Cereal killer mafia

[Sleep]

i'm not sure why people are writing cape off tbh his vote on me is like textbook scum opportunism and there's nothing in the way of real thought behind it

vote: cape

[Cape90]

Just because I can find something towny about you, doesn't mean you still aren't sus to me.

Reminder that I was also defending the Wisdom slot

[Cape90]

i'm not sure why people are writing cape off tbh his vote on me is like textbook scum opportunism and there's nothing in the way of real thought behind it

vote: cape

This is exactly a textbook wolf response to my shrug push on you

[Cape90]

I am just trying to make sense of the claims rn. Who lied, etc... How is Visor alive if he the vest wasn't active?

I dunno what is hard to understand about

EW gave vest to Visor
Visor was the NK
Visor got protected by the vest
Something something order of operations but for PRs in a mafia game. Like vest>NK

[Cape90]

i really dont think rask is posting like a wolf with TMI today

assuming visor was indeed the n1 nk, its hard for a wolf to say the stuff rask is saying so openly lol

Ladd come on

If we are to believe Syn, which I do, then Visor has to be the NK logically given Taffy is fake and 2 PR is believeable, not 3 not 1

[Cape90]

Well I know I am going to conf-biais myself prolly but this is Cape's first sentence toDay. Sounds like someone really eagger to post he wasn't fooled by Taffy smh.


Think Ladd is town, Visor is too, Syn is too prolly (fwiw Syn, I am not the guy who kills Visor N1 every game lol. I can link a game offsite where I milked him tilll he was the last MLs). Gotta work out the rest. l8r

I kinda was. Correct.

I like being right on things

[Cape90]

I mean cape also said yesterday at eod that he wasnt sure about taffy being real so it adds up. I dont really think thats wolfy from cape

A BP vest giver

And a 1 shot vig

Esp the later one is covered by JOAT

Anyways this is a redundant convo

[Cape90]

this may have been spot on but we lunched the villager from the bottom 3 lol

classic



this lacks some critical thinking on cape alignment imo

like the cape sentence feels like frustration for being caught for the wrong easons rather than evaluating if cape is a villager or a wolf pushing them




rask does still have some nice posts in their iso still tho, mostly tonally; but content wise not sue I buy the stuff they are saying so far anymore



will keep reading later

I kinda read it as Cape is pushing me for bad reasons therefore he is wolf

I dunno if I would jump to him not critically evaluating me

Otherwise I would have called him out on it

[Cape90]

@Cape whats your read on rask now?

why do you have me as a villager?

14

I think Rask is still wolfy

Felt like Sleep was a better pressure vote just because paranoia on the slot

I did wanna eventually elaborate on my read on you/Jan both of you socially /solve wise stick out to me as particularly towny

At bowling alley rn so probably like tomorrow I will

[Cape90]

see Ladd.

I mean how is this a real thought from Visor. shrug

Are u believe the mech or not?

[Cape90]

Just to add up on this Ladd, how do you feel about Wisdom voting Sleep alone when about to die? Because like it's just another proof your expectations are just that, expectations, and not a real reason to actually wolf read someone. And you know it.

this lacks some critical thinking on my alignment imo

Yeah that too it was a very circular argument to make to u

[Cape90]

Anyway, reread D1. Still think Syn is town. Subian lock clear imo. Cape/Kage no posts. Sleep looks OK with good tone and own thoughts but it's not like he had any influence on the flip or willingness to push somewhere outside Syn so like possible

who is left, Visor cleared, Ender cleared.

Jan/Ladd are 'could be's. Nothing totally damning but both look like great players (I now for Ladd, Jan sounds like one) so I am not sure what is out of their range at this point. Will continue in a few.

Another thing about Jan was when I last played with Jan as wolf, he as way more underwhelming then he is here. But that was a mash so lol

[Cape90]

ya thats something I have been considering too

how confident are you on tammy from 1 to 10? they actually look really good so I am tempted to lock them in tbh and just say kill sleep/cape/rask and win

Sleep played plenty day 1 but then just kinda fell off a cliff and part of me thinks it has to do with El Barto going down

But that's just a theory

[Cape90]

Waitasec

Why are you voting him and not me? Iirc I’m the one you’ve had floating suspicion here and there on while thinking his posts look obvtown. If that’s ammo for us being partners, why not vote the one you’ve expressed more doubts on?

Towards EOD I saw u post something really towny which made me think I were maybe just town

Or maybe it was SOD today

I think SOD actually but since I bowling I lazy

[Suibian]

So I have a question, does anyone have an actual read on visor that is independent of being given a bp vest that took a hit night one with us having a missing nightkill?

