Amazon: Total War 8.0 Release

New unit cards and the small tiles

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Thank you! Paul, I will add these in with the latest non-testable changes.
Let me know if you are done with the last of the small tiles.

will post them today or at last tomorrow

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A new release is published on ModDB

1. with some new unit cards added by WheeliePaul
2. Pea's new Amazonia Hoplite models, and Amazon Spearwoman models, with textures for the mercenary and slave variants.
3. new armor textures for Elite Scouts with more metalic body armors.
4. adjusted spear placement so some spear units have the butt-spike on the ground when standing still.
5. spear units' shield angles have been changed so as not to run into the upper arm in some animation.

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A new release is published on ModDB

1. with some new unit cards added by WheeliePaul
2. Pea's new Amazonia Hoplite models, and Amazon Spearwoman models, with textures for the mercenary and slave variants.
3. new armor textures for Elite Scouts with more metalic body armors.
4. adjusted spear placement so some spear units have the butt-spike on the ground when standing still.
5. spear units' shield angles have been changed so as not to run into the upper arm in some animation.

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Pea has sent in a second path fix to change the texture for the amazon spear units. The upload is now at ModDB.

Hi again, (forgive me the wrong spelling of names)

Some units still needs upkeep adjustments. I tried Geothe now, and really the elephants cost way too much upkeep. They might have being cheap before, but now the catapharact of armored elephants has upkeep around 900. Geothe ballista elephants got around 800. That's what a one city makes in a turn. And elephants have only 1 hit point, and can be scared quite easily with flaming arrows.

True is that the unit has devastating firepower with unmatch range, but if you can please cut it down at least by 100-200.

The final spearman unit for each amazon faction has also this problem - the one with the long scythes or halberd like weapons - they have around 400 upkeep, which is definitely too much as they are very slow, and already expensive (1500 one)

The pathfinders on the other hand still has low upkeep, around 120. Which doesn't make much sense when Companion Horse Archers has 263, and are weaker with pretty much the same abilities. Besides that pathfinders has ridicules defense and attack range (shouldn't they be limited to Thermodan Amaznons?).

Another thing, i don't understand what is Catapharact (the heavy horse riders) for. They cost a lot, you need Royal Stables (final upgrade), and they don't have 2 hit points of Noble Maidens, nor their termite weapons, and neither the range advantage of Pathfinders. I don't think they have better armor either. And although they have lower upkeep then Noble Maidens, they still cost more and takes 2 turns to build. Shouldn't they be a melee unit?

Geothe ships also needs some changes. I see you nerfed them by replacing Trime/Brime with barbarian boats, but the flaming ships still has too low upkeep(and maybe they could be slower then boats, or something to make boats a better transport)

Geothe peasants also takes only 50 upkeep - is this intended? Every other peasant takes 100 and are weaker (the Geothe ones has bombs!)

Also too many amazon units have 'good morale'(or better) ability, it shouldn't be that common. Archers and milita units or other basic units shouldn't have this and be more prone to running away.

Temples needs some adjustments as well. That Camilla temple is just straight up superior to everything else (how is it that all the amazons venerate her? - especially Thyssa and Gorgons, i thought they had their own pantheons). I think Danu temple is the weakest, as even at the final upgrade it gives everything that the Angoborda (what is her name?), but doesn't upgrade ranged weapons and doesn't provide upkeep-free units.


Some errors -

The mace wielding infantry of Armens has 0 upkeep. I can't remember the name.(writing from the work sorry, ill check if you need exact name)

Temple of Horse from Carthage is still missing description text

If I remember right, Geothe as a faction was left in as a "demo faction" to showcase the powers of advanced technology. So they're kind of OP on purpose if the player uses them (if it's the AI, they seem to just sit in Tanais and never expand until someone kills them off though).

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Thank you for your comments so we can have a free and productive discussion about this.

The mod always tried to outline the difference of a Goddess Theocracy and a feudal state, i.e. the "barbarians".

Most apologists of the "barbarian" are quick to point out that Celts and Gauls are better at metal smith and a great deal of many other things. But what the same apologists failed to point out is the lack of organization. Greeks have oligarchy and democracy, Romans have the republic system. Both cultures use their political system to not just vote, but to mobilize their citizenry militarily, such as levying troops and sustaining their navy.

So let us evaluate the Camilla Sect of Artemis Cult. This has been mentioned quite a few times either in the white paper, or in the mod's text sections somewhere. But it could appear to be "buried" because so many other things are described.

