Religious Discussion

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Originally Posted by Quietus

Zain and I were playing Chess. I opened with the Leprechaun's Gambit.

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The leprechaun gambit does not prove nor does it disprove anything the same logical fallacy exists.

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You jump from the bushes, charged and tackled me to the ground. Once you got up, you find your head in an unbreakable armlock. You then flail your limbs and complain you are a bystander :inquisitive:.

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Nice try - but no cigar. Your armlock was not an armlock but just an attempt to grap. Th

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If you stayed behind the bushes, Zain would have had his question answered through the Leprechaun Test with no fuss or anything. :)

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Still continuing with the same logical fallacy I see. One can not prove nor disprove anything by lack of evidence.

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Originally Posted by Quietus

You're just repeating your arguments again. Show me where the break in here:

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Maybe that is because you continue to use the same arguement.

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No proof > no definition > no claim

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An idea requires no proof to develop an idea. A definition of something does not require the existance of the subject to be established..

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'Exists' was an equivocation in your part as I've explained many times. Two different meanings. Just because a diamond does not exist in my pocket doesn't mean diamonds do no exist (see, two meanings = equivocation). Diamonds exist; life exists as well.

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Your arguement is not consistent. Using the logic you have just used here - I can safely state. Human beings exist = God exists.

One can not prove nor disprove the existance or nonexistance of one thing based upon the existanc or non existance of another.

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Whether life exists outside of earth is a probability question. But life exists itself. Is God a probability question? No

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The inconsistent application of logic continues.

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Show me in full sentence. Where?

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In the inconsistent application of logic standards.

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Hammering on a piano and seeing color(s) is not hearing.

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It is not your preception of hearing - but it is the deaf's individuals preception of hearing. He is translating the sound waves - just like your ears translates the sound waves for your brain.

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Blind people cannot define color without proof. How many blind people define the sky is blue out of their own 'knowledge' without any proof?

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You have now defeated your own arguement. One can not prove anything without evidence of existance. So you can not prove intelligent life outside of the Earth.

This is where your inconsistent application of logic defeats your postion.

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Soundwaves are NOT equal to sounds. The guy tickles a piano key and he sees color not hear sounds.

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Soundwaves are what the brain interpats into sound. What you precieve to hear as sound - does not mean what the deaf person cannot have a different method to precieve sound.

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Is there a Leprechaun between the Computer screen and your face?

Simple yes or no.

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The application of your test does absolutely nothing. The existance or non-existance of God can not be proven by the lack of evidence of his existance.
You won't answer it because all you have is No Proof of Leprechauns! :embarassed: Therefore you're suppressing your thoughts.[/QUOTE]

“Using the logic you have just used here - I can safely state. Human beings exist = God exists” Is it a syllogism? Is it kind of “the whale is white, my mother is white, my mother is a whale” thing?:dizzy2:

“One can not prove nor disprove anything by lack of evidence” Ask Saddam about it…:laugh4:

God is question of faith. You believe or not and same things with fairies, Father Christmas, reincarnation, Voodoo and others beliefs and “superstitions”. You can’t use logic with believers or non-believers.:sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Brenus

“Using the logic you have just used here - I can safely state. Human beings exist = God exists” Is it a syllogism? Is it kind of “the whale is white, my mother is white, my mother is a whale” thing?:dizzy2:

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I see you get the point.

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“One can not prove nor disprove anything by lack of evidence” Ask Saddam about it…:laugh4:

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Again proves my point.

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God is question of faith. You believe or not and same things with fairies, Father Christmas, reincarnation, Voodoo and others beliefs and “superstitions”. You can’t use logic with believers or non-believers.:sweatdrop:

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correct - that is why the application of inconsistent logic doesn't work either.

“see you get the point.” You’re welcome, on this subject I agree with your points…

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Originally Posted by Brenus

“see you get the point.” You’re welcome, on this subject I agree with your points…

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The subject of religion to me is a personal thing - it is my belief that is important to me. If you ask me about my belief I will inform and even help someone understand why my belief is important to me. The attempt to force religion onto others is not in keeping with my understanding of Jesus's message, that is a function of the organized churches not of religion as a philosophy or taught.

To many modern people focus on the issues of the past concerning religion without evaluating what they believe, they focus on the issues of the church not of the religion. It is why relgionous dicussions always for the most part contain idiocy from both the believer and the non-believer.

Then we have individuals that argue from the standpoint that the lack of evidence of existance is proof of non-existance - that is considered a logical fallacy by most philisophical writers that I have studied.