The Catilinian Conspiracy [Concluded]

[Diamondeye]

So you defend your vote on GE, but vote me?!
Also, I'm not sure the people killed were necessarily all important roles. We are all powerful senators with powerful background after all.

True, but even then, I have trouble thinking up any contemporary person who could match Pompey or Crassus, except Caesar.
And yes, I am keeping my vote on you because Cataline thinks you're one of the killers. I haven't said my doubts about GE have been resolved (they haven't), just that you're currently more interesting.

You are really inconsistent. I don't get why you vote me, when you the round before spoke against it, as TheFlax points out. And then you change for joooray for no apparent reason(?).
Unvote; Tullianium: Diamondeye

"no apparent reason"? I think I made myself perfectly clear on this already; the clue against you was really weak, but worth investigating. Now, since Cataline has gone verbal (thanks!), I consider his suggestions better than an anonymous suggestions. How is this inconsistent?

As to accusing you; I wanted (and still want to) know whether we should pay any attention to these notes. With no clues that were any more solid, I settled for it today after seeing what I perceive as two powerful protowns murdered. If nothing else, It'd serve to pressure you (especially if others jumped in as well), and while I could see you reacting this way as town, I must say you're definitely flinching here. The late OMGUS vote doesn't help.
I'm not saying you're guilty, but it's definitely a possibility.

I don't want to build lofty castles here, but I also think the kill pattern thus far could be something you'd do, but that's pure speculation, of course.

[Joooray]

True, but even then, I have trouble thinking up any contemporary person who could match Pompey or Crassus, except Caesar.
And yes, I am keeping my vote on you because Cataline thinks you're one of the killers. I haven't said my doubts about GE have been resolved (they haven't), just that you're currently more interesting.



"no apparent reason"? I think I made myself perfectly clear on this already; the clue against you was really weak, but worth investigating. Now, since Cataline has gone verbal (thanks!), I consider his suggestions better than an anonymous suggestions. How is this inconsistent?.

Freudian slip??
Thinking of the one you are actually following?

Anyway, even if it was an honest mistake, Cicero is also just shooting in the dark, just like any other. So blind obedience like yours seems suspicious to me.

[God Emperor]

Yes. . First of all, I don' think cataline is our friend :p . you must have mixed up the names.
As for your vote on Joooray, on second thought, it is not a bad vote. The protagonist most likely knows his protectors, so he would not vote for them thus joooray is actually a good vote. My appologies.

As for the post on the senate wall, as you all have guessed it is a fake.. In some manner at least. I am not a mafia, but the post was put on the wall was put by my 'enemy' Winston huge. This is my theory at least. I could do the same (posting on the wall) but I chose not to, as I feared it would backfire as his did. I believe his goal was similar to mine, which was that we should have each other lynched. I decided to wait attacking him with acusations until later in the game, but that didn't prove necessary as he was killed last night. My goal is to survive and I asked the host if my role could be viewed as neutral, where the reply was yes. I hope this helps :)

[Winston Hughes]

Winston huge

Well, I don't like to boast...

[Beskar]

Winston-Hughthom.

[ByzantineKnight]

Well, I don't like to boast...

Hey guys, sorry I disappeared, Minecraft took my life, soul, and sleep away for the past few days ;D

FOS: Diamondeye Catilina cannot be trusted.. I know you meant Cicero but perhaps as Joooray said... you were so used to speaking of Catalina in a friendly context it just came out like that...

But i'm also inclined to 'jump on the bandwagon' in voting Joooray because I'd tend to trust Cicero's intuition... not to mention he's the only one alive that we can fully trust... but until I decide one way or another I think I'll just leave it at Vote: Exileium

[God Emperor]

Well, I don't like to boast...

haha. sorry didn't check the name before typing


@ Byzantine, you forgot to add the name of the person you wanted to vote for :)

[Romanic]

I made a post yesterday before going to bed, and it's not there anymore.

Tullianium: Double A

The N1 attack on Cicero does not make sense, he was invulnerable. Only someone not following the game could have done this, and Double A fits the profile.

[ByzantineKnight]

@ Byzantine, you forgot to add the name of the person you wanted to vote for :)

That was the point, I havn't decided which of the two appear to be more scummy yet :P but I still support Exile above killing because we can win either way and I think its safer to exile someone (as long as its not Caesar or something) then to kill people

[Secura]

The N1 attack on Cicero does not make sense, he was invulnerable. Only someone not following the game could have done this, and Double A fits the profile.