The Camilla Sect is a militant priestess order, equivalent in some ways to the later day Templar Knights and Knights Hospitaller. If you browse through the description on Goethe Faction, you will find that they emphasize education of the common people, communication network, and library systems. And they are a Goddess Theocracy.

Such governing entity has several unique characteristics:
1. They instill faith based fervor (but not necessary fanaticism) in their subjects. Call it brainwashing if you will.
2. There are both grass root infrastructure and central government sponsored social and faith based programs.
3. In a given location, they can be a shadow or parallel government of the whoever is in charge in the men-world.
4. Priestess Order runs the faction but also organize the military.
5. Because of the library system, it has the knowledge of how to concoct and the use of religious pyrotechnic material for the application of war and assassination.

The analysis a Pathfinder unit is a very vivid illustration to show why their upkeep cost is different from other untis. The Pathfinder are the top of the communication network hierarchy.

Background

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Level 1 Dispatchers:

Since there are message dispatchers running between the Camilla temples, the dispatchers are trained novitiates who are expert at horseback archery and close-quarter combat on horseback. In time of war, they form into light cavalry unit.

Level 2 Scouts:

On the higher level, there are the Scouts, the Scouts are either undercover Judges who protects their communities from crimes or marauders, or missionaries who live in "other faith" communities to spread the faith of the Sect. The Scouts are usually recruited from experienced dispatchers or weapon experts from the temple.

Level 3 Pathfinder:

On the highest level of the communication network, the Pathfinder is like a Field Marshal, an engineer, and explorer all rolled into one person. She is tasked to survey terrain and come up with a quickest secret communication route between one temple to another. She is responsible for organizing resources on each communication route, to ensure the proper delivery of the messages and to plan against perceived threat of her assigned route.

The Pathfinders are expert martial artists on horseback or on foot, unlike other standing missile cavalry that uses a bow, she uses a mano-ballista. The difference is, a steppe composite bow takes five years for the glue to cure, and long bow takes two years just to cut the wood, whereas mano-ballsta can be mass-produced in a matter of days. She is a Senior Priestess in the Order, so there is no salary, all her supply is drawn from the nearest temple. Her mount is a race horse, allowing her to carry more projectiles or supplies, while still catch up with most light cavalry's ponies. The keeping of her warhorse actually takes most of the cost. The practice of shooting the fire jar is made possible by shooting the bean bag like sand-pockets made to the same density and weight of the actual fire jar.

The Pathfinder unit is a grass root unit. They are not sponsored or paid by the central governing body. But they have to serve faithfully to the Priestess-Marshal, simply because the commanding general is the higher ranking prioress.

I hope this description helps to outline the differences between a goddess theocracy and the rest of the social structures depicted in the game.

The new rebel sm_faction and mercenary re-configuration files are on the test server.

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The new rebel sm_faction and mercenary re-configuration files are on the test server.

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Yes, Hon,

It will be integrated and if everything is fine, put into the next release.

Thanks

New unit cards

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In process: Geothe Early general, geothe heavy cavalry, Geothe mounted halbedier, Geothe Noble maidens
Libyan arbalast infantry, libyan camel archers, libyan camel lancers, libyan heavy cavalry. gorgon axe women, gorgon barb archers
Linked armored clad cavalry

When ready start with Pea's new shield and spear units which looks great

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The new rebel sm_faction and mercenary re-configuration files are on the test server.

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Cel,

There is an error on the brigand rebellion mode, the load menu complained there are too many units in the category, so I took the liberty to remove the new Amazon spear unit for test matrix, let me know if this is OK.

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In process: Geothe Early general, geothe heavy cavalry, Geothe mounted halbedier, Geothe Noble maidens
Libyan arbalast infantry, libyan camel archers, libyan camel lancers, libyan heavy cavalry. gorgon axe women, gorgon barb archers
Linked armored clad cavalry

When ready start with Pea's new shield and spear units which looks great

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Thanks Paul!

As Geothe have the "Early" General, were they planned to have a kind of upgraded General, like the Romans get in RTW when they had the Marian Reforms, or is it just a way to suggest that later on they had better generals or something?

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As Geothe have the "Early" General, were they planned to have a kind of upgraded General, like the Romans get in RTW when they had the Marian Reforms, or is it just a way to suggest that later on they had better generals or something?

