The Catilinian Conspiracy [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

This game is getting silly, I'm bored. Wonder where my sisters are...

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Shall we commence with our usual exchange of insults, then?

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Originally Posted by White_eyes:D

What is your opinion on what has happened so far?:book:

@Csargo:I just want people to talk without putting too much pressure on them. Would you like it if I went with pressure-lynch votes instead?:shrug:

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Well, the blip called Roman on my scumdar exploded with activity on his first post. Sure, I wasn't probably going to play... but why lynch the inactive rather than ask the host to look for a replacement? Sounds like someone wants one less senator to have to kill.

That's about it I suppose. Flaxy and YLC did vote for me too, but that was more of a "Meh, screw it, there's no one else to kill" vote to me than "Double A? More like Double Die! MUHAHA!" thing.

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Originally Posted by Double A

Well, the blip called Roman on my scumdar exploded with activity on his first post. Sure, I wasn't probably going to play... but why lynch the inactive rather than ask the host to look for a replacement? Sounds like someone wants one less senator to have to kill.

That's about it I suppose. Flaxy and YLC did vote for me too, but that was more of a "Meh, screw it, there's no one else to kill" vote to me than "Double A? More like Double Die! MUHAHA!" thing.

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YLC and I voted to exile you, not to kill you, because we figured (at least in my case) that testing exile on someone who hasn't shown up was worth a shot. Besides, the fact you were absent doesn't make you less likely to be scum.

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

I don't exactly understand what it is you want. I am sorry if you were not satisfied, but what exactly do you wish me to further explain? I can repeat my simple reason for voting you, but that seems a tad pointless when you can re read my previous reply.
I wanted to mention my thoughts on the exile/lynch possibilities, and yes perhaps it should have been done in a post for it self.

As for the "why didn't you vote people who voted for a lynch"; I don't see why I would do that? I have an idea that exile seems the best solution but it does not make it correct. I am sure not everyone shares this oppinion, but you think I should force my views upon others by voting them until they were agreeing?
I voted for you because of your late bandwagon and nothing more. You seem very upset about that vote, and I guess that's why you wish me to have a grand theory of who is guilty, at this early stage of the game.

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Actually, I understand the why you're voting for me and no I'm not expecting a grand theory or anything, I just found the whole thing explaining you preference for Exilium rather odd. Perhaps I wasn't clear about that? Most of my questions were either because I was curious or wondered how you were going to react. No I don't think you should vote for people to force your views on them, I just thought it a bit dissonant you are voting for someone who wanted to see what Exilium does instead of people bandwagonning for a Tullanium. I'm not very upset about the vote and I haven't an issue with your reasons for voting me. Again, at first I just want to probe a bit, which I usually do when people vote me and your Exilium preference statement tweaked me.

probably the reason why there's no tally is because of the quirky nature of this voting system.


Exilium: 5

Exilium Flax: GE
Exilium AA: WE
Exilium Sec: (2) Sec, AA
Exilium Bes: Byz

Tullanium: 9

Tullanium JHT: (4) ATPG, Csar, Bes, YLC
Tullanium GE: (2) TF, Rom
Tullanium Bes: Joo
Tullanium YLC: JHT
Tullanium DE: WH

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Originally Posted by Double A

Well, the blip called Roman on my scumdar exploded with activity on his first post. Sure, I wasn't probably going to play... but why lynch the inactive rather than ask the host to look for a replacement? Sounds like someone wants one less senator to have to kill.

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Rather it sounds like someone who does not want to worry about inactive players in the endgame. The "One less senator to kill" is a bad argument, we would have one less, no matter who is lynched, assuming Tullanium is the method voted for.

Your scumdar exploded because I voted for YOU and you can't deal with this logically.

Btw, I find it rather curious that you chose to come back from a Civ V exile to be around the Senate. Perhaps there's a better explanation to this than what you said. Where we you last night? :annoyed:

Meh my long reply died so I'm just going to sum it up:

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I'm pretty sure you weren't exiled from what the end day phase write-up says. CB may have to make that clear unless you recieved a PM stating otherwise. Did you?

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Originally Posted by Romanic

What do you mean by "recall" you?

Exiled people can be recalled, but you are not one. Day 1 ended in a "no decision", so why should we recall you?

