analysis is that, whatever happened, we are, as a nation, doomed.
Yep, there was probably just a small town that voted for Obama heavily.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
:laugh4: YES!Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Isn't there a law that if you fit into a certain category you cannot vote anymore which would mean Gawain can't vote .Quote:
So only Gawain and Spino voted for McCain ?
On the bright side, I'm now rich. And can be expected to be taxed as such.
On the minus side, well, I'll try to be a patriot and say I will support the new government as best as I can. I expect the worst.
Virginia is going to flip any moment now.
Makes sense, as even the Soviet Communist party struggled to get much above 90% in their elections. It's now at 74-25, which is a more realistic split than 99-1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
:yes: Agreed. 0% of some county's in Dem heartland reported! I mean, if its nearly 50/50 without his base in Virginia...Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I reckon the State will prolly end up 60/40 at the end of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
I wonder how many dead people will vote :vampire: :inquisitive:
Polling had it at 60-35 with 5 undecided prior to the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
West Virginia called by CNN. No surprise.
Ohio for Obama!!! Game over man, game over.
MSNBC just called Ohio for Obama. By my math, the election is over.
Jag- what's with the sudden surge in interest for US politics? Here to support your glorious comrade? :jester:
Election over. CNN gearing up for a "major projection" - I would guess Ohio.
Congratulations President Obama! Good choice America!
The Midwest is opening up, and Fox called Ohio for Obama - but CNN, ABC, CBS, and AP have yet to report. McCain just won West Virginia.
Wow. So he makes it a lot more expensive to have power, and then gives out even more money that that to cover the increased cost caused by the government's actions,
Well despite tony blairs big commitment to fight global warming the only thing that increased our energy bills was the ill advised foriegn policy of bush and blair, so i don't see why obama's plans would work any differently...
Isn't there a law that if you fit into a certain category you cannot vote anymore which would mean Gawain can't vote .
im missing something, i wasn't around when gawain left, is it something to do with non tax payment ? or a felony ?
On the bright side, I'm now rich. And can be expected to be taxed as such.
your income has suddenly jumped to 250k, great news, even with the reverse of bush's tax cuts your going to be alot better off!
Ohio for obama!!
Celebrate good times!!
Jag- what's with the sudden surge in interest for US politics? Here to support your glorious comrade?
Jag's always had a huge interest in us politics... you should have been here during bush's re election, i think he's jus less intrested in actually debating issues nw...
I havent really posted here since you have been a member here - but those who know me form here know I have always had interest in US politics - I was as heartbroken in 04 as I am happy now. I always stay up to watch the US elections - Midterms as well as Presidential ones. After all I studied Politics at Uni and I am just a politics geek, it is fair to say! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by makaikhaan
President Obama!!!! Woot!
I fear we're doomed!:sweatdrop::sweatdrop::sweatdrop:
By last count, "rich" was household income of 90k. Mrs. Corleone and I cannot afford to pay at a 39% income tax rate and keep our house. Enjoy it, I'll be busy burning down black churches according to Louis.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Congrats to Comrade Obama. Now the entire country gets to see what its like to live in Detroit or East St Louis. The world can now celebrate, your Messiah has risen.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Gah.
Well, there's still hope for Rossi, though that won't be settled tonight.
CR
This makes up for the heartbreak of '04
Arizona is tied!
This is a new dawn for american politics! obama is rewriting the landscape like reegan did!
New Mexico also for Obama!
Little hint to my fellow Americans, if JAG's celebrating an American election, it ain't good for America. Good night everyone....Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
No votes counted there :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
CNN CALLS OHIO!
Like I've said before, if nothing else, this proves once and for all MONEY WINS ELECTIONS. McCain deserved to lose for following public funding guidelines after Obama broke his promise to follow them.
Where are you getting your info? CNN shows McCain up by almost 20. Not that it matters since the urban centers aren't in, but its still a little early.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
CNN shows Obama up by 13..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Winter
Man and I thought you liked me?! :D :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
It's not as if I am a socialist or anything!
Doh!Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
:2thumbsup:
Tempted to sig... :tongue:
Well, in NJ Lautenberg crushed Zimmer. Looks like we'll have another 6 years of machine politics. I'm just bitter because Frankie screwed Rob Andrews over in the primaries... :furious3:
In other words, congrats to Barack Obama and let's hope he can deliver on his main themes.
CNN, i.e. TV, says McCain - 69 and Obama - 194.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
By last count, "rich" was household income of 90k. Mrs. Corleone and I cannot afford to pay at a 39% income tax rate and keep our house.
I guess it's lucky Obama disagrees on your definition of rich, and that he doesn't want you to have a 39% rate
The world can now celebrate, your Messiah has risen.
