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Originally Posted by Visor

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eh I think she's town now

tonally she's there and i think her content/focus here is pretty good

i don't really think she can make #150 in a way i don't wolf read when she's wolf

All wolves should be in
Ender v but my weakest v


Rask sunbae maple lissa arctic taffy dya Zelda

Damn this is a longer list than I envisioned before I typed this out lol

Oh well atleast rask is meowted so that’s one less to worry about

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Originally Posted by waza

All wolves should be in
Ender v but my weakest v


Rask sunbae maple lissa arctic taffy dya Zelda

Damn this is a longer list than I envisioned before I typed this out lol

Oh well atleast rask is meowted so that’s one less to worry about

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Whoops that didn’t format properly because I originally had ender in mind but took him out of the list

So replace the first and second line of that post and it’ll make sense

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Originally Posted by waza

All wolves should be in
Ender v but my weakest v


Rask sunbae maple lissa arctic taffy dya Zelda

Damn this is a longer list than I envisioned before I typed this out lol

Oh well atleast rask is meowted so that’s one less to worry about

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Happy still uses the old codes. He's soft and manipulatable Agent Panic In The Disco. Proceed as planned.

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Originally Posted by didistetter

@annika can you articulate the why for waza and lissa pls?

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for Lissa it was just her opening post where she said she was relieved to be town (45)

for Waza, I thought the way he townread you and immediately rescinded it was villagery (18), and in general his opener seemed like. a lil wolfie which I thought was townie, since wolves tend to avoid making openers like that unless they know they can be townread for it (17)

I also think his interaction with Ladd last night was a little villagery, and his interaction with you this morning felt good to me too, specifically his expectation that you should be townreading him despite playing "weirdly" in his eyes (and then the fact that he immediately rescinded it lol) (125 -> 133)

Ladd is towny.

I don't know what to do about this.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Happy still uses the old codes. He's soft and manipulatable Agent Panic In The Disco. Proceed as planned.

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l o s t w o l f s o f t

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Originally Posted by didistetter

@annika specifically i want to know your thoughts on this post pls and ty

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Originally Posted by waza

Welp ladd I think ur gonna have to shield me this d1 lmao

Meh I think my villa core is still pure so maybe I can find a wolf so I don’t need the shield but who knows

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but also your general read and reasoning on waza

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I think it's okay, is there something wrong w/ it?

side note: @didistetter, when you said you only had one genuine read so far, were you referring to your Waza SR?

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

eh I think she's town now

tonally she's there and i think her content/focus here is pretty good

i don't really think she can make #150 in a way i don't wolf read when she's wolf

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maybe

to me, the way the she approached the start of the game was very much like brute forcing an entrance

actually reminds me of how lissa entered in the anon game where initially i thought it was wolfy (and then i got railroaded and went way off base lol)

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Originally Posted by Visor

l o s t w o l f s o f t

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Shit.

Agent down agent down.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Ladd is towny.

I don't know what to do about this.

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Lmfao I don’t know how ur coming to these reads even on the ones I agree with

Okay now I understand why people don’t like it when I do it lol

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Originally Posted by waza

Lmfao I don’t know how ur coming to these reads even on the ones I agree with

Okay now I understand why people don’t like it when I do it lol

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I've been doin' it for years. But welcome to Australian tradition I suppose.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I've been doin' it for years. But welcome to Australian tradition I suppose.

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LOL now that u mention that it’s legit all the aussies who have been spouting nonsense and not explaining a thing

I couldn’t be more proud of us

Well I suppose visor isn’t really spouting nonsense the same way you or I are

But still he qualifies for the other part

this is a pure bad take (tm)

but annikas read on wazas flip was villagery uncritical

i think normally i'd tend to just say that its kind of a bad (maybe almost tmi spewing) village read from a wolf but i think i have come around to it being too unconcerned and blatant, which can be like a lazy wolf kind of read to make, but i don't really get those vibes from someone who bothers to post links to post numbers

i am not explaining this nearly as well as I wouldve liked, but i just think that while that kind of read is normally a lazy wolfread, i think given how they are playing it isn't

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Originally Posted by waza

Well I suppose visor isn’t really spouting nonsense the same way you or I are

But still he qualifies for the other part

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oh i do both of those things on the regular

its the vibe of the thing

its mabo

@waza talk about your read on visor? you seem to have towned him in your core but there's notably less about him in your iso comparatively speaking to your other reads

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Originally Posted by Visor

maybe

to me, the way the she approached the start of the game was very much like brute forcing an entrance

actually reminds me of how lissa entered in the anon game where initially i thought it was wolfy (and then i got railroaded and went way off base lol)

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well don't let it happen again this game, feel free to continue pursuing it, but i think you prodding and poking is still good for the game if you have that inkling

i know i dont really need to tell you that but i'm just kinda lowkey annoyed about how some ppl have treated some reads as infallible across several games only to flip and blame the person who went out on a limb for it

Taffy seems townie for how she talked about Ben and her reasons for squinting a bit at Sunbae

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

Damn I thought there were ppl here when I started posting and nobody's commented or asked me anything

See you later I guess :no:

Taffy (9)

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ping me if you ever wanna talk about anything!

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Originally Posted by didistetter

my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.

