Nazi references, Part Deux

So is Christianity or Paganism.

The expectation should be that religions bend to state rules and laws, and not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

'Enrichment about Holocaust denial' - that's just perfect. :laugh4:

Fragony is always right about these things:

It's not the Madrassas. Nowadays, teachers often drop teaching about the Holocaust because they don't want to face another classroom intifada. And that's the public/state/secular school system.

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I don't understand these schools just flung them. These kids often are as daft a donkey they will never achieve anything education is wasted on them, they are ruining it for also not too bright but motivated ones. No such problem occur in schools for non-braindead, discussion yeah but no primitive rage.

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Originally Posted by alh_p

Yep, that would IMO constitute holocaust denial and probably incitement to racial hatred too. What laws does EIRE have on these? I'm not sure Germany would/could prosecute as the organisation indeed seems to be based in Dublin (and probably so for that very reason).

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You can say anything you like on it about it as we have no law against it.

They are here as we have a common travel area with UK so they can develop ideas here while they raise and store funds here etc and then proliferate there beliefs around the rest of Europe.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Why would that statement constitute as holocaust denial? He is not denying it, he is praising it.

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"The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them – even though they exaggerated this issue – he managed to put them in their place."

Is that denial or diminution? You may be right - but it's hardly particularly supportive of the accepted version of history.

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

So is Christianity or Paganism.

The expectation should be that religions bend to state rules and laws, and not the other way around.

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Even if they are as comprehensive, the difference with Islam is some of its followers (salafists), who want its current form to be just like it was in Muhammad's life-time. This is when the prophet was at once a religious, political and military leader. This means that those Muslims who pine for such "original" Islam would like to see all three strands of society/power lead by a single inidividual (Montesquieu would roll in his grave). Hence the difficulty of secularism...

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Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

You can say anything you like on it about it as we have no law against it.

They are here as we have a common travel area with UK so they can develop ideas here while they raise and store funds here etc and then proliferate there beliefs around the rest of Europe.

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While you didn't say anything along those lines, I hope this clarifies the double-standard issue a little for others.

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Originally Posted by alh_p

"The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them – even though they exaggerated this issue – he managed to put them in their place."

Is that denial or diminution? You may be right - but it's hardly particularly supportive of the accepted version of history.

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Well, it is exaggerated in context compared to the other groups affected by the holocaust, as in the disabled, socialists, communists, gypies, and the other groups affected by it as well. So in that way, it is. But it is true that the jewish population did face a unique racial problem (other than the disabled, who can't help being disabled) and were just killed willy nilly as scape goats.

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Originally Posted by alh_p

Even if they are as comprehensive, the difference with Islam is some of its followers (salafists), who want its current form to be just like it was in Muhammad's life-time. This is when the prophet was at once a religious, political and military leader. This means that those Muslims who pine for such "original" Islam would like to see all three strands of society/power lead by a single inidividual (Montesquieu would roll in his grave). Hence the difficulty of secularism...

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What any branch of nutters wants is not the issue: The 88 club, nor the KKK, nor any other extremist group be they following God or their own hate should force the state to bend to their wants.

If they don't want to adhere then they are deciding to exlude themselves from society and this should be accepted as their choice, not that the system needs to bend over backwards to accomodate them.

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