Confessions of a mad man...

Mikeus Caesar,

Sorry for responding so late. I have read this thread over and over but never felt 'wise' enough to be of help. Now you feel so bad you're about to really make an end to your life I just need to say some things.

I have two advices for you. One about the things you can and should do right now and one about proffesional help.

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I want you to read this thread carefully again. Read all the advice and notice how many people are going to miss you here. Also read your own posts. Remember first you wanted to get out of the mess, and now you're only talking about you sad plans. Keep up the hope! You'll get out of this soon and will have a great life ahead of you! Remember you're 14! Then shut off the computer! Shut it off and go outside. Only read this thread from time to time. No T.V., no games, just be outside! It's ok if you listen to some music, but take only happy music. Happy music or no music! Then also talk to your parents! Think of how much pain they will suffer when your gone. They love you and would mentally collapse if you died! They cannot live without you and that is the same with your girlfriend. She loves you and deep down you and her want to have a happy life much rather then no life. Remember that carefully, and think of it when you have those pills in your hands. Throw them away! They won't give you what you want, they will only make sure you will never get what you want. The happy life will come, you're only in a period that life sucks. I haven't had it as bad as you but others have and they are now happy and still alive. Just count them and surprise yourself! How many got what they wanted while they were about to end their lives. Meanwhile, don't do anything you don't want. Let people know you don't feel good at the moment and the ones that love you will instantly be worried about you. Talk to them and follow their advice. Also throw away those blades! They are of no use but to physically hurt you when you feel mentally hurt, while you should keep those two things apart.

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I know you have difficulties with going to a shrink, but you should really do so. You must figure out what exactly is making you feel so miserable and make an end to that. Take action! Make an appointment right after you see this and talk to the professional. He will have had many others with bad feelings and can help you get yourself up again. Drugs can help you, but in the end you should feel fine also without them, so don't only do that. As I said, find out what makes you so sad and get rid of it. Pass the good advices in this thread on to your girlfriend and talk about the fact that you two want to have a happy life and that you two should work for it.

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Though I never personally spoke to you I have always admired your posts. You add to the humour on this forum. ~:cheers: I would definitely miss you! Many other would too. Don't leave us!

Well I am not going to read through all the garbage about depression that I have seen written by some of the more immature patrons of the .ORG.

My only advice is that if you are suffering from severe depression absolutely do not listen to any advice you get on the internet, unless that advice is to seek a mental health professional

Now for those who think depression is a made up disease - get real - depression comes from multiple sources - a lot is just situational or environmental depression - a simple change can often help one recover from this depression.

Then there is clinicial depression - which comes from some type of imbalance in the brian - once again if you believe you suffer from this type of depression seek professional help - and don't listen to idiots who have no knowledge on which they speak.

Then there is Bi-polar depression sometimes refered to as Manic - another condition to seek professional help immediately.

I my wife is bi-polar and if you want more information about depression - PM me - but once again I caution you against listen or reading advice from individuals who think the condition is a joke - or non-existant. I thought that way once and it almost cost my wife her life.

MC

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Ai ai ai...i'm on the brink right now. I've been walking about all day chewing my nails considering whether or not i should do it, and just take all the pills. After all, who really would miss me? I asked my girlfriend this question, and apart from herself, she couldn't think of anyone who probably would miss me. I thought about it myself, and i can't think of anyone who would miss me if i was dead. And i just don't see a point to going on living. It just feels so...pointless. Same thing, day in, day out....i feel incredibly insignificant in this big wide world...

Just kill me...

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Do me a favor please - go see a mental health professional - they can help you work through some of those emotions and confusion about things. Every life and every minute of that life is precious. Do not listen to those who berate or degrade you, do not listen to those who place no value upon themselves or yourself. Check yourself into the hospital and ask for help - verus just asking for it on the internet.

I can just repeat what I said in my first post: go and get some help ASAP!

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And i just don't see a point to going on living. It just feels so...pointless. Same thing, day in, day out....i feel incredibly insignificant in this big wide world...

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And I see you being eaten up by depression that can be helped if you seek professional help. You are not alone as lots of people have experienced the same horrible feelings and you can get help.

Depression is like a monster hidden in the shadows draining all your willpower and you dont even notice its there. But you can kill that monster if you seek help.


CBR

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Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar

Ai ai ai...i'm on the brink right now. I've been walking about all day chewing my nails considering whether or not i should do it, and just take all the pills. After all, who really would miss me? I asked my girlfriend this question, and apart from herself, she couldn't think of anyone who probably would miss me. I thought about it myself, and i can't think of anyone who would miss me if i was dead. And i just don't see a point to going on living. It just feels so...pointless. Same thing, day in, day out....i feel incredibly insignificant in this big wide world...

