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I would give these links a try, for everyone who wish to post screenies. You can register and get free image space...
https://www.photobucket.com
http://www.imageshack.us
Witty ~DQuote:
I like how this mod focuses on the vikings!(with the title: Viking Age!!)
You do? Sounds great ~:) If you wish to contact further, my msn/email is: yngvarv@hotmail.comQuote:
...I have a few graphics that might be off use.
Anyway of uploading images here without signing up to a third party spam fest?Quote:
Originally Posted by King Yngvar
How did you post those pics in your previous posts?
It seems a bit bizzare to have a modding forum were you can't upload images. :dizzy2:
Here's what I thought for the new factions :
The Senate > The Papacy
The Scipii > Western Franks
The Brutii > Eastern Franks
The Julii > The Kingdom of Asturias
The Greek Cities > The Kingdom of Italy
Macedon > The Byzantine Empire
The Seleucid Empire > The Bulgar Kaghnate
The Numidian > Al Andalus Khaliphate
The Carthaginian > Kievan Rus'
The Parthian > The Magyar
The Scythian > The Pole
The Egyptian > Ungrian people (don't remember their name)
The German > The Dane
The Gauls > Normandy
The Britons > Sweden
The Dace > Norway
Armenia > The Scot
Pontus > The Irish
The Iberian > Mercia
The Thracian > York
The Slaves > The Rebels
As you can see, there are 21 factions, slaves included, so we have to cut out another faction. I thought about the welsh, but any faction from britain could do it, since there are many people on a not so big island..
The factions in bold are the real important ones, since they will be the one that will receive missions from the senate, and will probably be allied at the beginning of the game. I think the 2 frankish factions must be allied with the senate. I chose the KoAsturia as the third faction because it was fully supported by the pope during their fight against Al Andalus.
We could also set the Kingdom of Italy as the third roman faction, so it doesn't attack the pope after a few turns.
Hopefully, the next patch will allow us to add new factions.
Heres two flags I made for Ireland based on your info. I prefer the white but whatever you think yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...landBanner.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...annerwhite.jpg
I resized these graphics that i did a couple of years ago for civ3. I thought they could be used to add a bit of unique flavour to the mod.
If you like them theres another 10 more.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../scotdiplo.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../frankhead.jpg
One minor addition to the flag I forgot would be the presence of three crosses in the lower left corner, arranged like:
1
1 1
The top cross and the lower left cross are typical Celtic crosses with 'halos' around the cross-point, and the the lower right is a cross with no halo. Otherwise, very good looking flags, except the yellow variant would be paler. It's an almost white-yellow (probably why mine has few traces of the yellow color left in it). Also, this board displays it improperly. The top cross is in the middle of the lower two.
HeadHunter, those pics are awesome ~:)
Would you mind sending them to me ?
That looks great, that's the proper hue and crosses. I like that flag.
I was reading your discription of the period scots flag but I can't really picture it.
You know your stuff, so If you post up some links and/or images of other flags for factions that are definitly goiing to be in the game I can get them done and over with.
If they arn't the exact type you can explain the rest and i'll try to get it close enough.
I have actually been doing some rethinking, concidering the flag of the high kings (Ireland will still be "brutii coloured" on the map).
http://www.hostkingdom.net/irelarms.gif
Another option is the flag newly made by Headhunter
The last one is the flag of Leinster (green with a golden harp).
Everyone make your vote for one of these three, I will post up a poll on TotalRome and put up the link here: http://forums.totalrome.com/vb/showthread.php?t=572
Nice character pics, thank you. Would be neat if you showed us the others as well ~:)Quote:
I resized these graphics that i did a couple of years ago for civ3. I thought they could be used to add a bit of unique flavour to the mod.
If you like them theres another 10 more.
