Tarot Mafia

[Dolby]

Three posts yet

Going to take a moment to say that I don't agree with grr that ladd and gemma are pairred but I can see how you think that way from Gemma's d3. I still need to re-ev gemma but she is probs town. Gemma you talked a bit about ladd and had some as bottom sus and I know why you moved him up, he had a good post iyo, but it feels like at some points today despite him being your top scumread you dont want to be there and are searching for reasons to get off of him

I'm still at ladd/wisdom/maple

@Jan I know you're saying you are going to execute Maple but please do not be swayed unless you receive something that confirms Maple's alignment to you

Sunbae's isolated Benneh vote is interesting on it's own and I want him to talk about it tomorrow

grr remains towny 2862 is towny

knights is fine. I'm at maple is a wolf bc I didn't like their posting, how Syn had them as top town, and later I didn't like their claim and felt like they weren't acting how a town that presumes they are being yeeted today and nothing can stop it SHOULD be acting. Like up until recently when they put out "ender's claim is, ben, dolby, sunbae]" I didn't even feel like I was getting that for solving and that is still unconvincing

fwiw I think that ladd's stuff on d2 with wisdom would be mildly unpairring if he went anywhere with it before today. i, again, feel like he is going there bc the gamestate is forcing him to and I agree with what grr is saying on maple being likely a more powerful wolf

Knights I think that the inverter is town from who they have targetted and tbh given inverter has if anything buffed people I kinda think that makes wisdom a more likely wolf? like, a reward for being inverter targetted.

Vanta is disconnected this EOD and I think that's towny

I have three posts left. I'm saving two of them for the last 10 minutes

[theknightsofneeee]

iso'd vanta because i've had a complacent villa lean on them from day 1.

was hoping i'd come away with a wolf read because I'm starting to run low on people I want to push after ladd/jan

unfortunately still villa read this slot

his early jan villa read that he gave for jan talking about tarot cards felt super pure then, and still pure now.

I am quoting this because it kind of illustrates a problem I have, and also the seal illustrates me.

I am a very low-level player and I read this three times and still don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you mean by BM, I don't know why reading MU to see if this game would be bastard would uh, tell you that, I guess I do know that Manti is Maple but "burnt inverse" etc. means nothing to me, it's just beyond me.

A lot of you guys' posts I have to read three times before I can make any sense out of them, and even when I do I lose the thread almost immediately. Sorry for dragging the general intelligence of the thread down.

I mean, I guess I thought I might improve my game by playing with elite players, but I am so far behind.

Anyway, in a couple of words, is this suspicion on Maple or not? Because I have town lean on Maple left over from yesterday. That's... basically what I got from "being targeted by maf for cred."

think this frustration could be incorrectly villa read, but i think vanta could easily feel this as either alignment so want to make it clear if people are villa reading posts like this I think that read is pretty bad.

Thank you, would you like to be my translater for the rest of the game (or as long as I last anyhow)?

Maple's response to it also helped clear things up.

@didistetter I had a whole reads list, which was very heavily weighted on players I know/have played with being town, so I recalibrated. As of right now, and these are not so much reads as impressions:

Arctic--leaning town, mainly because he wrote a post that i think if he was a wolf he would have edited it
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
ColonelLubriderm--I know I was kinda down on him yesterday because his posts seemed forced but I think Syn spewed him clear at some point. town lean.
Didistetter--Seems to be very aggressive player. Widely townread, but I'm a bit contrarian so not yet.
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
dyachei--hard for me to read, I kinda vibed with "I'll get wolfread" though
EnderWiggen--I'm looking back at votes on him, I kind of had the same impression I had yesterday of Col. Lube, posts a little forced. But this is someone I have played with before and I've got to temper my urge to think he's wolfy because I've done that when he was town
Gemma--oh man. She's entertaining. I did like her vote on Syn, and she posted a good read list today. I never did figure out how she reversed her read on syn yesterday but for that I wouldn't vote her (but if I had a dayvig...)
grr--seems kind of contrarian, and I kinda like that. Probably not a good reason but I have TRed for less.
jan--my strongest town atm, even though he didn't give me a card
insomnia--no real opinion, sorry
ladd--did he post a cat picture? I think that was somebody else. Null atm
Maple--I really liked Maple's posts yesterday. I haven't really changed my opinion
Montmorency--no idea
nebjiamn Benneh--getting a cat? Cannot decide whether wolfy or towny for the cat thing
Sunbae--is not standing out in my memory, will reread
Raskolnikov--he is a very good wolf, also very good town. It would be hard for me to vote him today despite some pings--a lilttle defensive about defending Syn yesterday.
theknightsofneee--aside from the annoying username, which I'm probably typing wrong, SL on this one, can't really say why
Wisdom--I'm trying to get over the fact that in the last game here I sort of tunneled her and then she turned out to be town. I know she is a really good player as either alignment. Wouldn't vote today. Would like to know what folks think who have played more with her.

You have posted a vote count every now and then--where are you getting them? I kinda suspect you are just keeping track. What I've got right now in terms of votes:

EnderWiggen 3: Dolby, ColonelLubridern, didistetter
Gemma 1: Wisdom
Maple 1: ladd
nebgiamn 1: Gemma
Raskolnikov 1: EnderWiggen
Sunbae 1: grr

Not voting: Arctic, dyachei, Maple, Montmorency, nebgiamn, Sunbae, Theknightsofneee, Vanta Black

I feel like there ought to be more votes. I tend not to vote a lot when the game host is keeping track manually, or probably in general now that I think of it. Right now my vote would be on Montmorency because according to my notes hardly anybody has said anything about him.

*caveat I am intentionally not gonna over villa read wall posts*

i think the way that vanta focuses on people that he has played with before feels level 1 villagery in a good way,

@Raskolnikov, I am not claiming to be a noob (even though compared to a lot of the players here, I kinda am) but I will admit to being overwhelmed. Just a bit. I think it is mean that you did not offer me a virtual mojito with that post. I coulda used it.

I don't understand all this D2 claiming tbh. I don' trust any of 'em now.

I really liked this post.

I think this is what an overwhelmed villager's first instinct would be, especially with several confusing mechanics/claims compounding.



My biggest reservation is that his pushes so far today (maple/wisdom) seem a bit unsubstantiated/concensus'y, and i don't feel much scumhunting from this slot. But by their own admission they're not the strongest villager so i'm not as concerned as I maybe should be.

[theknightsofneeee]

I am quoting this because it kind of illustrates a problem I have, and also the seal illustrates me.

I am a very low-level player and I read this three times and still don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you mean by BM, I don't know why reading MU to see if this game would be bastard would uh, tell you that, I guess I do know that Manti is Maple but "burnt inverse" etc. means nothing to me, it's just beyond me.

A lot of you guys' posts I have to read three times before I can make any sense out of them, and even when I do I lose the thread almost immediately. Sorry for dragging the general intelligence of the thread down.

I mean, I guess I thought I might improve my game by playing with elite players, but I am so far behind.

Anyway, in a couple of words, is this suspicion on Maple or not? Because I have town lean on Maple left over from yesterday. That's... basically what I got from "being targeted by maf for cred."

Thank you, would you like to be my translater for the rest of the game (or as long as I last anyhow)?

Maple's response to it also helped clear things up.

@didistetter I had a whole reads list, which was very heavily weighted on players I know/have played with being town, so I recalibrated. As of right now, and these are not so much reads as impressions:

