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[ladd]

benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically

waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game

lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager





why do u villa read ender @waza?

[Visor]

benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically

waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game

lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager





why do u villa read ender @waza?

sup ladd

thoughts re taffy?

[ladd]

sup ladd

thoughts re taffy?

more likely wolf than villager but it's pretty thin

their push on benneh reminded me a bit of their wolf game where it felt like it was a bit too narrating of what happened vs why it's wolfy and a bit narrow

[Visor]

more likely wolf than villager but it's pretty thin

their push on benneh reminded me a bit of their wolf game where it felt like it was a bit too narrating of what happened vs why it's wolfy and a bit narrow

i agree with some narrowness of perspective from them and 100% on the narration aspect

[annika]

Annika is my only stronger town for now and I probably won't flip on them. Hell, I might even ride or die with that read.

nice to meet you! I think your depth of thought is pretty villagery (specifically your read on Lissa—this level of worldbuilding feels like a villagery flow of thoughts)

Lissa - I don't know about the townreads. They were just chilling in the thread talking about poof. The way lissa is getting townread almos feels like a wolf townread by town and other wolves jumping on the wave to me.

and I like the way you hark back to it by prodding Ladd on his read in 207.

Why is lissa threadspewed?

makes me feel like your reads dont just Exist for the sake of being villagery and that you have actual interest in them

...speaking of 207... @ladd I'm curious if there's anything specific that makes you think Ben is going to be the N1?

benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

his worldview is a bit different from yours atm, most notably the Stett read, so I'm wondering if this comment was prompted by anything or if it was just bc he's a generally good player. (no shade intended ftr because that's not an inherently contradictory thought, but it's still something that interests me)

[pzelda]

benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed

visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically

waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game

lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager





why do u villa read ender @waza?

Why is lissa threadspewed?

[Maple]

This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

[pzelda]

This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

You shoul ask the pizza guy, if he's still around.

[waza]

This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

Errr it seems like you already know what you’re missing, believe it or not the confidence thing is something I can relate with. But for me it’s for dif reasons why I’m less confident now than I used to. Idk the way to work around it, I suppose just tell yourself it’s okay to be wrong and in the long run it doesn’t matter as long as ur not being an ass with the way you go about it.

[annika]

im not much of an annika reader. The two experiences w/ her that stand out the most were teh FTR game where she got MLd by the evil and menacing katz and the HSR game. In the ftr game i think she was MEGA pure before her death, but atp it was sort of inevitible. In the hsr game she was like... strictly speaking sorta wolfy but not in a wolf way. She got cleared by basically everyone despite some wolfsiding and stuff just off of raw socials.

tf do you mean wolfside... i literally only voted wolves after D1.....

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

also @Maple what do you need help with in terms of your town game, besides confidence? what's your benchmark?

[Arctic]

hai

[Arctic]

LMAO oh my god i changed the wrong avatar

there was this other setting to let you add a picture only visible on your profile but i think i changed the main one

[Arctic]

This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

I'm not sure I can give you advice, but I can say that I relate to a lot of this

I'm more confident about what I have to do as wolf, and lying about things and manipulating people because when I have all the information it's a lot more obvious what plays will maximise my alignment's chance of winning, what MLs to push for, what stances to take, etc. But as town you don't - you don't know what the best thing to push for is. You don't want to be confident when you are wrong, and you don't want to hedge or get talked out of something when you're right. If you can trust yourself to not be a blithering idiot (which I can - I think you're pretty smart when you aren't messing around :p) then the answer is to just be more confident in yourself and the stances you decide to take. It's better to be confident and wrong than to lose because of apathy whether or not you were right or wrong. In the latter case, as you say, I think wolves can easily control the game even if you are right, either to push against your reads (because you lack confidence) or to get you misvoted because of how wishy washy you were playing. At least that's how I see all this.

Now I might be a bit of a hypocrite and often not act on what I'm saying, as I struggle with the same things, but I believe in what I'm saying here. "Just be more confident" isn't super actionable advice, so maybe it's better if you think about why you aren't confident and try to overcome that mental barrier. I've already brought up the idea that if you are unconfident and right it can be just as damaging as being confidently wrong, depending on the gamestate. So if town EV is what you're worried about, then it's often not a relevant concern. If you're worried about how you come across or the personal consequences of being wrong in a mafia game, then that's something you'll have to battle with yourself, but I can say that at least in this game I think everyone here is a reasonable person and you can rest assured that nobody will hold any misreads against you, so maybe you can experiment a bit with more confidence while you can be sure it won't backfire

I went from saying idk if I can give advice to just giving a bunch, while probably being the least qualified person here to do so lmao. but i hope this was helpful in some way <3

[Maple]

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ye i think that's a really big difference. the information disparity between alignments means wolfing is taking the game in aggregate and mapping out the optimal line to an endgame where you win. It's straight forward and you have *most* of the info you need, you just gotta adjust to unexpected stuff like PRs and all that jazz

whereas when youre village you sort of have to do that on a *social* level, eliminating players you dont think you can win with in endgame and trying to figure out who the wolves are based on socials and just general *truthfulness*. There's a lot of unknowns so its a LOT less strategic, and a lot more deductive. Which is hard! I do find that on average my reads are *not that bad*, though nothing crazy or anything.