This should not mean colours on everyone however...Quote:
The Senate > The Papacy
The Scipii > Western Franks
The Brutii > Eastern Franks
The Julii > The Kingdom of Asturias
The Greek Cities > The Kingdom of Italy
Macedon > The Byzantine Empire
The Seleucid Empire > The Bulgar Kaghnate
The Numidian > Al Andalus Khaliphate
The Carthaginian > Kievan Rus'
The Parthian > The Magyar
The Scythian > The Pole
The Egyptian > Ungrian people (don't remember their name)
The German > The Dane
The Gauls > Normandy
The Britons > Sweden
The Dace > Norway
Armenia > The Scot
Pontus > The Irish
The Iberian > Mercia
The Thracian > York
The Slaves > The Rebels
Norway: German Red
Denmark: Dacian Brown
Sweden: Egyptian Yellow
German Kingdom: Macedon Black
Frankish Kingdom: Scipii Blue
Scotland: Dark Blue
Dublin-York: Briton Blue
Karelia: Thracian Blue
Ireland: Brutii Green
Italy: Gallic Green
Normandy: Scythian Orange
Wessex: Julii Red
Cordoba: Iberian Colour(name?)
Gardariki: Carthaginian White
Papacy: Light Yellow
Byzantine Empire: Senate Purple
Magyars: Greek Colour(name?)
Poland: Parthian Purple
Bulgar Kingdom: Dark Brown
Yeap, they may have to go, even though Britain will be the smallest piece of land with such an high amount of provinces.Quote:
As you can see, there are 21 factions, slaves included, so we have to cut out another faction. I thought about the welsh, but any faction from britain could do it, since there are many people on a not so big island..
I was thinking to add Italy, Asturia and the German Kingdom. Cutting out the western Franks, leaving things open for warfare between them and the other remains of the Carolingian empire. They could be given some extra strength in return.Quote:
We could also set the Kingdom of Italy as the third roman faction, so it doesn't attack the pope after a few turns
However if we do get the ability to make more than the 20 factions I suggest splitting Italy in three parts:
Kingdom of Italy, Venetia and Benevento. These could just get the exact same units...
I can ask Trajan for the ones he made and post it up. I got some myself, but I'll wait till I get his as well, then we get them all at once.Quote:
I was reading your discription of the period scots flag but I can't really picture it.
You know your stuff, so If you post up some links and/or images of other flags for factions that are definitly goiing to be in the game I can get them done and over with.
If they arn't the exact type you can explain the rest and i'll try to get it close enough.
I was having trouble finding a proper flag for the Scots, online at least. But then, I found one almost identical to the period proper one. It's the modern Scottish government flag. http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/icons/rampflag.gif This flag is almost identical. In 900, the Scot's used what was essentially this flag, but with no red border, and a crossed spear and sword beneath the lion. A similar flag, but with a solid red border, was used as the banner of the Moarmor, the Scottish king's personal guards and elite soldiers.
I've been growing closer to wanting the 'holy mark' style of flag for Ireland. The blue background with gold harp is close, and not truly improper (it was used about the same time as the holy mark, varying kings used each one on and off).
I don't know if these are of any use. I think that each head in the game comes as a set, progressing to old age, were as this is all i have. I could try to make them look older with photoshop but it would be too much effort for crap results compared to the heads already in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Yngvar
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...0/allheads.jpg
Heres one that could be used a druid retinue pic maybe.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...000/head13.jpg
Ranika, just to clear it up before i start. Should the scots flag just be the lion with a sword and spear below, nothing else, and the banner the same but with a soild red border?
It should be the same, with sword and spear, but no red border. I suggested the red border earlier, by mistake. That's not the king's mark in 900, it's the mark of his bodyguards. So, it would be a rampant lion, on a plain yellow field, with sword and spear beneath it, and no border.
I assume the Light Green on the map is Karelia? If so, there were a few things I would change:
1) Take away the most eastern province. There was very little real contact besides trade and hunting trips over such long distances.
2) Give Savo and Western Karelia to Karelia.
So the map would look like this:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ri/karjala.bmp
Scots flag/banner. I'm not that happy with it, but if you think it looks ok it'll do. Its the best i could do with the sword and spear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
If it isn't up to scratch I can do another one without them or someone else can have a go at doing the sword and spear.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...scotbanner.jpg
That looks alright to me, spear and sword could maybe use a bit work, but they look alright, that'd look fine in game to me.
