Tarot Mafia

Players Votes

Wisdom 6 (Gemma, Ladd, EnderWiggin, nebjiamn, dyachei, Jan)
Ladd 4 (Montmorency, Theknightsofneeee, grr, Dolby)
Maple 3 (insomnia, Wisdom, Vanta Black)
nebjiamn 1 (Sunbae)

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

cool i'm not the only one who thinks maple is just a villager here, not taking crazy pills

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well for what it's worth im not being voted out today lol

im getting killed by the unstoppable vigi instead!

oh i should clarify my role!

I think i've said it all already but:

I started the game with the ability to select any minor arcana card I wish, during the day. At the end of the day, I recieve whatever card I select which contains an ability related to that card.

n1 i was targeted by the inverser who made it so I now select a target to recieve the card (rather than getting it myself). I do not know what the cards do.

I targeted Arctic last night, and gave him some sorta Coins card, idr exactly which.

Anyway, I am currently targeting Jan w/ a utility card. We'll see what it does lol

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

idt you were ladd's main push d1, i would say it was sheep/knights, you were a side dish when the thread stagnated a bit. at least that's how i read things. ladd can feel free to clarify ig

and i've factored that in, but i don't have a strong village read on you so idt its fair or charitable for me to suggest you are also a reason ladd is a wolf in that world view when i know me/sheep are villagers, knights is likely one, but my confidence on you being one is pretty shaky at best. i could easily have things inverted between you/ladd so /shrug

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i'm gonna reiterate, gemma had every reason/excuse to leave their vote on me day 1 if they were a wolf

i was a competing wagon to them (i think we were both at 3 votes, and syn/sheep were the next highest at 2)

so moving off of me (villa), and onto syn (wolf), in a high leverage spot at EOD, especially considering no one cajoled gemma to move there specifically, and it reinvigorated that wagon which was dying off.

I can't really wolf read gemma after that personally. Gemma would have to be like a serial busser, or think they were for sure gonna die and was trying to distance (IMO that wasn't how EOD 1 felt).

btw

something that I didn't want to talk about earlier but seems relevant if people are going to lynch wisdom.

Inverter seems like it would make sense with a firefighter role specifically because i assume it would turn the firefighting part of the role into a douse.

Which would make claiming the role early for clearance bad mechanically, and is the type of punishing claiming that I know visor likes to put in his games.

would also make sense to therefore only give villas the firefighter as well, because wolves/whoever the inverter is could potentially neutralize it.



I super buy the claim.

i've noticed dolby talking about my alignment with what feels like complete certainty a couple of times, so i have just the slightest #fear that i got snowed in early by cobalt, but cobalt RWSTFO'd, and dolby is just tryharding and is also TMI'ing my alignment

not something i'm dealing with today but consider it noted

Ugh, nope,let me think about this for 10 minutes

vote: Unvote

EoD hits me at dinnnertime/cook time/family time but I do have 10 minutes

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Originally Posted by ladd

I am kinda living in a knights wolf world right now, that is probably my hottest take



I hated this post today and if you eliminate the syn vote at eod1 their posting just isnt good imo?

their jan push is obsolete by now, their d1 was wolfy (imo, but newcomb agreed!)

I see people saying "knight would tried harder as a wolf" but that read has an accurcay way below rand ime

EoD1 sure looks good from knights but they were already a wagon and widely suspected, I dont think it's really such a crazy buss for them to make. If they wolfside at EoD they just risk both of them going down

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Idk i think you're familiar enough with my play that I very rarely bus, and if I do I make a show of it and try to get clearance for it.

My weak ass stuff on syn at EOD wouldn't be how i would play a bus, plus I had already set up a gemma!wolf read so i could just vote there instead of on a syn.



I agree that saying 'i would try harder as a wolf' is a bad read, but thats mostly just because I usually try just based on how much time I have available in 12/12 games.

48/24 is a different beast, and i've absolutely had time to post the last couple days, just didn't really feel like it. And I get that that is statistically >rand wolfy to admit but its the truth.



And tbqh, the wolf pushes on me day 1 were pretty lame and insubstantial, essentially boiled down to 'knights would be trying harder' or 'tone' also.

But I don't think you can reasonably make a case against me being a wolf based on my voting/pushes.

