D1: Sooh, Novice, and Viper dominate the first half discussing meta and stuff. In the second half, GH creates the Khaan wagon, while Choxorn and I say some things that people don't like and become wagons.
D2: Chox is again a target, but the first half of the day is dominated by Barto and Manasi and the poisoning issue, as well as discussion over block claims. Barto issue fades for resolution overnight. GH is still low-key. Wants Choxorn, auto, and Barto lynched. GH deploys a customary chaos-dunk on Raith at the very end that could make himself look better in the long-run, even if it may piss a few people off for D3.
Vitiate Man.
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D1: Sooh, Novice, and Viper dominate the first half discussing meta and stuff. In the second half, GH creates the Khaan wagon, while Choxorn and I say some things that people don't like and become wagons.
D2: Chox is again a target, but the first half of the day is dominated by Barto and Manasi and the poisoning issue, as well as discussion over block claims. Barto issue fades for resolution overnight. GH is still low-key. Wants Choxorn, auto, and Barto lynched. GH deploys a customary chaos-dunk on Raith at the very end that could make himself look better in the long-run, even if it may piss a few people off for D3.
Yes, this is very nicely played by scum GH if that's your point. I don't see how that supports your argument that he is scum though.
D1: Sooh, Novice, and Viper dominate the first half discussing meta and stuff. In the second half, GH creates the Khaan wagon, while Choxorn and I say some things that people don't like and become wagons.
What had happened so far on day one for you to decide that trapping GH was better than sheeping him when he made his Khaan case?
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Originally Posted by novice
So Monty, upon seeing GH make a case against Seireikhaan and noticing yourself a possible scum tell on Seireikhaan, you decide that this scum tell should be used for trapping scum GH, based on the questionable assumption that only townies would add said scum tell to their case?
It sounds incredibly contrived. Why not just join GH on the Khaan wagon and evaluate GH after seeing Khaan's flip?
What had happened so far on day one for you to decide that trapping GH was better than sheeping him when he made his Khaan case?
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It's hard for me to think of a time when I would sheep someone I think is scum for the sake of collecting data. I'm sure it must have happened once or twice, but it's not a natural impulse for me. Also, as I said, I wasn't around to do anything else D1.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
It's hard for me to think of a time when I would sheep someone I think is scum for the sake of collecting data. I'm sure it must have happened once or twice, but it's not a natural impulse for me. Also, as I said, I wasn't around to do anything else D1.
How did you think he was scum? He hadn't failed to respond to your khaan thing yet at that point in time.
The answer is nothing to support your claim that scum avoid attention d1 and relish it d2.
I'm not going to debate that the theoretical matter with you. For this game in particular, I think it shows that the players in question aren't inviting excessive attention by their own behavior on D1.
Originally Posted by Zack
How did you think he was scum? He hadn't failed to respond to your khaan thing yet at that point in time.
I gave my warning "going for the badge" post, and was unavailable soon after.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
I'm not going to debate that the theoretical matter with you. For this game in particular, I think it shows that the players in question aren't inviting excessive attention by their own behavior on D1.
I gave my warning "going for the badge" post, and was unavailable soon after.
but they were on d2, so your point that they avoided attention as a strike against them is meaningless
GH? All that has been said before serves as my explanation.
No no no. You told novice that you already suspected GH before any perceived failure to follow up on his khaan case (when he asked you why you wanted to trap GH by offering a bone with khaan instead of simply pursuing khaan, you told him because GH was scum, when your main reasoning that I've seen for GH being scum is how he reacted AFTER that). You haven't talked about that reasoning afaik.
Originally Posted by Montmorency
It's hard for me to think of a time when I would sheep someone I think is scum for the sake of collecting data. I'm sure it must have happened once or twice, but it's not a natural impulse for me. Also, as I said, I wasn't around to do anything else D1.
No no no. You told novice that you already suspected GH before any perceived failure to follow up on his khaan case (when he asked you why you wanted to trap GH by offering a bone with khaan instead of simply pursuing khaan, you told him because GH was scum, when your main reasoning that I've seen for GH being scum is how he reacted AFTER that). You haven't talked about that reasoning afaik.
Why did you think GH was scum?
Yes, I have. GH did something weird. I prodded him. He didn't react in a clearing way.
Do you imagine there's no gap between initial suspicion and time-to-Tdome?
Vitiate Man.
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The glib replies, the same defeats
Yes, I have. GH did something weird. I prodded him. He didn't react in a clearing way.
Do you imagine there's no gap between initial suspicion and time-to-Tdome?
You said, "someone I think is scum"
You thought GH was scum based solely on that post about khaan? Seems like a huge leap, which I guess is why you're now trying to back down and say it was "something weird" you "prodded". But you told novice you thought it made GH scum, not weird.
You thought GH was scum based solely on that post about khaan? Seems like a huge leap, which I guess is why you're now trying to back down and say it was "something weird" you "prodded". But you told novice you thought it made GH scum, not weird.
I've already answered this.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Are we just ignoring the fact that auto came in with that readlist with 2 scum leans and then voted BSmith? Is that not as weird as I think it is?
Unvote: Champ, Vote:autolycus
I'm just going to blindly trust Zack on Champ I guess, plus he was here and posted so seems good.
Why are we still discussing Monty's case on GH? It's bad, I thought that was already established. Discussing it further doesn't make it more or less bad. I don't know what to say at this point really.
Zack's stock is on the rise it seems.
Originally Posted by Sooh
I wonder if I can make Csargo cry harder by doing everyone but his ISO.
Since there's no posting at night I'll do one of those cheesy "If I'm killed" speeches now.
Given the split votes right now there must be some scum in the danger zone. The split might look comfortable for scum because town is so disorganized, but it's also highly volatile and thus uncomfortable for scum (thanks to Pizza for teaching me this).
Remember this tally and subsequent vote switches when analyzing today.
Originally Posted by Csargo
Are we just ignoring the fact that auto came in with that readlist with 2 scum leans and then voted BSmith? Is that not as weird as I think it is?
Unvote: Champ, Vote:autolycus
I'm just going to blindly trust Zack on Champ I guess, plus he was here and posted so seems good.
Why are we still discussing Monty's case on GH? It's bad, I thought that was already established. Discussing it further doesn't make it more or less bad. I don't know what to say at this point really.
Zack's stock is on the rise it seems.
All this time I thought Csargo was so insistent on Auto cfd to save Monty.
Are we just ignoring the fact that auto came in with that readlist with 2 scum leans and then voted BSmith? Is that not as weird as I think it is?
Unvote: Champ, Vote:autolycus
I'm just going to blindly trust Zack on Champ I guess, plus he was here and posted so seems good.
Why are we still discussing Monty's case on GH? It's bad, I thought that was already established. Discussing it further doesn't make it more or less bad. I don't know what to say at this point really.
Maybe Csargo was waiting for an opportunity to jump off Champ.
Vote: Champ
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Csargo
Gut call.
This was the reaction I referred to as a typical scum reaction. Reading on though GH treats the Zack-Monty interaction in a protown manner, so I'd say in total he comes out of the whole claim discussion looking pretty good.
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I think Monty has more self-respect than to use this tactic here if he's a partner?
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So if GH and Monty are town, and Jabbz is town, there are not many options left. Hence my current Champ vote.
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