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Yeah my mistake, I was low on sleep, high on civ5, and I have a memory with more holes than a sieve. I'm as surprised as you :shame:

Winston, my situation in Parasite was wholly different; I was guilty and probably everyone knew already, so I just tried to bargain for information; the worst thing that could happen was the status quo; that I didn't find out new things.

Anyway; I'm not exiled so I can vote. Tullanium: TheFlax
I simply don't see your case on GE.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Tullanium: YLC

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Why?

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Because in the words of David Byrne he's talking a lot but he's not saying anything. Clearly he's a Pyscho Killer.

Round Over prepare for write up

Exile
GodEmperor
White Eyes
Secura
Double A
ByzantineKnight

Tullianium
ATPG
Csargo
Theflax
Jooray
Beskar
YLC
Romanic
Johnhughthom
WinstonHughes
DiamondEye

Votes
Johnhughthom ATPG, Csargo, Beskar, YLC
Double A White Eyes
GodEmperor Theflax, Romanic
Beskar Joooray, Byzantine Knight
Secura, Secura, Double A
YLC, Johnhughthom
DiamondEye Winston Hughes
TheFlax DiamondEye

The Senate Session is once again called to Order. This time a decision has being made a decision that would change the course of Cicero's life in the future. As the day progresses it becomes clear that the death of Crassus has spurred the Senate into action someone is to die this day it is just a question of whom. The debate rages on with many candidates being put up to the Senate including one brave or some would say suicidal Senator votes for themself. However when the sun begins its downward way towards the horizen one candidate is clearly in front. Various Senators give reason that range from past indiscretions and that he was a young man and thus the type who would follow Catiline. Other Senators defended his indiscretions saying that it was the foley of youth and that he was no traitor. Once the debate petered out Cicero gets up to speak.

Publius Clodius Pulcher you are hearby sentenced by the Senate to death for treasonous acts againest the Republic of Rome you are to be taken to the Tullianum Prison where you are to be strangled untill you are dead. You will be morned by no man of Rome the only person to morn your lose will be your wife, I do mean your sister I am sorry I do not know why I keep making that mistake. You are guilty of far more crimes than that of treason you broke into my own house and defiled the sacred act of Bona Dea. You who dressed as a woman you who took the toga of a man and turned it into the outfit of a whore. You are a disgrace to Rome. My fellow Senators it is not so strange that he thinks us rustic, who are unable to provide ourselves with a tunic with sleeves, and a mitre, and purple bands. But you Pulcher are a most witty man; you are really elegant; you are the only well-bred man, who look well in woman’s clothes, and with the gait of a singing woman; who know how to make your countenance look like that of a woman; to soften down your voice, and to make your body smooth. O extraordinary prodigy! O you monster! are you not ashamed at the sight of this temple, and of this city, nor of your life, nor of the light of day? Do you, who were clad in woman’s attire, dare to assume a manly voice,—you, whose infamous lust and adultery, united with impiety, was not delayed even by the time required to suborn witnesses to procure your acquittal? Did you, when your feet were being bound with bandages, when an Egyptian turban and veil were being fitted on your head, when you were with difficulty trying to get down the sleeved tunic over your arms, when you were being girdled carefully with a sash,—did you never in all that time recollect that you were the grandson of Appius Claudius? Did you not, even if lust had utterly deprived you of all common sense what a unroman sight you were. what shame you brought to your family! Do you Pulcher have anything to say in your defence.

With this Pulcher stands to give the last words of his life. He knows that regardless of what he says there will be only one outcome so before he dies this controversial man has but one more controversy to bring up. He looks over at Caesar and says quite simply

My good friend Caesar your wife was most excellent infact all the wives of all the senate are fine Women indeed. I have done many things in my life but there is one thing that I would never do and that is betray the Republic. I only have the wants of the common man in my heart and that is what I fought for in my life. I am dissapointed in the Senate. I bid you farewell I shall see you all soon for I suspect many of you will be joining me before too long. With this he snaps at the guards to take him away to his death. A stunned silence spreads throughout the hall with all the men of the Senate looking at Caesar he stares straight forward looking at no man then suddenly stands up and strides outside the Hall. With this the second meeting of the Senate is over who will live to see it's third?