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

cool i'm not the only one who thinks maple is just a villager here, not taking crazy pills

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I don't really have qualms with their posts and i'm fine on my wagon, but it kinda makes sense with these:

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i agree on wisdom's w equity and the out of placeness of the claim in relation to everything else. idrg it but she did fake claim as a wolf in a recent 12/12er i hosted where she claimed some kinda cop (vanilla cop or somethin idr) on d2 as and survived / won the game off that silliness. if i draw a parallel from that game to this one the a) apparently unnecessary claim timing and b) the believability of the role existing in the roleset given everything else we know (she claimed that cop when other investigative had been elim'd d1 and i think the other PR had a pseudo invest like a desperado or smth) line up with my perception of the current game state and her place in it.

the 3p!devil would make sense thematically as an arsonist but there's ~0% shot rask tried to fake claim a vig shot that wasn't his own and the rest of the apparent KP in the game doesn't align with an arsonist existing unless they ignited last night AND arctic... shot someone he was village reading

my worry is that maple is wolf KP and wisdom is a meh role/Goon particularly because how the self-resolving/attention drawing occurred and if w we look at another 2/3 deaths tomorrow. but in that world i feel like wisdom would be lolcatting to throw the lunch here and they seem content? maybe that's telling lol

maybe we flip it around and kill wisdom here and have jan jail/kill maple? idk

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Originally Posted by ladd

They just came out of a game where they fakeclaimed d2 as a wolf on MU, their firefighter claim i think is pretty weak for reasons already explained

Their pushes have all been extremely surface level and especially their pushes on vanta/gemma i think lack the care/paranoia wisdom would have there as a villager. Bonus: i think gemma is a villager and the only possible wolf pushing them d1 is wisdom

bop died calling for their head

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Originally Posted by ladd

last thoughts:

i think if wisdom/maple are w/w, wisdom has the more useful power tonight. maple would def be able to post better here as a wolf to swing the lunch if need be

I find really hard to believe wisdom v and maple w worlds cause i really dont get what manti is doing here in this scenario

v/v we are probably fucked

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

yea i pondered that earlier. i think i was a bit thrown by how d2 played out and manti wanting one more day but that doesnt align with how they are playing today cause wisdom is like... trying and manti isnt?

if jan is real it shouldn't really matter since if they are w/w he can jail the other but im down to swap in case of shenanigans of some sort

im swamped at work so idk how realistic it is for me to make it back for eod again. sorry

vote: wisdom

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so. 1. how did they both get the "they did that on MU idea" at the same time and both 1 day after the claim happened and not like, immediately lol.

(i believe I brought it up first btw)

2. wisdom... literally... dipped?

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Vibes, I think it was Insomnia that said something about Ladd not having strong reads and his pushes has been on town, that I vibed with.

Also, his 180 on me is opportunistic. And while his reads looks good on a glance, he still has gemma as town and maybe the team is just Gemma/Ladd/Maple and Gemma buses them both to go deep since they're both is the consensus PoE.

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that was her last posts 6 HOURS before benneh and ladd talked about it (and the ones before were also slow)

she just explained a bit said something among the lines "ladd sus" and disappeared? she wasnt "trying" (at least not effectively) lol. maple was active and posting. wisdom was gone rofl. so yeah the theory that wisdom posted stronger and therefor is the more powerful wolf role is kinda sus. and um, yeah that whole movement just makes more sense with maple w.

I just consciously realized that i'm probably over indexing on villa reading people for their wall posting this game, because I think people taking the time to make compelling wall post cases/iso's in 12/12 is usually slightly >rand villager, but in a 48/24 with post cap people have way more time so its probably just = rand.

will probably reeval dolby/monty/gemma/ender with that in mind.

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

I just consciously realized that i'm probably over indexing on villa reading people for their wall posting this game, because I think people taking the time to make compelling wall post cases/iso's in 12/12 is usually slightly >rand villager, but in a 48/24 with post cap people have way more time so its probably just = rand.

will probably reeval dolby/monty/gemma/ender with that in mind.

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on average walls are >rand w and you cant convince me otherweise

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Originally Posted by Maple

on average walls are >rand w and you cant convince me otherweise

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key word is compelling

oh look other people are questioning too

can we go back to looking at ladd?

Like, I trust more of the voters on ladd, than the voters on Maple. And more of the voters on Wisdom than the voters on Maple.

The majority has been right two days in a row.

I don't wholly trust either claim but it sounds like Maple's claim is resolvable. But if Wisdom's claim is real then she does have an action tonight I think--somebody said she doesn't.

I think if Maple doesn't get resolved we kill him tomorrow?

vote: Wisdom

@Vanta Black

what would you say is your strongest 3 reads ATM?

and how do you normally like to play as a wolf? coast and try to survive? push villagers? protect wolf partners? something else? trying to see what I should see that makes you a villager.

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Originally Posted by dyachei

oh look other people are questioning too

can we go back to looking at ladd?

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Was very nearly voting ladd until neeee hopped on there.

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

i've noticed dolby talking about my alignment with what feels like complete certainty a couple of times, so i have just the slightest #fear that i got snowed in early by cobalt, but cobalt RWSTFO'd, and dolby is just tryharding and is also TMI'ing my alignment

not something i'm dealing with today but consider it noted

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bruh

But I don't have time to go back and look.

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Was very nearly voting ladd until neeee hopped on there.