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The Early and Late are determined by the Marian Reform Event. The event is pretty much disabled for Geothe. So the answer is no new generals for Geothe.

The more I play around with this, I feel one kind of weakness it has is the Camilla sect actually.

The problem with it is Camilla is just too good to NOT build, especially as Geothe. I understand this is intentional, as Camilla is their main point of worship. But it has the problem that the 4 Amazon Factions don't actually feel that different, they all specialize in mounted archers and cavalry, and while their Temples differ, Camilla is a constant and is always good to build.

For example's sake, if you look at the original Rome Total War, while each of the three Families of Rome were the same faction, each of the three - Julli, Scipii, and Brutii - all had different Temples to build, which made each of them play differently as a result. Julii could grow the fastest due to Ceres allowing increased farm production, as well as a minor income boost. Scipii had access to an extra weapon/armor upgrade from Vulcan, and two unique ships from Neptune. Brutii had highly experienced troops and a morale boost with Mars, and could get a trade boost with Mercury.

Each of the Amazon have different Temples as well, but Camilla gives them unique units, and basically all the same perks as the others. And even if they don't, Camilla's unique units are probably the best units the Amazon faction can field. It has the problem I had with Julii in vanilla Rome really - every single city gets the same exact Temple, because there's just not a reason to build anything else. It might make sense from a setting point of view, but from a game balance POV, it makes all the factions actually feel largely the same - focus on Camilla and mass horses.

I understand this is intentional, but I feel it kind of detracts from the experience. I almost feel the factions should try to be a bit more different, even if it may not be completely accurate to the historical records, it might be refreshing if a faction played radically different from the rest (Geothe don't really count for the purposes of this argument, but even then they still focus on horses, but they just have fire-bombs).

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Originally Posted by krisslanza

The more I play around with this, I feel one kind of weakness it has is the Camilla sect actually.

The problem with it is Camilla is just too good to NOT build, especially as Geothe. I understand this is intentional, as Camilla is their main point of worship. But it has the problem that the 4 Amazon Factions don't actually feel that different, they all specialize in mounted archers and cavalry, and while their Temples differ, Camilla is a constant and is always good to build.

For example's sake, if you look at the original Rome Total War, while each of the three Families of Rome were the same faction, each of the three - Julli, Scipii, and Brutii - all had different Temples to build, which made each of them play differently as a result. Julii could grow the fastest due to Ceres allowing increased farm production, as well as a minor income boost. Scipii had access to an extra weapon/armor upgrade from Vulcan, and two unique ships from Neptune. Brutii had highly experienced troops and a morale boost with Mars, and could get a trade boost with Mercury.

Each of the Amazon have different Temples as well, but Camilla gives them unique units, and basically all the same perks as the others. And even if they don't, Camilla's unique units are probably the best units the Amazon faction can field. It has the problem I had with Julii in vanilla Rome really - every single city gets the same exact Temple, because there's just not a reason to build anything else. It might make sense from a setting point of view, but from a game balance POV, it makes all the factions actually feel largely the same - focus on Camilla and mass horses.

I understand this is intentional, but I feel it kind of detracts from the experience. I almost feel the factions should try to be a bit more different, even if it may not be completely accurate to the historical records, it might be refreshing if a faction played radically different from the rest (Geothe don't really count for the purposes of this argument, but even then they still focus on horses, but they just have fire-bombs).

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Well, actually up to 7.0E release, you are quite right about the Camilla sect, because it is the only Militant Priestess sect. In spite of this, AI continues to pick a varieties of religions. Amazonia often pick Artemis. And the Thyssa can be something else, like the Freja Cult.
However, since 8.0A, we (actually Celeste) has added special bonus for other religion, such as horse worship, which allows bonus unit recruitment.
Not all religions are equal, some are just waste of money and time. But we are moving towards almost exactly what you are saying.
Still, the difference between what you stated and what is being added (gradually) to the mod is that, the change is actually a deception, a build trap if you will, because no other religion can offer level 4 units, except the Camilla sect.

At the end of the day, the focus of this mod is about equestrian matriarchal societies, and in particular the archaeological finding and anthropological extrapolation about Goddess Theocracy. We were discussing about recruitment for the Aphrodite cult, but there is no units we can think of for that cult. So perhaps this idea should be saved for Sim-City, not Total War.

New Amazons Total War changes are being uploaded right now.

