Cereal killer mafia

y'all really saving rask another day huh

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Originally Posted by Syn

y'all really saving rask another day huh

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For you. Mostly.

vote: Raskolnikov

Can you talk about why we should vote Rask?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Don't bother, it's prolly better I die anyway, for town chances of winning, my sanity, and the thread mood lmao. It's sad to say, but considering the numbers of clears, and considering that I have been up for the chop for 3 days nonstop because, lol my opener, I'd rather die today. Because I am not doing this to me for another week lol. Also will get to shitpost with the friendos in dvc.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Anyway, this is going nowhere lmao. THe few people I TR are just wolf reading me so I am not sure who I can speak to. Feel free to maj me and make my life easier rn. idgs.


May post more about stuff l8r, but I am definatly tired of defending myself because people are just ISOing, lacking context, and just unwilling to put someonelse shoes.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

You just nailed why I am so desesperated about this game. The consensus POE is so narrowed at this point in the game and gotta say it, wrong if it's not exactly sleep/Cape. And I am kindof writing it off because of OGI reasons (three no-shows as wolves? come on). Like this thread feels litterally wolf-driven to me since SOD2.

Of course you all need my flip to realise it.

I hope it will help you.

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If I was a villager with traction d1 and as counterwagon d2 then I would be more alarmed and up in arms than Rask is.
These posts happened only after I made this post:

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Originally Posted by Jan

I am kind of sad that I didn't see rask panic more about yesterday being v/v wagons with little momentum to change.
That would have been my perspective as v in that position. Both of them voted off wagon and the only person who was not involved in the two main wagons is Taffy.

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To me that change in perspective without actually feeling like somebody panicking and more like somebody doing what is expected does not add up.
And that could easily be a language barrier thing because rask and I are both not native (based on tasks country in the profile), but it rubbed me the wrong way tbh.

Fwiw Jan, these posts have nothing to do with yours. Because it doesn't work like this. I don't have to meet your expectations about what is a villager. If you are one, it's your job to find me. But I am more and more convinced you aren't one anyway so moot point I guess.

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Originally Posted by Jan

For you. Mostly.

vote: Raskolnikov

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has prolly been decided a long time ago.


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One thing I wanna say before backreading is that I didn't like Suibian reaction to Visor push. I can certainly relate since I have been sussed since game start and it's really annoying but iirc, it was just the second time (anyone corrects me here if I am wrong) someone dared to say Suibian might not be a villager and she eructed both times. Not sure that's AI, because I don't know her and it could be a lot of things, but felt like mentionning it. (because both time it was noticable).

I am gonna be real

Idk if i have the balls to lunch rask

Bbiab

Might as well

Vote: Jan

(Visor, I am considering your posts about Suibian. It's just so different from what I'd do as a wolf in that case, dunno. like I would hope for a no-show to gym up D2, rather than bus them D1... to me it's just the less probable bus from Tak wagon but I will certainly consider it)

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Originally Posted by ladd

I am gonna be real

Idk if i have the balls to lunch rask

Bbiab

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I am gonna burn a post to say this is sig worthy.

:bow:

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

As a side note:
Last time I remember ladd pushing with generic takes on me he was wolf and I only got saved by Vulgard hero-shotting him.

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@EnderWiggin: How do you feel about Ladd now?

(note to self: check Ladd's reaction to Ender's claim at EOD)

Okay so I am gonna just outline why I have ladd as town cuz they wanted to hear bout that

1. Today I mean it's pretty clear to me that you are solving Rask. You have provided good arguments for and against Rask. I was also getting the vibe that Rask was mad at being sussed for the wrong reasons, like, I introduced the word "potato(e)" to his vocab this game LOL.

2. I believe you are the player who is thinking the most critically about the game out of anyone else and doing so in a way which I doubt is fakeable.

3. Wanted to mention I also liked the Jan post #841. Like the points I could follow were towny to me. Even the whole "I will be the d1 sacrifice" thing is technically a whole town tell, meta or no meta.

4. This defense of me is villagery #755

5. The ego post thing here is towny #463 also this #436 about the NK

6. Push on EnderWiggin just felt villagery to me even though he's very likely PR. Like even before then though I felt the v/v violence energy coming from the post, like town like to sus for arbitrary things like SHROOPing no offense :p.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

has prolly been decided a long time ago.

