The Iranian Nuclear Programme

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Originally Posted by Fragony

I never said they are up to something or anything. But I did gave a perfectly fine wiki

Here's it is again http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...ouse_of_Leaves

Edit:i screwed up this is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights..._(Freemasonry)

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I actually went through that page before posting.
The introduction ends with this-

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The Order derives its name from the historical Knights Templar, but does not claim any direct lineal descent from the original Templar order.

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Secondly even if one just goes by the name, the modern day Templars are of the Temple of St John while the medieval order was of the Temple of Solomon. Look at the full names of both orders.
Medieval Templars - Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon
Freemason Templars - The United Religious, Military and Masonic Orders of the Temple and of St John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes and Malta

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Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya

if they would be that simple, their name would not be FREEMASON!! i said, they do anything with secrecy, they WERE order, now they are superpowers!! their order is not like a simple order, in fact it was, but they decided to change the world and end the religions and unificate all humen under one banner, one culture, and one beliefe!!

we see many religions and empires like communism, napoleon and Hitler, wanted to unite humanity under their own beliefs & culture, but almost All failed or it was short time and not universal, but its intresting that, earth was rolling normally, until 200years ago that almost humen's life COMPLETELY changed! and this change was a cultural & political change.

we see now all the world is finishing to be one and like each other, people think like each other, dress like each other, cultures are being like each other!! i don think now England has too much difference with for example Japan!! or USA doesnt have difference with France! or Canada! or Mexico with Thailand! and..... i dont say 100% i mean by apparence and culture and common thinking, that was once wiped out and was replaced with a NEW western or better say Masonic Amwrican & British culture for whole the world in past 50 years gradually and slowly!! isnt this The New World Order so its what?!! UFO planing?!!!!

how this huge scale change is spontaneous ??!!

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Cultural change works both ways. The East and the West are both learning things from each other. Off the top of my head Yoga and Shwarma are quite popular in the USA, just like Pizza and Western clothes are popular here. Like Rhyfelwyr pointed out social and cultural change is as natural as evolution. And people happily accepting and assimilating the best aspects of each others cultures is certainly a lot better than the alternative of everyone smashing each others skulls try to establish their supremacy.
If it means that the world will one day end up being a place where all cultures are thoroughly mixed and people of all religions live together, what could be better than that. After all peace and harmony is what every nation is working towards. So even if the Freemasons are a powerful group working behind the scenes to achieve the aforementioned goal, I say we should all help them in their noble cause.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

I never said they are up to something or anything. But I did gave a perfectly fine wiki

Here's it is again http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...ouse_of_Leaves

Edit:i screwed up this is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights..._(Freemasonry)

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Dude, everyone knows about the entire Swedish royal line back to Magog (a grandson of Noah) or that Atlantis was located in Sweden.

Or that some people likes to make stuff up linking it back into historical or "historical" events to make you appear more important. See FYROM for a modern example. For example, celebrating Alexander the great as slavic person because the Romans had another naming policy than the Greeks (making Roman Makedonia larger than Greek Makedonia).

Oh ffs

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Originally Posted by Fragony

I don't know either, but Iraq and Iran are artificial constructions that have nothing to do with demographics. The Kurds have a lot to be pissed off about

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&rl...U4LHRSWZNFM%3A

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If Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya were representative of pro-Kurdistanists, I'm happy that we've pissed them off by creating Iraq.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

If Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya were representative of pro-Kurdistanists, I'm happy that we've pissed them off by creating Iraq.

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I don't really blame them for being a bit angry, they got kinda screwed. Saladin was Kurdish they once had a lot more musscle to spare. Now spread out all over Turkey Iraq and apparently Iran, that one is new to me I never knew Iran has a Kurdish community

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

You are right to identify these major changes.

But I do not believe that they occurred due to some conspiracy. What really caused them is economic and technological developments.

Technology has made the world a smaller place. I can hop on a plane and travel from Scotland to Kurdistan in a matter of hours. Ideas and styles can travel much faster now that they used to. Consider the internet - look at how a Kurd like yourself is able to communicate here with me, a Brit, as well as Americans, Norwegians, Dutchfolk etc. This allows for the exchange of ideas - hence why a Kurd like yourself would become an atheist rather than staying Muslim. And there's plenty of media besides the internet. Even though I am Scottish, I speak only English. Why? Because for hundreds of years literature was printed in English, and now when we watch TV we hear it in English. How is it that a Kurd like yourself can speak English? I'm guessing you were exposed through international media etc.