An older looking verson, the sword and spear don't look as out of place in this one.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...cotbanner2.jpg
That looks much better, go with that one.
Ranika, do you have any info the wessex flag of the time?
I'd look myself, but your more knowledgeable about details of that time than me.
'Dublin-york': Would it not be better to give Leinster in Ireland to Norway to drag them into war with Ireland and call the northern anglo-saxon kingdom Mercia?
If so, info on Mercian flag of the time. If not something to represent Dublin-york.
..or is york already under viking rule?
Mercia was about to disappear by 900 though, it would be absorbed into Wessex in 919, when the queen died, and her brother, King Edward, inherited the land.
York, I believe, was already under viking rule, and Leinster wasn't actually controlled by the vikings, and wasn't even sympathetic to them yet. The northern counties would pledge themselves to the king of Dublin in 950. Ulster and Leinster as indepedent territories should be the flashpoint for the viking-Irish conflict, fighting over dominance of the island. Historically, the vikings ended up controlling Leinster by proxy, but Ulster was a rather unwilling vassal of Munster-Connacht, which absorbed Ulster by demand that the king of Ulaid surrender his crown. The subsequent war was fought over economic and social factors (not a small one, of which was religion). The war actually started in the early 900s, but didn't really get rolling in earnest for a few decades.
And I have a period flag of Wessex, trying to find it. The flag of Mercia was changed twice though between 900-919 (when it was absorbed). The last flag was essentially a blue and white version of the flag of Wessex, though want to make sure I don't mistake the design.
Edit;
In 905, the flag of Wessex was a black sword on a red field, with a black clenched fist below it, and a border of diagonal black lines. The only flag of Mercia I know the design of was the same, but blue and white instead of black and red, respectively.
I was just thinking for gameplay issues, but realised i was probably talking through my arse as soon as i hit the send button. :book: :huh2:
I think sometimes you have give yourself a bit of artisic licence though and sacrifice some details in history to get the AI and game rolling in the right direction.
Dublin and the Irish will be pressed right against one another though, either way it goes. The AI will go for the nearest rebel provinces, then fight what is right next to it. So, the Irish and Dublin-York should go to war pretty much immediately after Ulster and Leinster are claimed which is about when the true bulk of the war occured.
If there were space, including Mide as a province would be nice, they fought the vikings indepedently for some time, and what remained of Meath pledged to the Irish king, but it was generally heavily assailed by vikings (and would be a first rebel province for Dublin to take, since it'd be so close to Dublin).
However, I'd only ask for Mide if there is still some room (not all the possible provinces used).
I think we still have some room for the provinces right now ~:)
I couldn'd find anything on the net so I'll need more info on the flag. I threw this together as a reference for you to help explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...Flagsmall2.jpg
What i need to know is how thick is the border, how thick and how many lines within the border.
The shade of red.
The position of the sword, vertical or horizontal.
If the mercian flag is the right flag to use for Dublin-york, the shade of blue.
If you can find any links that have a similar pattern/colour shades, even better. It'll give me a better idea of what to do and save time.
What I trying to say, I could be wrong, was that the york Kingdom was a predominately Danish-viking kingdom, were as the domaniant viking presence in Ireland was mostly Norway-Viking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
So giving leinster to Norway would hopefully make them cross the sea when war breaks out. In my experience the AI in RTW never seems to invade islands.
Viking-York could then be allied with the Danes to keep them focused on Britian.
Just an idea.
Dublin-York already has a flag, I believe, already done. And they'd not use the Mercian flag anyway.
The lines in the border are about half as thick, but the red and black are evenly sized. The border is a small bit thinner (about 3/4 of that). The sword is vertical. The flag is huge though, so I really can't take the time to count the lines, I simply don't have the patience. The red is only a bit darker than that.
Nice pictures Headhunter, I like them ~:)
It was not until 919 that York came under Dublin rule. But still there is no point in having them both. And the idea of Norway attacking Ireland sounds strange to me as this only occured in 1098-1103 on Magnus Barefoot's campaigns.Quote:
What I trying to say, I could be wrong, was that the york Kingdom was a predominately Danish-viking kingdom, were as the domaniant viking presence in Ireland was mostly Norway-Viking.
So giving leinster to Norway would hopefully make them cross the sea when war breaks out. In my experience the AI in RTW never seems to invade islands.
Viking-York could then be allied with the Danes to keep them focused on Britian.
York was about to become ruled by Norwegians anyway. In 919 Dublin seized control and for the 6 last years of the Kingdom of York's lifetime it would be ruled by Eirik Bloodaxe, son of Harald Hårfagri.
What about just having the classic blue/white, oh well we can have a vote on that one as well ~;)Quote:
Scots flag/banner. I'm not that happy with it, but if you think it looks ok it'll do. Its the best i could do with the sword and spear.
Nay bother, I'll keep the history to those who know better. ~:)
I did the scots flag on Ranika's advice. I don't know if the St Andrew's cross was the predomant flag within the time frame. The lion is an older flag though, but St Andrew's cross more familar.
Depends on how historically acurate you want it, but i don't really know. I'll leave it up for arguement.
St. Andrew's Cross is more recognizable, but before 1000 (and even for quite some time after 1000, it wasn't used in any large amount), wasn't put on any banners, it was a mark on clothing, pendants, brooches, and a mark used by the bishops in Scotland. The rampant lion is older, and would remove another blue flag.
However, a lot of people won't recognize the rampant lion, but they WILL recognize St. Andrew's Cross. So it's a familiarity versus correctness argument. The kings of Alba in 900 likely used the rampant lion, and definitely didn't use St. Andrew's Cross, but St. Andrew's Cross will drum home the point that the faction is indeed Scotland. We could always come to some bizarre compromise with blue and white rampant lion flag or something, but that might just look odd. However, the inverse, a yellow and red flag would be a flag used in Northumbria or Mann, depending on which part of the flag was red/yellow
I say go with being historically correct, since a lot of the people who play the game have played similar games and have an interest in history, or at least a growing curiosity through playing them.
Those that know will respect your attention to detail, those that don't will seek to know and appreciate the detail when they learn.
Thats how I would view it anyway.
..and the rampant lion isn't that unfamiliar with scotch identity.
People will recodnise it, they just won't make the conection with the modern national flag.
This is the best i can do from that discription. If its way off let me know what needs to be changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...000/wessex.jpg
That's pretty much it, a sufficient facsimile at least, and it looks good, so that'll do the trick for that. Maybe darken the red a little, but, maybe not, that looks close enough, and the flag I have may have some problems with the color, like the black bleeding into the red or something over the years.
Darker red, probably not acurate but i think it looks better than the other one.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...00/wessex2.jpg
I can lighten it if its too dark, it only takes a minute to change the background colour.
It looks better, but yeah, lighten it a bit, somewhere in between the two, but leaning towards that darker one, that looks a lot better, more realistic.
That looks perfect, not too dark or light. Very good work.
Yes, nice work indeed. When was the lion introduced to England? That was not until the Norman invasion?
Yeah, i think your right.
Some info on the flags.
The rampant lion:
http://members.aol.com/skyelander/thelion.html
http://flagspot.net/flags/gb-sc-rb.html#des
St Andrews cross: http://flagspot.net/flags/gb-scotl.html
Both were around at the same time, but the rampant lion was used as the miltary flag. St.Andrews cross as a religious emblem.
No idea what flags they used before that, can't find any pics or info on it.
An alternative option to the earlier 'Peoples republic of wessex' flag.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...00/wessex4.jpg
Ha, yeah, the fist looked a bit odd, but I'm generally willing to settle if it's what we have to work with. But that looks better, closer to the actual one (which is dreadfully difficult to describe).
..and fatter swords.
Thats it finished now. ~:)
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...00/wessex5.jpg
Can you post this over in the other forum? That seems like a good final flag for Wessex, and we really should start moving all the info from this thread over there.