JohnHughthom (Publius Clodius Pulcher) is dead

Begin Night Two


15/17
Johnhughthom
Beskar
Romanic
Double A
Joooray
Csargo
Saskai
ByzantineKnight
ATPG
TheFlax
DiamondEye
WInstonHughes
GodEmperor
Autolycus
White Eyes
YLC
Secura

John was a womanizer?
Sorry for the link. I'm trying to fight it. :shame:

Bah I had hoped it was a tv tropes link :laugh4:

it would seem we need to read the write ups to know if a person was innocent or not.
JHT was apparently innocent

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

Bah I had hoped it was a tv tropes link :laugh4:

it would seem we need to read the write ups to know if a person was innocent or not.
JHT was apparently innocent

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It was well known that he was a political rivial of Cicero if not mafia, he was recuitable.:book:

I also see why Cicero said he was sleeping with Caesar's wife and his own sisters.:laugh4:

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Cicero's accusations of sexual profligacy against Clodius, including the attempt to seduce Caesar's wife into adultery and incestuous relations with his sisters.

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

Bah I had hoped it was a tv tropes link :laugh4:

it would seem we need to read the write ups to know if a person was innocent or not.
JHT was apparently innocent

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

John was a womanizer?

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Fixxed.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Rather it sounds like someone who does not want to worry about inactive players in the endgame. The "One less senator to kill" is a bad argument, we would have one less, no matter who is lynched, assuming Tullanium is the method voted for.

Your scumdar exploded because I voted for YOU and you can't deal with this logically.

Btw, I find it rather curious that you chose to come back from a Civ V exile to be around the Senate. Perhaps there's a better explanation to this than what you said. Where we you last night? :annoyed:

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If you haven't noticed, trivial things like "LOGIC" don't score very high on my preferences chart.

Also, about why I'm suddenly playing: CB "reminded" me in GSTK over on TWC that there was something I should be doing.

Also, I, uhm, haven't bought Civ V yet...

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Originally Posted by Double A

Also, I, uhm, haven't bought Civ V yet...

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Translation:

I haven't nagged mommy into buying it for me yet.

The org thinks I still want to multiquote stuff that I've already posted responses too -.-

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Translation:

I haven't nagged mommy into driving me to Gamestop yet.

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I have learned not to multiquote on this site. I reply with quote in a new tab, and then cut and paste all into one post.

Sad, but it is actually faster.

Dear ___,

4.

Catiline

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Dear ___,

4.

Catiline

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FoS: Sasaki

I suspect there's a conspiracy afoot... :holmes:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

FoS: Sasaki

I suspect there's a conspiracy afoot... :holmes:

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Pizza, this is Sasaki we're talking about. That's like saying "Hmm, I sense there is dirt on this ground."

I suspect that my joke was too subtle. Think on it more.

Would I have had to get Sasaki's joke to get yours?

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Originally Posted by Double A

Would I have had to get Sasaki's joke to get yours?

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:bounce:

Hiding in plain sight.

I KNOW you can get this....

Does it have to do with piracy?

I didn't really want to bring it up because GH doesn't want us to talk about that.

Here's a clue Double A: ^ :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

Dear ___,

4.

Catiline

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Double A is #4 in the player list. :inquisitive:

Sasaki: How nice of you to join us, perhaps you could be a little more precise with your dialogues?

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Here's a clue Double A: ^ :laugh4:

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Double A is #4 in the player list. :inquisitive:

Sasaki: How nice of you to join us, perhaps you could be a little more precise with your dialogues?

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And the fourth letter in paranoid is a! Which is also the fourth letter in YOUR name!

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Originally Posted by Double A

And the fourth letter in paranoid is a! Which is also the fourth letter in YOUR name!

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:wall: The clue was : ^

The 2nd part of my post was meant for Sasaki.

Yet you addressed it to him after the quote.

Also, that was a joke.

GAHHHHH

The game is called the Catilinian conspiracy.

Sasaki/CATILINE posted something.

I quoted it and suggested there might be a CONSPIRACY afoot.


It's much funnier now that I've explained away all the humor. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

GAHHHHH

The game is called the Catilinian conspiracy.

Sasaki/CATILINE posted something.

I quoted it and suggested there might be a CONSPIRACY afoot.


It's much funnier now that I've explained away all the humor. :laugh4:

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Hey.. wait?? what... ?