Arctic--leaning town, mainly because he wrote a post that i think if he was a wolf he would have edited it
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
ColonelLubriderm--I know I was kinda down on him yesterday because his posts seemed forced but I think Syn spewed him clear at some point. town lean.
Didistetter--Seems to be very aggressive player. Widely townread, but I'm a bit contrarian so not yet.
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
dyachei--hard for me to read, I kinda vibed with "I'll get wolfread" though
EnderWiggen--I'm looking back at votes on him, I kind of had the same impression I had yesterday of Col. Lube, posts a little forced. But this is someone I have played with before and I've got to temper my urge to think he's wolfy because I've done that when he was town
Gemma--oh man. She's entertaining. I did like her vote on Syn, and she posted a good read list today. I never did figure out how she reversed her read on syn yesterday but for that I wouldn't vote her (but if I had a dayvig...)
grr--seems kind of contrarian, and I kinda like that. Probably not a good reason but I have TRed for less.
jan--my strongest town atm, even though he didn't give me a card
insomnia--no real opinion, sorry
ladd--did he post a cat picture? I think that was somebody else. Null atm
Maple--I really liked Maple's posts yesterday. I haven't really changed my opinion
Montmorency--no idea
nebjiamn Benneh--getting a cat? Cannot decide whether wolfy or towny for the cat thing
Sunbae--is not standing out in my memory, will reread
Raskolnikov--he is a very good wolf, also very good town. It would be hard for me to vote him today despite some pings--a lilttle defensive about defending Syn yesterday.
theknightsofneee--aside from the annoying username, which I'm probably typing wrong, SL on this one, can't really say why
Wisdom--I'm trying to get over the fact that in the last game here I sort of tunneled her and then she turned out to be town. I know she is a really good player as either alignment. Wouldn't vote today. Would like to know what folks think who have played more with her.

You have posted a vote count every now and then--where are you getting them? I kinda suspect you are just keeping track. What I've got right now in terms of votes:

EnderWiggen 3: Dolby, ColonelLubridern, didistetter
Gemma 1: Wisdom
Maple 1: ladd
nebgiamn 1: Gemma
Raskolnikov 1: EnderWiggen
Sunbae 1: grr

Not voting: Arctic, dyachei, Maple, Montmorency, nebgiamn, Sunbae, Theknightsofneee, Vanta Black

I feel like there ought to be more votes. I tend not to vote a lot when the game host is keeping track manually, or probably in general now that I think of it. Right now my vote would be on Montmorency because according to my notes hardly anybody has said anything about him.

@Raskolnikov, I am not claiming to be a noob (even though compared to a lot of the players here, I kinda am) but I will admit to being overwhelmed. Just a bit. I think it is mean that you did not offer me a virtual mojito with that post. I coulda used it.

I don't understand all this D2 claiming tbh. I don' trust any of 'em now.

Sorry!

nah its fine just funny/annoying if you're village

but such is life :cheers:

[theknightsofneeee]

why do my multiquoted posts keep staying around after i make a post with them zzzzzzzz

pls help

[nebjiamn]

you're better at reading haru than i am but like...I really like his tone here. yeah i know we should be past tone reads but like, he's just so pure imo

ladd over wisdom because ladd is like half-assedly pushing things and it doesnt feel like there's conviction

Do you think they’re w/w and he’s grabbing cred or do you think wisdom has more v equity than him?

agree on Haru but tones his best quality. I was hoping to solidify my read on him but we kinda didn’t get a chance to engage much. I still lean v but ya

[theknightsofneeee]

last thoughts:

i think if wisdom/maple are w/w, wisdom has the more useful power tonight. maple would def be able to post better here as a wolf to swing the lunch if need be

I find really hard to believe wisdom v and maple w worlds cause i really dont get what manti is doing here in this scenario

v/v we are probably fucked

21

i want to burn this post with fire

[Gemma]

why do my multiquoted posts keep staying around after i make a post with them zzzzzzzz

pls help

skill issue tbh

[nebjiamn]

ladds read in knights is real bad imo and feels like widening the POE, esp since im who he’s pairing knights with

idk if i have the balls to do it and be wrong tho cause then im eating a vig shot in the face (or a launch)

[dyachei]

Do you think they’re w/w and he’s grabbing cred or do you think wisdom has more v equity than him?

agree on Haru but tones his best quality. I was hoping to solidify my read on him but we kinda didn’t get a chance to engage much. I still lean v but ya

I think ladd is much wolfier and Idk that he's grabbing cred vs pushing someone easier to be miskilled

[nebjiamn]

“nebjiamn Benneh--getting a cat? Cannot decide whether wolfy or towny for the cat thing”


lmao

[Gemma]

i want to burn this post with fire

thats a p bad post LOL

[theknightsofneeee]

Sorry about today's overall absence. Getting back from vacation both nuked more focus and stole more time than I expected.

Getting misyeeted here is the norm but I've been even more disconnected than usually this game, that's on me. I do think both Maple and Gemma are wolves but maybe I've been too stubborn on Gemma since I know her flipping wolf is the easiest way to town clear me.

Here’s my legacy, in case I die.

Town (0 wolves)
Dya

Town lean (0-1 wolves)
Jan
Dolby
Grr
Insomnia

No idea (0-2 wolves)
Benneh
Ender
Sunbae
Knights
Monte

Wolf lean (0-2 wolves)
Vanta
Ladd

Wolf lean (1-2 wolves)
Gemma
Maple

Stay hyped and hydrated, good night <3

/stare/

[theknightsofneeee]

speaking of 0-2 wolves in vanta

its probably pretty important that people commit to *some* kind of read on that slot today just so there's some accountability with the inevitable swaps to that player if theyre alive in a couple days

which they will be

very villagery from manti because i had the exact same thought (which is why i just iso'd vanta)

[theknightsofneeee]

Vote: Wisdom

I will jail Maple and you can assume I will execute.

We will have a night talk of course but this is where I stand right now and big things need to happen for that to change. (actual hard confirmation that the village can comprehend even if I die).

I think both this vote and this night action are very wolfy

but lets hope i'm wrong and jan's villa

[Dolby]

i am kinda concerned that i may be wrong on Wisdom and it may be just Ladd/Maple. Wisdom is still a bottom three read for me and I think Wisdom can still be pairred with Ladd easy but like, Ladd calling out Wisdoms for good reasons on day two (that Wisdom just dropped a townread on Vanta to a scumread really abruptly) did feel good, but he never went anywhere with it until the middle of day three. Kinda just feels like cheap distancing in that context

Don't let anyone tell you that ladd and maple aren't teammed, I really just think they are off of interactions and ladd voting there without doing anything to inpact a Maple yeet outside that vote.

I feel that Wisdom using Gemma to say that Maple/Ladd were not w/w and Gemma was wolf was super bad and fits with wisdom/maple/ladd all being wolves

I think that ladd is only making the push on Wisdom today because of the threadstate. I think that he's only pushing wisdom today because of the threadstate. I think that if he cares about the dropped vanta read he would have done something with it on day two instead of just leaving them middle of the pack and saying (admitidly only semi prompted) that he's considering if wisdom could be a wolf and then coming up with reasons to v read wisdom. I also like, just don't feel any conviction in reads on Benneh and sunbae which is a bad sign when I feel like he's on Wisdom for gamestate only reads already

grr has had really villagery today. I don't agree with it but I feel ladd and gemma pairred was a towny thought informed by looking at what gemma has been doing on d3 only.

knights, maybe I should re-ev him but I really was feeling like his d1 posts are coming from town and I feel that the circumstances of eod1 led themselves to him being a villager, and syn probablybeing the only wolf wagon

gemma, eh I think Gemma is fine

Dolby
Dya

grr
Insomnia
Knights

Vanta Black
Monty - if bad is more likely a 3p than a mafia

EnderWiggin - yep Ender is this high! I feel like i kinda tunneled on Ender but he had a lot of villager energy today and I feel like some of his posting doesn't look as bad as I was acribing it in retrospect
Gemma - need to re-ev

Benneh - need to re-ev
Sunbae - need to re-ev

Wisdom
Ladd
Maple - please kill with fire jan

I have two posts left, this is my legacy. I am saving those two posts for vote changes if neccessary

[Vanta Black]

“nebjiamn Benneh--getting a cat? Cannot decide whether wolfy or towny for the cat thing”


lmao

NAI in the end. Good luck, once you have decided you need a cat, a cat will appear, somehow.

Also @insomnia congrats on the job.

