So does he claim it when he's both town and not cop and when he's scum?
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how is calling myself lazy wolfy? I definitely haven't been playing with any kind of alacrity or presence. I've been responding to things I think are interesting or neat, and ignoring things I don't particularly care about.
C4 is an easy town read to toss off, he's active, solving some people, and generally posting with the flow of things. None of which are townie on their own, but taken as a whole they're indicative of being more townie than not.
If he's a wolf he eventually needs to wolf read town, yeah? When that happens we'll be able to start solving him IF we need to.
yeah, yeah he does. There's a game on Mafia Universe, the Mario 2 game in the CFC subforum where he was wolf, claimed cop. I've also seen him be not a cop and claim it as town.
Basically that's his shtick.
He's most likely to be wolf read when he's making pushes that don't make sense or when he's not engaging with and interacting with "real" posts as opposed to fluff. His activity level also tends to die down as wolf as the game goes on.
As town Borg will be more active as the game goes on in terms of real posts/reads/engagement, and he typically does his best posting/solving D2/3 and beyond
Is your vote serious hk?
So Borg claims cop and to have already targeted Tims. And claimed that Tims is good. I inherently don't believe this.
Why target Tims?
My initial read after the first 12 hours was Tim was a bit scummy, but multiple people corroborate his playing style as highly town Tim. His later longer read post could easily go either way for me. I like a good set of reads to then be able to stick people to, but it's also an easy way for a wolf to get good.
Is Csargo Csargo? I didn't like earlier posts, but more recently have felt it to be more real. Is my reasoning that he fucks around and that that makes his later townie stuff feel more real, IE: C4's reasoning on Rask? Possibly
Rask I'm on the fence about.
I don't really have good vibes about Winston or Gnome yet. I'd place my suspicions in that direction, not sure which of the two yet. Winston how do you feel about Rask?
You would prefer to wait on Borg and see how he plays down the line? Given that HK also implies that Borg is an easier read on D2/D3 it would make sense for HK to pursue other targets I agree.
I would vote for borg based on today, but actually hk's own words have convinced me not to.
my goal here is to eat the N1 or dunk on Wolf Tim in F3
HOST TALLY 1-2
Rask (3): Csargo, Zelda, Winston
Borg (2): c4, Hollow
c4 (1): Borg
Winston (1): Rask
Not Voting (10): Dolby, Tim, Gnome, Ibn, Lewwyn, Nanook, Laurentus, El-A, Vroendal, Panda
Movement
[Rask] Csargo >> Winston
[Hollow] Rask >>> Borg
You are all very far from the post cap, so don't feel constrained.
@Laurentus
@El-ahrairah
@Vroendal
Please post/vote at least once per day.
ahh gotcha, ok.
I've found Tim to generally flood regardless of alignment.
When Tim is town generally he will find things he doesn't like about someone and poke at them till they either cough up a wolf pelt OR they are found to be town.
When Tim is a wolf generally he lets the thread take it's own direction and will nudge things along but doesn't "hard push" obvs townies.
Dunno wtf Tim is doing in this game tho. I want to town read him for a couple posts, including his reads list even though he says it's inaccurate and has too many wolves.
Embrace the Slack
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Also yes, my vote on Borg is legit
Okay this is the only honest thing that has been said about me this game so far. So far I joked about collecting three heads and circling back for Argon. That is a pretty typical joke for me. The Blues Brothers not quite quote about killing Csargo was also I thought pretty obviously mostly a joke.
The reads list, day one, even before everyone has posted? Never done that before EVER. Had MANY day one knock down dragout tilts over refusing to give reads, both as town or wolf. A huge warning sign on Raskol is that he should be deep into WTF is Tim up to now? and he seems totally cool about it.
Argon is flat lying and I'm not sure what to make of that. I am town, but there is no way a n0 cop check on me comes back anything like miller so that part at the very least he made up out of thin air.
Yea, I can, and often will, flood the thread as wolf or town. I am not, and I am not going to be. This is less typical for me, but I have also done this as wolf or town.
Gun to head right now I probably would vote Raskol, but will not actually be voting until either everyone has voted or we are reasonably approaching EoD, whichever comes first.
So WTF are you up to Tim?
Just playin' some Mafia. I have a very strong anti-meta tilt, so every game I at least play a different style than my last game, and as often as I have the juice I play in some style I have never tried. I guess it is the old school forum software or maybe the nostalgia of being back on TheOrg but I feel like I'm up for a challenge.
For all my scoffing at them I have friends who are committed believers that day one reads made of tiny shadows of nuance and staff really work, so instead of my usual "just get through day one and work off the flips because flips are FACTS" stance I am joining them. Reading posts over and over looking for little cues and such.
Vote: Borg
Cause I like to see the tie mechanic..
Claiming a role on D1 is not good for the town.
If he is a regular townie and he claims a role like that he might clear mafia from suspicion as the game progresses. Bad for the town.
If he actually is a Cop like he claimed he just made himself a target for the mafia. Bad for the Town.
If he is mafia claiming to be a Cop and the town actually believes him then he could clear another mafia. Bad for the Town again.
I haven't played mafia with him before unlike some of you so perhaps this is what he does usually in games... :shrug:
I have set myself a meta so that even now that I am a cop mafia can't tell if I am lying or not. The only way they can tell is if I green check one of them and then I probably will be ignored. I have played with most of the people here so I feel like I can pull this off without disrupting town. Once I get a red check I will share it since getting one of the mafia is probably as good as it will get. Then all my green checks will be cleared when the mafia silences me.