Could you eleborate?

I don't get unfunny jokes :sad:

Hence the "^" clue, pointing at the post title, "Catilinian Conspiracy" :smug2:

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Originally Posted by Double A

I don't get unfunny jokes :sad:

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I give up. I refuse to be mafia in a game where no one laughs at my jokes.

I'm mafia, and I'm going to kill, um.... Double A tonight.

/ragequit.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I give up. I refuse to be mafia in a game where no one laughs at my jokes.

I'm mafia, and I'm going to kill, um.... Double A tonight.

/ragequit.

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HA! NOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL!

The two killers are once more lurking the streets of Rome they see that Publius Pulcher was executed that very day as they walk past the Tullianium they smile for the senate is doing their own task for them soon enough the Senate will execute all their own men. The two figures break off at the foot of Mons Palatinus with one of them climbing the Hill and the other heading for the gates of Rome. He is leaving the city but whatever could he be leaving it for. He goes through the gate there are many people going to and fro he will not be remembered by the watch or by anyone. He slips into the army camp just outside of Rome. This is no ordinary camp; it is the camp of Pompey Magnus the most powerful man in all of Rome and the finest military mind in Rome. His death will make things much easier for Catiline and thus one of his men will do anything to accomplish the task of killing the Butcher Boy. The man is wearing his old military uniform there are some many Legates in Rome it is impossible to remember all of them so he makes it through the watch unchallenged. He walks to the tent of Pompey were Pompey is entertaining some people with a dramatic re-enactment of the great siege of Jerusalem and of his entry into the Great Temple of the Jewish Faith. The others have become clearly quite bored by the whole affair as Pompey was never one to be humble. One by one they wish Pompey good night and depart. With Pompey all alone it is time for the assassin to strike. The assassin pulls out his blade walks behind Pompey and decapitates him with a single strike of his blade. The assassin then sleeks away like a cat back to his own bedchamber.

Winston Hughes (Pompey Magnus) is dead

Meanwhile on the Mons Palatinus the other assassin is readying for his own bloody business. He enters the house and unlike the other house that he saw this one displays the great wealth of its individual however there are some key differences. This house contains not fine artwork or sculpture but it contains manuscripts from the greatest minds in the entire world. This house is a library to knowledge itself. The assassin creeps past the busts of the great men of Athens and Rome to the study where he sees a collection of speeches written by the man himself Quintus Hortensius Hortalus plus his work on history. Hortensius is a great friend of Cicero and his death will upset Cicero very much this is why he will die. For if the assassin cannot strike at Cicero he will strike at all the allies of Cicero. The assassin pulls out a cord of rope raps it around Hortensius’s neck and strangles him.

Askthepizzaguy (Quintus Hortensius Hortalus) is dead

The next morning the Senators arrives to see more notes up on the Senate Walls
“Trust the voices."

Cicero gets up he is clearly shaken Hortensius was a good friend of his. He was the best kind of friend the type who always kept you on your toes for his you were slightly off with your oration he would pounce. Cicero gets up says a few words and opens the Senate up once more for debate.

Day Three Begins

What sound like important people are dropping like flies! I think it's worth giving the letters a try; Tullianium: God Emperor.

Nooooooo ATPG :sad:

Tullanium:Joooray

Tullanium:Double A

He think he has the cojones to out-cojone Pompey Magnus.

If possible, I would like the thing between YLC and Secura explained, here or in private. Whatever floats your boat.

for now a bandwagon pressure on Double A will do. Tullanium: Double A

Thanks, I admit this game had me confused and I really didn't know where I was going with it.

Probably could have killed someone better, though. :wink:

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

If possible, I would like the thing between YLC and Secura explained, here or in private. Whatever floats your boat.

for now a bandwagon pressure on Double A will do. Tullanium: Double A

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Calling for a bandwagon of pressure for what purpose?

Also, FoS: Beskie for giving a reason for voting me as poor as Somalia.

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Originally Posted by Double A

Also, FoS: Beskie for giving a reason for voting me as poor as Somalia.

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Reasons that are as poor as Somalia and barbarian tribes, are better than no reason at all.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

PS. When do you make a pressure vote, do not call it a pressure vote. It defeats the purpose of the vote.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

What sound like important people are dropping like flies! I think it's worth giving the letters a try; Tullianium: God Emperor.

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Yay, I second that. Vote: God Emperor.
Why do you vote me, Cicero?

Oopsie:laugh4: anyway I wanted to have to double A speaking a little.

I spoke with Diamondeye and he said we were really missing leads. I agree, and the best way of removing that obstacle is by having people making posts

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Originally Posted by Joooray

Yay, I second that. Vote: God Emperor.
Why do you vote me, Cicero?

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I believe you are one of the killers. Don't you have anything more to add than "Yay, I second that."?

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

What sound like important people are dropping like flies! I think it's worth giving the letters a try; Tullianium: God Emperor.

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I have to say, something tweaked me about this. Not only its a complete shift from yesterday, but now that its written "Trust the voices." you're inclined to give more credence to yesterday's message? I don't see what's changed since then or where you out of leads?

Tullianum: Diamondeye

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

Oopsie:laugh4: anyway I wanted to have to double A speaking a little.

I spoke with Diamondeye and he said we were really missing leads. I agree, and the best way of removing that obstacle is by having people making posts

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Well, uh, here I am?

What do you want to know about GSTK?

I trust Cataline more than "the voices". His gut feeling's are worth a shot;
unvote; Tullianium: Joooray.

@TheFlax; God Emperor already explained part of what led me to vote for him. We won't know whether that clue was worth anything or not if we don't check it out. When I placed that vote, I was aware that we were without any proper leads with what looks like the most important townie roles dropping like flies. I reasoned that a poor lead was better than no lead at all andd that we can't really rely on powerroles as both Crassus and Pompey are already dead and we're only on day 3.

I still think God Emperor is a valid lynch. If he's worth saving, he can always publically roleclaim if there's enough pressure on him.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I believe you are one of the killers. Don't you have anything more to add than "Yay, I second that."?

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Well, I'm not one of the Killers, I can assure you of that.
Also, I did not have more to say at the point. To further explain my vote:
We might have interpretations concerning the letters, but we haven't put them to the test yet, so since we have no other leads to go with, we might as well try it out now. If those messaged are truly Catilinia's doing, I doubt he knew GE was a powerful pro-town role at the time and thus wanted him eliminated. I think we no more to loose than lynching any other persons at this point.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

I trust Cataline more than "the voices". His gut feeling's are worth a shot;
unvote; Tullianium: Joooray.

@TheFlax; God Emperor already explained part of what led me to vote for him. We won't know whether that clue was worth anything or not if we don't check it out. When I placed that vote, I was aware that we were without any proper leads with what looks like the most important townie roles dropping like flies. I reasoned that a poor lead was better than no lead at all andd that we can't really rely on powerroles as both Crassus and Pompey are already dead and we're only on day 3.

I still think God Emperor is a valid lynch. If he's worth saving, he can always publically roleclaim if there's enough pressure on him.

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So you defend your vote on GE, but vote me?! :thinking:
Also, I'm not sure the people killed were necessarily all important roles. We are all powerful senators with powerful background after all.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

I trust Cataline more than "the voices". His gut feeling's are worth a shot;
unvote; Tullianium: Joooray.

@TheFlax; God Emperor already explained part of what led me to vote for him. We won't know whether that clue was worth anything or not if we don't check it out. When I placed that vote, I was aware that we were without any proper leads with what looks like the most important townie roles dropping like flies. I reasoned that a poor lead was better than no lead at all andd that we can't really rely on powerroles as both Crassus and Pompey are already dead and we're only on day 3.

I still think God Emperor is a valid lynch. If he's worth saving, he can always publically roleclaim if there's enough pressure on him.

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You are really inconsistent. I don't get why you vote me, when you the round before spoke against it, as TheFlax points out. And then you change for joooray for no apparent reason(?).
Unvote; Tullianium: Diamondeye

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Originally Posted by Double A

Well, uh, here I am?

What do you want to know about GSTK?

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I frankly just wanted to know who you found suspecious. You FOS'ed Beskar for voting you? :o

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Originally Posted by Joooray

So you defend your vote on GE, but vote me?! :thinking:
Also, I'm not sure the people killed were necessarily all important roles. We are all powerful senators with powerful background after all.

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True, but even then, I have trouble thinking up any contemporary person who could match Pompey or Crassus, except Caesar.
And yes, I am keeping my vote on you because Cataline thinks you're one of the killers. I haven't said my doubts about GE have been resolved (they haven't), just that you're currently more interesting.

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

You are really inconsistent. I don't get why you vote me, when you the round before spoke against it, as TheFlax points out. And then you change for joooray for no apparent reason(?).
Unvote; Tullianium: Diamondeye

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"no apparent reason"? I think I made myself perfectly clear on this already; the clue against you was really weak, but worth investigating. Now, since Cataline has gone verbal (thanks!), I consider his suggestions better than an anonymous suggestions. How is this inconsistent?

As to accusing you; I wanted (and still want to) know whether we should pay any attention to these notes. With no clues that were any more solid, I settled for it today after seeing what I perceive as two powerful protowns murdered. If nothing else, It'd serve to pressure you (especially if others jumped in as well), and while I could see you reacting this way as town, I must say you're definitely flinching here. The late OMGUS vote doesn't help.
I'm not saying you're guilty, but it's definitely a possibility.

I don't want to build lofty castles here, but I also think the kill pattern thus far could be something you'd do, but that's pure speculation, of course.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

True, but even then, I have trouble thinking up any contemporary person who could match Pompey or Crassus, except Caesar.
And yes, I am keeping my vote on you because Cataline thinks you're one of the killers. I haven't said my doubts about GE have been resolved (they haven't), just that you're currently more interesting.



"no apparent reason"? I think I made myself perfectly clear on this already; the clue against you was really weak, but worth investigating. Now, since Cataline has gone verbal (thanks!), I consider his suggestions better than an anonymous suggestions. How is this inconsistent?.

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Freudian slip?? :inquisitive:
Thinking of the one you are actually following?

Anyway, even if it was an honest mistake, Cicero is also just shooting in the dark, just like any other. So blind obedience like yours seems suspicious to me.

Yes. . First of all, I don' think cataline is our friend :p . you must have mixed up the names.
As for your vote on Joooray, on second thought, it is not a bad vote. The protagonist most likely knows his protectors, so he would not vote for them thus joooray is actually a good vote. My appologies.

As for the post on the senate wall, as you all have guessed it is a fake.. In some manner at least. I am not a mafia, but the post was put on the wall was put by my 'enemy' Winston huge. This is my theory at least. I could do the same (posting on the wall) but I chose not to, as I feared it would backfire as his did. I believe his goal was similar to mine, which was that we should have each other lynched. I decided to wait attacking him with acusations until later in the game, but that didn't prove necessary as he was killed last night. My goal is to survive and I asked the host if my role could be viewed as neutral, where the reply was yes. I hope this helps :)

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

Winston huge

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Well, I don't like to boast... :wink3:

Winston-Hughthom.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Well, I don't like to boast... :wink3:

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:laugh4:

Hey guys, sorry I disappeared, Minecraft took my life, soul, and sleep away for the past few days ;D

FOS: Diamondeye Catilina cannot be trusted.. I know you meant Cicero but perhaps as Joooray said... you were so used to speaking of Catalina in a friendly context it just came out like that...

But i'm also inclined to 'jump on the bandwagon' in voting Joooray because I'd tend to trust Cicero's intuition... not to mention he's the only one alive that we can fully trust... but until I decide one way or another I think I'll just leave it at Vote: Exileium

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Well, I don't like to boast... :wink3:

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haha. sorry didn't check the name before typing:laugh4:


@ Byzantine, you forgot to add the name of the person you wanted to vote for :)

I made a post yesterday before going to bed, and it's not there anymore. :angry:

Tullianium: Double A

The N1 attack on Cicero does not make sense, he was invulnerable. Only someone not following the game could have done this, and Double A fits the profile.

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

@ Byzantine, you forgot to add the name of the person you wanted to vote for :)

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That was the point, I havn't decided which of the two appear to be more scummy yet :P but I still support Exile above killing because we can win either way and I think its safer to exile someone (as long as its not Caesar or something) then to kill people

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Originally Posted by Romanic

The N1 attack on Cicero does not make sense, he was invulnerable. Only someone not following the game could have done this, and Double A fits the profile.

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This is a good point, but I have to ask... what if someone attacked Cicero purposefully to throw suspicion onto players who may not be paying attention?

I accept the nitpicking. Of course I meant Cicero.
Keeping my vote where it is, and as Tullianum. I don't know how much to think of exile.

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Originally Posted by Secura

This is a good point, but I have to ask... what if someone attacked Cicero purposefully to throw suspicion onto players who may not be paying attention?

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Far-fetched but possible... I guess, but would the mafia lose a kill on purpose to make it look like someone isn't paying attention? It was night 1, they'd have to be on serious pressure to come up with a frame like this (or otherwise, why do it at all?)

Double A and Diamondeye were leading the votes on Day 1, so it would make sense only for Diamondeye, but he's also been acting like he's not following the game (~ start of day 2, DE asked to be recalled when he was never exiled). It doesn't make sense for either pressured player to act like this, waste a kill to remove the pressure because both can be seen as not following the game anyway.

I don't think it's a frame, but maybe there's another explanation why they attacked Cicero.

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Originally Posted by Secura

This is a good point, but I have to ask... what if someone attacked Cicero purposefully to throw suspicion onto players who may not be paying attention?

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Even then, it would still be a dumb move. As there is no benefit in doing such a move.

unvote; vote Tullianium: Diamondeye;

I'll explain in next post.

This round has being extended it is Grand Final Day Take 2 and I am going so the write up will be at 10 PM EST.

I voted Diamondeye because he's been acting weird since the begining.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

Is simply Tullianum: Sasaki too simple to work?

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First vote after the game started, Diamondeye votes for Sasaki. That's a sound vote, against Catiline, but apparently he doesn't know Catiline cannot be lynched yet.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

Unvote: Sasaki, Exile: Csargo
I don't understand your vote on me. Why tullanium on day one?

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Csargo/Cicero voted for him, and Diamondeye counterattacks with an OMGUS vote. Voting for Cicero is odd, we know Cicero cares about the Republic. And I think there's no way Diamondeye could not have known that Csargo was Cicero given he knew Sasaki's identity.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

I guess my first townie game for as long as I can recall is a good game to die on day 1 in. Do we have a :cigar: smilie on this forum?

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3rd post: We see DE saying that this is his first game as a townie in a while. It's very unclear if he's trying to convince us that he is townie, or if he's really a townie. Could be 50/50 really. The whole comment is odd though. It's a dangerous thing to say, and a townie could have thought twice before making this comment, as it could bite you back later in the game. As a mafia trying to save your life, the comment makes sense, even if it let you live one more day and at that point, DE was ahead of the tally and could have been trying to save his life.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

I suggest we recall me, seeing as there have been plenty of murderous business. Also, the hell, Crassus gone on night one? Tough jerkey.

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On day 2, he looks like he doesn't know about not being exiled?

I don't get how you can think that, Diamondeye. Even your explanation (having played Civ V too long) does not justify why you thought you were exiled. To believe this, you would need to read somewhere that you were exiled. The writeup had no such thing, and the final tally had you tied in votes with Double A. There's no reason why you would accept this idea. You would have read the writeup, check if you received a PM saying you were exiled / and looked what being exile means etc..

I can't find any reason why you thought you were exiled! This must be an act.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Tullanium: Diamondeye

He's acting like a baffled townie who isn't paying close attention to the thread, but I think he's overplayed it. And there's something about the earnestness of his posts that reminds me of other times he's been mafia (Parasite: Earthbound, for example).

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^ Winston picked on that but he was killed immediately. Now this could be a frame attempt or it could be a bold move by the mafia.

Another reason why I moved my vote from Double A to Diamondeye is because I don't know when the deadline is, and having a triple way tie (DE 2, Double 2, GE 2) is not a good idea. We cannot lose another lynch because of a tie.

Untullianium; Tullianium: Diamondeye

I suspect he also posted that message about God Emperor as well.

He was already one of the two i suspected and Romanic's reasoning is sound... So...

Exillium: DiamondEye

:laugh4: I guess people can't remember how I play when I'm town. Please, for the sake of our chances of victory, don't think I'd act like this as mafia. You have plenty of examples; As Mafia, I stay as low as possible until the end game.
I know this is WIFOM, and Romanic's arguments are good; I am acting different than I'm used to. But I've been mafia in all the latest games you have to base my behaviour off.