Note that all flags must be .tga.dds files.
If you're working on flags, banners and so on, please make them in this format, or it will not work.
Hehe, well there is one problem with this new one. Isn't the fingers a little far spread? Maybe they should be a little tighter like in a "hail to the king".Quote:
An alternative option to the earlier 'Peoples republic of wessex' flag.
I fixed the fist, it looks better.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Yngvar
Photoshop can save as a Targa file (.tga), but there'd no (.dds) anywere that i can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meneldil
Can you explain to me what .dds is and what sort of file type and I'll post all the banners in the other forum.
Should I change the faction select buttons too, or just leave those to later?
I was wondering because I'd have to add an emboss effect and some highlight to give the immpression that is sticking out a little and if different people are doing different ones in thier own way they will look pretty crap when they're all put together in the game, if you know what i mean.
Try this link Headhunter: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=37203
The image won't display now ~:confused:Quote:
I fixed the fist, it looks better.
I deleted the other ones from photobucket and haven't posted up the new one.
Sorry about that.
I'll post the new one in its right format on the other site.
I downloaded and installed the DDS Photoshop Plug-in and thumbnail viewer, closed and restarted photoshop,...no new .dds save option available. ~:confused:
I don't know whats wrong, but I can post the Jpeg's and someelse can convert them if thats not too much hassle.
Is there are any other graphics that need to be done, which can be done in photoshop, let me know.
A list would to work off would be better, like doing this sort of stuff.
I'll do the splash screens if you like, but I thought maybe to keep those until later on if there are other things to do.
..and if you can make sense out of that first sentence your a better man than me. ~:dizzy:
You might want to have a look at the symbols in the \Data\menu\symbols folders
I was looking at those, but i think they should be done by one person when all the banners are complete to get roll over colours etc matching and so they all conform to one another.
Hey guys, I think both you and Trajan have mistaken the Wessex banner. Here is the real one, posted it at totalrome as well: https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ssexBanner.jpg
Tidy.
Whatever you think yourself, I think mine looks a bit too hardcore. That looks more royal.
Yours looked okey but not royal as you said. I think we shall use something like this for Wessex.
Looks good to me. I'm not actually sure what the banner I have is for, just that it's from Wessex, from around 905, and it has something to do with the royal heraldry, but that could make it, potentially, a lot of things.
Really deep and great mod i must say, but wheres everybody?
Why has everyone stopped posting here, now the Blue lotus thread have more posts than this mod, lol, no posts in 3 days a boo boo!
The official forum is here
K, thanks for the note, was beginning to get a little scared that this mod might had been shut down... hehe. :uhoh:
I can't post at the other furum yet.
Just some suggestions about Bulgarian Kingdom.
The names of the 5 provinces Bulgaria will start with:
top right - Northern Dobrudja, or the Bulgarians used to call it "the Ongul" capital Preslavets
below it - Southern Dobrudja, capital Pliska
top - Moesia, capital Preslav
bottom right - Kutmichevitsa (Northen Macedonia) - Ohrid
next to it - Central Thrace - Phillipopolis
Also if I may add a unit - Horse Archers - a traditional very fast horse archer that did not usually fight melee. The Boyars were a heavy horse archer that was slower but could fight well in melee.
How many names do you need? I'll give you some if you guys need more let me know.
Aron
Asparukh
Boril
Boris
Chernorizets the Brave
David
Gavrail
Gavrail Radomir
Ivan Vladislav
Iosif
Kardam
Kiril
Kliment
Konstantin
Krum
Kubrat
Malamir
Metodiy
Moisey
Naum
Nikola
Omurtag
Peter
Presian
Radomir
Samuil
Simeon
Stratsimir
Telerig
Tervel
Toktu
Vladimir
Vladislav
And some titles:
khan
khagan
boil
ichiriguboil
bolyar
knyaz
tsar
Let me know if you need anything else.
If you guys need help in a site and forums I can help out.