Changes include

- Pea's animation correction on Boetian Helmet brim issue
- Pea's animation correction on Amazon border horse archer and frontier's cavalry hair texture changing to chain mail
- Pea's animation correction on the same units with new hair anim-element.
- Cel's re-balance rebel and mercenary adjustment.
- replacement of obsolete unit cards and unit tiles.
- corrected Amazon Virgin Cavalry not available for recruit at higher tier cavalry stable building problem.
- changing start up Far East Celt's cavalry configuration to be less powerful.
- infrastructure re-adjustment for 4th campaign on the campaign menu.
- replacement of unit tiles which are blocky looking.
- slightly changed Amazon character roster.
- new elephant tower units.
- adjusted sky dome color table.
- new model table layout to prep LOD.
- medium LOD test models for intermediate range using proprietary maximum->minimum component reduction method.

Upload has been unsuccessful today probably due to busy pre-July 4th traffic.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

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New Amazons Total War changes are being uploaded right now.

Changes include

- Pea's animation correction on Boetian Helmet brim issue
- Pea's animation correction on Amazon border horse archer and frontier's cavalry hair texture changing to chain mail
- Pea's animation correction on the same units with new hair anim-element.
- Cel's re-balance rebel and mercenary adjustment.
- replacement of obsolete unit cards and unit tiles.
- corrected Amazon Virgin Cavalry not available for recruit at higher tier cavalry stable building problem.
- changing start up Far East Celt's cavalry configuration to be less powerful.
- infrastructure re-adjustment for 4th campaign on the campaign menu.
- replacement of unit tiles which are blocky looking.
- slightly changed Amazon character roster.
- new elephant tower units.
- adjusted sky dome color table.
- new model table layout to prep LOD.
- medium LOD test models for intermediate range using proprietary maximum->minimum component reduction method.

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Since Pea seems to be one step ahead of me, and Bibi is on vacation, I will have to back step and release the above changes in micro steps.

For the immediate release, it has

- Cel's re-balance rebel and mercenary adjustment.
- Pea's new Boetian Helmet texture
- Pea's change on Thyssa Border horse archer's helmet texture alignment.
- Pea's new LOD files for large animation models.
- Pea's new Amazon lesser general animation.

Happy July 4th, everyone.

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Originally Posted by parthian shot

Since Pea seems to be one step ahead of me, and Bibi is on vacation, I will have to back step and release the above changes in micro steps.

For the immediate release, it has

- Cel's re-balance rebel and mercenary adjustment.
- Pea's new Boetian Helmet texture
- Pea's change on Thyssa Border horse archer's helmet texture alignment.
- Pea's new LOD files for large animation models.
- Pea's new Amazon lesser general animation.

Happy July 4th, everyone.

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The micro-release above is ready, Pea found issues with elephant tower, that model is being reworked.

new unit cards

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Thanks Paul! Will try to integrate this. A few 48x63 tiles are grainy looking when it is incorporated with the background texture in the UI. I will publish a short list.

if you send me the list I will make new ones or correct them. I almost finnish the unit tiles and will focus on these small ones In a couple of hours my holiday starts and next week I can spend some extra time on the unit tiles. After that I start my motorbike to drive 3000 miles and will be back on juli 23.

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if you send me the list I will make new ones or correct them. I almost finnish the unit tiles and will focus on these small ones In a couple of hours my holiday starts and next week I can spend some extra time on the unit tiles. After that I start my motorbike to drive 3000 miles and will be back on juli 23.

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You and BB must have a pact about your vacation schedule.

I think I have corrected most of them. If you want to, you can check if latest upload

- has better Mono-Ballista Light Cavalry

The militia hoplite is not grainy, but too dark.

I will try to post a more complete list.

New LOD based animation is now uploaded at ModDB, with high-end model polygon rendering cut down by 43%.

Models with LODs are

- Amazon Warband, Geothe Serf Lanciarii, Meroe Kentake Guard
- Amazon Peltasts, all factions
- Amazon Militia Cavalry, all factions
- Amazon Charioteers, all faction, including Armenia
- Amazon Septum units, Sarmatian Virgin Cavalry
- Amazon Xiphos Cohort, Geothe Grenadier Cohort
- Amazon Armored Standard Bearer

New unit cards and some before and after samples

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You and BB must have a pact about your vacation schedule.