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Nah. I went into the day thinking sleep is likely the kill today.
I opened up to killing you around the time when I asked the people wolf-reading you on how sure they are.

When Syn made the post I decided to follow because your play today felt fake and when Sui asked about why I decided to sum my feelings up.

*shrug*

I had a shred of paranoia that Rask tinfoiling a world where the wolves were Jan/ladd lacked critical thought

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Originally Posted by Cape90

I was also getting the vibe that Rask was mad at being sussed for the wrong reasons

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Do you think this is alignment indicative?

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Originally Posted by Suibian

So I have a question, does anyone have an actual read on visor that is independent of being given a bp vest that took a hit night one with us having a missing nightkill?

I do think that Ender is town. It makes sense for us to have a healer role of some sort, and it would be cruel to give the healer role to scum because we're likely to just town read that. Slight possibility it's a gambit between Visor and Ender, but that doesn't feel right especially considering their claim came after taffy claimed a doc protection, and I think most scum wouldn't go for this gambit after someone claimed doc. That and it was not really necessary. Also, I'd like to believe that if this was a scum gambit, Visor would have had a better explanation for why Ender was town come day two after pushing him day one. So yeah, town here.

I do also believe Syn's claim and that they're town. Now that we know the joat claim was a lie, my reservations about this are gone. I didn't really have many thoughts about Syn's day one play, but I did like the way they claimed and vigging monty makes sense with their day one suspicions.

Me asking if anyone has a read on visor outside of the claim isn't because I'm necessarily scum reading him, but more that I don't want to overlook something. My experience with visor is limited and I do not know how to differentiate what scum him would post like. I find his posting style as one that I tend to townread, and the only scum experience I can remember is mtgs team mafia, but my team was scum with him in that game, so I didn't really read his posts or I don't really remember anything about it except he's willing to make a big play that will garner him town-cred that he can ride home with. So, if town gave him a bp vest night one, would he no kill and claim to have been shot, and ride that to victory? One option for that being tricky is that he'd have to explain why he stayed alive beyond that, but I guess that could be mitigated by the fact that other roles would take precedence and he could always write it off as scum being concerned that the bp vest wasn't only one-shot and they didn't shoot him again to avoid another no kill.

I did like his post about wanting to keep monty and rask alive for day one. I did like the way he addressed Taffy's suspicion on him with his claim that he was no longer miselimable this game. His posting has been generally fine, but I do question the hard push on wisdom as they really didn't seem like such a lock scum read, but I don't know if he's the type to reconsider his reads in that way and I've definitely pushed suspicion on town for not doing that, so this might be nothing. I also wonder about him just accepting ender as a town bp vest giver when taffy had also claimed doc. If he's scum then he'd just know they were both town and not think anything of it. But he might not be someone who worries so much about claims, and this is nothing.

I'm perfectly fine being told this is something that I don't need to worry about and that he's just town. If I don't have any scum reads I feel good about then I'm overlooking someone, and I just want to make sure it's not here that I, or anyone else, is overlooking.

I still town read Jan and Ladd and feel good about those reads. If either one of those is wrong then lolme good job because I haven't felt suspicious about anything they've posted, and I wouldn't even begin to know how to course correct there.

Gira hasn't posted enough and enough thoughts for me to be confident here, but I am having a hard time accepting that scum him would have ended yesterday in the way that he did. Not being around for end of day either day, and yesterday removing his vote and saying maybe he'll check in to sheep, are just not ways that I think he would behave with a team. Leaving his vote somewhere is almost always a better look for him as scum than to just remove it. I suppose if wisdom/rask were both town and he felt reasonably sure they would be the two wagons and he wasn't needed there would be one reason why, but that's never a guarantee. And if he and rask are partnered, he's putting his partner in jeopardy for no reward when he could either bus or throw a vote on another wagon in hopes of saving him. He's talented enough as scum to make a bullshit reason for a vote if he can't be around for deadline. Now I realize that this is all based on my expectations for the responsibilities he would feel to a scum team, and my knowledge of that is imperfect. But I guess I'd just be surprised if this comes from him as scum.