This is a good point, but I have to ask... what if someone attacked Cicero purposefully to throw suspicion onto players who may not be paying attention?

[Diamondeye]

I accept the nitpicking. Of course I meant Cicero.
Keeping my vote where it is, and as Tullianum. I don't know how much to think of exile.

[Romanic]

This is a good point, but I have to ask... what if someone attacked Cicero purposefully to throw suspicion onto players who may not be paying attention?

Far-fetched but possible... I guess, but would the mafia lose a kill on purpose to make it look like someone isn't paying attention? It was night 1, they'd have to be on serious pressure to come up with a frame like this (or otherwise, why do it at all?)

Double A and Diamondeye were leading the votes on Day 1, so it would make sense only for Diamondeye, but he's also been acting like he's not following the game (~ start of day 2, DE asked to be recalled when he was never exiled). It doesn't make sense for either pressured player to act like this, waste a kill to remove the pressure because both can be seen as not following the game anyway.

I don't think it's a frame, but maybe there's another explanation why they attacked Cicero.

[Beskar]

This is a good point, but I have to ask... what if someone attacked Cicero purposefully to throw suspicion onto players who may not be paying attention?

Even then, it would still be a dumb move. As there is no benefit in doing such a move.

[Romanic]

unvote; vote Tullianium: Diamondeye;

I'll explain in next post.

[Captain Blackadder]

This round has being extended it is Grand Final Day Take 2 and I am going so the write up will be at 10 PM EST.

[Romanic]

I voted Diamondeye because he's been acting weird since the begining.

Is simply Tullianum: Sasaki too simple to work?

First vote after the game started, Diamondeye votes for Sasaki. That's a sound vote, against Catiline, but apparently he doesn't know Catiline cannot be lynched yet.

Unvote: Sasaki, Exile: Csargo
I don't understand your vote on me. Why tullanium on day one?

Csargo/Cicero voted for him, and Diamondeye counterattacks with an OMGUS vote. Voting for Cicero is odd, we know Cicero cares about the Republic. And I think there's no way Diamondeye could not have known that Csargo was Cicero given he knew Sasaki's identity.

I guess my first townie game for as long as I can recall is a good game to die on day 1 in. Do we have a :cigar: smilie on this forum?

3rd post: We see DE saying that this is his first game as a townie in a while. It's very unclear if he's trying to convince us that he is townie, or if he's really a townie. Could be 50/50 really. The whole comment is odd though. It's a dangerous thing to say, and a townie could have thought twice before making this comment, as it could bite you back later in the game. As a mafia trying to save your life, the comment makes sense, even if it let you live one more day and at that point, DE was ahead of the tally and could have been trying to save his life.

I suggest we recall me, seeing as there have been plenty of murderous business. Also, the hell, Crassus gone on night one? Tough jerkey.

[...]

On day 2, he looks like he doesn't know about not being exiled?

I don't get how you can think that, Diamondeye. Even your explanation (having played Civ V too long) does not justify why you thought you were exiled. To believe this, you would need to read somewhere that you were exiled. The writeup had no such thing, and the final tally had you tied in votes with Double A. There's no reason why you would accept this idea. You would have read the writeup, check if you received a PM saying you were exiled / and looked what being exile means etc..

I can't find any reason why you thought you were exiled! This must be an act.

Tullanium: Diamondeye

He's acting like a baffled townie who isn't paying close attention to the thread, but I think he's overplayed it. And there's something about the earnestness of his posts that reminds me of other times he's been mafia (Parasite: Earthbound, for example).

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^ Winston picked on that but he was killed immediately. Now this could be a frame attempt or it could be a bold move by the mafia.

Another reason why I moved my vote from Double A to Diamondeye is because I don't know when the deadline is, and having a triple way tie (DE 2, Double 2, GE 2) is not a good idea. We cannot lose another lynch because of a tie.

[Beskar]

Untullianium; Tullianium: Diamondeye

I suspect he also posted that message about God Emperor as well.

[ByzantineKnight]

He was already one of the two i suspected and Romanic's reasoning is sound... So...

Exillium: DiamondEye

[Diamondeye]

I guess people can't remember how I play when I'm town. Please, for the sake of our chances of victory, don't think I'd act like this as mafia. You have plenty of examples; As Mafia, I stay as low as possible until the end game.
I know this is WIFOM, and Romanic's arguments are good; I am acting different than I'm used to. But I've been mafia in all the latest games you have to base my behaviour off.

