Is it wrong to village read novice for doing the post counts?
yes
05-28-2017, 21:22
Champ
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Zack
yes
Ok I'll make up a fake reason then
05-28-2017, 21:23
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
D1: Sooh, Novice, and Viper dominate the first half discussing meta and stuff. In the second half, GH creates the Khaan wagon, while Choxorn and I say some things that people don't like and become wagons.
D2: Chox is again a target, but the first half of the day is dominated by Barto and Manasi and the poisoning issue, as well as discussion over block claims. Barto issue fades for resolution overnight. GH is still low-key. Wants Choxorn, auto, and Barto lynched. GH deploys a customary chaos-dunk on Raith at the very end that could make himself look better in the long-run, even if it may piss a few people off for D3.
Yes, this is very nicely played by scum GH if that's your point. I don't see how that supports your argument that he is scum though.
05-28-2017, 21:27
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
D1: Sooh, Novice, and Viper dominate the first half discussing meta and stuff. In the second half, GH creates the Khaan wagon, while Choxorn and I say some things that people don't like and become wagons.
What had happened so far on day one for you to decide that trapping GH was better than sheeping him when he made his Khaan case?
(Refer to this post for elaboration:)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Originally Posted by novice
So Monty, upon seeing GH make a case against Seireikhaan and noticing yourself a possible scum tell on Seireikhaan, you decide that this scum tell should be used for trapping scum GH, based on the questionable assumption that only townies would add said scum tell to their case?
It sounds incredibly contrived. Why not just join GH on the Khaan wagon and evaluate GH after seeing Khaan's flip?
05-28-2017, 21:28
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by novice
Yes, this is very nicely played by scum GH if that's your point. I don't see how that supports your argument that he is scum though.
Zack asked me what was different between D1 and D2. My post only addresses that question.
05-28-2017, 21:28
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Zack asked me what was different between D1 and D2. My post only addresses that question.
OK, thanks/sorry.
05-28-2017, 21:29
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by novice
What had happened so far on day one for you to decide that trapping GH was better than sheeping him when he made his Khaan case?
(Refer to this post for elaboration:)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
It's hard for me to think of a time when I would sheep someone I think is scum for the sake of collecting data. I'm sure it must have happened once or twice, but it's not a natural impulse for me. Also, as I said, I wasn't around to do anything else D1.
05-28-2017, 21:30
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Zack asked me what was different between D1 and D2. My post only addresses that question.
The answer is nothing to support your claim that scum avoid attention d1 and relish it d2.
05-28-2017, 21:31
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
It's hard for me to think of a time when I would sheep someone I think is scum for the sake of collecting data. I'm sure it must have happened once or twice, but it's not a natural impulse for me. Also, as I said, I wasn't around to do anything else D1.
How did you think he was scum? He hadn't failed to respond to your khaan thing yet at that point in time.
05-28-2017, 21:40
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Zack
The answer is nothing to support your claim that scum avoid attention d1 and relish it d2.
I'm not going to debate that the theoretical matter with you. For this game in particular, I think it shows that the players in question aren't inviting excessive attention by their own behavior on D1.
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Originally Posted by Zack
How did you think he was scum? He hadn't failed to respond to your khaan thing yet at that point in time.
I gave my warning "going for the badge" post, and was unavailable soon after.
05-28-2017, 21:41
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Manasi
I do still think novice/Zack/SV/GH/Csargo are villagers so should be fine running with that for a while.
Why Csargo?
05-28-2017, 21:42
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
I'm not going to debate that the theoretical matter with you. For this game in particular, I think it shows that the players in question aren't inviting excessive attention by their own behavior on D1.
I gave my warning "going for the badge" post, and was unavailable soon after.
but they were on d2, so your point that they avoided attention as a strike against them is meaningless
but they were on d2, so your point that they avoided attention as a strike against them is meaningless
why did you think he was scum at that time?
But I wasn't using it as a "strike" against them. ???
GH? All that has been said before serves as my explanation.
05-28-2017, 21:50
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
But I wasn't using it as a "strike" against them. ???
GH? All that has been said before serves as my explanation.
um, yes you were
you have said scum avoid attention and stuff as a reason to condemn gh
when i pointed out this isn't true, you made up a non sequitur about how it's different because it was d2. I pointed the same thing out for barto, and when I refuted your claim that he loves attention as scum you didn't respond.
05-28-2017, 21:50
novice
Re: Tally as of post 972
Since there's no posting at night I'll do one of those cheesy "If I'm killed" speeches now.
Given the split votes right now there must be some scum in the danger zone. The split might look comfortable for scum because town is so disorganized, but it's also highly volatile and thus uncomfortable for scum (thanks to Pizza for teaching me this).
Remember this tally and subsequent vote switches when analyzing today.
05-28-2017, 21:52
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Zack
why did you think he was scum at that time?
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
GH? All that has been said before serves as my explanation.
You must have felt that he was scummy prior to laying a trap for him?
05-28-2017, 21:54
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Zack
um, yes you were
you have said scum avoid attention and stuff as a reason to condemn gh
when i pointed out this isn't true, you made up a non sequitur about how it's different because it was d2. I pointed the same thing out for barto, and when I refuted your claim that he loves attention as scum you didn't respond.
No. I said that because scum prefer to conserve force on D1, and because town GH tends to be diligent and responsive, the fact that GH took his case seriously only to the extent that it was set in motion, without adding to it, even when boosted, counted as a scumtell.
I speak for what I have seen Barto do, you speak for what you have seen.