Indeed, the republican scourge that has infected the world for the last 8 years is over, the terrible foriegn policy which drove people in droves to the arms of our enemys is over, britian will be a far safer place without a strongman posturing in the white house and costing british lives, there will still be terrorists but without bush to drive them in thier hundreds to AQ britian will be several orders of magnitue safer
for this reason alone Obama is practically like a messiah, it is only in comparison to the former occupant of the white house
George W. Bush does not have the cleanest profile when it comes to that, does he ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I've always liked you, its your vision of the world that I don't approve of. But you still have an open inventation to stay at my house and go Civil War Battlefield touring.:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Nope, it won't be a Reagan-esque victory (check out the electoral maps from '80 and '84 - it was a complete blowout).Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Obama got elected by moving drastically to the right in terms of rhetoric, so I'd caution people who see this as America moving left or giving a mandate to liberalism.
CR
I meant in Ohio specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
The excuses begin...Quote:
Obama got elected by moving drastically to the right in terms of rhetoric, so I'd caution people who see this as America moving left or giving a mandate to liberalism.
Its a 15% now (website), not that it matters the cities should throw it to Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Deal my friend, I still plan on doing that at some point in the not too distant future too! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave
I think you are wrong, really wrong and I think unless the GOP look at realistically why they have got their asses handed to them, they will continue to get battered like this. Remember in the Mid terms they got kicked and then again this year they are getting kicked - that simply doesn't happen over there in your great nation. People don't like the GOP at the moment.Quote:
Nope, it won't be a Reagan-esque victory (check out the electoral maps from '80 and '84 - it was a complete blowout).
Obama got elected by moving drastically to the right in terms of rhetoric, so I'd caution people who see this as America moving left or giving a mandate to liberalism.
I like you Jag. I remember you from WAY back.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Don't take comments from the angry cave-troll department too seriously. They've got a lot less to be blisteringly viciously upset about than progressives do. You'd think we'd just come out of 8 years of one of the most fantastically left-wing administrations in history, instead of the right-wing inverse.
God forbid.Quote:
Obama got elected by moving drastically to the right in terms of rhetoric, so I'd caution people who see this as America moving left or giving a mandate to liberalism.
Agreed, the GOP needs to abandon the southern strategy, character assasination, fear tactic politics. The response the GOP has garnered to faltering public support for Republican candidates has been "I guess we didn't get vicious enough in our personal attack ads, let's imply he's a pedophile this time" and it didn't work.Quote:
People don't like the GOP at the moment.
Jag- I trust you've seen the map of Reagan vs Mondale? That was the very definition of a massacre. This already has proved to be far from that big of a win.
The reaction of the conservative members is understandable. Us lefties did the same exact thing 4 years ago.
Obama now has 24 hours to celebrate. After that, he has to start living up to the faith the public have put in him. He had better put up an excellent and bipartisan cabinet.
That was his re-election, but ya I get your point - his victory over Carter was similarily emphatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
But still, I think there is a movement, which underpins this like that Reagan victory. I think it would be unwise for the GOP to think otherwise, or to think they simply were not Conservative enough or that the people will simply just come back to them. I say again, 06 the GOP got a beating and AGAIN tonight they are gettign a beating even WORSE. That never happens. But it is.
Hey, its true.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Like khaan said, this is a far, far cry from the reverse of 1984.Quote:
I think you are wrong, really wrong
That is true, and this is a good article on what the GOP has to do:Quote:
and I think unless the GOP look at realistically why they have got their asses handed to them, they will continue to get battered like this. Remember in the Mid terms they got kicked and then again this year they are getting kicked - that simply doesn't happen over there in your great nation. People don't like the GOP at the moment.
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Republicans love to recollect Ronald Reagan, though they forget why. Reagan's strength was looking to the future -- and framing the issues of the day for Americans. When the focus had been balanced budgets, he made the issue the need for economic growth. When the debate had been détente, Reagan turned it into the need for a strong America. That tradition continued with the Contract with America, welfare reform, government reform, tort reform. George W. Bush tackled education.
Reagan's other great strength was not distinguishing between red and blue America. He offered a set of principles, and invited anyone who broadly subscribed to those principles into his political house. The result was that unlikely coalition of fiscal conservatives, defense hawks and social conservatives. These were the days of Reagan Democrats, of victories in states that now seem unwinnable to the GOP.
The further Republicans have moved away from this playbook, the further its fortunes have declined. The GOP was thrown out in 2006 because it had failed to evolve on the new issues facing Americans -- spiraling health-care costs, dwindling energy supplies, out-of-control entitlements. It spent its last years divvying up pork. As it has hit the electoral rocks, the party has also turned inward, harping on immigrants and gay marriage.
Yeh, this is nowhere near that race IIRC 500 and something against 10. The closest to that that Dems have ever come would have to have been Clinton.Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
Edit: Actually I'm silly the best the Dems have done would be LB Johnson.
Indiana is within 5000 votes with much of the north-west still to report.
We've had this exact discussion in several thread titles now over the last few weeks but I think there's still a hefty level of denial in the air. On both the macro and individual level there still seems to be a preoccupation with attacking what's wrong with the Democratic party instead of asking what could be wrong with the Republican party to be causing this total collapse of support for their platforms.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Louisiana and Kansas called for McCain by CNN. Iowa called for Obama.
Once again, I can't help but feel a bit sorry for McCain. He got ****** by Bush in 2000, and ****** by him again in 2008.