I do think that Ender is town. It makes sense for us to have a healer role of some sort, and it would be cruel to give the healer role to scum because we're likely to just town read that. Slight possibility it's a gambit between Visor and Ender, but that doesn't feel right especially considering their claim came after taffy claimed a doc protection, and I think most scum wouldn't go for this gambit after someone claimed doc. That and it was not really necessary. Also, I'd like to believe that if this was a scum gambit, Visor would have had a better explanation for why Ender was town come day two after pushing him day one. So yeah, town here.

I do also believe Syn's claim and that they're town. Now that we know the joat claim was a lie, my reservations about this are gone. I didn't really have many thoughts about Syn's day one play, but I did like the way they claimed and vigging monty makes sense with their day one suspicions.

Me asking if anyone has a read on visor outside of the claim isn't because I'm necessarily scum reading him, but more that I don't want to overlook something. My experience with visor is limited and I do not know how to differentiate what scum him would post like. I find his posting style as one that I tend to townread, and the only scum experience I can remember is mtgs team mafia, but my team was scum with him in that game, so I didn't really read his posts or I don't really remember anything about it except he's willing to make a big play that will garner him town-cred that he can ride home with. So, if town gave him a bp vest night one, would he no kill and claim to have been shot, and ride that to victory? One option for that being tricky is that he'd have to explain why he stayed alive beyond that, but I guess that could be mitigated by the fact that other roles would take precedence and he could always write it off as scum being concerned that the bp vest wasn't only one-shot and they didn't shoot him again to avoid another no kill.

I did like his post about wanting to keep monty and rask alive for day one. I did like the way he addressed Taffy's suspicion on him with his claim that he was no longer miselimable this game. His posting has been generally fine, but I do question the hard push on wisdom as they really didn't seem like such a lock scum read, but I don't know if he's the type to reconsider his reads in that way and I've definitely pushed suspicion on town for not doing that, so this might be nothing. I also wonder about him just accepting ender as a town bp vest giver when taffy had also claimed doc. If he's scum then he'd just know they were both town and not think anything of it. But he might not be someone who worries so much about claims, and this is nothing.

I'm perfectly fine being told this is something that I don't need to worry about and that he's just town. If I don't have any scum reads I feel good about then I'm overlooking someone, and I just want to make sure it's not here that I, or anyone else, is overlooking.

I still town read Jan and Ladd and feel good about those reads. If either one of those is wrong then lolme good job because I haven't felt suspicious about anything they've posted, and I wouldn't even begin to know how to course correct there.

Gira hasn't posted enough and enough thoughts for me to be confident here, but I am having a hard time accepting that scum him would have ended yesterday in the way that he did. Not being around for end of day either day, and yesterday removing his vote and saying maybe he'll check in to sheep, are just not ways that I think he would behave with a team. Leaving his vote somewhere is almost always a better look for him as scum than to just remove it. I suppose if wisdom/rask were both town and he felt reasonably sure they would be the two wagons and he wasn't needed there would be one reason why, but that's never a guarantee. And if he and rask are partnered, he's putting his partner in jeopardy for no reward when he could either bus or throw a vote on another wagon in hopes of saving him. He's talented enough as scum to make a bullshit reason for a vote if he can't be around for deadline. Now I realize that this is all based on my expectations for the responsibilities he would feel to a scum team, and my knowledge of that is imperfect. But I guess I'd just be surprised if this comes from him as scum.

I almost voted Rask yesterday just because it felt like even if he was town, he was never going to stop being a top scum read and maybe I should listen to the people who say this is textbook scum him, but he just doesn't feel that way. I am a sucker for things like, "I'm not getting eliminated today, you're wrong, you'll owe me an apology after the game, etc." Yes, I know scum can and do post all of these things, but he does feel a bit indignant about it. I'm not sure what to make of his post where he suggested a possible Jan/Ladd pairing. I don't think that anybody has serious suspicions of either of them, so is him raising it town who is going against the grain or scum who is floating a pair to look like they're going against the grain? Either way, he's one of the people who every time I listen to someone and think he could be scum, he posts and it feels town, so I don't know. If it weren't for him being wagoned the past two days, I'd probably just call him town and go about my day.

cape is someone that I haven't paid much attention to and have had mostly in my neutral space. I need to read there and develop an actual read. Though yesterday at eod, he did comment on my wagon partner statement with something like what do you mean partners wtf, and that read kinda townie.

yes, I know this is a lot of words without clear conclusions and no scum reads. This isn't for that purpose but more for me to organize my thoughts on each of the players off the top of my head to try to find where my weak spots are. If you are still reading this far and think I've made a dumb point or are not considering something, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm hoping to have some time tomorrow to do some rereading, but I will at the very least actually read cape and try to have a read there.

[Gemma]

Votal 3.3

Sleep (3) - Cape (#736), Ender (#777), Jan (#796)
Rask (2) - Syn (#721), Visor (#758)
Cape (1) - Sleep (#811)

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[Jan]

Another thing about Jan was when I last played with Jan as wolf, he as way more underwhelming then he is here. But that was a mash so lol

Mashes are games to be silly with friends and kill them.