Tbh, the whole take is vaguely in null territory. A great comment or action from HK would make it minor a nuisance. Tbh, talking about Largon doing the same thing every game isn't moving game forward and I find it slightly off that HK uses it to push Borg. Also, his meta read on Tim - It's good but it's also deliberately keeping Tim in nulls.
But again, I don't think any of this is substantial enough to call HK scum. The Tim read actually got me slightly paranoid about Tim, who immediately posted about changing his style every game - and that's not a post, which makes man feel safer.
Overall, this feels like an old school d1 with surface interactions and lack of substantial reads.
Can't say whether it's old school or not. I'm still finding footing myself amid a group I'm mostly unfamiliar with.
I'm not sold on Tim and I do think his reply to what he's up to isn't 100% believable. It's devoid of connection to the game itself and rather a post about his own style. Arguments about that are not as productive as actual reads and substantial commenting. But he did answer my question! I guess Timsup2nothin!? (Honestly this whole day has been Tim trying to get us to say "updog")
All that said, I think I still like HK more than Rask and C4. Town leans on C4 befuddle me in particular. The guy's enforcing them and they feel like a trap to me. Either C4 is scum or a wolf tmi-ed him by giving him a free pass.
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Not a fan of a single hit and run post by Vote: Panda interested to hear more though.
We haven't heard from a couple others either...
The mafia would most likely include at least one person who has played with Argon. If he is town he is playing along his standard meta and mafia who have played with him may well be hesitant about getting baited into killing a vanilla townie that seems like a potential mischop. I have seen it go both ways.
Tim , LA , Laurentus, Vro and above all HK can confirm that J have obvious reasons for single hit and run. I have school and I got to study as well at home , so you won't see much of me on D1 . My activity rises as the game goes forward, and I can gurantee that I will be of some use later on.
I am resisting an OMGUS reaction here.
You ask what I'm up to, I tell you.
Now you complain about how that wasn't as productive as actual reads...to the only person in the game that has given a comprehensive reads list. I'm trying out this "be a cooperative townie" thing instead of my more comfortable "hard nose FPSing pot stirring solo wolf hunter" style, and apparently you aren't seeing it. Is there really something missing on my part, are you just really quick to tunnel, or are you just a wolf?
Would you mind giving us a comprehensive list of your takes on the players so far? It's starting to feel like you are just throwing suss in every direction to get a feel for what might stick rather than doing any real solving. Not saying that's a wolf indication since I am not familiar with you and I have definitely played that wild spear wolf hunter type as town myself, but set my mind at ease here please.
What's your policy here , make a post saying "This guy is town" after he places some read sort of stuff? Posting D1 reads are wolfy , while I questioned zelda's alignment , I actually contradicted my words over the fact that D1 reads are wolfish.
How did the contradiction escape your eyes?
Tim can certainly confirm , can he not ?
HOST TALLY 1-3
Rask (3): Csargo, Zelda, Winston
Borg (2): c4, Ibn-K
c4 (1): Borg
Winston (1): Rask
Panda (1): Lewwyn
Zelda (1): Hollow
Not Voting (8): Dolby, Tim, Gnome, Nanook, Laurentus, El-A, Vroendal, Panda
Movement
[Rask] Csargo >> Winston
[Hollow] Rask >> Borg >> Zelda
It is incredibly unlikely anyone will reach the postcap today.
@Laurentus
@El-ahrairah
@Vroendal
In danger of replacement. If anyone has access to these players, please ping them.
vote:c4
Reason: Townreads me for a one liner contradictory post
Vote: pzelda
You look perfectly happy with this dead thread, despite being around and having actual thoughts. All the thoughts you do have just look like progress blunting.
Speaking of day one reads... @NANOOK why none from you?
unvote
I suppose I ought to start making an effort to read the thread and form opinions about stuff.
Being a civilised creature, however, first I need cocktails, dinner, dancing, and perhaps a little light petting to get me in the mood.
On the other hand, maybe I'll just smash a microwaveable doner kebab and four wicked-strength cheap lagers through my facehole while watching some shit on the telly.
Either way, I'll be back at some point before eod to attempt a degree of actual participation.
p.s. Anyone who reads me as anything other than straight null up to and including this point is either lying or wrong.
Vote: hollowkatt
Is that sweat or tears?
Either way... :barrel:
I like Lewwyn but that's probs not controversial
would be perfectly happy chopping panda/pzelda/raskol today, Borg is meh but also I'm kinda eh so..
I'll plop a dayshield on LA I guess
tbh don't have a real take on him but don't think that maf are in a panic about him having a few votes
HOST TALLY 1-4
Rask (2): Csargo, Zelda
c4 (2): Borg, Panda
Panda (2): Lewwyn, Hollow
Winston (1): Rask
Borg (1): Ibn-K
Zelda (1): c4
Hollow (1): Winston
Not Voting (7): Dolby, Tim, Gnome, Nanook, Laurentus, El-A, Vroendal
Movement
[Rask] Csargo >> Winston
[Hollow] Rask >> Borg >> Panda
[c4] Borg >> Zelda
[Winston] Rask >> Hollow
It is incredibly unlikely anyone will reach the postcap today.