The only thing I hadn't already realized in that post was that my OMGUS was against Cicero... I just voted that way because it looked to me like Csargo was pouncing on me to get an easy lynch...
Unvote; Exilium: Joooray. Perhaps we can exile me now, then?

[ByzantineKnight]

I guess people can't remember how I play when I'm town. Please, for the sake of our chances of victory, don't think I'd act like this as mafia. You have plenty of examples; As Mafia, I stay as low as possible until the end game.
I know this is WIFOM, and Romanic's arguments are good; I am acting different than I'm used to. But I've been mafia in all the latest games you have to base my behaviour off.

Unless you were planning on changing the way you played so you could use that excuse as backup... So it doesn't really mean anything...

[Captain Blackadder]

REound over prepare for write up

[Secura]

Exilium: Secura

[Captain Blackadder]

Tullianium
Csargo
Beskar
GodEmperor
Joooray
TheFlax
Romanic

Exile
Byzantine Knight
DiamondEye


GodEmperor Joooray
Joooray Csargo
DiamondEye, The Flax, GodEmperor, Romanic, Beskar, ByzantineKnight
Joooray DiamondEye

As the day draws to a close it once again becomes clear that the Senators of Rome wish for blood to be spilt this very day. However who is it to be that dies this day the Senators yell for the Curule Aedile to be brought before Cicero. It appears that the Senators may be giving a warning to Caesar for this man is a very good friend of his even if politically they are diametrically opposed.Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinther rises up and looks his accusars in the eyes. He is not a man that backs down from a fight and this will be the fight of his life. Cicero begins to speak.

“Romans one and all we have a traitor standing here in our midst and I strongly believe that Spinther is a creature of Catiline. How else could we explain his conduct over this year. When he put on his gladitorial games this year he wore the colour of tyranny he set himself up as King of all Romans. Plus I have it on good knowledge that not only did he murder his father and poison his brother but he killed them both for money. What we have hear is a dancer! Spinther dances from here to there. Spinther is often found in the company of whores and actors. The final act of depravity with Spinther is that he commits buggery as the female of the relationship.

With this a roar of laughter passes over the Senate.

“Lictors take him away to be killed and may the Gods see you safely into the afterlife

DiamondEye ( Publius Cornelius Lentulus Spinther) is dead

Begin Night 3

[Joooray]

Well, according to my messenger honourable Wiki Pedia, Spinther, though having a questionable clothing taste, was supporting Cicero. So he is most likely not part of the group of people we seek.

[Diamondeye]

Well, according to my messenger honourable Wiki Pedia, Spinther, though having a questionable clothing taste, was supporting Cicero. So he is most likely not part of the group of people we seek.

Is that so, Sherlock? I could've told you
Nevermind, I was in the gallows from day 1, it was just a matter of time. My townie curse, I guess
Good luck to you, fellas.

[Romanic]

JHT's and Diamondeye's lynches are very different if we compare them. In one it looks certain that JHT is on the Republic side, and in the other Cicero is convinced that Diamondeye is a Catiline acolyte. I don't know if we must trust the history to figure out who was a bad guy, maybe Spinther was indeed mafia.

@Secura: What are you doing? You voted yourself a 2nd time.

[johnhughthom]

There is alot of mystery over who actually was part of the Catiline conspiracy historically. You could probably make a case for most of the roles that are in the game.

[ByzantineKnight]

@Secura: What are you doing? You voted yourself a 2nd time.

Secura seems determined to get exiled and its a little weird... I'm almost inclined to give up Exile and vote Tullianium: Secura next time...

@Secura is that part of your victory condition or something? Are you Caesar?

[Romanic]

Maybe she does want to be exiled, but that's a strange way to convince us, specially after the warning we received on the Senate walls.

"Exile not the man who would be king, lest he return in triumph."

I think it means that the dangerous people to exile would be those in charge of the army, since the army was allowed within the city walls. Being exiled, they could come back in control the army, this means mostly Julius Caesar or Pompey (dead/Winstion).

Anyway, with 2 kills per night, I don't see how we can afford to exile anyone.

[Beskar]

I think it means that the dangerous people to exile would be those in charge of the army, since the army was allowed within the city walls. Being exiled, they could come back in control the army, this means mostly Julius Caesar or Pompey (dead/Winstion).

If so, my joke was actually a mechanic of the game.