Ask yogsloth for a guide to mashing beyond that.

I am still underwhelming here tbh but I should be a fairly easy read for anybody that tries.

[Jan]

If you are still reading this far

The joke's on you when I realized each paragraph is for a player I skipped to my name and then to the conclusion!

So much time saved ...

Regarding visor there are ~5 people in this game that are more used to his limitations. I trust myself more in reading tea leaves.

if he is alive in f3 I might look at him again, and question why.

[ladd]

So I have a question, does anyone have an actual read on visor that is independent of being given a bp vest that took a hit night one with us having a missing nightkill?

I do think that Ender is town. It makes sense for us to have a healer role of some sort, and it would be cruel to give the healer role to scum because we're likely to just town read that. Slight possibility it's a gambit between Visor and Ender, but that doesn't feel right especially considering their claim came after taffy claimed a doc protection, and I think most scum wouldn't go for this gambit after someone claimed doc. That and it was not really necessary. Also, I'd like to believe that if this was a scum gambit, Visor would have had a better explanation for why Ender was town come day two after pushing him day one. So yeah, town here.

I do also believe Syn's claim and that they're town. Now that we know the joat claim was a lie, my reservations about this are gone. I didn't really have many thoughts about Syn's day one play, but I did like the way they claimed and vigging monty makes sense with their day one suspicions.

Me asking if anyone has a read on visor outside of the claim isn't because I'm necessarily scum reading him, but more that I don't want to overlook something. My experience with visor is limited and I do not know how to differentiate what scum him would post like. I find his posting style as one that I tend to townread, and the only scum experience I can remember is mtgs team mafia, but my team was scum with him in that game, so I didn't really read his posts or I don't really remember anything about it except he's willing to make a big play that will garner him town-cred that he can ride home with. So, if town gave him a bp vest night one, would he no kill and claim to have been shot, and ride that to victory? One option for that being tricky is that he'd have to explain why he stayed alive beyond that, but I guess that could be mitigated by the fact that other roles would take precedence and he could always write it off as scum being concerned that the bp vest wasn't only one-shot and they didn't shoot him again to avoid another no kill.

I did like his post about wanting to keep monty and rask alive for day one. I did like the way he addressed Taffy's suspicion on him with his claim that he was no longer miselimable this game. His posting has been generally fine, but I do question the hard push on wisdom as they really didn't seem like such a lock scum read, but I don't know if he's the type to reconsider his reads in that way and I've definitely pushed suspicion on town for not doing that, so this might be nothing. I also wonder about him just accepting ender as a town bp vest giver when taffy had also claimed doc. If he's scum then he'd just know they were both town and not think anything of it. But he might not be someone who worries so much about claims, and this is nothing.

I'm perfectly fine being told this is something that I don't need to worry about and that he's just town. If I don't have any scum reads I feel good about then I'm overlooking someone, and I just want to make sure it's not here that I, or anyone else, is overlooking.

I still town read Jan and Ladd and feel good about those reads. If either one of those is wrong then lolme good job because I haven't felt suspicious about anything they've posted, and I wouldn't even begin to know how to course correct there.

Gira hasn't posted enough and enough thoughts for me to be confident here, but I am having a hard time accepting that scum him would have ended yesterday in the way that he did. Not being around for end of day either day, and yesterday removing his vote and saying maybe he'll check in to sheep, are just not ways that I think he would behave with a team. Leaving his vote somewhere is almost always a better look for him as scum than to just remove it. I suppose if wisdom/rask were both town and he felt reasonably sure they would be the two wagons and he wasn't needed there would be one reason why, but that's never a guarantee. And if he and rask are partnered, he's putting his partner in jeopardy for no reward when he could either bus or throw a vote on another wagon in hopes of saving him. He's talented enough as scum to make a bullshit reason for a vote if he can't be around for deadline. Now I realize that this is all based on my expectations for the responsibilities he would feel to a scum team, and my knowledge of that is imperfect. But I guess I'd just be surprised if this comes from him as scum.

I almost voted Rask yesterday just because it felt like even if he was town, he was never going to stop being a top scum read and maybe I should listen to the people who say this is textbook scum him, but he just doesn't feel that way. I am a sucker for things like, "I'm not getting eliminated today, you're wrong, you'll owe me an apology after the game, etc." Yes, I know scum can and do post all of these things, but he does feel a bit indignant about it. I'm not sure what to make of his post where he suggested a possible Jan/Ladd pairing. I don't think that anybody has serious suspicions of either of them, so is him raising it town who is going against the grain or scum who is floating a pair to look like they're going against the grain? Either way, he's one of the people who every time I listen to someone and think he could be scum, he posts and it feels town, so I don't know. If it weren't for him being wagoned the past two days, I'd probably just call him town and go about my day.

cape is someone that I haven't paid much attention to and have had mostly in my neutral space. I need to read there and develop an actual read. Though yesterday at eod, he did comment on my wagon partner statement with something like what do you mean partners wtf, and that read kinda townie.

yes, I know this is a lot of words without clear conclusions and no scum reads. This isn't for that purpose but more for me to organize my thoughts on each of the players off the top of my head to try to find where my weak spots are. If you are still reading this far and think I've made a dumb point or are not considering something, I'd be happy to hear it. I'm hoping to have some time tomorrow to do some rereading, but I will at the very least actually read cape and try to have a read there.

Super villagery post, i am finally cool with locking you in as villa (i prob should have done so a while ago lol)


To answer your question - i think visor is a villager also based on posting but i d probably be looking his way a bit more if not for the bpv stuff, simply cause everyone has at least something going for them so the bar for being called a villager this game is very high

[ladd]

i'm not sure why people are writing cape off tbh his vote on me is like textbook scum opportunism and there's nothing in the way of real thought behind it

vote: cape

I dont think anyone is really writing him off? Everyone has him PoEd afaict

Can you quote some examples of his posturing yday?

[Visor]

sup ladd

anything change for you overnight re raskol sleep and cape

[Raskolnikov]

Are u believe the mech or not?

Now I have cleared missunderstandings y. I was mostly confused by Ender.

Yeah that too it was a very circular argument to make to u

not sure what you expect frankly. I am town and I read nonsense used to push me. Should I not point it out?

[Raskolnikov]

NGL I read Subian's wall and it's definatly towny, but if Gemma allowed a no kill to the woofs, this is not mafia and not what I sign up for.

[Jan]

sup ladd

anything change for you overnight re raskol sleep and cape

everybody that knows rask says that this is not rask villa. (that is at least how the thread feels)
do you think this is a lock wolf or a chance all of you are wrong?

[Raskolnikov]

I think if ladd is a wolf he is mostly forced to push me into the poe slowly but surely because he just loses a f3 with tammy and myself.
But he doubled down on me as villa today.

Regarding visor there are ~5 people in this game that are more used to his limitations. I trust myself more in reading tea leaves.

if he is alive in f3 I might look at him again, and question why.

Sup Jan, what's up with F3? Why couldn't wolf!Ladd win before that? Would you write a town case about Ladd without resorting to it?

[ladd]

sup ladd

anything change for you overnight re raskol sleep and cape

sleep posting seemed slightly wolfy mostly cause the way they went on about being suspected everytime for silly reasons...doesnt really line up with how they played so far

throwing around that someone bussed but not really following it up with ~anything in that sense and instead pushing on cape doesnt inspire me with confidence either

cape pop in was w/e

I admit I am a sucker for rask posting, everytime they post I question if they are really a wolf lol but i think jan/suibian are both more be villa than rask still + you/syn knowing rask well and still thinking they are a wolf



I wouldnt really write off cape/sleep being w/w due to them voting each other today since if thats the team they have no way out anyway and no interactions before today seem non w/w afair

[Raskolnikov]

everybody that knows rask says that this is not rask villa. (that is at least how the thread feels)
do you think this is a lock wolf or a chance all of you are wrong?

Don't bother, it's prolly better I die anyway, for town chances of winning, my sanity, and the thread mood lmao. It's sad to say, but considering the numbers of clears, and considering that I have been up for the chop for 3 days nonstop because, lol my opener, I'd rather die today. Because I am not doing this to me for another week lol. Also will get to shitpost with the friendos in dvc.

[Jan]

Sup Jan, what's up with F3? Why couldn't wolf!Ladd win before that? Would you write a town case about Ladd without resorting to it?

Assuming the mech clears are true and my read on sui is correct then if ladd was a wolf then his partner is between sleep cape and you.
Easy math. No big surprise there.

And no I won't make a town case for ladd sorry.
I think he is a villa but he is also the one person in my core I can be wrong on.
He would be just locked in as villa but his d1 vote on el barto has a chance of bussing.

But all that read comes down to for me is does this feel like solving ladd and do I see him being opportunistic or prepping any kills on villas.
And looking for quotes about something he does not do is kind of difficult, but I gave an example earlier about him not doubting me at all today.

[Visor]

everybody that knows rask says that this is not rask villa. (that is at least how the thread feels)
do you think this is a lock wolf or a chance all of you are wrong?

ofc theres a chance

but heres the thing

if rasko aint a wolf, who is?

we look at sleep next and sure that looks reasonable but sleep/cape don't exactly feel aligned (unless they just decided to yolo bus to get one deep)

[Visor]

i could be convinced to go sleep first i guess maybe