I almost voted Rask yesterday just because it felt like even if he was town, he was never going to stop being a top scum read and maybe I should listen to the people who say this is textbook scum him, but he just doesn't feel that way. I am a sucker for things like, "I'm not getting eliminated today, you're wrong, you'll owe me an apology after the game, etc." Yes, I know scum can and do post all of these things, but he does feel a bit indignant about it. I'm not sure what to make of his post where he suggested a possible Jan/Ladd pairing. I don't think that anybody has serious suspicions of either of them, so is him raising it town who is going against the grain or scum who is floating a pair to look like they're going against the grain? Either way, he's one of the people who every time I listen to someone and think he could be scum, he posts and it feels town, so I don't know. If it weren't for him being wagoned the past two days, I'd probably just call him town and go about my day.

cape is someone that I haven't paid much attention to and have had mostly in my neutral space. I need to read there and develop an actual read. Though yesterday at eod, he did comment on my wagon partner statement with something like what do you mean partners wtf, and that read kinda townie.

yes, I know this is a lot of words without clear conclusions and no scum reads. This isn't for that purpose but more for me to organize my thoughts on each of the players off the top of my head to try to find where my weak spots are. If you are still reading this far and think I've made a dumb point or are not considering something, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm hoping to have some time tomorrow to do some rereading, but I will at the very least actually read cape and try to have a read there.

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Just knowing Visor usually gets sussed out a lot as town, I think Visor's been pretty villagery this game.

I do townread this sort of outlined thought process on every read, I wish that I was able to outline my reads like this,after I catch up I should look into Gira's EOD it looks like cuz I don't recall anything from it

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Originally Posted by Jan

Do you think this is alignment indicative?

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Dunno Rask well enough to determine that

Hate to hedge but sometimes it is sometimes it isn't

I kinda think Rask voting Jan is sorta villagery as a sidenote

as much as wolves like to be off wagon :p

i ended up not having the time, really sorry. i will have more time tomorow but in all hoesty you should probably just vote me today, game needs to re-eval and i don't think it'll happen until i flip

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Originally Posted by Sleep

i didn't like cape's posting at EOD - it felt posture-y in terms of how he seemed to setting up future votes with what he was saying

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i honestly could see this take though just because i didn't really think it was Wisdom so I was just looking mostly in other places until like my very last post, and then Wisdom towntold and i dont think self pressed so i was like, yeah i aint voting wisdom

oh yeah Sleep wasn't there for EOD, like Sleep just kinda unvoted

I think it's probably NAI

Might be scummy since PRs kinda outed at that point so like, why just abstain ur vote???

Frankly Cape, I am sure you can be more than just a disrespectfull cunt. So maybe it's time to remember it and get back within the limits friendo. Whatever your alignment is.

Also your meta about Visor is off. He isn't cryptic or anything as a villager. He is very findable smh. (insert polarised meme here)

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Originally Posted by Sleep

i ended up not having the time, really sorry. i will have more time tomorow but in all hoesty you should probably just vote me today, game needs to re-eval and i don't think it'll happen until i flip

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do you still think this game is easy for town?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Frankly Cape, I am sure you can be more than just a disrespectfull cunt. So maybe it's time to remember it and get back within the limits friendo. Whatever your alignment is.

Also your meta about Visor is off. He isn't cryptic or anything as a villager. He is very findable smh. (insert polarised meme here)

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I do believe the word cunt is not acceptable in any country outside of Australia.

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Originally Posted by Sleep

- not sure visor's reasoning in #400 is great, i have seen scum go all in on trying to save a partner day 1 in the hope the risky play works, and if he hadn't voted monty there his progression would have been suspect. this is especially true if the other partner is potentially not around to do much - losing a teammate there might put him in the hole irrevocably. as it is it feels like the POE is pretty narrow to me and i have less reason to claer ender than other people

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In terms of arguments against Visor, there is this Suibian

#400

Even though it's like, Ender likely town, I do still agree though with the sentiment presented in Sleep's post over Visor's point

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Originally Posted by Cape90

In terms of arguments against Visor, there is this Suibian

#400

Even though it's like, Ender likely town, I do still agree though with the sentiment presented in Sleep's post over Visor's point

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Yeah, I would agree with this except with Ender giving Visor the bp vest, he had to change the read he had from the day before and that's difficult to do. It's like when someone has a cop clear on someone they previously suspected and have to explain their turn around; it's often sloppy.