The only thing I hadn't already realized in that post was that my OMGUS was against Cicero... I just voted that way because it looked to me like Csargo was pouncing on me to get an easy lynch...
Unvote; Exilium: Joooray. Perhaps we can exile me now, then? :tongue:

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

:laugh4: I guess people can't remember how I play when I'm town. Please, for the sake of our chances of victory, don't think I'd act like this as mafia. You have plenty of examples; As Mafia, I stay as low as possible until the end game.
I know this is WIFOM, and Romanic's arguments are good; I am acting different than I'm used to. But I've been mafia in all the latest games you have to base my behaviour off.

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Unless you were planning on changing the way you played so you could use that excuse as backup... So it doesn't really mean anything...

REound over prepare for write up

Exilium: Secura

Tullianium
Csargo
Beskar
GodEmperor
Joooray
TheFlax
Romanic

Exile
Byzantine Knight
DiamondEye


GodEmperor Joooray
Joooray Csargo
DiamondEye, The Flax, GodEmperor, Romanic, Beskar, ByzantineKnight
Joooray DiamondEye

As the day draws to a close it once again becomes clear that the Senators of Rome wish for blood to be spilt this very day. However who is it to be that dies this day the Senators yell for the Curule Aedile to be brought before Cicero. It appears that the Senators may be giving a warning to Caesar for this man is a very good friend of his even if politically they are diametrically opposed.Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinther rises up and looks his accusars in the eyes. He is not a man that backs down from a fight and this will be the fight of his life. Cicero begins to speak.

“Romans one and all we have a traitor standing here in our midst and I strongly believe that Spinther is a creature of Catiline. How else could we explain his conduct over this year. When he put on his gladitorial games this year he wore the colour of tyranny he set himself up as King of all Romans. Plus I have it on good knowledge that not only did he murder his father and poison his brother but he killed them both for money. What we have hear is a dancer! Spinther dances from here to there. Spinther is often found in the company of whores and actors. The final act of depravity with Spinther is that he commits buggery as the female of the relationship.

With this a roar of laughter passes over the Senate.

“Lictors take him away to be killed and may the Gods see you safely into the afterlife

DiamondEye ( Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinther) is dead

Begin Night 3

Well, according to my messenger honourable Wiki Pedia, Spinther, though having a questionable clothing taste, was supporting Cicero. So he is most likely not part of the group of people we seek. :sad:

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Originally Posted by Joooray

Well, according to my messenger honourable Wiki Pedia, Spinther, though having a questionable clothing taste, was supporting Cicero. So he is most likely not part of the group of people we seek. :sad:

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Is that so, Sherlock? I could've told you :laugh4:
Nevermind, I was in the gallows from day 1, it was just a matter of time. My townie curse, I guess :shrug:
Good luck to you, fellas.

JHT's and Diamondeye's lynches are very different if we compare them. In one it looks certain that JHT is on the Republic side, and in the other Cicero is convinced that Diamondeye is a Catiline acolyte. I don't know if we must trust the history to figure out who was a bad guy, maybe Spinther was indeed mafia.

@Secura: What are you doing? You voted yourself a 2nd time.

There is alot of mystery over who actually was part of the Catiline conspiracy historically. You could probably make a case for most of the roles that are in the game.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

@Secura: What are you doing? You voted yourself a 2nd time.

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Secura seems determined to get exiled and its a little weird... I'm almost inclined to give up Exile and vote Tullianium: Secura next time...

@Secura is that part of your victory condition or something? Are you Caesar?

Maybe she does want to be exiled, but that's a strange way to convince us, specially after the warning we received on the Senate walls.

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"Exile not the man who would be king, lest he return in triumph."

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I think it means that the dangerous people to exile would be those in charge of the army, since the army was allowed within the city walls. Being exiled, they could come back in control the army, this means mostly Julius Caesar or Pompey (dead/Winstion).

Anyway, with 2 kills per night, I don't see how we can afford to exile anyone.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

I think it means that the dangerous people to exile would be those in charge of the army, since the army was allowed within the city walls. Being exiled, they could come back in control the army, this means mostly Julius Caesar or Pompey (dead/Winstion).

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If so, my joke was actually a mechanic of the game. :laugh4: