The Iranian Nuclear Programme

[HoreTore]

your eyes are completely right !!!! just i think he is a Racist Turk or a friend of a Racist Turk and influenced by Racist Turk!! or just an arrant rambler crossing the ORG !!

....And you don't see the obvious racism in "hating zionism"(ie jews)....?

[Empire*Of*Media]

....And you don't see the obvious racism in "hating zionism"(ie jews)....?

no have more than 2 million Kurdish Jews In Israel and Iran, why i should hate jews ?!! Zionists are not like simple jews !! Jewish = a Religions , Zionism = A Racist Party that have unlimited resources of economies of the world and do whatever they like and no one criticize them because they are hidden and with secrecy. and the Master of United States Policy !!
dont make your insults and hatred Legalized !! say ok ! Excuse me i was misunderstood !!

[HoreTore]

no have more than 2 million Kurdish Jews In Israel and Iran, why i should hate jews ?!! Zionists are not like simple jews !! Jewish = a Religions , Zionism = A Racist Party that have unlimited resources of economies of the world and do whatever they like and no one criticize them because they are hidden and with secrecy. and the Master of United States Policy !!
dont make your insults and hatred Legalized !! say ok ! Excuse me i was misunderstood !!

Racist paranoia confirmed.

There is no New World Order with its One World Government, there is no Zionist conspiracy secretly running the world.

Sorry.

[Empire*Of*Media]

Racist paranoia confirmed.

There is no New World Order with its One World Government, there is no Zionist conspiracy secretly running the world.

Sorry.

by your say it will not change anything ! they are doing their work for New World order !! it can be seen in world now with a little wise !!

oh !! you see !! your eyes shut your ears shut your mind controlled !! of course you only want to attack then legalize yourself that others join you !! you failed !!! hahaha !!
now your worthless to discuss !! i want to discuss with a grown and wise man even if he doesnt accept my beliefs !!
now all knows you just want to Impose your false thoughts and insult whoever doesnt like !!

End of Discussion with non itself (Controlled & think its his thoughts) and Fools.

[HoreTore]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAA

[Husar]

my respected and reasonable post

Are you trolling? The ratio of exclamation marks to letters in every single one of your posts is way above the international standard for reasonable posts.

i want to discuss with a grown and wise man

So do all the people who ignore your posts.

[Ser Clegane]

What?

Why?

When?

[Greyblades]

Wow, 30+ posts of worthless posts. I want the 30 seconds of skimming them back.

[Sarmatian]

If only Tribesman was here - I'd say about 150-200 smileys from this thread alone.

[Empire*Of*Media]

Are you trolling? The ratio of exclamation marks to letters in every single one of your posts is way above the international standard for reasonable posts.



So do all the people who ignore your posts.

dear Husar i think you too misunderstand me, ok i will never have this kind of discussions, not because im wrong, because these things that i say demand a very longer & splited discussions! my wrong is that im bringing a summary for what i tell, and not many understands, so i want peace with you here a gift for you!!! oh exxuse me i thought im in total war!!
anyway i want you accept my apologies and accept my frienship and peace, from now on i will change the way to discuss the people in here.

[Kadagar_AV]

Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya, sounds like you have a lot of frustration on your mind. Why don't you start a thread, say, about the Kurdish freedom movement? Please don't make it a wall of text though, but open up for debate and questions about it :)

[Empire*Of*Media]

Empire Of Kurdistan-Medya, sounds like you have a lot of frustration on your mind. Why don't you start a thread, say, about the Kurdish freedom movement? Please don't make it a wall of text though, but open up for debate and questions about it :)

dear kadgar, ihave never thought about it !! but you know, this debate was not because of Kurdistan, the matter was Zionism & Freemasons, at all all Imperialists that changed/changes the world and control it.
and i dont know if i start THREAD, how many of these people that misunderstood me, will offense me blindly or ignore the thread!! because the genocide and division & Splitions of Kurdistan's, was/is directly connected with imperialistic administration of the world.
so i dont know what to do in this world !! i just think ...........ah never mind! it needs an confabulate discuss that requires natural & Wise people !!

[a completely inoffensive name]

dear kadgar, ihave never thought about it !! but you know, this debate was not because of Kurdistan, the matter was Zionism & Freemasons, at all all Imperialists that changed/changes the world and control it.
and i dont know if i start THREAD, how many of these people that misunderstood me, will offense me blindly or ignore the thread!! because the genocide and division & Splitions of Kurdistan's, was/is directly connected with imperialistic administration of the world.
so i dont know what to do in this world !! i just think ...........ah never mind! it needs an confabulate discuss that requires natural & Wise people !!