So I personally have a frankly STAGGERING mount of confidence in my ability to think things through strategically, and a proveable trackrecord of being able to win people over socially, which means I'm just always gonna have the sauce as a wolf. So ye yall are probably right that I basically just need to force myself to have a bit more conviction, which is ANNOYING because that's like saying "yeah you just need to eat healthy, get out into nature, and get some exercise" like bithc i KNOW lol

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imma be so fr i got kinda impatient and wanted to post but didn't feel able to do much while i was projecting fake reads for reactions lol

not optimal but sometimes a gal get's yappy.

"stett REALLY doesn't want to die d1" is meaningless. I never want to die d1, I never plan on dying D1. I'm just as prideful and egoy as any other maf player and I have zero interest in being mislimmed. If you're working off a mental model of when i was a venge killer marked by wolf leader in a mash, then.... LOL ?

Oh? I'm sort of curious what you're looking for then. Do you think I'm working off the mental model of someone who randed vengeful and not the person who died d1-2 or died (or otherwise) unfulfillingly for the past... mm, I'm not really sure how many games. Whatever the exact number might be. Because what really gets me wondering is what's the point so far? Just messing around for fun, basically?

I'm completely happy to indulge yapping for yapping's sake, of course. The entire chain struck me as performative, except within the model of "wants to have the opportunity to play out a game", a bit of performativeness -- I think -- is permissible.

I don't rly think it's Stett tbh

What got you there bestie? You think your read on her is worth sheeping here?

[nebjiamn]

it’s interesting to me Ladd and visor have expressed early/initial wolf leans on taffy and that’s been largely not discussed vis a vis lots of other people’s takes on taffy’s initial posting

im not doing anything with that (and I realize I might be one of the people who could have moved that discussion prior to now but c’est la vie and all) but maybe others can talk about their read on taffy’s intro burst

stetts recent posting is kinda rough tonally, particularly to arcy re: ladds posts about her, :/

[EnderWiggin]

it’s interesting to me Ladd and visor have expressed early/initial wolf leans on taffy and that’s been largely not discussed vis a vis lots of other people’s takes on taffy’s initial posting

im not doing anything with that (and I realize I might be one of the people who could have moved that discussion prior to now but c’est la vie and all) but maybe others can talk about their read on taffy’s intro burst

stetts recent posting is kinda rough tonally, particularly to arcy re: ladds posts about her, :/

I mostly ignored it because I want to see more and I feel Taffy gets elimmed as town very easily over silly things.

[Arctic]

it’s interesting to me Ladd and visor have expressed early/initial wolf leans on taffy and that’s been largely not discussed vis a vis lots of other people’s takes on taffy’s initial posting

im not doing anything with that (and I realize I might be one of the people who could have moved that discussion prior to now but c’est la vie and all) but maybe others can talk about their read on taffy’s intro burst

stetts recent posting is kinda rough tonally, particularly to arcy re: ladds posts about her, :/

my initial impression was "yeah that's just town" because taffy doesn't.. really strike me as the type of player to go after a high influence thread leader as wolf, but ladd cited some meta which suggests otherwise (i think?) so i had to re-visit the actual substance of the takes, and from that i didn't really feel one way or another about her post on you, but i think her post about sunbae was pretty villagery? i agree that i don't reaally think sunbae would care about the 3 hour delay between lissa's posts. i never really verbalized any squinting at sunbae for this but it was something that crossed my mind

[didistetter]

Oh? I'm sort of curious what you're looking for then. Do you think I'm working off the mental model of someone who randed vengeful and not the person who died d1-2 or died (or otherwise) unfulfillingly for the past... mm, I'm not really sure how many games. Whatever the exact number might be. Because what really gets me wondering is what's the point so far? Just messing around for fun, basically?

I'm completely happy to indulge yapping for yapping's sake, of course. The entire chain struck me as performative, except within the model of "wants to have the opportunity to play out a game", a bit of performativeness -- I think -- is permissible.

hm.

I'm not just messing around for fun.
I'm also not yapping for yapping's sake.

This feels a little bit overly dismissive.

You said "i really don't want to die d1." that's useless to me b/c i never die d1. It's not something I need to want, b/c it doesn't happen.
The phrasing on that q to annika is kinda funky.