Just kill me...

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We would, the friends you spoke of, family members, clan mates, they would miss you. And think of those that you love. Do you wish to be so completely separated from them? And you can make a difference. May I suggest that you go volunteer at a local hospital, soup kitchen, or nursing home. Then you will know that you are making a difference however small. And please get professional help. They will be able to help you.

I was once like you—chronically depressed (although never suicidal, I tended to break down into tears at the slightest provocation, and generally be miserable). Anti-depressants have changed my life. It took time and money, but they worked. And as someone intimately familiar with the effects of psychoactive substances—someone whose entire immediate family save his sister and much of whose extended family is on medication for depression and related disorders—let me tell you that from your description, there is practically no drug out there that will mess up your life any more than it's messed up now. And if you do find one, you can quite simply drop it—I know, I've dropped probably two dozen-plus medications due to inadequate effect or unwanted side effects.

In the end, it's your choice. I know that from your point of you, there doesn't seem to be much point. But however few, there will be those who will miss you. Just remember that life is not without options: if you don't end it, you can make it better. Psychiatrists will only ever help you (except monetarily, of course ~;)).

-Simetrical

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Well I am not going to read through all the garbage about depression that I have seen written by some of the more immature patrons of the .ORG.

My only advice is that if you are suffering from severe depression absolutely do not listen to any advice you get on the internet, unless that advice is to seek a mental health professional

Now for those who think depression is a made up disease - get real - depression comes from multiple sources - a lot is just situational or environmental depression - a simple change can often help one recover from this depression.

Then there is clinicial depression - which comes from some type of imbalance in the brian - once again if you believe you suffer from this type of depression seek professional help - and don't listen to idiots who have no knowledge on which they speak.

Then there is Bi-polar depression sometimes refered to as Manic - another condition to seek professional help immediately.

I my wife is bi-polar and if you want more information about depression - PM me - but once again I caution you against listen or reading advice from individuals who think the condition is a joke - or non-existant. I thought that way once and it almost cost my wife her life.

MC



Do me a favor please - go see a mental health professional - they can help you work through some of those emotions and confusion about things. Every life and every minute of that life is precious. Do not listen to those who berate or degrade you, do not listen to those who place no value upon themselves or yourself. Check yourself into the hospital and ask for help - verus just asking for it on the internet.

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Yes, i agree with Redleg. :bow: Do NOT put too much faith in advice from the internet. Talk to a professional.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

absolutely do not listen to any advice you get on the internet, unless that advice is to seek a mental health professional

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Does that include this:

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Originally Posted by Redleg

absolutely do not listen to any advice you get on the internet, unless that advice is to seek a mental health professional

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OK, I see a few immature posts in this thread (not to mention any names, there has been talked enough about it already). But please don't critisize all the posts as garbage. MC has told here that he does not want to go to a professional - which we must convince him to do - and therefor asked for advice here. He is quite desperate and if he really does not want to go to a professional he still needs help, and why not get some advice here at the internet?

IMO there's quite some good advice in this thread, MC. Read it carefully and follow whatever you think will work for you. Especially going to a professional, just everyone will admit that's the best thing to do.

Take care, MC. I want to see you again.

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Originally Posted by drisos

Does that include this:



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OK, I see a few immature posts in this thread (not to mention any names, there has been talked enough about it already). But please don't critisize all the posts as garbage. MC has told here that he does not want to go to a professional - which we must convince him to do - and therefor asked for advice here. He is quite desperate and if he really does not want to go to a professional he still needs help, and why not get some advice here at the internet?

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Once again did I say all posts - or just the garbage posted by some immature posters. Yep someone needs to check what is written a little more closely.

But instead of settling it by PM after you sent your first message - it seems you have taken a generalized immature route yourself. Good show.

Its been my experience of the most recent past - that mental health and severe depression is never anything to take lightly.

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IMO there's quite some good advice in this thread, MC. Read it carefully and follow whatever you think will work for you. Especially going to a professional, just everyone will admit that's the best thing to do.

Take care, MC. I want to see you again.

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The soundest advice is going to a mental health professional. Having spent three days watching my wife in intensive care with a machine helping her breath because of her suicide attempt wakes you up to the knowledge that no layman is truely qualified to help those that are severely depressed. Its hard for us who do not have the condition to fathom what you are thinking or why. Sound professional counseling can help you sort through the irrational thoughts and the rational thoughts. Sound Mental health doctors can prescribe medications to help control the chemical imbalances that can cause severe depression. However for adequate treatment it takes both the counselor and the doctor to treat the condition.

That I missed the warning signs of her on set of manic depression is my fault especially when I knew she was bi-polar. Part of the treatment was the whole family getting involved in the recovery process and learning how to recognize the symptoms of the condition and the onset of the manic phase of her bi-polar.

The best course of action is to seek professional help - not take some well meaning advice from individuals on the internet on how to treat yourself for depression, because along with the decent advice you subject yourself to the rantings and stupidity of immature individuals.

I'd just like to second what Redleg said. The only real way to combat depression is through talking with proffesional help. It might not seem like it, but they do help, a hell of a lot, and they know what they're talking about.
Without proffesional help, depression almost always in my experience comes back, no matter how you try and fight it. But with a pyschatrist and any medication they might prescribe you, it can help stop depression and allow you to live a full, happy life.

Ok Redleg. I respect your veiws but please dont call people immature for giving some one there advise and veiws. It's a bit harsh. Thats all.
Tibilicus

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Originally Posted by tibilicus

Ok Redleg. I respect your veiws but please dont call people immature for giving some one there advise and veiws. It's a bit harsh. Thats all.
Tibilicus

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I was harsh because that is exactly what the views expressed by those individuals warranted - such immature statement stated to someone who is in deep depression are not only crude but can be harmful to someone in a deep depressed state. What an individual suffering from depression needs is support not ridicule (SP).

Ok got you Redleg.~:)

By "some of the more immature patrons of the .ORG." You mean me plus BP and afew others, right? :embarassed:

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Originally Posted by mongoose

By "some of the more immature patrons of the .ORG." You mean me plus BP and afew others, right? :embarassed:

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Well lets see - you stated

Talking to a professional or your parents is the best course of action, IMHO

Does that sound like a rant or stupidity directed at an individual who is suffering from depression - or is it a statement of intended well being from an individual who at least can ackownledge that the condition exists and the best course is to seek help.

Let your actions speak for themself. (I don't base maturity or immaturity on age - but behavior.)

Well, i edited my post. Before it was Something along the lines of "Try getting more exercise, that might help"

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Once again did I say all posts.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

absolutely do not listen to any advice you get on the internet, unless ...

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I think that in the second quote you clearly talked about all advice, and so all posts. (except the posts containing the advice to see a prof. But I still think there are other posts with good advice too, and you also critisize those.)

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Originally Posted by Redleg

But instead of settling it by PM after you sent your first message - it seems you have taken a generalized immature route yourself. Good show.

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Thanks for the insult.

In my PM I asked you to edit this out:

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Originally Posted by Redleg

absolutely do not listen to any advice you get on the internet, unless that advice is to seek a mental health professional

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But you didn't. But I still think MC should not follow this advice of you. So I wanted him to see not everyone agrees with that and that's why I posted here.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Its been my experience of the most recent past - that mental health and severe depression is never anything to take lightly.

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Do I take things lightly? ~:confused: I don't understand. Was this meant to me? ~:confused: I am highly shocked by what MC has said here.

I think we should leave this thread to constructive comments, rather than get side-tracked into arguing with each other. If MC comes back to this thread, finding it has spun off into antagonistic back and forth is not going to do much to raise his spirits. If people want to continue argue about it, I suggest they take it to PMs or take any complaints to the relevant mod (BKS).

Aint that the truth!

I'm afraid BKS isn't around for a day or two so all you have is me for the moment.

Let us then end all bickering and concentrate on letting MC know that he's part of the team here and we all are interested in his well being. Advice may vary, but I think we all agree that we want MC not to feel alone and to know he can talk this situation out with someone.

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Originally Posted by Beirut

Let us then end all bickering and concentrate on letting MC know that he's part of the team here and we all are interested in his well being. Advice may vary, but I think we all agree that we want MC not to feel alone and to know he can talk this situation out with someone.

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I do agree. But that's about what I was telling Redleg. I think his first post here contained something that MC rather should not see. I PM'ed him but he didn't agree and is not going to edit his post. That's why I wanted to post here, to let MC know not all people think about it here.

However, MC would've noticed that after my first post so the second one was not necessary. I do apologize for getting off topic. If I have anything further to say to Redleg I'll do via PM, as MC now knows my opinion.

I'd like Redleg to read my last post here, but if you insist I'll edit it.

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has sumone seen him online?

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Originally Posted by Emperor Umeu 1

has sumone seen him online?

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Yes:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=50374