I think I have corrected most of them. If you want to, you can check if latest upload

- has better Mono-Ballista Light Cavalry

The militia hoplite is not grainy, but too dark.

I will try to post a more complete list.

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BB and I have a pact she's riding my bike now, haha

Well I did some very quick samples to lighten them up. is this what you meaning? Do you have an example of a grainy one so I can check what I did wrong.

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BB and I have a pact she's riding my bike now, haha

Well I did some very quick samples to lighten them up. is this what you meaning? Do you have an example of a grainy one so I can check what I did wrong.

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The old Mono-Ballista Light Cavalry was rather grainy, but I believe I have corrected the problem. You did not do anything wrong, but the back ground color in the game and the background color of the sample pictures you sent were different, so it generates a distortion. When picture with low pixel count suffers from distortion, it can pretty much ruin the visual effect.

Could you send me these new brighter ones?

Thanks

I will send the brighter ones but first gonna do an ingame testing of the small tiles

Here are the latest unit cards

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After six week in preparation, we are finally uploading the Armageddon Quest Campaign. This mod puts the AI on a level playing field against the human by letting the AI to complete Quest. And therefore allowing the AI to recruit advanced units.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attac...4&d=1373059032
I don't know why CA make the lower body of all the skirt wearing models looks that ridiculous, may be to reduce the amount of poly.

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After six week in preparation, we are finally uploading the Armageddon Quest Campaign. This mod puts the AI on a level playing field against the human by letting the AI to complete Quest. And therefore allowing the AI to recruit advanced units.

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After 255 turns Armageddon Quest playing with the Geothe and staying in Tanais I was surprised that Rome became the dominant faction. Looking in there armies I found the reason was a lot of Field trap belts. Dispite the fact the libyan amazones had all the advanced units they don't stand a chance against these roman armies.
Thyssa amazons still don't have a city after 255 turns!
Lybian amazons don't become enough resistance from neither egypt or carthage. They where the main faction till the romans started building the field trap belts.
For some reason the AI never attacks Meroe
In these settings the AI creates only 3-4 strong opponents: Libyan and thermodon amazons, rome and armens.
Thyssa lacks a city (I read somewhere they had a very large city with a huge wooden wall) and there population won't grow fast enough.

Maybe we can create a quest campaign where the Lybian starts hording in Iberia. They probably will meet the romans in an early stage and thiss will change the ballance in western europe. In these setting I am sure the Thermodon amazons will become the main faction so maybe there Quest city's should move further away.

For now I would say give Thyssa 1 big starting city and decrease the power of the libyan amazons by a smaller horde army or start with a large town in africa instead of hording.

outcome after 250 turns Armagadon Quest campaign (doomsday)

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After 255 turns Armageddon Quest playing with the Geothe and staying in Tanais I was surprised that Rome became the dominant faction. Looking in there armies I found the reason was a lot of Field trap belts. Dispite the fact the libyan amazones had all the advanced units they don't stand a chance against these roman armies.
Thyssa amazons still don't have a city after 255 turns!
Lybian amazons don't become enough resistance from neither egypt or carthage. They where the main faction till the romans started building the field trap belts.
For some reason the AI never attacks Meroe
In these settings the AI creates only 3-4 strong opponents: Libyan and thermodon amazons, rome and armens.
Thyssa lacks a city (I read somewhere they had a very large city with a huge wooden wall) and there population won't grow fast enough.

Maybe we can create a quest campaign where the Lybian starts hording in Iberia. They probably will meet the romans in an early stage and thiss will change the ballance in western europe. In these setting I am sure the Thermodon amazons will become the main faction so maybe there Quest city's should move further away.

For now I would say give Thyssa 1 big starting city and decrease the power of the libyan amazons by a smaller horde army or start with a large town in africa instead of hording.

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outcome after 250 turns Armagadon Quest campaign (doomsday)

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Does Thyssa or Libyan field any advanced technical units?

I am surprised and actually thrilled to see Roman still around and kicking after so many turns. Because even with field traps, it is not easy to go head to head with units like Geothe Noble Maiden.

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Does Thyssa or Libyan field any advanced technical units?

I am surprised and actually thrilled to see Roman still around and kicking after so many turns. Because even with field traps, it is not easy to go head to head with units like Geothe Noble Maiden.

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I think WP already mentioned that they all have advanced units.

And we already know that AI vs AI may not have the same results as Human vs AI on an actual battlefield.

Thanks Cel.