I have to say, being somewhat of an ammature historian I am most impressed with the huge level of historic detail put into this mod, great job all and I eagerly await its arival on the gaming scene!
I am Norwegian so i will be looking forward to this mod
ps: make the norwegians strong OR ELSE lol
about the word dýrlegr,the modern equilent is dýrlegur,used in icelandic. THe word means indeed Glorius but it is also been used has saintly in the last thousand years.
if a norwegian read that he would think it meant veteranerian
Dyrelege is the norwegian word for animal doctor bascily a VET
they would probably think u missed spelled it lol
i am norwegian but u said it was glorios in icelandic....
If you are going to put swedish and norwegians as same faction you can do
the same to all finnish tribes too. That means lot more green instead of
white in finland and more realistic mod.
And novgorod has too much of south Karelia. There are ingrians below karelians and they are finns too.
Sæll lagsmaðr.Quote:
Originally Posted by stebius
Are you sure you do not mean dýrðligr or dýrligr? E.t.v. styðzt þú við nútíma-íslenzkun á fornsögunum?
Dang it, I wish this mod was finished. Finally, a mod where there is someone who knows somethin' about Irish Military too ~:) Though, I'm not sure about having al those armoured uhits. Irish didnt have much armour, though it was the best in Europe. And Bonnagth was a term that means "to billet" not a actual soldier. Billeting was a old irish thing about, if someone protects your life, the least you can give them is your home. A closer term for a spear-armed soldier would be Gaechadh of literakky "spear warrior" And, one suggestion for a province. Corco Modhruadh, in northern Munster on the border of Connacht. They were like the Orkneys of Ireland, they were renowned fighters who were kind of like mercenaries. They fought mainly for Brian Boru, before his sons pissed them off by taking some cattle. They were also great sailors. So, a province specfic unit/mercenary, Corco Modhruadh Sea Raider. Medium morale, high charge and should charge without orders. They were famed for their ability to get their king killed and still fight like rabid dogs, usually acting as a reaguard for retreats. Kind of like Jomsvikings for the Irish but without the armour and super-uberness.
Is this mod finito? Are there any modelers yet? God, I hate suspense. :furious3:
Ok, excuse me if I`m wrong on some stuff, haven`t bothered to read everything in this thread.
Is this going to be a mod where the Vikings are the focus?
Speaking from a norwegian standpoint. If you are to make a Viking era mod, it is time to put away the nationalistic image of the "glorious" vikings that the nationalromantic writers of the 1800s established, and the nazis continued.
- The state of Norway should not under any circumstances have any viking soldiers, Vikings were banned from Norway. And several of the Norwegian kings went through great trouble to root out Vikings, Harald Haarfagri(first king), followed vikings to both Denmark and the islands north of Scotland to slaughter as many as he could. His son was also raised at the English court.
Vikings were in short terms stateless warriors.
- If you are going to focus on the vikings, why are you including a map over all of Europe? The Areas the Vikings managed to establish themself for short periods were mainly the British isles, France, and down in East Europe. To include the south Europe and the middle East would be pointless, the conflicts with the vikings would be mere buzzing in northern Europe. And Norway would certainly not be very strong. First of, they did not have an imperialistic foreign policy, Norway was not involved in any wars with any foreign nations, and the population was low.
- Why does the game start in the year of 900? The Viking attacks started at full a 100 years earlier(even though attacks can be traced all the way back to 500), by the year 900, a city like Paris had been burned like 3 times. And by this time the Vikings had looted out most of the gold they could find on all of Ireland, including digging ut most of the graveyards when all the all the churchgold was taken. Where is the logic in starting the game at 900 if the Vikings are the focus? Most of the bloodbaths in England, Ireland and France was over at the year 900, and they had lost control over Ireland.
-Quick notes.. Vikings did not fight with axes.
Trells did not fight either.
1 - I thought vikings were the inhabitants of current nordic states
2 - Because we aren't focusing on the vikings.
3 - Because we want to have normans in the mod
About 1% of them was vikings, and they were thrown out, people in Norway were farmers and fishermen. And lived far from each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meneldil