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Players Votes

Wisdom 7 (Gemma, Ladd, EnderWiggin, nebjiamn, dyachei, Jan, Vanta Black)
Ladd 4 (Montmorency, Theknightsofneeee, grr, Dolby)
Maple 2 (insomnia, Wisdom)
nebjiamn 1 (Sunbae)

@vanta

Do you have a reason that makes you think wisdom is a wolf?

or are you just trying to vote with people you have as villagers?

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Originally Posted by dyachei

oh look other people are questioning too

can we go back to looking at ladd?

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dya, ladd has 4 votes

no one ever stopped looking at ladd

vote: ladd

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Originally Posted by Gemma

dya, ladd has 4 votes

no one ever stopped looking at ladd

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they did when I was there earlier

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

@Vanta Black

what would you say is your strongest 3 reads ATM?

and how do you normally like to play as a wolf? coast and try to survive? push villagers? protect wolf partners? something else? trying to see what I should see that makes you a villager.

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Part 1: Dolby, grr, jan (this may be halo effect from previous Saints game)

Part 2: I have done some very foolish things to protect wolf partners and oddly enough I have usually gotten away with it. Not always.

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

@vanta

Do you have a reason that makes you think wisdom is a wolf?

or are you just trying to vote with people you have as villagers?

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Yes to both.

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

:wall:

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Sorry!

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Originally Posted by grr

I don't really have qualms with their posts and i'm fine on my wagon, but it kinda makes sense with these:












so. 1. how did they both get the "they did that on MU idea" at the same time and both 1 day after the claim happened and not like, immediately lol.

(i believe I brought it up first btw)

2. wisdom... literally... dipped?





that was her last posts 6 HOURS before benneh and ladd talked about it (and the ones before were also slow)

she just explained a bit said something among the lines "ladd sus" and disappeared? she wasnt "trying" (at least not effectively) lol. maple was active and posting. wisdom was gone rofl. so yeah the theory that wisdom posted stronger and therefor is the more powerful wolf role is kinda sus. and um, yeah that whole movement just makes more sense with maple w.

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I’ve had the thought but it was offset by me initially thinking they were likely w/w and manti was a better role

I’m not spewing every thot into the game thread right away at every chance given both the cap and general thread health reasons

To your last point I think there’s an interpretation translation issue because I’m not saying wisdoms posts were good. Just that manti wasn’t really teying much to wiggle out of the elim. If they are w/w and manti had the better power I’d expect he post better and wisdom would have somewhat conceded to dying earlier since they were really the only 2 wagons in consideration for most of today

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Originally Posted by dyachei

vote: ladd

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why ladd over wisdom dya

what are ur thoughts on Haru

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

why ladd over wisdom dya

what are ur thoughts on Haru

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you're better at reading haru than i am but like...I really like his tone here. yeah i know we should be past tone reads but like, he's just so pure imo

ladd over wisdom because ladd is like half-assedly pushing things and it doesnt feel like there's conviction

Three posts yet

Going to take a moment to say that I don't agree with grr that ladd and gemma are pairred but I can see how you think that way from Gemma's d3. I still need to re-ev gemma but she is probs town. Gemma you talked a bit about ladd and had some as bottom sus and I know why you moved him up, he had a good post iyo, but it feels like at some points today despite him being your top scumread you dont want to be there and are searching for reasons to get off of him

I'm still at ladd/wisdom/maple

@Jan I know you're saying you are going to execute Maple but please do not be swayed unless you receive something that confirms Maple's alignment to you

Sunbae's isolated Benneh vote is interesting on it's own and I want him to talk about it tomorrow

grr remains towny 2862 is towny

knights is fine. I'm at maple is a wolf bc I didn't like their posting, how Syn had them as top town, and later I didn't like their claim and felt like they weren't acting how a town that presumes they are being yeeted today and nothing can stop it SHOULD be acting. Like up until recently when they put out "ender's claim is, ben, dolby, sunbae]" I didn't even feel like I was getting that for solving and that is still unconvincing

fwiw I think that ladd's stuff on d2 with wisdom would be mildly unpairring if he went anywhere with it before today. i, again, feel like he is going there bc the gamestate is forcing him to and I agree with what grr is saying on maple being likely a more powerful wolf

Knights I think that the inverter is town from who they have targetted and tbh given inverter has if anything buffed people I kinda think that makes wisdom a more likely wolf? like, a reward for being inverter targetted.

Vanta is disconnected this EOD and I think that's towny

I have three posts left. I'm saving two of them for the last 10 minutes

iso'd vanta because i've had a complacent villa lean on them from day 1.

was hoping i'd come away with a wolf read because I'm starting to run low on people I want to push after ladd/jan

unfortunately still villa read this slot

his early jan villa read that he gave for jan talking about tarot cards felt super pure then, and still pure now.