I never understood what was so bad about the freemasons. I always loved their architecture. Much better than that "Brutalist" garbage that somehow serves to turn every opportunity at beauty into a soul crushing experience.

So tell me Kurdistan. What have the freemasons ever done to you?

[Fragony]

I never understood what was so bad about the freemasons. I always loved their architecture. Much better than that "Brutalist" garbage that somehow serves to turn every opportunity at beauty into a soul crushing experience.

So tell me Kurdistan. What have the freemasons ever done to you?

I don't know either, but Iraq and Iran are artificial constructions that have nothing to do with demographics. The Kurds have a lot to be pissed off about

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&rl...U4LHRSWZNFM%3A

[a completely inoffensive name]

I don't know either, but Iraq and Iran are artificial constructions that have nothing to do with demographics. The Kurds have a lot to be pissed off about

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&rl...U4LHRSWZNFM%3A

Well sure, but why pick on the poor freemasons?

[Fragony]

Well sure, but why pick on the poor freemasons?

I have absolutely no idea, but much like the Bilderberg group they don't want all too much attention that much is sure

[Empire*Of*Media]

I never understood what was so bad about the freemasons. I always loved their architecture. Much better than that "Brutalist" garbage that somehow serves to turn every opportunity at beauty into a soul crushing experience.

So tell me Kurdistan. What have the freemasons ever done to you?

i actually didnt hate Freemasons, as they are very talented & Wise persons, its not known but i have many proofs that Britain was influenced then caught by FreeMasons in 17th-18th Century and the USA was Founded & Powered it by them!! Freemason's past backs to Crusades as KNIGHT TEMPLARS! it needs too much discussion i will shorten it and make it summary! They were masons of architecture until 17th century, but because of 450 years tortured and excommunicated by the Church, and then they swore to change the world and but, and you may know they were taught KABALA an ancient dark magic by the jews, and they were expert at alchemy too!! but one of their beliefs is Imperialistic! they splited & Divided Kurdistan to 4 criminal Dictator & Racist Governments, despite they promised in the treaty of Sevres in 1920-1923, if not an independent nations, but at least an autonomous governments !! they even breaked that Treaty & promise and betrayed and sold out 30 million people in that time (now 55 million)!! because they saw more benefit & profit by not letting Kurdistan be Free & Independent!! the kurds uprised against britain but winston churchil the devil, told the royal army & airborne to bombard the poor Kurds that had the least technologie of weapons !! and .................and, they aided significantly to SADDAM HUSSAIN to Kill & Chemical & genocide the Poor Kurdish People (Specially Saddam destroyed 2600 Villages Completely and chemicaled bombed 380.000 unfortunate civilian people!!), and their aid to Ataturk to Expel & & genocide & mass killings of Kurds! and too much betrayals by USA & Britain! (Requries too much time to express)

i said only for Kurdistan not for example Imperialistic Activites and interferences of Germany & Africans & Middle&South Americans & Indochina & .......!

and plus that your Religious, their new world order is to wipe out all religions on earth and all must accept THEIR New World Order !!
and many many things wants time and long discuss in other thread !

[Fragony]

Freemasons actually are the Templar order. Our new friend isn't that far off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights..._(Freemasonry)

[Conradus]

Freemasons actually are the Temple order. Our new friend isn't that far off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights..._(Freemasonry)

The Order derives its name from the historical Knights Templar, but does not claim any direct lineal descent from the original Templar order.

[Fragony]

The Order derives its name from the historical Knights Templar, but does not claim any direct lineal descent from the original Templar order.

So they claim, that's awesome. Is there a confusion overload happening here it is the same organisation, the freemasons are the temple order. Read books, libraries have them

[Empire*Of*Media]

So they claim, that's awesome. Is there a confusion overload happening here it is the same organisation, the freemasons are the temple order. Read books, libraries have them

if you Wikipedia it, still many wil be unknown, because those writing about it in wikipedia its been released by themselves!! as you may know, they love secrecy and secrecy is what made them change the world and no one knew & knows!!
they are truly complicated and confusing & problematic, thats why many in here called me Paranoia !!! because its just Unbelievable !!

hey, have you played Assassin's Creed Series ?!!! i thought first, its an anti-Masonic(or Temlaric) Game, but then it shows the favors of Masonic symbols and ways!! but its strange that Assassins are fighting against templars, the origins and fathers of modern FreeMasons !!
and we should not think Assassin's Creed only as a simple game as it connected to the end of the world as it said, i think it shows secretly how the NEW WORLD ORDER will be !??!!

but i have no doubt in at least 50 years later when the transfering the power from USA to Israel (as what happend, Great Britains's Superpowerity transfered to USA!!) is done, and then The New World Order Will Be Finished, so there's is no END OF THE WORLD!! its just deception.