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Very sure Syn is town #164

#226

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Why was Syn a villager to you back then?

(what in these posts made you feel that way?)

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Originally Posted by Jan

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If I was a villager with traction d1 and as counterwagon d2 then I would be more alarmed and up in arms than Rask is.
These posts happened only after I made this post:



To me that change in perspective without actually feeling like somebody panicking and more like somebody doing what is expected does not add up.
And that could easily be a language barrier thing because rask and I are both not native (based on tasks country in the profile), but it rubbed me the wrong way tbh.

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I don't follow on why he should have more panicking about there being v/v wagons. Did he have a strong town read on wisdom? I've scrolled to see, but I don't see it and he said at end of day to yeet within wisdom, cape and sleep, which suggests that he thought that wisdom could be scum? (I wish iso's here gave you the whole post because it's hard to scan quickly for that.)

The posts about being willing to go today to help the game do feel a little off in that his response to me saying that I was considering voting him for pragmatic reasons felt like a bit annoyance. In retrospect, I wish I did because I think wisdom would have been better able to town themselves and not be a big source of suspicion today than rask. I suppose it could just be suspicion fatigue and a change of heart, but it felt a bit off with the reaction from yesterday.

I don't quite understand why he thinks the thread feels wolf-driven since sod2. His suspicions are mostly cape/sleep, but the loudest pusher of reads is visor, who he town reads. I get that he's now floating you/ladd, but it doesn't feel like you guys are driving the game, at least in the way that I think of driving the game, so that feels a bit off.

I do wish that Syn would explain the read!

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Frankly Cape, I am sure you can be more than just a disrespectfull cunt. So maybe it's time to remember it and get back within the limits friendo. Whatever your alignment is.

Also your meta about Visor is off. He isn't cryptic or anything as a villager. He is very findable smh. (insert polarised meme here)

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I am, but nobody likes finding me :p

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Wanted to look back at the slots I feel like I have barely looked at.

So Suibian... even though they did kinda vote on El Barto... anyways



This is either really towny or really wolfy and IDK which XD



Suibian did say this... kinda generic, but also explains why they wouldn't go Monty there



Another thing that I also read as either really towny or really wolfy.





I don't really like this given the Monty flip, like they both very much bother me and Sleep looks good IMO bringing attention to this.



#203
I get pocket-y vibes here...



#166

#167

These posts are fine, I could see how one could townread the second thing, less so the first thing. Also all the things Suibian pointed out are from 167 and not 166 at all, just wanted to point that fact out.

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Yeah let's pretend the obvious town part never happened, though I see where I got that read. I kinda gutread their ISO as wolfy though just looking at it and seeing also how post length also kinda took a back seat (this was mentioning that they didn't like posting like that) (but they did anyways which is ~:confused:)

Don't like their Monty treatment really, if there is a busser, I think it's here more so then Visor

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What's your current read on Suibian? NGL the bold part made me giggle.

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Originally Posted by Cape90

In terms of arguments against Visor, there is this Suibian

#400

Even though it's like, Ender likely town, I do still agree though with the sentiment presented in Sleep's post over Visor's point

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Also it is definatly striking me that you have been steadily calling my posts out, just to borrow some arguments later on. Well actually I didn't articulate it iirc but that was still clear enough, so like, that's wolfy Cape. (you can change your mind ofc, but that's still wolf agenda :p)

PS: note this read is obsolete and, as Suibian posted, the turnaround awkwardness from Visor was to be expected considering N1 events

vote:sleep

gonna make a placeholder since it worked well last time :curtain:

i dont think rask/cape are w/w so either sleep is a wolf or something went terribly wrong

personally i dont think rask is a wolf anymore (and if they are, they can only be with sleep or suibian) but if syn/visor still think so they know rask better than me so go with god. I doubt I'll be voting them