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I am quoting this because it kind of illustrates a problem I have, and also the seal illustrates me.

I am a very low-level player and I read this three times and still don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you mean by BM, I don't know why reading MU to see if this game would be bastard would uh, tell you that, I guess I do know that Manti is Maple but "burnt inverse" etc. means nothing to me, it's just beyond me.

A lot of you guys' posts I have to read three times before I can make any sense out of them, and even when I do I lose the thread almost immediately. Sorry for dragging the general intelligence of the thread down.

I mean, I guess I thought I might improve my game by playing with elite players, but I am so far behind.

Anyway, in a couple of words, is this suspicion on Maple or not? Because I have town lean on Maple left over from yesterday. That's... basically what I got from "being targeted by maf for cred."

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think this frustration could be incorrectly villa read, but i think vanta could easily feel this as either alignment so want to make it clear if people are villa reading posts like this I think that read is pretty bad.

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Thank you, would you like to be my translater for the rest of the game (or as long as I last anyhow)?

Maple's response to it also helped clear things up.

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

@didistetter I had a whole reads list, which was very heavily weighted on players I know/have played with being town, so I recalibrated. As of right now, and these are not so much reads as impressions:

Arctic--leaning town, mainly because he wrote a post that i think if he was a wolf he would have edited it
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
ColonelLubriderm--I know I was kinda down on him yesterday because his posts seemed forced but I think Syn spewed him clear at some point. town lean.
Didistetter--Seems to be very aggressive player. Widely townread, but I'm a bit contrarian so not yet.
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
dyachei--hard for me to read, I kinda vibed with "I'll get wolfread" though
EnderWiggen--I'm looking back at votes on him, I kind of had the same impression I had yesterday of Col. Lube, posts a little forced. But this is someone I have played with before and I've got to temper my urge to think he's wolfy because I've done that when he was town
Gemma--oh man. She's entertaining. I did like her vote on Syn, and she posted a good read list today. I never did figure out how she reversed her read on syn yesterday but for that I wouldn't vote her (but if I had a dayvig...)
grr--seems kind of contrarian, and I kinda like that. Probably not a good reason but I have TRed for less.
jan--my strongest town atm, even though he didn't give me a card
insomnia--no real opinion, sorry
ladd--did he post a cat picture? I think that was somebody else. Null atm
Maple--I really liked Maple's posts yesterday. I haven't really changed my opinion
Montmorency--no idea
nebjiamn Benneh--getting a cat? Cannot decide whether wolfy or towny for the cat thing
Sunbae--is not standing out in my memory, will reread
Raskolnikov--he is a very good wolf, also very good town. It would be hard for me to vote him today despite some pings--a lilttle defensive about defending Syn yesterday.
theknightsofneee--aside from the annoying username, which I'm probably typing wrong, SL on this one, can't really say why
Wisdom--I'm trying to get over the fact that in the last game here I sort of tunneled her and then she turned out to be town. I know she is a really good player as either alignment. Wouldn't vote today. Would like to know what folks think who have played more with her.

You have posted a vote count every now and then--where are you getting them? I kinda suspect you are just keeping track. What I've got right now in terms of votes:

EnderWiggen 3: Dolby, ColonelLubridern, didistetter
Gemma 1: Wisdom
Maple 1: ladd
nebgiamn 1: Gemma
Raskolnikov 1: EnderWiggen
Sunbae 1: grr

Not voting: Arctic, dyachei, Maple, Montmorency, nebgiamn, Sunbae, Theknightsofneee, Vanta Black

I feel like there ought to be more votes. I tend not to vote a lot when the game host is keeping track manually, or probably in general now that I think of it. Right now my vote would be on Montmorency because according to my notes hardly anybody has said anything about him.

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*caveat I am intentionally not gonna over villa read wall posts*

i think the way that vanta focuses on people that he has played with before feels level 1 villagery in a good way,

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

@Raskolnikov, I am not claiming to be a noob (even though compared to a lot of the players here, I kinda am) but I will admit to being overwhelmed. Just a bit. I think it is mean that you did not offer me a virtual mojito with that post. I coulda used it.

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I don't understand all this D2 claiming tbh. I don' trust any of 'em now.

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I really liked this post.

I think this is what an overwhelmed villager's first instinct would be, especially with several confusing mechanics/claims compounding.



My biggest reservation is that his pushes so far today (maple/wisdom) seem a bit unsubstantiated/concensus'y, and i don't feel much scumhunting from this slot. But by their own admission they're not the strongest villager so i'm not as concerned as I maybe should be.

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I am quoting this because it kind of illustrates a problem I have, and also the seal illustrates me.

I am a very low-level player and I read this three times and still don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you mean by BM, I don't know why reading MU to see if this game would be bastard would uh, tell you that, I guess I do know that Manti is Maple but "burnt inverse" etc. means nothing to me, it's just beyond me.