In truth, though, 2000 was McCain's year. If he had won the primary he would have won the general, and we would have had a much better President for the last eight years. But this was not his year.
Condolences to those who strongly supported McCain, and I humbly request that any and all calls for impeachment wait until the new President has served at least a week in office.
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Cr - I think that article is compeltely right in terms of how Reagan did what he did - but much more than that he came at a time when people wanted de-regulation and lower taxes. Now the fundamentals of the political state are compeltely different - more - better - regulation and a degree of fairer, more taxes - the answer. Palin made Hilary voters turn TO Obama - the moderate, conservative leaning Dems got pushed away by Palin. Independents got pushed AWAY by Palin. That kind of Republican will not wash anymore with, that is what the GOP have to deal with.
I would feel sorrier for McCain if he hadn't hitched his wagon to the same people who character assasinated him. His re-embrace of almost all the scary fringes and the of the Republican base and the Bush ideological hardline further alienated him from the many Dems who used to like him quite a bit, myself included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I agree with this completely. The problem with the Republican party is a very simple one. They've played around too much with the bait of ideology and have become too dependant upon it in order to win or excite their base. Republican platform over the last 12 years or more has been repeatedly trying to shove the square peg into the round hole, over and over, thinking that the square peg is what made Reagan great or Republicans respected. It wasn't the square peg (be it deregulation, tax cuts, corporate pandering, a contempt for social services, a demonizing of the poorer 40-90% of Americans as just lazy and unworthy of compassion or assistance, a contempt for the international community) as much as having a square peg when the hole was square.Quote:
Cr - I think that article is compeltely right in terms of how Reagan did what he did - but much more than that he came at a time when people wanted de-regulation and lower taxes. Now the fundamentals of the political state are compeltely different - more - better - regulation and a degree of fairer, more taxes - the answer. Palin made Hilary voters turn TO Obama - the moderate, conservative leaning Dems got pushed away by Palin. Independents got pushed AWAY by Palin. That kind of Republican will not wash anymore with, that is what the GOP have to deal with.
Campaigns have become a sad repetition over and over of "Square peg! Square peg!" with no one stopping to ask themselves if the holes of our time are square.
No Congressmen/women from New England for the Reps... I mean, that is crazy.
Yeah, the Kos is going crazy:Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1...829/688/653237
No surprise there! hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
One great piece of news - the abortion proposals in South Dakota and Colorado have been obliterrated.... Brilliant. It further shows that it is possible attitutes are changing. I dunno, good none the less.
The next test is if California will vote down the gay marriage ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
I've been checking the state website but apparently they aren't going to release anything until the polls are closed in 29 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Susan Collins?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
He means House members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
@ Koga - they aren't allowed to.
It would be nice to at least have preliminary exit polling info or anything. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Exactly.
I don't think exit polling tests propositions, because far fewer people vote on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi
Very well. Do you have a 21 minute sedative so I can wake up and see some numbers? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Coffee, or perhaps the Medicinal Marijuana Michigan just voted to legalise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi
Medical marijuana's been legal in CA for years, but it's really hard to get. Much harder to get than just going to someone who sells it illegally. ;) Plus you always stand the chance of being in a clinic and having a sudden Federal raid on it and getting assaulted. Not fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Graun now says that DC has a final result of 92-8 in favour of the Democrats. Is this plausible? I'm not familiar with the political landscape across the water, so I don't know whether these figures are realistic or not.
Just tell the cops you have some sort of serious contagious illness that only the marijuana can cure. They won't lay a hand on you AND you get the marijuana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi
Killing two birds with one stoner.
Yep, that's entirely possible. IIRC Kerry won with 89%. There are a lot of African Americans and civil servants in DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
I just want to put up my feeling of humble, slightly-astonished gratitude at the interest of non-US orgahs in our messy, lo-o-o-ng, nasty, convoluted electoral system.
I'm stunned to realize that some of you are up beyond midnight to watch results.
The system isn't perfect. And it's certainly not efficient. But it does work. And it works without gunmen in the streets, or tanks on the corner, or elections called off at the last minute by a governing faction, or results quashed by the incumbent. And in January, the Old Boss will shake hands with the New Boss on Pennsylvania Avenue, and we'll continue.
I've kept the TV off for now. Any numbers yet on projected voter turnout? I'm actually more interested that we get up nearer 80% of registered voters suiting up and showing up, than on the actual POTUS results. If we can get more citizens to exercise their franchise, I'll feel like my own (tiny) sacrifices in the military, and the HUGE sacrifices of millions of others, won't be for naught.
65% is the only statistic I've read, and that was only speculative.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Kukri, LA County is reporting upwards of 70%. And that's huge--- not only are we a state that typically votes after the election is already decided, but also usually have much lower turnout both because of that and because of the perception that CA is predecided anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
As CA said, it is the most single sided 'state' that has electors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Virginia called for Obama on CNN. Much tighter than the polls said it would be though. I am guessing the Undecideds broke in favour of McCain.
Pacific Coast about to close.
CNN calls Virginia for Obama.
-edit- Quick draw, CA. :smoking: