If bovine= cows then it could mean either Tincow or good ol Beefy
I demand change of vote at once!!
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If bovine= cows then it could mean either Tincow or good ol Beefy
I demand change of vote at once!!
Sorry about the late participation gents and lady,
Due to org database failure I was not able to participate yesterday.
Having a quick look at the game development, I must say that Askthepizzaguy, Tincow and the Reinkmaster is deliberately wanting attention.
I don't know what to make of it yet.
One thing I am sure of is when the Reinkmaster says he has a role, he usually does.
He has pointed to Tevashzat and accused him of being Mafioso. I can't see that Tevash has countered this allegation.
I also notice that Yoyoma is deliberately acting a tourist and needs to be checked out by any investigator in the game. Same with White_eyes?
I am not a follower of paranoia and getting rid of players based on previous games. Getting TinCow for his previous actions in the first round is just mean. True, he has put himself in the spotlight with his opening remarks, but Reeink claims a powerful role and names Tevashzat as a Mafioso.
Why not act on this? This would be the logic thing in a first round
(BTW.. why not show support for your own allegations Reeink?).
vote:Tevashzat
Boudica scratched her head and went back to studying the back of her Map of Ephesus. She had made a comprehensive list of all her fellow tourists on it; in order to make notes about their behaviour and already the cross-referencing and comments were making it resemble the scribblings of a schizophrenic maths genius.
Having listened to the gathered tourists for a while she noted that 9 of them still hadn’t spoken and 11 had only commented to vote for who they thought should be lynched.
Boudica erased the letter ‘L’ (for Lurker) that she’d had next to the names of CountArach and YLC, and changed it to an ‘M’ (for Mental).
With an inward ‘Doh!’ she realised that while she had made a note of who had voted for whom, she hadn’t listed in which order they had voted, and so spent the next five minutes worrying if that might be important.
Wondering how the hell she was supposed to make an informed decision about who to vote for she idly doodled a picture of a cockerel on her list next to Reenk Roink’s name.and randomly picked from those who were still lurking:
Vote: Jolt
New Tally (assuming – as was implied - that ‘bovine’ is TinCow):
TinCow = 3 (GeneralHankerchief, RR, Ignoramus)
LordWinter = 2 (TC, Flax)
WhiteEyes:D = 2* (Caius, AtPG*)
Reenk Roink = 2 (WE:D , TevashSzat)
YLC = 1 (CA)
Askthepizzaguy = 1 (187Beefyz)
CountArach = 1 (YLC)
boudica = 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
TheFlax = 1 (ED)
Caius = 1 (I-K)
Ibn-Khaldun = 1 (woad&fangs)
El Diablo = 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir = 1 (glyphz)
Jolt = 1 (boudica)
TevashSzat = 1 (Sigurd)
Abstain = 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
Hosts' tally:
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 4 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink)
Lord Winter : 2 (TinCow, TheFlax)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Tevashzat, White_Eyes:D)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
CountArach : 1 (YLC)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
TheFlax : 1 (El Diablo)
Withe_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Tevashzat : 1 (Sigurd)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
Abstain : 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
Not voted : everybody else.
Note 1 : if you use a nickname, please make it clear who you mean (by putting the username of that person in brackets or spoil tags)
Note 2 : Lord Winter informed me that he won't be able to be online this week, but he'll be able to play after that; as such I will not WoG LW for inactivity in this first week.
Note 3 : I understand ATPG wanted his night vote to count, but rules are rules. You have to vote during day time. Idem dito for night orders: they have to be sent during night.
vote: Reek Roink
For being an apparent a**. Dunno, was gonna vote on Sigurd again, but decided to lynch RR.
Please, let's try to avoid making posts that smell like something that resembles something personal.
Also, I prefer :daisy: over a**
Flowers are lovely, they smell good and they make me happy.
:bow:
Unvote: Lord Winter
Vote: Reek Roink
Pure self preservation vote. Will switch elsewhere if another option pops up, since I don't think he's a wise target right now.
Vote: Pizza
Before that nice young student died, he specifically told me he didn't trust the Pizza Place around here.
He seemed like such a nice boy wih a a good future ahead of him.
*snaps a photo of the giant viking pointing a finger at him.*
Sigh, no offense townies, but you need to open your minds a bit...
Has it ever occurred to you that a pro-town person has quite a bit of tools to help the town but is also quite insane and encouraged to act in that manner?
I'm getting the same reception as last time from a lot (to those who are thinking on it more: :bow:). What should be a fun role is instead met with the same suspicion. That's the one part of Mafia I don't like. It's OK to have all sorts of poor reasons to vote for people as long as people ACT normal...
Roleplaying rarely works in this game, which is a darn shame. :no: :shame:
Now my hand has been basically forced and if I'm not lynched I will probably be killed by the Mafia. Whatever.
Like I said, RR, I don't consider you a good lynch. If you would like to propose an alternate target, we could both switch our votes off each other and perhaps do something more useful for the town.
Oh hey, it's ok there little lady/man...
Here if it makes you feel any better:
unvote:Pizza
Vote:tevash
...I now seem to usually vote for him on the first round anyway.
*snaps a photo of the nonman.*
Gotta show that one back in Peoria too.
I don't see any reason to lynch Tincow right now in this game, the reasoning for his lynch is poor. Reenik has made him an obvious lynch target with his posts, I wouldn't mind if the day ends with his demise. For now I'll put another candidate in the race, and see how things developes.
Vote: Tevashzat
Sorry Reenk, but your forcing my brain to think in certain pattern to deal with you, and I don't like being forced to think in a certain way - I get vengeful. Also, so far your voting behavior does not add up with what you are saying, so I'm not going to vote how you ask me too until you start living up to what you say.
Too early to tell about the Reenkster. When he's awake and playing, he's like this. When he's not, he's a near total lurker.
Tincow is a devious sort, but we shouldn't hold that against him.
Best reasoning so far was Sigurd. I'll follow that.
Vote: Tev
So....
Reenk Roink : 4 (Jolt, Tevashzat, TinCow, White_Eyes:D)
Tevashzat : 4 (Quintus, Seamus, Sigurd, Yoyo)
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 4 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
CountArach : 1 (YLC)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
Lord Winter : 1 (TheFlax)
TheFlax : 1 (El Diablo)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
Hmmm....about the Reenkster, I have been right the past two games about having suspicions over wither he was Pro-town or not...but for some reason I think he is Pro-town or neutral....(I might have gone insane....thinking that....but oh well....:shrug:)
Unvote:Reenk
Vote:Tevashzat
Tevashzat : 5 (Quintus, Seamus, Sigurd, Yoyo, White_Eyes:D)
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 4 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink)
Reenk Roink : 3 (Jolt, Tevashzat, TinCow)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
CountArach : 1 (YLC)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
Lord Winter : 1 (TheFlax)
TheFlax : 1 (El Diablo)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
compared to me your lucky, are you looking for sympathy unduely?Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Tincows self-preservation vote is suspicious, players say its a random vote but it doesn't seem it to me, certain vote ideas are without explanation.
And Reenk is just your easy vote, townies are voting without thought, if andres is a crafty game host he'll have destroyed towns poor strategy before long, hope you don't mind me interfering, but i'd give reenk a chance, having said that i wouldn't vote tevash yet until you have more evidence either way (also andres i am allow to contribute still aren't i?)
And i'll :Dead vote: Tincow :clown:
Unvote:Tevashzat Vote:Tincow Ares makes sense....Tincows weird self-preservation vote, stinks of Mafia....:whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
Now that I have time to think on it, I'll...
Unvote: CountArach
Vote:TevashSzat
Anyone who willingly goes to their death in mafia is a fool. There seems to be this absurd notion in mafia games that townies should be happy to die. I see no advantage whatsoever to townies letting themselves get lynched. That's one less vote for the town and one less target that the mafia have to kill off. If you want to hold my desire to remain alive in the game against me, so be it. I have never been, nor will I ever be, content to simply be lynched if there is any possible way to avoid it.