A lot of you guys' posts I have to read three times before I can make any sense out of them, and even when I do I lose the thread almost immediately. Sorry for dragging the general intelligence of the thread down.

I mean, I guess I thought I might improve my game by playing with elite players, but I am so far behind.

Anyway, in a couple of words, is this suspicion on Maple or not? Because I have town lean on Maple left over from yesterday. That's... basically what I got from "being targeted by maf for cred."

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Thank you, would you like to be my translater for the rest of the game (or as long as I last anyhow)?

Maple's response to it also helped clear things up.

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

@didistetter I had a whole reads list, which was very heavily weighted on players I know/have played with being town, so I recalibrated. As of right now, and these are not so much reads as impressions:

Arctic--leaning town, mainly because he wrote a post that i think if he was a wolf he would have edited it
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
ColonelLubriderm--I know I was kinda down on him yesterday because his posts seemed forced but I think Syn spewed him clear at some point. town lean.
Didistetter--Seems to be very aggressive player. Widely townread, but I'm a bit contrarian so not yet.
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
dyachei--hard for me to read, I kinda vibed with "I'll get wolfread" though
EnderWiggen--I'm looking back at votes on him, I kind of had the same impression I had yesterday of Col. Lube, posts a little forced. But this is someone I have played with before and I've got to temper my urge to think he's wolfy because I've done that when he was town
Gemma--oh man. She's entertaining. I did like her vote on Syn, and she posted a good read list today. I never did figure out how she reversed her read on syn yesterday but for that I wouldn't vote her (but if I had a dayvig...)
grr--seems kind of contrarian, and I kinda like that. Probably not a good reason but I have TRed for less.
jan--my strongest town atm, even though he didn't give me a card
insomnia--no real opinion, sorry
ladd--did he post a cat picture? I think that was somebody else. Null atm
Maple--I really liked Maple's posts yesterday. I haven't really changed my opinion
Montmorency--no idea
nebjiamn Benneh--getting a cat? Cannot decide whether wolfy or towny for the cat thing
Sunbae--is not standing out in my memory, will reread
Raskolnikov--he is a very good wolf, also very good town. It would be hard for me to vote him today despite some pings--a lilttle defensive about defending Syn yesterday.
theknightsofneee--aside from the annoying username, which I'm probably typing wrong, SL on this one, can't really say why
Wisdom--I'm trying to get over the fact that in the last game here I sort of tunneled her and then she turned out to be town. I know she is a really good player as either alignment. Wouldn't vote today. Would like to know what folks think who have played more with her.

You have posted a vote count every now and then--where are you getting them? I kinda suspect you are just keeping track. What I've got right now in terms of votes:

EnderWiggen 3: Dolby, ColonelLubridern, didistetter
Gemma 1: Wisdom
Maple 1: ladd
nebgiamn 1: Gemma
Raskolnikov 1: EnderWiggen
Sunbae 1: grr

Not voting: Arctic, dyachei, Maple, Montmorency, nebgiamn, Sunbae, Theknightsofneee, Vanta Black

I feel like there ought to be more votes. I tend not to vote a lot when the game host is keeping track manually, or probably in general now that I think of it. Right now my vote would be on Montmorency because according to my notes hardly anybody has said anything about him.

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

@Raskolnikov, I am not claiming to be a noob (even though compared to a lot of the players here, I kinda am) but I will admit to being overwhelmed. Just a bit. I think it is mean that you did not offer me a virtual mojito with that post. I coulda used it.

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

I don't understand all this D2 claiming tbh. I don' trust any of 'em now.

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Originally Posted by Vanta Black

Sorry!

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nah its fine just funny/annoying if you're village

but such is life :cheers:

why do my multiquoted posts keep staying around after i make a post with them zzzzzzzz

pls help

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Originally Posted by dyachei

you're better at reading haru than i am but like...I really like his tone here. yeah i know we should be past tone reads but like, he's just so pure imo

ladd over wisdom because ladd is like half-assedly pushing things and it doesnt feel like there's conviction

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Do you think they’re w/w and he’s grabbing cred or do you think wisdom has more v equity than him?

agree on Haru but tones his best quality. I was hoping to solidify my read on him but we kinda didn’t get a chance to engage much. I still lean v but ya

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Originally Posted by ladd

last thoughts:

i think if wisdom/maple are w/w, wisdom has the more useful power tonight. maple would def be able to post better here as a wolf to swing the lunch if need be

I find really hard to believe wisdom v and maple w worlds cause i really dont get what manti is doing here in this scenario

v/v we are probably fucked

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i want to burn this post with fire

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

why do my multiquoted posts keep staying around after i make a post with them zzzzzzzz

pls help

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skill issue tbh

ladds read in knights is real bad imo and feels like widening the POE, esp since im who he’s pairing knights with

idk if i have the balls to do it and be wrong tho cause then im eating a vig shot in the face (or a launch)