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oh okay
one more clarifying question then: were you SRing Waza since the beginning of the game? it seems like it was mostly for his SoD stuff so I'm wondering if that's a suspicion you always carried but just lied about, or something that built up based on his later posts

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Originally Posted by Visor

this is a pure bad take (tm)

but annikas read on wazas flip was villagery uncritical

i think normally i'd tend to just say that its kind of a bad (maybe almost tmi spewing) village read from a wolf but i think i have come around to it being too unconcerned and blatant, which can be like a lazy wolf kind of read to make, but i don't really get those vibes from someone who bothers to post links to post numbers

i am not explaining this nearly as well as I wouldve liked, but i just think that while that kind of read is normally a lazy wolfread, i think given how they are playing it isn't

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what do you think of her latching onto the maple post about the implication that maple didn't rand town this game or whatever?

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

@waza talk about your read on visor? you seem to have towned him in your core but there's notably less about him in your iso comparatively speaking to your other reads

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well don't let it happen again this game, feel free to continue pursuing it, but i think you prodding and poking is still good for the game if you have that inkling

i know i dont really need to tell you that but i'm just kinda lowkey annoyed about how some ppl have treated some reads as infallible across several games only to flip and blame the person who went out on a limb for it

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Vibe

He seems to believe what he’s saying

I think he approaches wolfing the same way I do and he’s not really playing how I would as a wolf

Plus last game here he was a wolf and I remember him noting he was really busy and it came across in a way that he wasn’t happy with what his output was in that game as a result of the business

So I kinda expected him to be all fired up and be ready to snow everyone if he randed wolf here which imo his opening posts didn’t really line up with

Ironically enough his recent posts fit more into that mould but I think they’re towny town posts and not towny wolf posts

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

what do you think of her latching onto the maple post about the implication that maple didn't rand town this game or whatever?

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i dont even recall that post lmao lemme look it up

I think Visor is townie now too

so Visor/Taffy/Waza/Lissa/Sunbae five villas?

He also had the freeest layup to just wolf read me by riding the momentum of what everyone else has been doing and I don’t think he would pass that up

Or if he would he would probs try and defend or side with me in a way to get cred or maybe get on my good side

He’s done neither which I think is towny and the way he’s approaching me makes sense since his sr was Stett and I’m assuming doesn’t read me as being partnered with her so it makes sense why town!visor wouldn’t have much to say on me

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Originally Posted by waza

Vibe

He seems to believe what he’s saying

I think he approaches wolfing the same way I do and he’s not really playing how I would as a wolf

Plus last game here he was a wolf and I remember him noting he was really busy and it came across in a way that he wasn’t happy with what his output was in that game as a result of the business

So I kinda expected him to be all fired up and be ready to snow everyone if he randed wolf here which imo his opening posts didn’t really line up with

Ironically enough his recent posts fit more into that mould but I think they’re towny town posts and not towny wolf posts

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i was incredibly unhappy with how that last game went

i was working very long hours at the time and i realised after d1 that i just can't play werewolf if i am working those hours because its not fair to anyone to have someone who can only play like i was there

so i haven't played until my hours settled down

i don't think i would be fired up, especially in a 50 post game, but i would be determined to put in a good showing if i randed wolf for sure

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

what do you think of her latching onto the maple post about the implication that maple didn't rand town this game or whatever?

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this doesn't seem like anything to me - its a little awkward, but really doen't mean anything to me

vote: Enderwiggin

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i've got moderate townleans on lissa/taffy/stett/visor. of those, i actually think i'm most confident about visor. the others feel right but they are also based off things that are light (taffy, here's your rhyme scheme). I feel like with visor's posts its more than just vibes/easy clearances so even though he's probably got the widest range of the 4 i feel best about that one since there's more concrete stuff to attach to it

waza is kinda murky for me but i've liked his last few hours or whatever

ladd is pure null
haru is ~near pure null with a moderate concern
maple is the wolfy side of null. just kind of feels like a bit of RME there when i judge their game entry vs lissa's when they share similar context. this might be unfair and i acknowledge that but i don't really care.

annika is an interesting one for me. i'm probably going to leave her be for now but i highly dislike her getting hung up on the manti post. that feels somewhat unreasonable and silly and the fact that she so quickly conceded the point being irrelevant when lissa asked her about it sorta tells me she didn't think too deeply about it, but its exactly the kind of read you WOULD think deeply about if you were the one to bring it up?

i also dislike her towning haru here in her core and replacing me (im mad cause bad (but sincerely, that reads strange to me)) out of it.

i'm sympathetic to visor's idea that i could be reading too much into the manti piece. also, if manti is a wolf, that is maybe a good look for annika rather than a 'guilty conscience' type of find on a partner, but it just doesn't strike me as an annika-y thing to look into.

my ender vote is somewhat a meme cause i feel like i always vote him around this time on d1 in org games but its also kinda not a meme. idk we'll figure it out eventually.

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i'm off to the office today and i prob need to tone it down on posts anyway, so have fun piecing me up over this while i'm gone, but basically where i stand above

So, catching up.
p1: waza v, annika v, benneh (if nebijamm is benneh) might be v, but their activity seems little artificial, little bit like busy work I don't know who Stett is, v reads are basically for throwing v reads in early, visor and lissa not so towny so far
p2: lissa still not very towny imho, they're getting weird free town reads, I like sunbae's entrance - straight to business, probably v
p3 (and p4): friends chatting - I can't take a whole lot from that atm, taffy looks slightly w for their entrance and their lines of questioning stuff, there's some negativity, weird reasons for voting benneh and they were rooting out some of the early v leans of other players. All wolfy tbh, could be w/w with Maple for that bomb inventor comment.
p5: I skipped some long comments from waza, I should return to them and read them properly to see if they hold any water. Stett (didistetter, I understand now) can be villa lean for wanting to eat? The rest of that post is fairly weak and quite defensive tho. Pointing out fair enough probably nai but I also feel like taking that v lean back.
p6: Visor's not towny here, I kind of want to see townreads from him. Most of his stuff is negative. The single townread is ok and I think it makes annika quite likely town for a half-stupid reason. If Visor is wolf he probably is trying to pocket them. If he's town, his reads tended to be good.
p7: Also Annika not townreading Visor for that is a good look.

Villas - Annika, waza, sunbae
Villa leans - Benneh
Nulls - Ender, ladd
Negative vibes - Stett, Visor, Lissa, Maple
Wolf leans - taffy

vote: Totally not Taffy

Ok, I know I haven't provided any explanation for some of these, I might do it later or just answer any questions.

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annika is an interesting one for me. i'm probably going to leave her be for now but i highly dislike her getting hung up on the manti post. that feels somewhat unreasonable and silly and the fact that she so quickly conceded the point being irrelevant when lissa asked her about it sorta tells me she didn't think too deeply about it, but its exactly the kind of read you WOULD think deeply about if you were the one to bring it up?

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i'm not unsympathetic to this view - just that it seemed like a mild detour to me and not somethign that she was really actively trying to drive, like a thought that occured i guess

on that note, i guess its the same with the waza townread thing

so maybe given its a pattern i should think on it more

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Originally Posted by pzelda

So, catching up.
p1: waza v, annika v, benneh (if nebijamm is benneh) might be v, but their activity seems little artificial, little bit like busy work I don't know who Stett is, v reads are basically for throwing v reads in early, visor and lissa not so towny so far
p2: lissa still not very towny imho, they're getting weird free town reads, I like sunbae's entrance - straight to business, probably v
p3 (and p4): friends chatting - I can't take a whole lot from that atm, taffy looks slightly w for their entrance and their lines of questioning stuff, there's some negativity, weird reasons for voting benneh and they were rooting out some of the early v leans of other players. All wolfy tbh, could be w/w with Maple for that bomb inventor comment.
p5: I skipped some long comments from waza, I should return to them and read them properly to see if they hold any water. Stett (didistetter, I understand now) can be villa lean for wanting to eat? The rest of that post is fairly weak and quite defensive tho. Pointing out fair enough probably nai but I also feel like taking that v lean back.
p6: Visor's not towny here, I kind of want to see townreads from him. Most of his stuff is negative. The single townread is ok and I think it makes annika quite likely town for a half-stupid reason. If Visor is wolf he probably is trying to pocket them. If he's town, his reads tended to be good.
p7: Also Annika not townreading Visor for that is a good look.

Villas - Annika, waza, sunbae
Villa leans - Benneh
Nulls - Ender, ladd
Negative vibes - Stett, Visor, Lissa, Maple
Wolf leans - taffy

vote: Totally not Taffy

Ok, I know I haven't provided any explanation for some of these, I might do it later or just answer any questions.

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villagery post m'lord

I think I should reread my negative vibes and my sole wolf lean first before reevaluating my townleans. One wolf among dya, rask and Arctic is quite possible too. Let's talk about my reads a little bit more.

waza - mostly an activity read, it feels like they're trying to solve the game and get it moving
sunbae - mostly the entrance
Annika - both their activity and them throwing reads around without anyone asking, plus everyone townreading them - they almost feel thread spewed
Benneh - mostly the activity, It looks like he's been throwing stuff at wall trying what would stick.
Ender - A little bit awkward, but there's not a whole lot a wolfiness in their posts. I should reread
Ladd - tbh I can't recall a single post being ai. People call him town for some reason and I recall that being meta, but I also recall Ladd being really helpful. I think giving him more time is the best possible option
Stett - tbh I have contradicting thoughts on this person. They're def among more laidback players around but I also lack more actual content.
Visor - feels quite negative and deconstructing the game atm. But tbf it might be him gathering intel to become constructive later on. It depends whether he delivers or not.
Lissa - I don't know about the townreads. They were just chilling in the thread talking about poof. The way lissa is getting townread almos feels like a wolf townread by town and other wolves jumping on the wave to me.
Maple - Interactions with Lissa and their posts being just shiptoasting. I know that's not a tell, tho. Feels less like an actual wolf than Lissa to me.
Taffy - I think I put my reasons in the previous post. Let's add that their posts felt a little bit forced disconnected from the thread. Why post ten times in a row at this stage in this way when no one's around?

All of these are early reads and I expect to see myself flip most of them once or twice d1(and get wolfread for that).
Also, It's my first game in I don't know how long. Maybe two years? And I randed mafia in that last game methinks.

Ok Visor has no reason trying to pocket me. I'm an easy target. That makes it more difficult to have him in wolf vibes.

Also, my secret scares are that waza is doing information overload or that benneh is powerwolfing. But if that's a case, i feel like he would go harder overall.
Annika is my only stronger town for now and I probably won't flip on them. Hell, I might even ride or die with that read.
Sunbae is my only strong gut impression.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok Visor has no reason trying to pocket me. I'm an easy target. That makes it more difficult to have him in wolf vibes.

Also, my secret scares are that waza is doing information overload or that benneh is powerwolfing. But if that's a case, i feel like he would go harder overall.
Annika is my only stronger town for now and I probably won't flip on them. Hell, I might even ride or die with that read.
Sunbae is my only strong gut impression.

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well theres plenty of reasons i could try to pocket you

but i liked the thoughts in your post (particularly noting that i hadn't really townread anyone)

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Originally Posted by Visor

well theres plenty of reasons i could try to pocket you

but i liked the thoughts in your post (particularly noting that i hadn't really townread anyone)

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So, why do you think Benneh has a different read? I feel slightly lazy responding to his wall in english atm, but that's one weird towncore and I would like to see the rest explained.
Also him spending most of the post on Annika and then meh voting ender just to vote I guess. Also, there's this lazy whatever energy to the rest of the post and the case on Annika is quite detailed and well laid out.
Tbh It might be an excellent point and it definitely goes against the thread which is good. But it's also what gives me some low energy power wolfing vibes from Benneh.
What's your opinion?

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok Visor has no reason trying to pocket me. I'm an easy target. That makes it more difficult to have him in wolf vibes.

Also, my secret scares are that waza is doing information overload or that benneh is powerwolfing. But if that's a case, i feel like he would go harder overall.
Annika is my only stronger town for now and I probably won't flip on them. Hell, I might even ride or die with that read.
Sunbae is my only strong gut impression.

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elaborate on the bolded if you can? what makes you think these things

your reads (not just bolded, but all of them) appear quite surface level (i mean this in a non-derogatory way) but i'd love to see how you piece some of this together if you put a little more into them beyond that. everyone you've talked about is an exceedingly elite wolf -- which is not meant to offer up scares or anything -- but it does leave some of my curiosity wanting in how you are parsing the game.

namely, your posts seem decently townyso far. but i feel like i'd want to see more how you're parsing level 1/2/3 before i factor in integrating your own reads and my own though (e.g. we are somewhat at odds on your annika and lissa reads but that's ok)

and if there's nothing to offer up on that front yet that's fine but i guess just know i'm curious for later when/if it ever does

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Maple - Interactions with Lissa and their posts being just shiptoasting. I know that's not a tell, tho. Feels less like an actual wolf than Lissa to me.

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i'm also very curious about this one

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

vote: Enderwiggin

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i've got moderate townleans on lissa/taffy/stett/visor. of those, i actually think i'm most confident about visor. the others feel right but they are also based off things that are light (taffy, here's your rhyme scheme). I feel like with visor's posts its more than just vibes/easy clearances so even though he's probably got the widest range of the 4 i feel best about that one since there's more concrete stuff to attach to it

waza is kinda murky for me but i've liked his last few hours or whatever

ladd is pure null
haru is ~near pure null with a moderate concern
maple is the wolfy side of null. just kind of feels like a bit of RME there when i judge their game entry vs lissa's when they share similar context. this might be unfair and i acknowledge that but i don't really care.

annika is an interesting one for me. i'm probably going to leave her be for now but i highly dislike her getting hung up on the manti post. that feels somewhat unreasonable and silly and the fact that she so quickly conceded the point being irrelevant when lissa asked her about it sorta tells me she didn't think too deeply about it, but its exactly the kind of read you WOULD think deeply about if you were the one to bring it up?

i also dislike her towning haru here in her core and replacing me (im mad cause bad (but sincerely, that reads strange to me)) out of it.

i'm sympathetic to visor's idea that i could be reading too much into the manti piece. also, if manti is a wolf, that is maybe a good look for annika rather than a 'guilty conscience' type of find on a partner, but it just doesn't strike me as an annika-y thing to look into.

my ender vote is somewhat a meme cause i feel like i always vote him around this time on d1 in org games but its also kinda not a meme. idk we'll figure it out eventually.

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i'm off to the office today and i prob need to tone it down on posts anyway, so have fun piecing me up over this while i'm gone, but basically where i stand above

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Fwiw I’ve defs seen Annika do that before

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

elaborate on the bolded if you can? what makes you think these things

your reads (not just bolded, but all of them) appear quite surface level (i mean this in a non-derogatory way) but i'd love to see how you piece some of this together if you put a little more into them beyond that. everyone you've talked about is an exceedingly elite wolf -- which is not meant to offer up scares or anything -- but it does leave some of my curiosity wanting in how you are parsing the game.

namely, your posts seem decently townyso far. but i feel like i'd want to see more how you're parsing level 1/2/3 before i factor in integrating your own reads and my own though (e.g. we are somewhat at odds on your annika and lissa reads but that's ok)

and if there's nothing to offer up on that front yet that's fine but i guess just know i'm curious for later when/if it ever does

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Ok, I'll try.
I know most of you. I even played some Mashes with Lissa and others few years back. I know many of you can be scary wolves and I tend to get paranoid d1. That means I often end up being hedgy and in most of my more recent games I wasn't very active and got chopped d1.
I admit it's a little bit of meta, but I know Visor can push me as a wolf. He always managed to find me when I was a wolf too. So, him trying to pocket me would be a new thing. Also him calling that post villagery for that reason alone would be a stupid move. He could do it for later town cred or he could ignore it or question some of my points as a wolf. Actually I think that would be the most reasonable thing to do from a wolf's point of view. I would either explain them well or I would get lost and he would have an ideal opportunity to call me a wolf.

Btw You're correct. My reads are shallow and I'm trying to make that transparent.

Your powerwolfing. See that might be another shard of meta. I know you're great at wolfing. But I don't really recall your style. I can't really base my takes on your meta. That's where the idea started. But in context of this game it works as well. You've been active and pushing other players. But I can't see the direction you're pushing in - your agenda. You're not exactly pushing a certain player in order to start a wagon on them. There were basically no wolfreads on you to uproot, so that's a difficult part to read. I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself well here, but something in your posts is murky and it could be possibly wolfy (like you uprooting Annika townreads with your counter take), but it's not quite there and you're not quite in the position to run the thread. Also, It might be too early for all of this.