But this with your also over-exaggerated behavior makes a caseQuote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
And is it coincidence that YLC changes his vote after tincow gets more votes than tevash? he votes for tevash when tincow is in danger, to re-even it, could YLC be linked with tincow?, this with YLC's "sypathy votes" when he doesnt seem that unlucky makes him a secondary suspect to me, if he was to be mafia, i would then vote against tincow or vica versa, I'm happy i was took notice of by white eyes :2thumbsup: but i am non the less a dead man, and i've been wrong in the past so listen at your disgression.
Basically YLC changing his vote right after white eyes to save tincow is scum of the earth behavior to me, and if he doesnt give detailed justification or re think, i would say tincow and YLC could just be mafia
Please explain what over-exaggerated behavior I have engaged in.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
And there you would be wrong Ares - stop trying to find clues where there are none. I almost never pay attention to the tally, and I vote however I please. Sigurd's post got me thinking again about why one should vote for Tevash - if Tevash is mafia, then the town scores a victory, however minor it may be. If Tevash is not mafia, then the suspicion falls upon RR, which if he is mafia, was a pointless move.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
I don't think TC is mafia, I think TC is playing the way TC plays, nothing more. The thing about mafia is is that each person holds an opinion on what each players, based on role, should play like. Discard this notion immediately - it is in your best interests.
you can't kill me again YLC :laugh4: a threat just increases the suspicionQuote:
Originally Posted by YLC
near start with ATPG, who indicates you all have weird roles no one else can understand, which doesn't exactly comfort me eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
That was called humor. If you're not aware, I'm somewhat fond of making up role PMs, particularly amusing ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
:laugh4:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, put this round out of its misery. :wall:
It was never a threat Ares, although it can be taken that way. I was informing you to abandon this idea mafia should play this way, and town should play this way, etc. It's in your best interests to try and analyze the situation, not the people. Each player plays differently and has different perceptions on how the game should be played.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
Your jumping on TC because of a specific overall belief he has - should I vote for you on the sole basis of a specific belief you have?
no because voting for the dead is illegal, this isn't just a belief in playing, but your sudden vote clinches it to me, it's not like there are many leads, and thats as good as any, he must have expected something with all his attention seeking, and no im judging behavior not the person, i know your usually kind to me in mafia game, but that doesn't mean i can go easy on a suspect :grin:
Unvote TheFlax
Vote TevashSzat
...and Reink you're next if this proves to be a bad lynch.
(prays that all his years of schooling helped him get the right your or you're. :laugh4:)
Okay guys seriously, what the hell is with the bandwagon on me?
I can guarantee you that Reenk is lying at least in regards to me because I am a townie, but I bet half of the guys who just bandwagoned on me are mafiosos so yeah.....
How would you guys react if I just started saying that I have a good source who says Tincow is a mafia member?
Thus, I will Unovte, Vote:Tincow because I am trying to act out of self preservation and wanting to lynch Reenk later in the game.
I believe atm, Tincow and I are both tied at 6 votes each
@Sigurd
What is there to counter other than he made an arbitrary accusation? I am a townie, there is nothing for me to counter because he has no evidence other than "his word." In fact, no one has any evidence against me, but are all bandwagoning on because "Reenk said so"
Oh, also FOS: Sigurd, Seamus, El Diablo, White_eyes
I do not trust RR at all, so I would not like to see Tevash dead because of his words.
On the other hand, we have Tevash tied with a known strong mafia player who knows every trick in the book about fooling the town. He may be innocent in this game, but thats a risk I am not willing to take.
Vote: Tincow
As I am now no longer in the lead, I can return my vote to the best lynch candidate.
Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Lord Winter
Tevashzat : 6 (Quintus, Seamus, Sigurd, Yoyo, YLC, El Diablo)
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 5 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Jolt, Tevashzat)
Lord Winter : 2 (TheFlax, TinCow)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
Correct Tally I think:
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 7 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, Tevash, shlin28)
Tevashzat : 6 (Quintus, Seamus, Sigurd, Yoyo, YLC, El Diablo)
Lord Winter : 2 (TheFlax, TinCow)
Reenk Roink : 1 (Jolt)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
Yeesh, so much for that. The above list is wrong due to posts while it was being written.
Unvote: Lord Winter
Vote: Tevashzat
-Nevermind-
New new new tally:
TinCow (aka Bovine) : 7 (GeneralHankerchief, Ignoramus, FactionHeir, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, Tevash, shlin28)
Tevashzat : 7 (Quintus, Seamus, Sigurd, Yoyo, YLC, El Diablo, Tincow)
Lord Winter : 1 (TheFlax)
Reenk Roink : 1 (Jolt)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (Beefy187)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Caius : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir : 1 (glyphz)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
The logic is that if townies make no noise as they go then we can easily tell if we have got a member of the mafia - mafia are going to kick up a stink about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
That is a very bad strategy. Doctors and Detectives also kick up a stink about being lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Detectives can reveal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
they may also at least try and reveal if it means saving themselves, which hasnt been done, shockerQuote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
The sarcasm is not needed. The point TC is making is that lynching on the basis of wanting to live is a bad way to go on about it - in his opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
Because I'm neither. I was simply pointing out a flaw in his strategy, not claiming a role. I am just a normal townie who is being lynched largely because I won 2 of my last 4 mafia games. While it is somewhat flattering, it is also annoying because it has nothing to do with how I actually play in this game. I don't mind a retribution lynch for Netherworld and Midgard (and I'll admit I might deserve it), but please try and get it out of your systems now and try and judge me on my actual gameplay in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
I havent a clue about your other games, i assure you im not interigating you on your previous success, im oblivious to it
Let's look at the case against me, shall we?Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
First, GH votes for me because of my previous games.
Then Ignoramus and FH think I'm suspicious because I'm trying to do as little harm to the town as possible.
I don't care or protest at this point, and TheFlax even agrees with me on my vote.
Then Reenk Roink votes for me simply to save his own butt.
This now puts me over the top based on pretty much nothing, so I defend myself and vote for Reenk Roink.
Then people get upset because I defended myself, ignoring that RR did the same thing first. Somehow RR is ignored in all of this and Tevashzat, likely a hapless victim of RR's games, is the one in competition for the lynch. He votes for me out of self-preservation as well.
Finally, I'm nicely bookended with yet another vote due to my previous games.
So, of 7 votes against me, 2 are because of my previous games and 2 are for self-preservation. That's a very nice case you've built against me. Kudos on your detective work. :thumbsdown:
I hope both of them get killed. I'll personally kill the survivor. :bow:
Wow...I am a bit floored TC...I feel I must ow try harder in my mafia games :sweatdrop:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
you hadn't adequently defended yourself before this point, so don't blame me :shrug:
Oh come on, you yourself have said that the first round is nothing but randomness and chaos. I was thinking about taking my vote off of you but not after this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
IMO, your vote is the most valid one on me, simply because it was random. What started as random turned into a bandwagon, and thus I've had to defend myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Generally a strong mafia player makes a strong townie aswell?Quote:
On the other hand, we have Tevash tied with a known strong mafia player who knows every trick in the book about fooling the town. He may be innocent in this game, but thats a risk I am not willing to take.
..and no I am not defending my "scummy pal". He has just got bandwaggoned for no reason other than he was a good mafia in other games - not this one. Good players should be kept (but watched closely) as he may also be able to spot mafioso mistakes???
What I don't understand at this point is RR "revalation" and what that means.
1. Perhaps RR is a detective style role and luckily got investigated Tev with a positive result. Possible but he does not seem to be flat out calling for a lynch - particularly when he then votes for TC who he has not even "investigated".
2. Perhaps RR gets something from being lynched (like the Troy McClure from ATPG Simpsons)? he could be a neutral of some sort?
3. He is a bored townie and is just fooling around in the first round knowing that it really doesn't affect too much as no know knows alot at this stage.