I misread Paul's post.

Because AI vs. AI only has artificial head to head attrition, so the advanced unit from the Amazons are not so advanced in such battle.

But once human player is playing, the outcome is completely different.

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https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attac...4&d=1373059032
I don't know why CA make the lower body of all the skirt wearing models looks that ridiculous, may be to reduce the amount of poly.

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That is an animation bug, and you are right that we can only correct the problem to certain degree.

The lybian had almost in every army 2-3 pathfinders and armoured elephants but when they encounter 1 field trap they loose. Rome had 1-5 field traps in there armies. The battle here as showed with the Geothe was against 1 catapult, 1 field trap unit and 1 legion. It seems the AI can't handle the field trap units.
Normally 1 pathfinder unit whipe out such an army with ease.

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The lybian had almost in every army 2-3 pathfinders and armoured elephants but when they encounter 1 field trap they loose. Rome had 1-5 field traps in there armies. The battle here as showed with the Geothe was against 1 catapult, 1 field trap unit and 1 legion. It seems the AI can't handle the field trap units.
Normally 1 pathfinder unit whipe out such an army with ease.

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Paul,

We can not change AI's behavior as far as how AI battles against AI. That is why BB, Pea, and I advocate an open source game engine which can read all the Rome Total War mods to enhance the gaming experience.

The Open Source Engine would allow us to
- resolve this particular problem which has been documented since 2004.
- enable naval battles as part of the campaign
- enable de-coupling so Pea's pet project such as infantry supported chariot can materialize as part of the campaign.
- enable siege engine to have better movement.

When BB is back from vacation, I will see if we can have an update on the current progress of the Open Source efforts.

thank you for the feedback Liz.
Here are some redone units

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Oh! My! They are beautiful.

I also want to redo the grainy ones for the 48x64 tiles. The mistake I made is that I should have recommended using the upper torso shots. The full body tiles looks great for info, but just too blocky for the user menu.

Yes I agree, can you give me a list of the grainy ones? I can do some units tomorrow and then will I be gone till july 22th.

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Yes I agree, can you give me a list of the grainy ones? I can do some units tomorrow and then will I be gone till july 22th.

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Actually I can working on it, basically using your unit info picture and can upper torso shot and then convert them to 48x63.

There are only 3 or 4 models like that.

BTW, BB is on vacation, so I can not speak on her behalf, but everyone else on the team really like the new unit info and unit tiles.

Really nice work!

Thank you and the team but I am not satisfied yet especially with most of the small ones.

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Thank you and the team but I am not satisfied yet especially with most of the small ones.

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Well, if that is the case, perhaps you might want to try to use the unit info tile 160x210 and change them to 48x64, or 43x63, whichever is better for the result.

- Amazon Spear woman for Thyssa, Mercenary, and Slave
- mano-ballista cavalry for Libya and Thyssa
- Amazon Hoplite for Mercenary, Slave, and Amazonia
- Amazon Sword for all factions
- Amazon Archers for all factions

These are the only ones I can find right now.

New update is being uploaded right now with WheeliePaul's latest unit card changes and some temporary place-holder. Will post when ready.

Hey, what is up you all

Welcome back, can you and all section leaders let me know what is the status on the your projects?

I don't know if you had this error before, but MOUNT_AFRICAN_ELEPHANT_PARTHIA.TGA is missing from textures and will crush the game if there are Parthian elephants in battle.

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I don't know if you had this error before, but MOUNT_AFRICAN_ELEPHANT_PARTHIA.TGA is missing from textures and will crush the game if there are Parthian elephants in battle.

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Thanks for the sighting! I will ask BB to log this and resolve it.

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I don't know if you had this error before, but MOUNT_AFRICAN_ELEPHANT_PARTHIA.TGA is missing from textures and will crush the game if there are Parthian elephants in battle.

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I got this request, and loading the current 8.0A release, the Parthian Elephant seems to be working. Not saying this is or is not a problem, just that the file seems to load fine.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attac...3&d=1374092031

I downloaded it 4 days ago from MODDB. And Parthian Elephants textures were not there. I copied the Egyptian textures and rename it, then it works for now.

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I downloaded it 4 days ago from MODDB. And Parthian Elephants textures were not there. I copied the Egyptian textures and rename it, then it works for now.

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Looking at the log, if the download is from 4 days ago, it is the current release, and there is no Parthian changes.

BB and I look over the problems, the only model uses this file (MOUNT_AFRICAN_ELEPHANT_PARTHIA.TGA) is "elephant forest", the model is no longer used by the Parthian faction.
To help us narrow down the problem, we really need to know what change did you apply to the mod, or did you change the change to have any units using the "elephant forest" model?

Change? How?

I just copied the Egyptian Elephant .tga file and rename Egypt to Parthia in the name of .tga.

I think what Celeste is saying is that the current release does not have Parthian faction with Forest Elephant model, they only have the elephant with the parasole.

And the only problem she can find with the file name you provided is with the forest elephant which the Parthian can not recruit.

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Thanks Paul! Did you have a good trip?

Here is to relay Dragour's text changes

Sarmatia-

"was used for leather, its bones and even hooves used in armor and bows"
Simply skipped the ' in it's.

"Parthians have sent scouts in and ot of the Sarmatian land"
in and 'out'-right? =P

"But the worst threat to the Sarmatians is right under their nose. Most nomads, being superstitious lot. have for"
'being a superstitious lot' and that period shouldn't be there between 'superstitious lot' and 'have for'

Text changes from Dragour

Thyssa Amazon-

"Caucasus Albania is a term describes an ancient geographical domain around the Caucasus Gate by the Caspian Sea"
'is a term that describes'

"The Albani Amazons were the Amazons of Albania"
Yeah.. somehow this feels self explanatory

"The equestrian class were required to train and constantly evolving their tactics"
'and constantly evolve their tactics'

"Many of the units are copies of the Geothe warriors. But they have lost the secrets of the sacred fire and the horse breeding knowledge from their ancient days."
'Geothe warriors, but they have lost' (comma instead of period)

"But the worst fear of all, is the Geothe faction who possess knowledge that will end the world the rule of men."
'end the rule of men in the world'? Not entirely sure how to rewrite this one, but it does need revising at the end there.

More Dragour's text changes...

Libyan Amazon
"it become a secret federation of prosperity and enlightenment"
'became', not become.

"pillaging of the so-call the “Heroes” like Jason or Hercules"
so-called "Heroes"

"And soon Carthage become the most important relay-trade-station"
Again, 'became' instead of become

"All the priestesses except those who are away in the military are murdered"
except those who 'were' away

"The Oracle of Siwa, as in most oracles through out the Amazon land"
'as with most oracles' instead of 'as in most oracles'

"which would then allows the code to be completely deciphered"
Just 'allow' instead of 'allows'

More Dragour's text changes adding to the previous comment...

Two lines down from previous comment.

"before she may procreate, an Amazon must kill at least an enemy in battle", does it require the 'at least'? If it does then shouldn't it be 'at least one enemy'? Sorry if I am being too specific or something

From Dragour...

Hi there Bibi, not sure how to find the exact line within the text but for the very first faction, Thermodon Amazonia, around the 7th line this text just didn't.. feel right, like it needs to be said differently (personal opinion!)
"maneuvers at the time when most of combat are personal and are usually duels between the so-called heroes"
I understand what it means and what you were trying to say, but the way it is said doesn't feel right you know. Again this is just my personal opinion!

Thanks BB,

I know you have been very busy.

The change plus Celeste's review has been added to the latest change. And it is been uploaded to the server right now.

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Here is to relay Dragour's text changes

Sarmatia-

"was used for leather, its bones and even hooves used in armor and bows"
Simply skipped the ' in it's.

"Parthians have sent scouts in and ot of the Sarmatian land"
in and 'out'-right? =P

"But the worst threat to the Sarmatians is right under their nose. Most nomads, being superstitious lot. have for"
'being a superstitious lot' and that period shouldn't be there between 'superstitious lot' and 'have for'

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I think Celeste has identified a problem with this story, because the old map in 6.0 shows the Sarmatian is in controlled of the cities around Azov Sea shore, whereas in 8.0A, the Scythian has taken their place, so to say the Sarmatian is having a Camilla Sect rebellion is no longer accurate.

We reach the 1.000.000 visits on MODDB tomorrow. At this moment Visits 997,224 (4,263 today)
So a little bit early but my congratulations to everybody who made this possible.

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We reach the 1.000.000 visits on MODDB tomorrow. At this moment Visits 997,224 (4,263 today)
So a little bit early but my congratulations to everybody who made this possible.

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Thank You Paul! All around a project well-done with everyone!