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

Do you think they’re w/w and he’s grabbing cred or do you think wisdom has more v equity than him?

agree on Haru but tones his best quality. I was hoping to solidify my read on him but we kinda didn’t get a chance to engage much. I still lean v but ya

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I think ladd is much wolfier and Idk that he's grabbing cred vs pushing someone easier to be miskilled

“nebjiamn Benneh--getting a cat? Cannot decide whether wolfy or towny for the cat thing”


lmao

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

i want to burn this post with fire

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thats a p bad post LOL

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

Sorry about today's overall absence. Getting back from vacation both nuked more focus and stole more time than I expected.

Getting misyeeted here is the norm but I've been even more disconnected than usually this game, that's on me. I do think both Maple and Gemma are wolves but maybe I've been too stubborn on Gemma since I know her flipping wolf is the easiest way to town clear me.

Here’s my legacy, in case I die.

Town (0 wolves)
Dya

Town lean (0-1 wolves)
Jan
Dolby
Grr
Insomnia

No idea (0-2 wolves)
Benneh
Ender
Sunbae
Knights
Monte

Wolf lean (0-2 wolves)
Vanta
Ladd

Wolf lean (1-2 wolves)
Gemma
Maple

Stay hyped and hydrated, good night <3

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/stare/

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Originally Posted by Maple

speaking of 0-2 wolves in vanta

its probably pretty important that people commit to *some* kind of read on that slot today just so there's some accountability with the inevitable swaps to that player if theyre alive in a couple days

which they will be

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very villagery from manti because i had the exact same thought (which is why i just iso'd vanta)

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Originally Posted by Jan

Vote: Wisdom

I will jail Maple and you can assume I will execute.

We will have a night talk of course but this is where I stand right now and big things need to happen for that to change. (actual hard confirmation that the village can comprehend even if I die).

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I think both this vote and this night action are very wolfy

but lets hope i'm wrong and jan's villa :juggle2:

i am kinda concerned that i may be wrong on Wisdom and it may be just Ladd/Maple. Wisdom is still a bottom three read for me and I think Wisdom can still be pairred with Ladd easy but like, Ladd calling out Wisdoms for good reasons on day two (that Wisdom just dropped a townread on Vanta to a scumread really abruptly) did feel good, but he never went anywhere with it until the middle of day three. Kinda just feels like cheap distancing in that context

Don't let anyone tell you that ladd and maple aren't teammed, I really just think they are off of interactions and ladd voting there without doing anything to inpact a Maple yeet outside that vote.

I feel that Wisdom using Gemma to say that Maple/Ladd were not w/w and Gemma was wolf was super bad and fits with wisdom/maple/ladd all being wolves

I think that ladd is only making the push on Wisdom today because of the threadstate. I think that he's only pushing wisdom today because of the threadstate. I think that if he cares about the dropped vanta read he would have done something with it on day two instead of just leaving them middle of the pack and saying (admitidly only semi prompted) that he's considering if wisdom could be a wolf and then coming up with reasons to v read wisdom. I also like, just don't feel any conviction in reads on Benneh and sunbae which is a bad sign when I feel like he's on Wisdom for gamestate only reads already

grr has had really villagery today. I don't agree with it but I feel ladd and gemma pairred was a towny thought informed by looking at what gemma has been doing on d3 only.

knights, maybe I should re-ev him but I really was feeling like his d1 posts are coming from town and I feel that the circumstances of eod1 led themselves to him being a villager, and syn probablybeing the only wolf wagon

gemma, eh I think Gemma is fine

Dolby
Dya

grr
Insomnia
Knights

Vanta Black
Monty - if bad is more likely a 3p than a mafia

EnderWiggin - yep Ender is this high! I feel like i kinda tunneled on Ender but he had a lot of villager energy today and I feel like some of his posting doesn't look as bad as I was acribing it in retrospect
Gemma - need to re-ev

Benneh - need to re-ev
Sunbae - need to re-ev

Wisdom
Ladd
Maple - please kill with fire jan

I have two posts left, this is my legacy. I am saving those two posts for vote changes if neccessary

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

“nebjiamn Benneh--getting a cat? Cannot decide whether wolfy or towny for the cat thing”


lmao

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NAI in the end. Good luck, once you have decided you need a cat, a cat will appear, somehow.

Also @insomnia congrats on the job.

would Ladd be more upset at me for misvoting him here if he’s town or me breaking the spaghetti noodles I just put in the water for dinner

im fine with ladd dying im personally just not voting there rn bc im in wolfchat with him

went back to find that wisdom/syn interaction that i liked day 2

it was this first one (where wisdom talked about giving rask a villa read) but awkwardly reading it with the rask flip makes it kinda feel like TMI from wisdom

so i came away with the opposite read lmfao

below is all syn --> wisdom interactions

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Originally Posted by Syn

?????????

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Originally Posted by Syn

take that back rn

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Originally Posted by Syn

town:
newcomb
maple
dyachei
gemma

idk fine i guess:
nebjiamn
didistetter
sunbae
grr
insomnia
c0balt

i can't recall a single post/no opinion:
arctic
vanta black
theknightsofneeee

why (diet version):
enderwiggin
colonellubriderm

why:
raskolnikov
wisdom
jan
sheepsaysmeep



are hally and montmorency actually playing this game or are they in the player list for the lulz

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Originally Posted by Syn

looks at my poe

looks at this post

looks at my poe

looks at this post

surely it cannot be

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notable is ladd left off the reads list and then put in 'fine i guess' after and having this interaction with syn

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Originally Posted by Syn

wtf man

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which still feels pretty partner'y to me

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

would Ladd be more upset at me for misvoting him here if he’s town or me breaking the spaghetti noodles I just put in the water for dinner

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no boss

you cant be putting your hands in boiling water like that

and if ur implying that u put the noodles in cold water idek what to say to u rn

after iso'ing wisdom i honestly don't see him as super wolfy

like its def not blowing me away with villageriness or anything, but yeah i'm not super feeling it

this might be a stupid read but I think wolf!wisdom wouldn't have me as essentially null most of the game when i was one of the only people even vaguely defending him the last couple of days, and I voted on a wolf EOD1

i think he would have enough self pres instinct to at least fake that read lol

and I think the POV of wisdom pushing his gemma wolf read in an effort to potentially clear himself, even tho realistically his read on gemma shouldn't be that strong, is something I've done as a villager who is wolf read and felt that he was likely to get miselimed

Like I said, I think Town has lost the initiative. I would truly have my mind blown were the trio collectively to be pure, but if any of them were town, I suspect maf will drive the lim onto them.

Why break spaghetti, it softens in just seconds. Dump it all in, wait 10 seconds (add the salt now), stir. This may or may not be a metaphor.

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Originally Posted by Gemma

im fine with ladd dying im personally just not voting there rn bc im in wolfchat with him

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but imagine if we both hammered a wolf in 2 separate EOD's

think of the GLORY

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

after iso'ing wisdom i honestly don't see him as super wolfy

like its def not blowing me away with villageriness or anything, but yeah i'm not super feeling it

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wisdom goes by she or they fam

(idk if they really care or not but that's what their MU acct says)

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

I’ve had the thought but it was offset by me initially thinking they were likely w/w and manti was a better role

I’m not spewing every thot into the game thread right away at every chance given both the cap and general thread health reasons

To your last point I think there’s an interpretation translation issue because I’m not saying wisdoms posts were good. Just that manti wasn’t really teying much to wiggle out of the elim. If they are w/w and manti had the better power I’d expect he post better and wisdom would have somewhat conceded to dying earlier since they were really the only 2 wagons in consideration for most of today

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dont think he's posting bad no idea why it was framed like he was posting someone who wants to die over a no-poster (well who later made on single post) (especially, as you can see, ppl think hes town so he isnt posting so bad rofl)

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

wisdom goes by she or they fam

(idk if they really care or not but that's what their MU acct says)

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wish pronouns were listed here (or if they are IDK where to look)

but i'll be honest I had no clue on wisdom, and i've been trying to just use they for everyone to avoid dealing with it but sometimes I miss a couple (sorry wisdom <3 )

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

but imagine if we both hammered a wolf in 2 separate EOD's

think of the GLORY

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ngl swapping to ladd is tempting but it'd be rude to my boi newcomb

on the bright side if wisdom flips v and ladd is a wolf ur posting here will have u positioned to win it all in f3, now thats glory baby

Players Votes

Wisdom 6 (Gemma, Ladd, EnderWiggin, nebjiamn, Jan, Vanta Black)
Ladd 5 (Montmorency, Theknightsofneeee, dyachei, grr, Dolby)
Maple 2 (insomnia, Wisdom)
nebjiamn 1 (Sunbae)




believe this is correct

I think wisdom is likely a difference check to the entire team i posted earlier

ladd
gemma

benneh
maple


sure can be wrong but like, almost makes so much sense i find it hard to believe it can be wrong now lol

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Originally Posted by grr

dont think he's posting bad no idea why it was framed like he was posting someone who wants to die over a no-poster (well who later made on single post) (especially, as you can see, ppl think hes town so he isnt posting so bad rofl)

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again mistranslation, i am saying he wasn't trying, not that his posts were bad

he could def try harder to avoid the lunch /shrug

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Originally Posted by Gemma

ngl swapping to ladd is tempting but it'd be rude to my boi newcomb

on the bright side if wisdom flips v and ladd is a wolf ur posting here will have u positioned to win it all in f3, now thats glory baby

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if i'm in f3...


lets just say i won't be happy lol

vote: ladd

I thought I would swap if ladd became vote leader, but there is no vote count. Also if ladd became vote leader I wouldn't have to.

mont towny dont misyeet him
also knights lots more towny than ladd gives him credit for

Vote: ladd


siw trusting dya here

pasta gods give me strength

glgl hope i'm wrong

jk hope i'm right lol

Players Votes

Ladd 7 (Montmorency, grr, Dolby, Theknightsofneeee, dyachei, Vanta Black, nebjiamn)
Wisdom 4 (Gemma, Ladd, EnderWiggin, Jan)
Maple 2 (insomnia, Wisdom)
nebjiamn 1 (Sunbae)

10 years for corrections

ladd was killed.

They were:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The Star

https://i.imgur.com/zYvHzp8.jpeg

They were village!

24 hours for night., Night orders due 7pm, so 22 hours for night orders.




Obviously do NOT post at night, thanks.

N3 Results:

Jan was killed.

They were:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The Empress

https://i.imgur.com/Cd03GbZ.jpeg

They were village!

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nebjiamn was killed.

They were:

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The High Priestess

https://i.imgur.com/tuE1ooW.jpeg

They were mafia!

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48 hours for day.




Don't post till 9pm EDT.

so i might have lied.

benneh is my pelt

I lived bitch

vote: Dolby

Jan decided to spare my life. We discussed overnight and more or less came to the conclusion that ben/dolby+2 is the team, with a rough PoE of knights/vanta/mont/wisdom.

He recieved a medic heal which we used on Dya. Looks like it may have saved, too.

Our v list is dya/sunbae/gemma/grr/insom, in descending order.

Ender probably should have full claimed yesterday, but it is waht it is.

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Originally Posted by Maple

I lived bitch

vote: Dolby

Jan decided to spare my life. We discussed overnight and more or less came to the conclusion that ben/dolby+2 is the team, with a rough PoE of knights/vanta/mont/wisdom.

He recieved a medic heal which we used on Dya. Looks like it may have saved, too.

Our v list is dya/sunbae/gemma/grr/insom, in descending order.

Ender probably should have full claimed yesterday, but it is waht it is.

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i think with how benneh voted last second to save wisdom, it's probably her in there, too

Vote: Wisdom

Imma be real I did no work over night again (sorry gang). At the hour before I was considering snapping back to Wisdom but felt like I should be voting with Dya

I think that Wisdom is still a hit, idk where else I'm going. My initial reaction to this is that I don't think that Ender is with Benneh, but my reads probably suck. I don't think that Vanta Black is with Benneh with that vote movement tbh.

yeah

A big issue with Wisdom is that she's very possibly paired with basically the entire PoE. Currently leaning vanta being v in those 4. Knights and mont its very close, could go either way. Knights has been pretty wolf-sidey all game, while mont is just posting some actually insane shit.

Benneh was basically outed for that eod lol

i was pissed when i saw ladd went over

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Originally Posted by Maple

A big issue with Wisdom is that she's very possibly paired with basically the entire PoE. Currently leaning vanta being v in those 4. Knights and mont its very close, could go either way. Knights has been pretty wolf-sidey all game, while mont is just posting some actually insane shit.

Benneh was basically outed for that eod lol

i was pissed when i saw ladd went over

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that's why i shot there. but it truly doesnt matter if I die tonight or not. I am actually out now

I assume Jan bamboozled the Mafia and hero-shot. Neb was pure sweet-spot for me in the list, alongside Vanta. Neb and Vanta voted ladd at the very end, with one minute to spare, after not doing much voting (neb voted Maple at SOD, Vanta voted Maple midday, quickly switched to Wisdom). But this is such a weird and unnecessary association that I rather believe Vanta should be unpaired.

Note: Points to everyone who challenged neb on breezily assuring us town was winning the game yesterday. Including Vanta.

Note: Find everyone who sussed neb yesterday!!!!

People are going to want to parse neb's main reads yesterday...
(For reference, D2 neb voted Ender, Rask, Maple, Rask.)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053859172

Yes, I was wrong about ladd, well, he's no Maple...

I would be willing to vote Dolby just for the shell game he played with ladd-Wisdom-Maple all day yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Maple

A big issue with Wisdom is that she's very possibly paired with basically the entire PoE. Currently leaning vanta being v in those 4. Knights and mont its very close, could go either way. Knights has been pretty wolf-sidey all game, while mont is just posting some actually insane shit.

Benneh was basically outed for that eod lol

i was pissed when i saw ladd went over

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It was a beautiful world, OK? But tell me, are Wisdom and Ender scum because of neb's voting pattern? (See my other post)

The best reason to vote Wisdom IME is to clear Gemma.