4. He is mafia. Unlikely as he has made himeself a big target early. Usually not a good idea - but could be the old WIFOM tactic?? Very very risky.
In his posting he seems to make himself non-townie - once again a neutral? They can often turn bad later so...
Unvote Tevashzat
Vote Reenk Roink
Now those that think I am protecting TC may note that my vote change may infact lynch him.
But I feel it better to try and get what I feel is at the least a neutral rather that trust his call with a Tevashzat or a bandwaggoned TinCow.
Voting concluded.
Stand by for execution.
Yeah, I was right the last two games about Reenk.....:book: Hopefully, I am right this time and Reenk is Pro-town or at least neutral....:sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
BTW, YLC....you helped Reenk win a Mafia game because you held to life, like a 'Rat being flushed down the toilet'....and you still think that Tin Cows clinging to life is helping town? (I have no mercy on him since Ares got killed....I feel sorry for him.....thus, until Tin Cow is lynched or I am killed I will not remove my vote on him:wink:)
but what if im wrong? :sweatdrop:
well if he is mafia ylc probably is, if he isnt then ylc is probs innocent, though andres might not tell
The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 1 - Conclusion
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Ephesus - The Ancient theatre - 8.00 pm.
The gathered tourists shouted and yelled.
It was getting hot. 40 °C in the shadows.
The debates got heated as well.
Reenk Roink, Tevashzat and TinCow were at the middle of the attention.
Finally, the crowd pushed Tevashzat and TinCow forward.
"Lynch Tevashzat, he's got a scummy face and some guy claimed he was sure about his guilt", one group of tourists yelled.
"No, lynch TinCow! I've heard rumours he hails from England. England + cows = madness. Aren't we looking for a maniac? It's him."
The crowd kept yelling and pushing both men until the athletic man, who had spoken earlier that morning stood up and raised his voice.
"Shut up! It seems like you guys can't make up your mind." He held something in his hand. It had a silvery shine.
"I found this ancient coin. I suggest I flip it. If it's head, it's TinCow, otherwise, it's Tevashzat. Agreed?"
The crowd approved and thus, the man flipped his coin.
While the coin was floating in the air, somebody raised his voice: "Wait, I've changed my mind. I no longer think Tevashzat is guilty."
***Suddenly, time stopped and a cloud appeared and a golden light shined over the theater. A loud voice could be heard:
"What? I had this whole story ready about a crowd looking at a coin and guys pushing each other and something happening and then you're going to make a last minute vote change? Gah!"
The cloud disappeared again and time continued.
***
The athletic man turned his gaze at TinCow.
"Ok then, it seems like you're the one who is going to die. Any last words?"
TinCow looked around him.
"You are all crazy! Crazy! I'm an innocent man! If you dare to lynch me, then I'll, I'll, I'll... I'll sue you all!"
"Yeah, yeah," the athletic man said and he kicked TinCow in the face.
As soon as he hit the ground another man took a large rock and threw it at TinCow's skull. Another one did the same and within minutes the crowd was kicking and hitting TinCow's already dead body.
After the crowd was calm again, one man said: "Now, sue us!"
The gathered tourists laughed.
"Let's hope we got the scumbag! Good night all".
And so, the tourists walked away, hoping for a peaceful night...
While the tourists where still whispering and talking about the past events, a gentle breeze tried to cover the coin under the sand again. Before the coin disappeared however, a man grabbed it and put it in his pocket.
***
Tally:
TinCow : 7 (GH, shlin28, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, Tevashzat, FactionHeir, Ignoramus) :skull:
Tevashzat : 6 (Quintus.JC, YLC, Sigurd, Yoyoma, TinCow, Seamus Fermanagh)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Jolt, El Diablo)
boudica : 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Jolt : 1 (boudica)
White_Eyes:D : 1 (Caius)
Askthepizzaguy : 1 (187Beefyz)
YLC : 1 (CountArach)
Ibn-Khaldun : 1 (woad&fangs)
Lord Winter: 1 (TheFlax)
Caius: 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
El Diablo: 1 (Chaotix27)
FactionHeir: 1 (glyphz)
Not voted : 4 ('khaan, Rythmic, Askthepizzaguy, Lord Winter)
***
Alive (28)
boudica
GeneralHankerchief
Jolt
seireikhaan
Rythmic
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
Reenk Roink
White_Eyes :D
Tevashzat
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC
YLC
Sigurd
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
TheFlax
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
FactionHeir
Seamus Fermanagh
Ignoramus
Killed (1) :
777Ares777
Lynched (1) :
TinCow
WoG/Suicide (0):
It's now night. Night will either last until 19.30 or until 24.00 (GMT +1; RL may interfere).
PM's please :bow:
Good night town :devil:
PM from YLC (earlier before the lynch - Time: Today, 11:34 AM Eastern)
Also Andres please kill TevashSzat (I see no need to PM you with my powers and such).Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
You could have left the other half of the message out RR, that was a of a much more personal matter that had nothing to do with the game at all. And stop pulling things that consistently make me rethink my position on you - I have enough things that induce headaches.
Ok my mistake about the second personal part of the PM. I must admit that I actually did not read your PM before this. Just skimmed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
I do apologize for the personal part. :shame:
Also, you are too modest in your personal part anyway and I am happy you are rethinking your position. :laugh4:
A bit of advice for the town:
1) Never consider anyone to be a proven townie. In the first game, some townies could become mafia in the middle of the game if they were discovered by one of the mafia families. These townies did not know that they could be recruited before then, they thought they were just normal townies. When they were 'flipped' they were given the choice of changing sides or dying, which is no choice at all, especially since being mafia is fun. Thus, people may be legimitately playing as townies early on, and still be true mafia later. On the positive side, there were very few people who could do this.
2) If you find yourself in a day phase with no decent leads to go on, lynch ReenK Roink. If he's telling the truth, he's a neutral role, and they're never good for anyone but themselves. If he's lying (most), he's screwing over the town with his games and it'd be better to lose him than a more producive townie.
3) Don't form townie groups. If you've got actual information or interesting theories, post them publicly. Making info public helps the town. Keeping it private hurts the town. Trust me, I know.
Okay, if we got a detective PLEASE INVESTIGATE REENK ROINK
He is either
a) A mafioso trying to pull something off, which means he should be lynched
b) Some vigilante/neutral role which won't help townies at all meaning he should be lynched
c) A townie just playing games and not really helping guys, which means he should be lynched
If anyone thinks that I am not a townie, feel free to investigate me, I have nothing to hide
Agreed. This makes this mafia harder for the town..:sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Im out for whole day today so don't expect me to be active. :bow:
Please fill us in more on your plan YLC - what do you think he is?
Trying to protect him from mafia won't work when he ends up lyched for being too suspicious...
I am actually very disappointed that I continue to receive this reception from the town. When I got my role I thought long and hard about exactly what I should do while staying true to what was expected of me. I decided to immediately start the game out like it to make myself plain and known.
Not only has the town's reaction to me completely screwed my mission, it forced me out of character, taking away a lot of the fun of the game for me as well.
Last time I was Loki, I turned my back on the town that turned it's back on me. Needless to say things are different now. One day, long after this game is all said and done, you guys (the chosen ones) will look back and appreciate my inscrutable ways...
Andres, please scratch the previous plan. I will send you a PM with my new actions and the new direction I am going to take. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Actually, I PMed TC before he died with my theory, but he died before he could respond, so now I get to bother you all with it.
Now, what does the town think? As an aside note, if my theory is true, Reenk also may have the ability to kill as well as investigate - this would add up, since it was Günner and Fehrad were our killers on night one - the reference to "do you have the package". Bernard should also be able to kill, yet there was no kill, and Reenk immediately accused Tevash of needing to be lynched - thus, Tevash, if Reenk is Bernard, is Manfredo. Although this leaves Isabelle, Günner and Fehrad unknowns for now, unless we consider that whoever Isabelle is, she might have the restriction of voting for whoever Bernard votes for - so check where Reenk voted, and look at those who voted after him, and be sure to check after he revoted as well, someone revoting would be telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Your "inscrutable ways" doomed your plan from the start. Telling us to do something in a game based on suspicions, and you do not expect us to question your motives? Come down from on high and mingle with the sheep, Great Shepard. Taking someone for granted in these games is a sure fire way of losing it all together in this game of lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Your theory fails miserably because as soon as I got a majority vote on myself, I unvoted and voted TinCow. Please keep trying to understand the ununderstandable though, it is the little bit of fun left for me in this game. :laugh4:
No, I do not see how my theory fails. The part about Isabelle being restricted to vote where Bernard votes unto itself is flimsy, but possible. I am only listing possibilities, not definites. Also, I asked for input, nothing more. Your repeated attempts to talk about yourself in the third person though during the beginning of the game mean you ARE Bernard (I think...:sweatdrop:, I have no idea where that came from, but yeah...). Or your not familiar with the English language...Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
What kind of reception would you have preferedQuote:
I am actually very disappointed that I continue to receive this reception from the town. When I got my role I thought long and hard about exactly what I should do while staying true to what was expected of me. I decided to immediately start the game out like it to make myself plain and known.
Again, prey tell what we should we treat you like?Quote:
taking away a lot of the fun of the game for me
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Originally Posted by TinCow
I disapprove of TinCow's lynch. If I recall, he gets lynched early in a bunch of games.
He's a good player, from what I've seen. He will be missed and I hope he stays and gives his opinion as the game progresses. TinCow could have been a bad role or a good one, there's no way to know at this point, or perhaps just a townie. I would have rather seen his voting patterns.
Second, I agree that Reenk's behavior is out of place. I agree with self-lynch in the cases where someone is an Actor role, or lynch immune. Otherwise it's... ahem... :whip: BAD TOWNIE BEHAVIOR.
For that reason, I ask for his head. No hard feelings Reenk, just my opinion.
Third, if you're going to vote for me, keep your vote on me. Either lynch me or don't. Since I cannot be here everyday, I will be missing some of the votes. And since I've already shown up during two night phases, where I am useless to town, that's not points in my favor. What I intend to do is reverse the pattern, so I am here for the town's votes and not here at night, and for the people who KNOW me, that absolutely proves my innocence because I am literally gone every two days and as Andres said, that means I cannot send in my night orders, if any.
Alright on second thought it could be a good cover, but still counterproductive, objectively speaking.
I'm not going to be as "distracting" as I was earlier, before the game really began for town. At this point I will be more serious, respond to questioning, etc, give my opinion, but there's too many other people here and not enough to go on yet. Still, I disapprove of Reenk's strategy, whatever it may be, and if he's got a self-destructive roleplaying role, it could still prove to be a distraction.
I can understand if Reenk is a townie and had a role and wanted to roleplay, but I still would suggest that his importance to the game, if any, be kept hidden from the mafia, or from the town who would potentially lynch him. It was bound to happen and Reenk is experienced enough to know this.
Reenk, at least you will get to laugh at us if we're wrong, but you're not behaving in a way I can accept from an innocent townie... especially after admitting your "role". If you're trying to get the mafia or the town to lynch you as opposed to someone else, it's working, but I also consider that potentially bad strategy, IMHO.
We'll see.
By the way, if YLC's Bernard theory holds true, I want to claim right away that I am not Isabelle. You can investigate me, but I'd prefer you not waste it. Just lynch me instead. I know my analytical style is distracting and I also know that nobody trusts me, so either lynch me and be done with it, or let me speak.
Spoilers, because of WIFOM reasoning.
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I'm still mulling over whether I want to claim a role that I don't have to get the mafia to kill me. Which is interesting, because I'm basically daring the mafia to kill me. If town leaves me alive, the option to kill me becomes ever more intriguing... and they will waste a kill on a useless townie.
And because I just said that, and I'm known for using reverse psychology, I'm hoping they think I am bluffing and will kill me anyway.
*awaits his glorious murder death... please be sure to include lots of gory blood.
If Day phase starts soon, I can vote, but I won't be here all day, no pun intended.
Yes I know this post is lynch bait. Sorry... basically that's how I play. Those of you who have played with me know that.
Why post PMs? >_> (n00b question.)
Anyways, when I meant RR's seemed like an a**, I meant he seemed like an arc. Noah's didn't smell nice though, with all 'em animals sutffed in there. :)
EDIT: Why would anyone try to get himself lynched?
There's no way I'll be able to be here for the vote, once again.
:shame:
Reenk, you might be off the hook at this rate. I have to leave, won't be back in time for the vote, but what I'll do is I'll probably skip being at home for the night phase as well, and will get back for the next day cycle and be in synch with the rest of you. And if I'm dead, then I'll just haunt you.
Muhuhuhahahhahaaa!!!!
And point my finger of suspicion at those I think are eeeevil, and why. No worries.
EDIT: @jolt: Actor roles win when they get lynched. I doubt this game has an Actor.
Lynch immune roles can prove their innocence by being lynched... proof to some extent anyway. I sincerely doubt Andres puts roles like that into a game like this.
Self-lynching is bad for town, as it kills a townie on purpose who should know better... with due respect to Reenk, I'm sure he'll set me straight afterwards due to his greater experience. If a mafia self-lynches, then it's also bad for town, because we might start to think the guy is innocent when he might not be, and take his advice like a bunch of fools. Surely we should realize self-lynching is bad townie or risky mafia behavior in most cases, and that's why I suspect it.
It's not a very successful tactic, but it's been known to happen. As with everything in mafia, there are always exceptions to the rules (and commonly accepted strategies).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt
Trying to get yourself lynched is exceedingly risky, but in general it's a good idea for mafioso to draw attention to themselves early on in a game. This increases the likelihood that they will be investigated by a detective during a couple turns when they intentionally choose not to kill, thus 'clearing' them somewhat. The key is to draw enough attention to ensure a detective investigation, but not enough to get lynched. Intentionally voting for your own lynch is a bit of a blunt way of doing this, but it's certainly a viable method.
Later on in the game, getting lynched intentionally can be a good strategy if you think you're about to die anyway and can use your own death to help a fellow mafioso stay alive. In this situation, usually the other mafioso is the main person attacking the person about to be lynched. This is a bit easier to spot than normal, because it depends greatly on the lynched mafioso's real identity being found out pretty quickly, since the identity being confirmed 3 turns later won't provide the same benefits. Since most mafia games do not provide immediate details on the role of a lynched person, this usually means that the lynchee confesses shortly before the time limit is up when all looks 'hopeless.' This then confirms the correctness of the lynch, which in turn makes the mafioso who is leading the prosecution look like a townie.
...Oh. Nice explanation. Since I didn't have an idea about what happened in the day phase (Other than mafioso kills).Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
EDIT: What's WIFOM?
From the FAQ:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt
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WIFOM: Stands for "wine in front of me" a reference to the scene from "The Princess Bride". Describes a situation where you go in an endless loop without reaching a conclusion, e.g. "He voted for himself and mafia care about living so he can't be mafia but he knew we would think that so it's a clever ploy so he is mafia but he knew we knew he knew..."
Lynching Tincow could prove costly in the future....
Seriously Reenik needs to be checked. The case against Tevash was poor, the case against Tincow was even worse. Should Tincow been town then we have just lynched one of our most valuable players.
That dire doom and gloom prediction smells of fabrication. Townies need not be so afraid at this early stage.
People still respect and listen to TinCow. I may even take his direction as to who to vote for, should he make a case for someone.
The pessimism and warning you just posted makes me think you are putting on an act. :smash:
So sayeth the Pizza.
*Sigh*
I just don't get these local customs.
To what are you referring?
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
*takes a photo of the talking pizza slice, with cape*
Like, where's the Starbucks kiosk?