[Rhyfelwyr]

In 1751 Baron Karl Gotthelf von Hund und Altengrotkau began the Order of Strict Observance, which ritual he claimed to have received from the reconstituted Templar Order in 1743 in Paris. He also claimed to have met two of the "unknown superiors" who directed all of masonry, one of whom was Prince Charles Edward Stuart. [3][4]

You learn something new every day, I never would have thought that Bonnie Prince Charlie was a top dog in the freemasons.

Didn't do him much good at Culloden though.

In fact, I can see it all coming together. The Knights Templar are said to have won the Battle of Bannockburn for the Scots back in 1314, they made Scotland their home after their exile.

So if the Scots Prince Bonnie Prince Charlie is one of the top guys in the Freemasons a few hundred years later, this fits perfectly!

I think our Kurdish friend is right!

[Empire*Of*Media]

You learn something new every day, I never would have thought that Bonnie Prince Charlie was a top dog in the freemasons.

Didn't do him much good at Culloden though.

In fact, I can see it all coming together. The Knights Templar are said to have won the Battle of Bannockburn for the Scots back in 1314, they made Scotland their home after their exile.

So if the Scots Prince Bonnie Prince Charlie is one of the top guys in the Freemasons a few hundred years later, this fits perfectly!

I think our Kurdish friend is right!

who is that man ???!! why you believed after you saw his name as freemasons??! is he important??!
you know dear friends, i know many things, because i spoke with some men visited the Masonic Lodges and i saw many Videos about them in youtube! you know, because of total restrictions & limits i have on internet in here i cant Link you or tell you where to go and see for yourself, and another matter is that , the islamic government that was once came from them, turned away from them in two period of after the hostage crisis of USA embassy in iran, and then after the revolt of 2009. so they started to uncover a little of their secrets for peopl, and thats why i know more than you, im not genius, you too can know, but the matter is this that they have Europe & USA & Canda and......in their hands and wont let anyone to uncover their secrets, and if someone does will make the situation and some lie news so peoples cant believe and dont mention it!! and even if some of them dont go like their way, they will be CLEANED Like Abraham Lincold-John.f.Kennedy-Michael Jackson&....... . and the other is that they made your world like robots world, that no one care about anything and just drown in your own worries and even pleasures of life (MATERIALISM) for example THE AMERICAN DREAM !! and dont let you to search and know more! specially their Very Strong propaganda, physical propaganda and mind propagandas like HOLLYWOOD to again split you from the worlds problems and to show THEY ARE THE SAVIORS of HUMANITY when they show Uniteds States or Israelic Flags & Symbols and ........
told you!!! it needs too much discuss!

but another thing i can tell you is to search youtube : ARRIVAL
i know it is islamic, but SOME of the truths in those videos was incovered by western professors and researchers! not by muslim men!! this muslim only edited this leaks & Uncovers and when finished it, it edited it in Islamic Style, so dont care about its religious and islamic words & subtitles just pay attention to the things they have done/are doing !!

[Husar]

dear Husar i think you too misunderstand me, ok i will never have this kind of discussions, not because im wrong, because these things that i say demand a very longer & splited discussions! my wrong is that im bringing a summary for what i tell, and not many understands, so i want peace with you here a gift for you!!! oh exxuse me i thought im in total war!!
anyway i want you accept my apologies and accept my frienship and peace, from now on i will change the way to discuss the people in here.

It's all fine, I was trying to help you and show you that your style doesn't get you very far here. It already looks better in that post.

[Conradus]

So they claim, that's awesome. Is there a confusion overload happening here it is the same organisation, the freemasons are the temple order. Read books, libraries have them

Yeah, written by Dan Brown? It's not because the Free Masons use Templar rituals, that they are in another way connected to them. Espcially since there's a gap of a couple of centuries between the end of the Templars and the rise of Freemasonry.

[Fragony]

Yeah, written by Dan Brown? It's not because the Free Masons use Templar rituals, that they are in another way connected to them. Espcially since there's a gap of a couple of centuries between the end of the Templars and the rise of Freemasonry.

Is there, the Knights Templar were disbanded in France yes. Freemasons = templar order

[rajpoot]

Is there, the Knights Templar were disbanded in France yes. Freemasons = templar order

Why do we need conspiracy theories at all when the truth might be simpler?
After the Templars were disbanded they spread out, as might anyone who's a member of an order that is being hunted. And they sought refuge amongst other similar orders of that time. For instance many members who were in Spain supposedly joined the Order of Santiago. Many others joined the Order of St John. Some might've migrated to Scotland too, and the Freemasons might have some limited relation to the Knights Templar, but to say that the Freemasons are a continuity of the Knights Templar has no solid proof.

Edit:
From Iran's nukes to Freemasons and Templars. Amazing.

[Fragony]

I never said they are up to something or anything. But I did gave a perfectly fine wiki

Here's it is again http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...ouse_of_Leaves

Edit:i screwed up this is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights..._(Freemasonry)

[Empire*Of*Media]

Why do we need conspiracy theories at all when the truth might be simpler?
After the Templars were disbanded they spread out, as might anyone who's a member of an order that is being hunted. And they sought refuge amongst other similar orders of that time. For instance many members who were in Spain supposedly joined the Order of Santiago. Many others joined the Order of St John. Some might've migrated to Scotland too, and the Freemasons might have some limited relation to the Knights Templar, but to say that the Freemasons are a continuity of the Knights Templar has no solid proof.

Edit:
From Iran's nukes to Freemasons and Templars. Amazing.

if they would be that simple, their name would not be FREEMASON!! i said, they do anything with secrecy, they WERE order, now they are superpowers!! their order is not like a simple order, in fact it was, but they decided to change the world and end the religions and unificate all humen under one banner, one culture, and one beliefe!!

we see many religions and empires like communism, napoleon and Hitler, wanted to unite humanity under their own beliefs & culture, but almost All failed or it was short time and not universal, but its intresting that, earth was rolling normally, until 200years ago that almost humen's life COMPLETELY changed! and this change was a cultural & political change.

we see now all the world is finishing to be one and like each other, people think like each other, dress like each other, cultures are being like each other!! i don think now England has too much difference with for example Japan!! or USA doesnt have difference with France! or Canada! or Mexico with Thailand! and..... i dont say 100% i mean by apparence and culture and common thinking, that was once wiped out and was replaced with a NEW western or better say Masonic Amwrican & British culture for whole the world in past 50 years gradually and slowly!! isnt this The New World Order so its what?!! UFO planing?!!!!

how this huge scale change is spontaneous ??!!

[Rhyfelwyr]

we see many religions and empires like communism, napoleon and Hitler, wanted to unite humanity under their own beliefs & culture, but almost All failed or it was short time and not universal, but its intresting that, earth was rolling normally, until 200years ago that almost humen's life COMPLETELY changed! and this change was a cultural & political change.

we see now all the world is finishing to be one and like each other, people think like each other, dress like each other, cultures are being like each other!! i don think now England has too much difference with for example Japan!! or USA doesnt have difference with France! or Canada! or Mexico with Thailand! and..... i dont say 100% i mean by apparence and culture and common thinking, that was once wiped out and was replaced with a NEW western or better say Masonic Amwrican & British culture for whole the world in past 50 years gradually and slowly!! isnt this The New World Order so its what?!! UFO planing?!!!!

how this huge scale change is spontaneous ??!!

You are right to identify these major changes.

But I do not believe that they occurred due to some conspiracy. What really caused them is economic and technological developments.

Technology has made the world a smaller place. I can hop on a plane and travel from Scotland to Kurdistan in a matter of hours. Ideas and styles can travel much faster now that they used to. Consider the internet - look at how a Kurd like yourself is able to communicate here with me, a Brit, as well as Americans, Norwegians, Dutchfolk etc. This allows for the exchange of ideas - hence why a Kurd like yourself would become an atheist rather than staying Muslim. And there's plenty of media besides the internet. Even though I am Scottish, I speak only English. Why? Because for hundreds of years literature was printed in English, and now when we watch TV we hear it in English. How is it that a Kurd like yourself can speak English? I'm guessing you were exposed through international media etc.

And then there's the economic changes. The collapse of the Communist World means we now have an economy that is truly global in its extent. Ideas like fascism, where people valued interventionism and closed borders against the world market have now disappeared. Consumer products made in China clothe Americans, while the Chinese aspire to look American in their dress.

And these technological and economic changes in turn drive social and political changes.

There is no conspiracy - change is natural.

You are right that Kurdistan and its people have been treated very badly by many different countries, but you are wrong in blaming it on a Zionist/Freemason conspiracy.