[nebjiamn]

would Ladd be more upset at me for misvoting him here if he’s town or me breaking the spaghetti noodles I just put in the water for dinner

[Gemma]

im fine with ladd dying im personally just not voting there rn bc im in wolfchat with him

[theknightsofneeee]

went back to find that wisdom/syn interaction that i liked day 2

it was this first one (where wisdom talked about giving rask a villa read) but awkwardly reading it with the rask flip makes it kinda feel like TMI from wisdom

so i came away with the opposite read lmfao

below is all syn --> wisdom interactions

?????????

take that back rn

town:
newcomb
maple
dyachei
gemma

idk fine i guess:
nebjiamn
didistetter
sunbae
grr
insomnia
c0balt

i can't recall a single post/no opinion:
arctic
vanta black
theknightsofneeee

why (diet version):
enderwiggin
colonellubriderm

why:
raskolnikov
wisdom
jan
sheepsaysmeep



are hally and montmorency actually playing this game or are they in the player list for the lulz

looks at my poe

looks at this post

looks at my poe

looks at this post

surely it cannot be

notable is ladd left off the reads list and then put in 'fine i guess' after and having this interaction with syn

wtf man

which still feels pretty partner'y to me

[Gemma]

would Ladd be more upset at me for misvoting him here if he’s town or me breaking the spaghetti noodles I just put in the water for dinner

no boss

you cant be putting your hands in boiling water like that

and if ur implying that u put the noodles in cold water idek what to say to u rn

[theknightsofneeee]

after iso'ing wisdom i honestly don't see him as super wolfy

like its def not blowing me away with villageriness or anything, but yeah i'm not super feeling it

[theknightsofneeee]

this might be a stupid read but I think wolf!wisdom wouldn't have me as essentially null most of the game when i was one of the only people even vaguely defending him the last couple of days, and I voted on a wolf EOD1

i think he would have enough self pres instinct to at least fake that read lol

[theknightsofneeee]

and I think the POV of wisdom pushing his gemma wolf read in an effort to potentially clear himself, even tho realistically his read on gemma shouldn't be that strong, is something I've done as a villager who is wolf read and felt that he was likely to get miselimed

[Montmorency]

Like I said, I think Town has lost the initiative. I would truly have my mind blown were the trio collectively to be pure, but if any of them were town, I suspect maf will drive the lim onto them.

Why break spaghetti, it softens in just seconds. Dump it all in, wait 10 seconds (add the salt now), stir. This may or may not be a metaphor.

[theknightsofneeee]

im fine with ladd dying im personally just not voting there rn bc im in wolfchat with him

but imagine if we both hammered a wolf in 2 separate EOD's

think of the GLORY

[nebjiamn]

after iso'ing wisdom i honestly don't see him as super wolfy

like its def not blowing me away with villageriness or anything, but yeah i'm not super feeling it

wisdom goes by she or they fam

(idk if they really care or not but that's what their MU acct says)

[grr]

I’ve had the thought but it was offset by me initially thinking they were likely w/w and manti was a better role

I’m not spewing every thot into the game thread right away at every chance given both the cap and general thread health reasons

To your last point I think there’s an interpretation translation issue because I’m not saying wisdoms posts were good. Just that manti wasn’t really teying much to wiggle out of the elim. If they are w/w and manti had the better power I’d expect he post better and wisdom would have somewhat conceded to dying earlier since they were really the only 2 wagons in consideration for most of today

dont think he's posting bad no idea why it was framed like he was posting someone who wants to die over a no-poster (well who later made on single post) (especially, as you can see, ppl think hes town so he isnt posting so bad rofl)

[theknightsofneeee]

wisdom goes by she or they fam

(idk if they really care or not but that's what their MU acct says)

wish pronouns were listed here (or if they are IDK where to look)

but i'll be honest I had no clue on wisdom, and i've been trying to just use they for everyone to avoid dealing with it but sometimes I miss a couple (sorry wisdom <3 )

[Gemma]

but imagine if we both hammered a wolf in 2 separate EOD's

think of the GLORY

ngl swapping to ladd is tempting but it'd be rude to my boi newcomb

on the bright side if wisdom flips v and ladd is a wolf ur posting here will have u positioned to win it all in f3, now thats glory baby

[Visor]

Players Votes

Wisdom 6 (Gemma, Ladd, EnderWiggin, nebjiamn, Jan, Vanta Black)
Ladd 5 (Montmorency, Theknightsofneeee, dyachei, grr, Dolby)
Maple 2 (insomnia, Wisdom)
nebjiamn 1 (Sunbae)




believe this is correct