So, Sunbae has this masterful entrance and the rest of his posts are all chill vibes, mostly fluffing with others. That's my impression without rereading them at least. There might be more content in them. But I think it's enough. There's a strong first impression Sun needed to share and then they just wanted to hang out. Frankly the newer posts in the thread weren't super ai. nd Sunbae just dialing back gave me a really good gut feel. They didn't feel forced to solve or fabricate more reads.

Ok, I hope this explains my thoughts a little bit.

I think an ender vote will probs be the least info providing vote lol, especially since he’s probs v imo

I get why you might do it, and if part of it I’m guessing is the hopes it will drive him to be more productive or readable fypo. But from memory I don’t think it’s gonna work, he usually has his mind made up on whatever meme and gimmick he’s gonna do d1 and tends to stick to it but eventually later on in the game after a couple of days starts to pick up and play properly.

One might call me a hypocrite since my vote is on rask, but the difference is that rask is a wolf and meowted

I’m gonna rescind the inkling of a town lean I had on Zelda for their posts just now

not a scum lean but I think I am making a fundamental mistake just calling them town for their tone and focus so far since the idea comes from a place of ignorance

this is more for me than anyone else

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

I’m gonna rescind the inkling of a town lean I had on Zelda for their posts just now

not a scum lean but I think I am making a fundamental mistake just calling them town for their tone and focus so far since the idea comes from a place of ignorance

this is more for me than anyone else

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That’s probs the correct play

But imma tr them anyways lol, a couple of things here and there I noticed that I think a wolf in their position wouldn’t fake

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i'm also very curious about this one

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Btw is Manti? That would explain their style. Also, I kind of wish not knowing. It might be cool to work without that meta. Maybe it's because Maple started that conversation and Lissa reacted to it without trying to do anything else. All of that might be just two old friends having a good time or Lissa having a lighthearted conversation with her wolfbuddy. Because it's easier to interact like this without the interaction feeling forced. It's a good way to establish interaction w/w. Also you can use it to townlean each other later for a good chat later on.
And Lissa being more wolfy is because of her previous entrance, which on its own is nai, but my take here is that after returning to the thread and finding some actual content, she would be more likely to interact with reads in a meaningful way. Instead she decided to fluff with Maple.

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

I’m gonna rescind the inkling of a town lean I had on Zelda for their posts just now

not a scum lean but I think I am making a fundamental mistake just calling them town for their tone and focus so far since the idea comes from a place of ignorance

this is more for me than anyone else

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they seem pretty out of their wolfrange to me tbh



stett's posting doesnt make much sense to me, prolly not in a good way

Benneh I recall playing that Hydra game with you. I was a hydra with UFO and you were one with Pizza. We killed you n1. At least that's my recollection.

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ladd town

im calling annika and maple a diff check

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why would they even fake those reads for "content"

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for full transparency only one of my reads so far has been genuine. Rn i'm more info gathering. no i won't say which yet need some responses first :3

visor what are ur thoughts on waza and sunbae so far?

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my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.

i also dont think maple/annika is a diff check.

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like wat.gif

that whole page of posting from stett is just super weird as benneh pointed out

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Vote: Waza

@Totally not Taffy actually jk: i kinda thought waza TMId me/ben/annika town and went ahead and punted those TRs because he expected us to be tr, but then kinda walked them back when he saw ben vote me and then hedged the annika read behind refusing to explain.

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i find bolded not very believable but ymmv

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i've never seen you as wolf in longform.

My experience with w!you in mashes is you flake, but mash timezones are rough obvi.

So no, i don't have a good metric for you.

Your posts and approach angles just feel v wolfy to me so far, not meta, just holistically.

dwbi, just do your and solve away from me

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this post just seems wolfy, esp last line. kinda dismissal

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my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.

i also dont think maple/annika is a diff check.

ben, i was kinda struggling to process your approach and tone a lil but as i was thinking through annika's posts and the waza interactions your q that i pointed out to taffy kinda scratched a towny spot for me, so i flipped you back to probs town

i think annika and waza both have weird stuff but aren't paired
i think lissa and taffy are towny, and i liked taffy's process towards the sunbae poking
i think ben is proooooobs town but that's partially built on my waza sl and unalignment and whatnot. probs wont be able to firm a read till he has the chance to actually push stuff

that's it

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i dislike this whole post, but the confidence levels in the waza read in particular is just pretty wtf worthy IYAM

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Your posts and approach angles just feel v wolfy to me so far, not meta, just holistically.

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(post above is talking about waza)

here too, the confidence and reasoning just seems made up. if i had a dollar every time a wolf made a sentence like the above i'd be rich




caveat: i'll take strongly into account benneh's read on stett but since he doesnt seem to feel so strongly about it, full speed ahead for now

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Benneh I recall playing that Hydra game with you. I was a hydra with UFO and you were one with Pizza. We killed you n1. At least that's my recollection.

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I remember hydraing with pizza once but absolutely nothing about the game hehe
@ladd choo choo, I’m not strong arming anyone’s reads atp itg gopher it :curtain:

benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically

waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game

lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager





why do u villa read ender @waza?

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Originally Posted by ladd

benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically

waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game

lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager





why do u villa read ender @waza?

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sup ladd

thoughts re taffy?

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sup ladd

thoughts re taffy?

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more likely wolf than villager but it's pretty thin

their push on benneh reminded me a bit of their wolf game where it felt like it was a bit too narrating of what happened vs why it's wolfy and a bit narrow

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more likely wolf than villager but it's pretty thin

their push on benneh reminded me a bit of their wolf game where it felt like it was a bit too narrating of what happened vs why it's wolfy and a bit narrow

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i agree with some narrowness of perspective from them and 100% on the narration aspect

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ladd town

im calling annika and maple a diff check

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???oh nyo not again???

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i was incredibly unhappy with how that last game went

i was working very long hours at the time and i realised after d1 that i just can't play werewolf if i am working those hours because its not fair to anyone to have someone who can only play like i was there

so i haven't played until my hours settled down

i don't think i would be fired up, especially in a 50 post game, but i would be determined to put in a good showing if i randed wolf for sure

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i was pretty excited to get to wolf together but that game ended up being a bit of a clusterfuck lol

is what it is tho, if ur too busy to play nothing much you can do about it

writing little poems dunking on the wagons was pretty funny tho!

hoping to have a nice, clean normal game here. last couple org games have been CRAZY for me, but the pl seems chill and i htink 50 posts is small enough that i'll be able to vibe for hte most post

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Btw is Manti? That would explain their style. Also, I kind of wish not knowing. It might be cool to work without that meta. Maybe it's because Maple started that conversation and Lissa reacted to it without trying to do anything else. All of that might be just two old friends having a good time or Lissa having a lighthearted conversation with her wolfbuddy. Because it's easier to interact like this without the interaction feeling forced. It's a good way to establish interaction w/w. Also you can use it to townlean each other later for a good chat later on.
And Lissa being more wolfy is because of her previous entrance, which on its own is nai, but my take here is that after returning to the thread and finding some actual content, she would be more likely to interact with reads in a meaningful way. Instead she decided to fluff with Maple.

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hiiiiii sorry im really bad with names, how do we know each other? Im guessing via MU, do you have a dif name there? fwiw im VERY different now, if youre someone from the 2017-2019 range! i only got back into playing again just last year, was on a v long break prior to that.

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why would they even fake those reads for "content"
*snip*

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ye was skimming this morning and i suppose what had stood out to me the most is that stett didnt wait for us to get online and at laset react to the string before retracting it

she KNOWS i hate the word "difference check" so youd think she'd keep it up long enough for me to come dunk on the fake read to merhaps get a look into my alignment first

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im not much of an annika reader. The two experiences w/ her that stand out the most were teh FTR game where she got MLd by the evil and menacing katz and the HSR game. In the ftr game i think she was MEGA pure before her death, but atp it was sort of inevitible. In the hsr game she was like... strictly speaking sorta wolfy but not in a wolf way. She got cleared by basically everyone despite some wolfsiding and stuff just off of raw socials.

all's that to say i dont really have a strong feeling on her atm. is her questions of my posts weird? maybe, i dont know. im more or less just hopiing that future me can find her when it matters, cause i have been able to the last couple times.

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i think lissa has really improved her d1 play, especially recently. she hasnt been accused of lacking the last couple games even! we've talked about her meta a decent bit in both dvcs and wcs and i think the idea of 'she gets wolfread early because she is very commonly out of phase' makes a lot of sense to me. i think it is therefore very reasonable for like zelda and *whoever the other person was* to w read her opening, but honestly i dont think she's done anything particularly ai so far. feel free to yolo a v on her for the whole "i beleive you that you havent randed wolf again" tho, i dont believe that you beleive that but that's okay ?

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waza is a PR and we WILL be roleswapping on d4. this will cause us to lose the game.

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mmm dont really have thoughts on taffy, visor seems fine esp w/ the "too many Os post", ladd seems fine, benneh could go either way, zelda is generically villagery in the sense that they're going to flip a strong village PR at eod1, ender has posts, sunbae has posts

and stett REALLY doesn't want to die d1

is that everyone who's posted sofar?

bruh emoji wre showing up in the preview but they got wiped away

https://i.imgur.com/j4zr0Iy.png


and there was a blush emoji somewhere in there

wait am i allowed to sewar

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wait am i allowed to sewar

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Gh will ban you

Also zelda is capage fyi

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wait am i allowed to sewar

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yes

pzelda is capage

got any thoughts on stett outside of difference check stuff?

looked up games i had in common with capage (i remember the name ye)

wtf was stormtossed? lmao i barely remember that game

anyway

i think my good friend and pal Didi S. Tutter doesnt wanna die today and projected an air of usefulness to avoid such a fate. havent interacted with her yet, so dont really have a good grasp of some of the micro level stuff that i'd previously noted from other games (wrt the way it seems she bites into thigns as w vs v (tho i think our only longform v/w so far were Bean and hsr so i dont actually know if i got that good of a grasp on it))

so tldr

eh idk she was obv very bothered the way the last 2 games have gone and doesnt want a repeat but i dont think that that is ai for her here. doubt i get a great read tehre until she gets serious about a read; the lissa read just isnt enough.,

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wtf was stormtossed? lmao i barely remember that game

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oh this was during my "honorary australian" era

good times, 2021 me was funny

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benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically

waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game

lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager





why do u villa read ender @waza?

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Why is lissa threadspewed?

This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

We played quite a few games together, Manti, but I never was a proper household name on MU. I think I started playing there during the fourth season of the champs. Dunno how long ago that was.

Good comments btw. There's not to add. I guess Ladd v, because of the drive. It's towny and people calling ladd town before that either wanted to have a good read because of the meta or they were wolves afraid of scumreading someone who can be obvious as town. At least that's my feeling rn and I'm writing this mostly for myself as a note to hunt down these early ladd v reads later.
And I should explain why I think ladd is town now. I like them calling multiple players villagers in #207. I like what he's doing with the Benneh read. I like the push on Stett too.

If Maple is town, his style is different. I only recall several walls from wolf Manti, but they were quite easy to dismantle as a bunch of nonsence put together for posterity. This wall on the first look made a good impression. On the second look it's more filled meta and little memories than with actual solving. I think the only read I can get from him is not w/w with Stett based on the waz Maple interacted with Ladd in #216.

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This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

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You shoul ask the pizza guy, if he's still around.

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benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically

waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game

lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager





why do u villa read ender @waza?

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I asked his some questions and his answers were pretty bad lol

(That’s the serious but oversimplified version with a bit of meta as well)

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This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

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Errr it seems like you already know what you’re missing, believe it or not the confidence thing is something I can relate with. But for me it’s for dif reasons why I’m less confident now than I used to. Idk the way to work around it, I suppose just tell yourself it’s okay to be wrong and in the long run it doesn’t matter as long as ur not being an ass with the way you go about it.

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why would they even fake those reads for "content"




like wat.gif

that whole page of posting from stett is just super weird as benneh pointed out




i find bolded not very believable but ymmv



this post just seems wolfy, esp last line. kinda dismissal

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With the first one I’ll wait and let her explain

Yeah in hindsight “faking” her reads probs gives wolf!her and excuse to back out of townreading me early and pivot into pushing me, she probs thought I was towny cos tmi but then saw others pushing me realised she could get away with it, that’s the wolf reason, I’m not sure why town!her would do it, again I’ll leave that for her to explain

The third part- lol the bolded was the part of that post that being me the most too. ESP because it’s another example of her kinda just not paying attention to detail. First time was when she claimed I changed my read on her because of what Ben said but Ben didn’t post at all during the time in which I changed my read. The second was when she clearly called u town but then claimed she never trd you when I asked why she doesn’t listen to ur read on me. Third time is claiming I hedged on Annika when I have called her an inno child all game and there is no instance of me hedging


The fourth part — lol the last line is actually one of the towniest things she’s said to me, she defs has used that line as a villa before so it’s not wolfy for her, if she’s a wolf she’s mimicking her town play with that last line

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Annika is my only stronger town for now and I probably won't flip on them. Hell, I might even ride or die with that read.

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~:cheers:
nice to meet you! I think your depth of thought is pretty villagery (specifically your read on Lissa—this level of worldbuilding feels like a villagery flow of thoughts)

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Lissa - I don't know about the townreads. They were just chilling in the thread talking about poof. The way lissa is getting townread almos feels like a wolf townread by town and other wolves jumping on the wave to me.

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and I like the way you hark back to it by prodding Ladd on his read in 207.

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Why is lissa threadspewed?

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makes me feel like your reads dont just Exist for the sake of being villagery and that you have actual interest in them

...speaking of 207... @ladd I'm curious if there's anything specific that makes you think Ben is going to be the N1?

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benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

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his worldview is a bit different from yours atm, most notably the Stett read, so I'm wondering if this comment was prompted by anything or if it was just bc he's a generally good player. (no shade intended ftr because that's not an inherently contradictory thought, but it's still something that interests me)

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i also dislike her towning haru here in her core and replacing me (im mad cause bad (but sincerely, that reads strange to me)) out of it.

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I didn't mean that as a scumlean on you or anything eheh. I do think you're townie tbh
but also, what do you dislike about me towning Sunbae specifically?

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This is going to be one of those things where I don't know whats happening and get cleared for it but why does it never happen when I rand wolf :wall:

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idk I know she's an elite wolf and all but cmon xD this is so pure

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im not much of an annika reader. The two experiences w/ her that stand out the most were teh FTR game where she got MLd by the evil and menacing katz and the HSR game. In the ftr game i think she was MEGA pure before her death, but atp it was sort of inevitible. In the hsr game she was like... strictly speaking sorta wolfy but not in a wolf way. She got cleared by basically everyone despite some wolfsiding and stuff just off of raw socials.

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tf do you mean wolfside... i literally only voted wolves after D1.....

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So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

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also @Maple what do you need help with in terms of your town game, besides confidence? what's your benchmark?

hai

LMAO oh my god i changed the wrong avatar

there was this other setting to let you add a picture only visible on your profile but i think i changed the main one

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We played quite a few games together, Manti, but I never was a proper household name on MU. I think I started playing there during the fourth season of the champs. Dunno how long ago that was.

Good comments btw. There's not to add. I guess Ladd v, because of the drive. It's towny and people calling ladd town before that either wanted to have a good read because of the meta or they were wolves afraid of scumreading someone who can be obvious as town. At least that's my feeling rn and I'm writing this mostly for myself as a note to hunt down these early ladd v reads later.
And I should explain why I think ladd is town now. I like them calling multiple players villagers in #207. I like what he's doing with the Benneh read. I like the push on Stett too.

If Maple is town, his style is different. I only recall several walls from wolf Manti, but they were quite easy to dismantle as a bunch of nonsence put together for posterity. This wall on the first look made a good impression. On the second look it's more filled meta and little memories than with actual solving. I think the only read I can get from him is not w/w with Stett based on the waz Maple interacted with Ladd in #216.

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My style is VERY different! I wear a lot of plaid now :3

I def member you yeah, tho that was foreeeever ago. Your reads itg seem straight forward enough for me in a way taht I like this early.

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Errr it seems like you already know what you’re missing, believe it or not the confidence thing is something I can relate with. But for me it’s for dif reasons why I’m less confident now than I used to. Idk the way to work around it, I suppose just tell yourself it’s okay to be wrong and in the long run it doesn’t matter as long as ur not being an ass with the way you go about it.

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yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like it might really just all come down to that. i feel like i could write 5 guides on how to village proficiently, so obviously my fundamentals and general process must be at least *fine*. And when I play with hydras/on teams things generally go fairly well! Which is probably ya know putting two minds together, and having someone to confbias your good reads and sanity check you on stuff.

like in indie mash i think me believing you were the lw and that you were never, ever gonna actually try to kill me let me post at you in a way that won you over, and if you think about it that's sort of it's own form of confidence.

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You shoul ask the pizza guy, if he's still around.

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lol he is but we are pretty incompatible as far as ww is concerned

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tf do you mean wolfside... i literally only voted wolves after D1.....



also @Maple what do you need help with in terms of your town game, besides confidence? what's your benchmark?

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grrr you didnt cfd the meowted wolf with me lissa and juls

and you were WRONG on MECH (wolf siding is probably putting it too strongly, but you were counter to a lot of the worldbuilding i was doing + your handling of the claims + adven d2 made it hard to v read you, except for the fact that you were just so insanely pure socially)

And ye that's the question I suppose. I think it might have to do with putting it all together. I like my socials. I don't play to get v read, really, and I think that's okay because people usually come around on me when I need to clutch up. When the mid-late game hits, I'm quite good at worldbuilding and I can generally divine what wolfchat is thinking better than most players. Plus, I'm one of the few people who actually have >rand thoughts looking at vote counts.

I think a major issue for me is getting into things in the early game. I like having a LOT of information to work with, and I like having had realtime with people to sort things out. Ya know, send someone a paragraph, see how they respond, continue the convo, etc. I think something like "be more like newcomb" is an overly lofty goal, generally speaking, but he has a way with things, of drawing connections between things and really getting a good look at what people are thinking or what their motivations might be, and he does it quickly. I feel like that's a big part of why he does so well on D1s. It's not really emulateble.

It's funny, I had a convo w/ tess about like... ways to force people to give better more logical reads? Like, if someone says a statement confidently, you need to figure out why, and see if they can refute counterarguments or if they're just contradicting you or counterarguging you on a basic, non-logical level. I've been able to integrate that into my wolf play, but im not 100p sure how to intigrate it with my other social tools as v. But I think that that'd be a big starting point.

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...speaking of 207... @ladd I'm curious if there's anything specific that makes you think Ben is going to be the N1?

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ANYWAY all that aside, back to the game. This seems like an odd question to me. I'm weighing if it's an artifact of your *relative* newness or what. But I'll just see what ladd things about it for now :hide:

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hai

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oh hi didnt know you were here hiiiiii

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wazaaaaa what useless fluff task do you think i should do? point me at a player and i'll hound em

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I didn't mean that as a scumlean on you or anything eheh. I do think you're townie tbh
but also, what do you dislike about me towning Sunbae specifically?



idk I know she's an elite wolf and all but cmon xD this is so pure

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that’s his wolfiest post!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV_4XXpxO8w

:bow:Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0:bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 231

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	EnderWiggin	nebjiamn (34)
1	waza	didistetter (17)
1	Raskolnikov	waza (43)
1	Totally not Taffy	pzelda (11)
1	nebjiamn	Totally not Taffy (10)
10	Not Voting	Arctic (2), EnderWiggin (12), Lissa (14), Maple (16), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), Totally not Taffy (10), annika (19), dyachei (0), ladd (12)

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Originally Posted by Gemma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV_4XXpxO8w

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Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 231

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	EnderWiggin	nebjiamn (34)
1	waza	didistetter (17)
1	Raskolnikov	waza (43)
1	Totally not Taffy	pzelda (11)
1	nebjiamn	Totally not Taffy (10)
10	Not Voting	Arctic (2), EnderWiggin (12), Lissa (14), Maple (16), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), Totally not Taffy (10), annika (19), dyachei (0), ladd (12)

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There are two taffies and no me lol

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Originally Posted by Visor

There are two taffies and no me lol

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You’ve been replaced, you are now a taffling

meow sorry i feel really lazy and useless today

i need a second wind but it's actually a first wind

i had no wind

i think annika townread waza for the correct reason on page 1

i think he made too many reads too early for not great reasons in a way that wolf him would generally avoid

i'm townreading them both for this but mainly waza

i like ben's energy too but this prob isn't super indicative - also are you really gonna play champs next year? that's kinda hype if you're fr

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Originally Posted by waza

How many in rask ladd taffy dya?

Hopefully not more than 1 because these are some of my fav people to be town with but I’m getting an inkling it’s maybe 2 just by rng and stuff

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wow you listed all the people 0 posting except me i'm actually crying rn

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i believe the lissa relief vibes and entry more than the mantis

Moderately reluctant tr for lissa there

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honestly i think they are both townie

everyone is kinda townie except 1 guy... imo...

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Originally Posted by Visor

There are two taffies and no me lol

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listen i don't make the rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebxTkAJ4oMY

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Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 237

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
1	EnderWiggin	nebjiamn (35)
1	didistetter	Visor (24)
1	waza	didistetter (17)
1	Raskolnikov	waza (43)
1	Totally not Taffy	pzelda (11)
1	nebjiamn	Totally not Taffy (10)
10	Not Voting	Arctic (5), EnderWiggin (12), Lissa (14), Maple (16), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), annika (19), dyachei (0), ladd (12)

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Originally Posted by annika

well just like



if the last game you randed town in was pokemash then that means you didn't rand town in this game

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oknvm you are wolf BYE