05-28-2017, 21:56
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by novice
You must have felt that he was scummy prior to laying a trap for him?
I've said that I didn't like GH's case, so in the way of early hunches I needed to explore it.
05-28-2017, 21:57
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
GH? All that has been said before serves as my explanation.
No no no. You told novice that you already suspected GH before any perceived failure to follow up on his khaan case (when he asked you why you wanted to trap GH by offering a bone with khaan instead of simply pursuing khaan, you told him because GH was scum, when your main reasoning that I've seen for GH being scum is how he reacted AFTER that). You haven't talked about that reasoning afaik.
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
It's hard for me to think of a time when I would sheep someone I think is scum for the sake of collecting data. I'm sure it must have happened once or twice, but it's not a natural impulse for me. Also, as I said, I wasn't around to do anything else D1.
Why did you think GH was scum?
05-28-2017, 21:59
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
No. I said that because scum prefer to conserve force on D1, and because town GH tends to be diligent and responsive, the fact that GH took his case seriously only to the extent that it was set in motion, without adding to it, even when boosted, counted as a scumtell.
I speak for what I have seen Barto do, you speak for what you have seen.
Why d1 specifically and not d2? That's just arbitrary.
Are you now doing with Barto what you accused GH of doing with khaan?
05-28-2017, 21:59
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Zack
No no no. You told novice that you already suspected GH before any perceived failure to follow up on his khaan case (when he asked you why you wanted to trap GH by offering a bone with khaan instead of simply pursuing khaan, you told him because GH was scum, when your main reasoning that I've seen for GH being scum is how he reacted AFTER that). You haven't talked about that reasoning afaik.
Why did you think GH was scum?
Yes, I have. GH did something weird. I prodded him. He didn't react in a clearing way.
Do you imagine there's no gap between initial suspicion and time-to-Tdome?
05-28-2017, 22:01
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Yes, I have. GH did something weird. I prodded him. He didn't react in a clearing way.
Do you imagine there's no gap between initial suspicion and time-to-Tdome?
You said, "someone I think is scum"
You thought GH was scum based solely on that post about khaan? Seems like a huge leap, which I guess is why you're now trying to back down and say it was "something weird" you "prodded". But you told novice you thought it made GH scum, not weird.
05-28-2017, 22:01
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Zack
Why d1 specifically and not d2? That's just arbitrary.
Are you now doing with Barto what you accused GH of doing with khaan?
D1 more so than other days, by default. It's not arbitrary, it's related to game flow and stages.
Make your case.
05-28-2017, 22:02
Montmorency
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Zack
You said, "someone I think is scum"
You thought GH was scum based solely on that post about khaan? Seems like a huge leap, which I guess is why you're now trying to back down and say it was "something weird" you "prodded". But you told novice you thought it made GH scum, not weird.
I've already answered this.
05-28-2017, 22:05
Zack
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
D1 more so than other days, by default. It's not arbitrary, it's related to game flow and stages.
Make your case.
It is arbitrary in how you're applying it. D1 it's a scumtell for how he avoided going further in on khaan, on d2 when he brings a whole load of unnecessary attention to himself for little gain, you brush it aside as irrelevant.
Make my case on what? I gave an example of where Barto as scum that refuted your assertion he loves to be in the middle of attention as a wolf. You ignored this and refuse to go deeper into it.
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
I've already answered this.
Do it again.
I want to hear you explain why 90% of the game is null because lolidk, but you decided GH was scum and to trap him based on that one post about khaan.
05-28-2017, 22:05
Csargo
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
Are we just ignoring the fact that auto came in with that readlist with 2 scum leans and then voted BSmith? Is that not as weird as I think it is?
Unvote: Champ, Vote:autolycus
I'm just going to blindly trust Zack on Champ I guess, plus he was here and posted so seems good.
Why are we still discussing Monty's case on GH? It's bad, I thought that was already established. Discussing it further doesn't make it more or less bad. I don't know what to say at this point really.
Zack's stock is on the rise it seems.
05-28-2017, 22:08
El Barto
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Barto in particular likes to take the center of attention with panache, especially as scum.
Well, it is all a matter of theatrics, n'est ce pas?
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Originally Posted by Zack
It also bothers me how you just call everyone neutral. Add on to that your barto and gh reads, and it feels like you don't really care that much about finding wolves. Your only scum leans are contrived for reasons I've pointed out (they did ONE THING you DID NOT LIKE so you won't let it go and you'll stay in that tunnel while they live), and you don't even bother to try giving a read on most of the game.
I agree that M. Montmorency does not look good in this light.
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Originally Posted by Champ
Ok I'll make up a fake reason then
(!)
Good God, Lemon Champ.
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Originally Posted by novice
Since there's no posting at night I'll do one of those cheesy "If I'm killed" speeches now.
Given the split votes right now there must be some scum in the danger zone. The split might look comfortable for scum because town is so disorganized, but it's also highly volatile and thus uncomfortable for scum (thanks to Pizza for teaching me this).
Remember this tally and subsequent vote switches when analyzing today.
That is, assuming that there are actually any mafiosi in what you refer to as ‘the danger zone’.
05-28-2017, 22:09
novice
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by El Barto
That is, assuming that there are actually any mafiosi in what you refer to as ‘the danger zone’.
One could argue that 0 votes is also in the danger zone.
05-28-2017, 22:11
El Barto
Re: Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [In Play]
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Originally Posted by novice
One could argue that 0 votes is also in the danger zone.