And then there's the economic changes. The collapse of the Communist World means we now have an economy that is truly global in its extent. Ideas like fascism, where people valued interventionism and closed borders against the world market have now disappeared. Consumer products made in China clothe Americans, while the Chinese aspire to look American in their dress.

And these technological and economic changes in turn drive social and political changes.

There is no conspiracy - change is natural.

You are right that Kurdistan and its people have been treated very badly by many different countries, but you are wrong in blaming it on a Zionist/Freemason conspiracy.

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indeed dear Rhyfelwyr your right, but even these changes due to economical and techological, was planned by them gradualy and slowly, as if you research, many physicians astrologists chemistryans architectures and.....that shaked the humens world life in 16th-to now, were freemasons, for example DaVinci, if you research about him & freemasonry, you'll see that great man did many for humanity, while he puted many hidden codes & symbols in his paintings that are famous as DaVinci Code!!
you know, HollyWood Too that is themselves, played a significant role in changing cultures, as i example your India, The Loving Movies with showing Beutiful Culture of India, was Replaced By american Dances and Bikini Clothes!! and that was only for India that its Origin Cultures like many, or All, Changed by a new Western(AMERICAN!) Culture!!

you know, i never used the word CONSPIRACY, this is a very short and simple word for what is going on in the world, as they Believe: They Bring Humankind From Darkness To Lightness!!
i dont think horribly about them, they are almost vanishing religions that have harm for humanity, they are making everywhere modern that the world be like one,............
it needs Refrence that i should direct you to them, but unfortuantely i am in Iranian Internet!!
but you can search more in internet, specially YouTube.

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Originally Posted by rajpoot

Cultural change works both ways. The East and the West are both learning things from each other. Off the top of my head Yoga and Shwarma are quite popular in the USA, just like Pizza and Western clothes are popular here. Like Rhyfelwyr pointed out social and cultural change is as natural as evolution. And people happily accepting and assimilating the best aspects of each others cultures is certainly a lot better than the alternative of everyone smashing each others skulls try to establish their supremacy.
If it means that the world will one day end up being a place where all cultures are thoroughly mixed and people of all religions live together, what could be better than that. After all peace and harmony is what every nation is working towards. So even if the Freemasons are a powerful group working behind the scenes to achieve the aforementioned goal, I say we should all help them in their noble cause.

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and i didnt say they are BAD because they have done this !! i just want to prove that they exist strongly and changed the world! i never hated them or hate because they changed the world!! i only hate their Imperialistical Benefits, that will do anything to achieve it at all cost, even sheding blood or slavering them or Colonize Them !!

sorry for my bad englsih !!!!!

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

If Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya were representative of pro-Kurdistanists, I'm happy that we've pissed them off by creating Iraq.

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Kurds Have Nothing with my Informations about .....! But Dictators like you are many that wan to suppress and offence !! that say doesnt make me angry!



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pleaseeeeeeeeeee Saladin does not represent kurds! he was Muslim and nothing more! i dont peoud of him!!

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Originally Posted by Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya

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pleaseeeeeeeeeee Saladin does not represent kurds! he was Muslim and nothing more! i dont peoud of him!!

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:inquisitive: Now you got me curious. He's probably one of the most famous kurds and had extremely good reputation for his time. Sure, he lived way before nationalism started to matter in any significant extent when it comes to statebuilding, but rejecting him as a kurd?

Ok, what are the values and systems to support it of a proposed modern Kurdistan?

Might want to start another thread for that. I hope it involves more then bigger is better...

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Originally Posted by Ironside

:inquisitive: Now you got me curious. He's probably one of the most famous kurds and had extremely good reputation for his time. Sure, he lived way before nationalism started to matter in any significant extent when it comes to statebuilding, but rejecting him as a kurd?

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no i dont reject him as a Kurd!! i only said that he did not fought for Kurds, he even did not gave an autonomous region to Kurds while in Ottomon era we had more than 3 autonomous states at least in 1522-1600 !!
i said he more represent Arabic Islam than Kurdish, and Arabs & Muslims must be proud of him, there is no proud for him to be a Kurd !!

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Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube

I've always been of the opinion that Northern Iraq would be better off under the Kurds than anybody else. That's a part of the world where autonomy is pretty feasible, given the weak and corrupt state of the Iraqi government. Dunno about the rest of all that stuff, though.

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yes. while arabs & turks & persians calls us terorists, this hows that in whole over iraq, there is but one region in peace and saftey, and this hows the kurds peacefulness, as what i hope happen too in Kurdistan of Turkey and syria. (less hope for Kurdistan of Iran!!)