@ ben I read 209 and 210 but i don't really agree that taffy felt narratey. I'm considering cracking into a w!taffy scumrand to compare but ehhhhhh booo meta

115 116 idk this rlly isnt what id frame as wolfy commentary posting. It feels like taffy has underlying process

[pzelda]

I'm completely happy to indulge yapping for yapping's sake, of course. The entire chain struck me as performative, except within the model of "wants to have the opportunity to play out a game", a bit of performativeness -- I think -- is permissible.

Good morning, I'm just catching up before heading to work.
I like this part from Maple. I think he's trying to find a possible villager in didi and that's a good look. I also wonder if he's heading somewhere with his discussion on being a good villager.
Because I disliked that Arctic chose it as one of posts to react to. My first impression of Arctic isn't very good.

[Totally not Taffy]

This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

@Maple is this a pasta?

Taffy (25)

[Maple]

@Maple is this a pasta?

Taffy (25)

unfortunately not lol

[Totally not Taffy]

unfortunately not lol

All my hugs (I have no advice worth giving)

I'm liking your post
Would you like to mason (tomorrow, bc it's getting late and I prefer trying to read as much as I can over trying to be active when I'm this tired)?

Taffy (26)

[Totally not Taffy]

All my hugs (I have no advice worth giving)

I'm liking your post
Would you like to mason (tomorrow, bc it's getting late and I prefer trying to read as much as I can over trying to be active when I'm this tired)?

Taffy (26)

*posts

[annika]

All my hugs (I have no advice worth giving)

I'm liking your post
Would you like to mason (tomorrow, bc it's getting late and I prefer trying to read as much as I can over trying to be active when I'm this tired)?

Taffy (26)

@taffy the day ends in like two hours

[pzelda]

We played quite a few games together, Manti, but I never was a proper household name on MU. I think I started playing there during the fourth season of the champs. Dunno how long ago that was.

Good comments btw. There's not to add. I guess Ladd v, because of the drive. It's towny and people calling ladd town before that either wanted to have a good read because of the meta or they were wolves afraid of scumreading someone who can be obvious as town. At least that's my feeling rn and I'm writing this mostly for myself as a note to hunt down these early ladd v reads later.
And I should explain why I think ladd is town now. I like them calling multiple players villagers in #207. I like what he's doing with the Benneh read. I like the push on Stett too.

If Maple is town, his style is different. I only recall several walls from wolf Manti, but they were quite easy to dismantle as a bunch of nonsence put together for posterity. This wall on the first look made a good impression. On the second look it's more filled meta and little memories than with actual solving. I think the only read I can get from him is not w/w with Stett based on the waz Maple interacted with Ladd in #216.

[Maple]

We played quite a few games together, Manti, but I never was a proper household name on MU. I think I started playing there during the fourth season of the champs. Dunno how long ago that was.

Good comments btw. There's not to add. I guess Ladd v, because of the drive. It's towny and people calling ladd town before that either wanted to have a good read because of the meta or they were wolves afraid of scumreading someone who can be obvious as town. At least that's my feeling rn and I'm writing this mostly for myself as a note to hunt down these early ladd v reads later.
And I should explain why I think ladd is town now. I like them calling multiple players villagers in #207. I like what he's doing with the Benneh read. I like the push on Stett too.

If Maple is town, his style is different. I only recall several walls from wolf Manti, but they were quite easy to dismantle as a bunch of nonsence put together for posterity. This wall on the first look made a good impression. On the second look it's more filled meta and little memories than with actual solving. I think the only read I can get from him is not w/w with Stett based on the waz Maple interacted with Ladd in #216.

My style is VERY different! I wear a lot of plaid now :3

I def member you yeah, tho that was foreeeever ago. Your reads itg seem straight forward enough for me in a way taht I like this early.

Errr it seems like you already know what you’re missing, believe it or not the confidence thing is something I can relate with. But for me it’s for dif reasons why I’m less confident now than I used to. Idk the way to work around it, I suppose just tell yourself it’s okay to be wrong and in the long run it doesn’t matter as long as ur not being an ass with the way you go about it.

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like it might really just all come down to that. i feel like i could write 5 guides on how to village proficiently, so obviously my fundamentals and general process must be at least *fine*. And when I play with hydras/on teams things generally go fairly well! Which is probably ya know putting two minds together, and having someone to confbias your good reads and sanity check you on stuff.

like in indie mash i think me believing you were the lw and that you were never, ever gonna actually try to kill me let me post at you in a way that won you over, and if you think about it that's sort of it's own form of confidence.

You shoul ask the pizza guy, if he's still around.

lol he is but we are pretty incompatible as far as ww is concerned

tf do you mean wolfside... i literally only voted wolves after D1.....



also @Maple what do you need help with in terms of your town game, besides confidence? what's your benchmark?

grrr you didnt cfd the meowted wolf with me lissa and juls

and you were WRONG on MECH (wolf siding is probably putting it too strongly, but you were counter to a lot of the worldbuilding i was doing + your handling of the claims + adven d2 made it hard to v read you, except for the fact that you were just so insanely pure socially)

And ye that's the question I suppose. I think it might have to do with putting it all together. I like my socials. I don't play to get v read, really, and I think that's okay because people usually come around on me when I need to clutch up. When the mid-late game hits, I'm quite good at worldbuilding and I can generally divine what wolfchat is thinking better than most players. Plus, I'm one of the few people who actually have >rand thoughts looking at vote counts.

I think a major issue for me is getting into things in the early game. I like having a LOT of information to work with, and I like having had realtime with people to sort things out. Ya know, send someone a paragraph, see how they respond, continue the convo, etc. I think something like "be more like newcomb" is an overly lofty goal, generally speaking, but he has a way with things, of drawing connections between things and really getting a good look at what people are thinking or what their motivations might be, and he does it quickly. I feel like that's a big part of why he does so well on D1s. It's not really emulateble.

It's funny, I had a convo w/ tess about like... ways to force people to give better more logical reads? Like, if someone says a statement confidently, you need to figure out why, and see if they can refute counterarguments or if they're just contradicting you or counterarguging you on a basic, non-logical level. I've been able to integrate that into my wolf play, but im not 100p sure how to intigrate it with my other social tools as v. But I think that that'd be a big starting point.

...speaking of 207... @ladd I'm curious if there's anything specific that makes you think Ben is going to be the N1?

ANYWAY all that aside, back to the game. This seems like an odd question to me. I'm weighing if it's an artifact of your *relative* newness or what. But I'll just see what ladd things about it for now

hai

oh hi didnt know you were here hiiiiii

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wazaaaaa what useless fluff task do you think i should do? point me at a player and i'll hound em

[waza]

My style is VERY different! I wear a lot of plaid now :3

I def member you yeah, tho that was foreeeever ago. Your reads itg seem straight forward enough for me in a way taht I like this early.



yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like it might really just all come down to that. i feel like i could write 5 guides on how to village proficiently, so obviously my fundamentals and general process must be at least *fine*. And when I play with hydras/on teams things generally go fairly well! Which is probably ya know putting two minds together, and having someone to confbias your good reads and sanity check you on stuff.

like in indie mash i think me believing you were the lw and that you were never, ever gonna actually try to kill me let me post at you in a way that won you over, and if you think about it that's sort of it's own form of confidence.



lol he is but we are pretty incompatible as far as ww is concerned



grrr you didnt cfd the meowted wolf with me lissa and juls

and you were WRONG on MECH (wolf siding is probably putting it too strongly, but you were counter to a lot of the worldbuilding i was doing + your handling of the claims + adven d2 made it hard to v read you, except for the fact that you were just so insanely pure socially)

And ye that's the question I suppose. I think it might have to do with putting it all together. I like my socials. I don't play to get v read, really, and I think that's okay because people usually come around on me when I need to clutch up. When the mid-late game hits, I'm quite good at worldbuilding and I can generally divine what wolfchat is thinking better than most players. Plus, I'm one of the few people who actually have >rand thoughts looking at vote counts.

I think a major issue for me is getting into things in the early game. I like having a LOT of information to work with, and I like having had realtime with people to sort things out. Ya know, send someone a paragraph, see how they respond, continue the convo, etc. I think something like "be more like newcomb" is an overly lofty goal, generally speaking, but he has a way with things, of drawing connections between things and really getting a good look at what people are thinking or what their motivations might be, and he does it quickly. I feel like that's a big part of why he does so well on D1s. It's not really emulateble.

It's funny, I had a convo w/ tess about like... ways to force people to give better more logical reads? Like, if someone says a statement confidently, you need to figure out why, and see if they can refute counterarguments or if they're just contradicting you or counterarguging you on a basic, non-logical level. I've been able to integrate that into my wolf play, but im not 100p sure how to intigrate it with my other social tools as v. But I think that that'd be a big starting point.



ANYWAY all that aside, back to the game. This seems like an odd question to me. I'm weighing if it's an artifact of your *relative* newness or what. But I'll just see what ladd things about it for now



oh hi didnt know you were here hiiiiii

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wazaaaaa what useless fluff task do you think i should do? point me at a player and i'll hound em

Ooo take your pick between sunbae lissa taffy or arctic

These are probs the players I’d want more info on

Why’d you specifically ask me this btw? (I’m glad you did, just curious lol)

[waza]

Stetts town locking it in

We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days

[EnderWiggin]

Stetts town locking it in

We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days

Join me on Artuwuic

[annika]

Stetts town locking it in

We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days

why do you TR Ender o: